We Exist: Beyond the Binary
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What if the world told you that you don't exist? For many gender non-conforming individuals, this is the reality. WE EXIST: Beyond the Binary is one of the first films to document this growing community living life “beyond the binary” construct of gender, offering a first-hand account of what it is like to exist as other than strictly male or female. Designed with education in mind, WE EXIST features non-binary individuals, activists, and doctors who all weigh in on subjects ranging from gender binary/social constructs, pronouns, access, and safety. It also tells the riveting and deeply personal story of Lauren Lubin: a person in their mid-twenties who identifies as gender neutral. Lauren shares the emotional, physical, and mental changes and obstacles they face in order to be their authentic self. From abandoning a promising basketball career to a near-death experience in the depths of the rainforest, to top surgery, Lauren’s journey is one of transformation. While their story is unique, it also echoes the stories of so many other non-binary people around the world. Featuring non-binary activists Tyler Ford, and Kristen Russo, as well as Dr. Anthony Vivasis, the Clinical Director of Medical Services at Callen Lorde Community Health Center and Dr. Charles Garramone, Board Certified Plastic & Reconstructive Surgeon at The Garramone Center.
Educational Media Reviews Online (EMRO) | Reviewed by Lara Herzellah, Student Success & Engagement Librarian, NC State University Libraries
"This film is highly educational, with discussions occurring outside of Lauren's story, from activists and doctors who spend time explaining terminology and the differences between sex and gender. [...] All in all, this is an important and timely piece. The most powerful part for me was the roll call at the end of the film of non-binary individuals from across the world. I would recommend this film for any academic library or any class exploring the complexities of sex and gender."
Nylon | Sandra Song
"So what’s the first step in spreading nonbinary awareness? Get this film and other pertinent educational resources in front of as many people as possible."
Autostraddle
"Covering a lot of ground in a short amount of time, We Exist highlights the differences between sex and gender, explains how gender identity and gender expression overlap but don’t necessarily mean the same thing, and examines the need for community as one explores both/or spaces within "the big cloud of identity.'"
Pride | Latonya Pennington
"The discussions that occur between Tyler Ford, Kristen Russo, Dr. Charles Garramone, and Dr. Anthony Vavasis are educational. They serve to not only clear up misconceptions of gender identity, but also to show how much work there needs to be done for non-binary people. Their statements are clear enough that a person trying to do research on non-binary identity or trying to figure out their gender identity could use this film as a resource."
Advocate | Allison Tate
"Nonbinary identities are rarely made available to people growing up, and are only discovered after adolescence. We Exist is a documentary that fights to change this lack of awareness by elevating nonbinary voices."
KitschMix
"The documentary is an intimate work that reaches up to the most personal issues that a gender-non-conforming trans person might face and can function as a crucial point of reference, relation and inclusion for non-binary people from all over the world."
Citation
Main credits
Ford, Tyler (on-screen participant)
Russo, Kristin (on-screen participant)
Garramone, Charles (on-screen participant)
Lubin, Philip (on-screen participant)
Vavasis, Anthony P. (on-screen participant)
Lubin, Lauren (screenwriter)
Lubin, Lauren (film producer)
Lubin, Lauren (on-screen participant)
Lubin, Lauren (narrator)
Seger, Andrew (film director)
Other credits
Cinematography, Alex F. Ghassan, Tommy Corpolongo; editor, Andrew Seger.
Distributor subjects
Gender and Sexuality Studies; Sociology; LGBTQ+ Studies; Sociology of SportKeywords
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Is this the photographer?
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- [Mother] That\'s the girl
who took all those movies
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just a minute ago.
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See her?
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Bye.
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(calm music)
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(clapping)
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(squeals)
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Okay, Lauren, stop and
talk with us a minute.
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What\'s Kari\'s middle name?
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She looks just like her Nana.
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This is fun.
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- Doesn\'t she look beautiful?
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- [Mother] She looks beautiful.
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- This is me.
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My name is Lauren.
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I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago
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and had a happy, relatively
normal childhood.
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Family life was as good as anyone\'s.
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We were a tight-knit unit who
looked out for one another.
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Friends felt like relatives and
relatives felt like friends.
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As the oldest of three,
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I absolutely adored my younger brothers
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from the moment that they were born.
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And from a young age, I made it a goal
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to set a good example
for the both of them.
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My best friend growing up was named Lisa.
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She lived right down the block
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and we\'d always tell people
that we were related.
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We were inseparable.
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Looking back, I made a
lot of friends back then
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who would stay with me
throughout everything
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that would eventually unfold in my life
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and I\'ve been incredibly lucky.
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It didn\'t take me long
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until I discovered my passion for sports.
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It was like they were in my DNA.
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I played as many as I could growing up.
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Soccer, tennis, skiing, even gymnastics.
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My parents saw my abilities
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and introduced me to every
sport that they could find.
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But one of them stood out.
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One of them I had a raw talent for
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and it became my first love.
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Basketball.
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Playing ball was different
than playing any other sport.
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There was something greater.
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Something natural about it.
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By the age of seven,
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I proudly had established
an undeniable identity.
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I was a baller.
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I grew up knowing that my
father was a big time athlete
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within the Chicago area.
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I felt like I was following
in my father\'s footsteps
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so it was something that we all did.
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It was something we all shared.
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It was something that we
all could identify with.
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- I do think that that was something
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that kept us all very close.
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Our upbringing was really good
and I think very traditional.
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- Basketball was the fulcrum
of our entire family.
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It was a way to commune at
the dinner table after a game
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and talk about the highlights
or ways you can improve
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or whatever it may be, it
just brought us together.
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Basketball became my life and
it meant everything to me.
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I never played to win.
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I played because I had to.
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Because I yearned to.
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I looked forward to every
game, every practice,
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every opportunity I had to
just lace up my sneakers
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and step out onto the court.
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When I played, I came to life.
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- [Announcer] 81% free-throw shooter.
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Both teams shooting.
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Three try by Lubin is good.
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Lubin on the penetration.
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The left-handed floater is good.
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There\'s a sophomore
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who\'s trying to take over
the game for New Trier
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- As a child, I couldn\'t
foresee the impact
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basketball would later have in my life,
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nor how greatly it would define who I was.
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- [Male Announcer] Lubin inside...
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(clapping)
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Six points the other night for Lauren
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against Cal State Fullerton,
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and she knocks down the first free throw.
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- [Announcer] How do you like this?
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Lubin has never missed a free
throw in her entire career.
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- [Announcer 2] I was holding my breath,
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I was holding my breath on that,
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because you know how it works.
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- [Announcer] The jinx, the
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- [Lauren] Quickly, I
discovered that everything
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wasn\'t all fun and games.
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- I think that high school
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was probably Lauren\'s
most comfortable years
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because Lauren thrived
athletically so much.
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It was very normal to be in
like just jeans and sweatpants.
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- I was so heavily dependent
upon my presentation
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and how I wanted to
express myself to the world
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through my clothes.
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That was my lifeline.
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That was my only means of communicating,
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so from the youngest of age,
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I knew how I wanted to dress,
I was so specific about it
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because that was me trying so
hard to communicate who I was,
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particularly when people said I was this
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and that really wasn\'t who I was.
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- Lauren was a total tomboy.
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It was like, oh, that\'s just, you know,
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Lauren\'s not a cheerleader,
Lauren plays basketball.
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And when I think back to
Lauren\'s high school days,
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there was no one more social,
no one with more friends.
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And whether that was a
mask or not, I don\'t know,
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I don\'t think so.
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- I knew that I was different
but I also felt valued
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because of perhaps my athletic ability,
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that sense of value within
my peer group was there.
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I saw that as something that
could be much more transcendent
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as an identity for me than,
you know, a gender identity
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that didn\'t work for me.
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(upbeat music)
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- [Announcer] Fashions
by, international design.
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- As I grew up, I felt
a growing disconnect
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between how I felt inside
and how people saw me,
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how people treated me, and
how I existed in this world.
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By high school, my body matured in ways
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which were so foreign to my sense of self
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that it felt as if I was
a stranger in my own home.
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I felt deceived by my own body
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but I couldn\'t understand
what was happening.
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You know, I felt like
\"What am I doing up here?\"
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Holidays were the worst for me.
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I grew up in a predominantly
Jewish neighborhood.
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We went to a lot of bar and bat mitzvahs.
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I never identified with my
breasts from the youngest of age.
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When I did develop breasts,
it was just traumatic.
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And something that I
always felt I had to live
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with that trauma, always.
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I never knew that I
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could like actually do anything about it.
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I thought that every girl felt this way,
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like they were traumatized
by their breasts.
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Until I realized that that\'s not the case.
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I began each day with a ritual
that really said it all.
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A morning ritual that involved
me taking off my shirt,
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looking into the mirror,
and covering my chest.
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For those few moments each
morning, I was at peace.
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For those few moments, I
imagined what it would be like
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if my outward body matched
how I felt on the inside.
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I did this every morning for years
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before I made the connection.
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I realized that how I was
taught to view the world
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was incomplete.
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I realized that I didn\'t
identify as female
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and I certainly didn\'t identify as a male.
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I remember thinking \"How
is this even possible?\"
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- Figuring out my gender identity
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has been a lifelong process.
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I can even remember the first time
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that I started questioning
it because I was so young.
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My name is Tyler Ford
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and I\'m a 25 year old
agender writer and speaker.
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It took me a long time to put together
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that I was like feeling
dysphoric about my gender
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and my gender identity.
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I would, like, Google at
night like when I got home
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from school, like what is
this, what are these feelings?
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Like am I gay?
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And then I eventually
settled on that label
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even though that didn\'t fit me either.
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But eventually I did
settle on the term agender.
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And my pronouns, which
are they, them, and their.
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- I think that young people
more than ever before
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are aware of the fact
that gender is something
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that is constructed.
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I also think that
they\'re aware of the fact
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that trying to fit humans
into two categories
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is kind of ridiculous.
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That\'s the conversation I\'m
hearing all over the place.
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- I for sure only ever felt
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that there were two options for me.
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Well, of course to begin with,
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I only thought that there
was one option for me
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because I was assigned female at birth.
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That never, ever resonated with me.
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But I tried.
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I tried really hard.
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- The deeper you get into this work,
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everybody\'s gender non-conforming, right?
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It isn\'t one thing ever.
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- Very early in high school,
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I recognized, okay,
definitely experiencing things
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with my gender.
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But again, no room for that.
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No one was talking about it
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and no one even came out
in my school as anything.
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Those feelings scared me so much
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because I was already warned.
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I was playing, you know,
far advanced for my age
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and on kind of a fast track,
like definitely college bound.
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You know, everyone warned me
about the homophobia in college
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and all of these coaches
that won\'t recruit you.
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Or watch out for certain coaches.
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The moment I felt
anything, I was like nope.
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Because this was my dream
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and I loved it.
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And I think because from such
a early, early, early age
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I saw this really as the one identity
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that I really could fully be.
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And all these other identities,
I felt stopped at every turn
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where I saw this as my
only path a lot of times.
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I felt like I compromised myself
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rather than the sport that I loved.
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In college, the pressure to
fit in was greater than ever.
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I was now a public figure
and an ambassador of sorts.
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I represented a school
and a sport and a gender.
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To the public, I was a
woman\'s basketball player.
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A female first and a baller second.
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People expected me to act
and dress a certain way.
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And even though it was unnatural to me,
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I desperately tried to fit in.
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I joined a sorority, I wore
dresses, put on makeup,
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and wore heels that I could not walk in.
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It was awkward.
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And I felt trapped.
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I grew up in Chicago
during the Jordan era.
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My whole life was basketball.
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My mind actually never wandered
to any other possibility.
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I was living my dream and dying inside.
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And it really was either basketball
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which you\'ve done your whole life
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and look at this path ahead of you or
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this is your life.
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Everywhere I looked, things
were either pink or blue.
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Bathrooms, changing rooms, clothing.
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Everything was neatly
divided into male or female.
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And I had been trapped in
this since the day I was born.
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- I totally did not have any
language to describe myself.
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I didn\'t even know that there
were more than two genders,
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which like really would
have helped growing up,
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would have helped me feel much less alone
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and much less broken or like, you know,
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like something was wrong with me.
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- When you see the impact
of an entire institution
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saying \"Hey, you don\'t exist,
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\"therefore I have nothing I can do for you
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\"because you\'re not real.
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\"I mean, I\'m gonna either
cure you, I\'m gonna shame you,
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\"I\'m just gonna create no space for you.\"
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What bigger harm could you create?
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- I met Lauren when I was
27 in culinary school.
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I had just left my last startup.
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We were both very much at
transitional points in our lives,
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pursuing new passions.
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We instantly connected.
00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:44.629
I actually sat beside Lauren
on the first day of school.
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- I immediately just
hit it off with Kevin.
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I don\'t know, there was
just something about him
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where it was like I never
wanted to not be with him.
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We just became best friends.
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That was undeniable from
probably the first day
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we met each other.
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- At the beginning of our relationship,
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I very much just viewed Lauren
as one of my best friends
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who I deeply loved.
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The relationship definitely
blossomed as time went on
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and as we experienced
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and went through some
difficult life events together.
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During this time, I was
also building a tree house
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in Costa Rica in the
middle of the rainforest.
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And we always dreamed and
talked about how cool it\'d be
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to one day live there together.
00:15:30.220 --> 00:15:32.938
- Kevin called me, he was
in Montreal at the time,
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and he was like \"I\'m heading
down to the rainforest.\"
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- We were talking one day
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and decided now would be a
good time, let\'s make the move.
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Let\'s go to the tree house.
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- I didn\'t have to think twice.
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I mean, I picked up and just...
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You know, left.
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(calm music)
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I remember thinking at the time
00:16:10.730 --> 00:16:12.269
that this was either the best
00:16:12.270 --> 00:16:14.930
or the craziest decision of my life.
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I had initially planned to
go down for a short visit.
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That short visit turned into two years.
00:16:27.466 --> 00:16:29.509
- I mean, life in the jungle was crazy.
00:16:29.510 --> 00:16:31.020
It was such an adventure.
00:16:34.540 --> 00:16:35.829
- What I was going down there to do
00:16:35.830 --> 00:16:39.699
was really get this new
food service off the ground.
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But I definitely intended to go
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for a much shorter amount
of time than I went for.
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I mean, I just for the
first time felt myself free.
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- [Kevin] Any sense of
who you thought you were
00:16:54.260 --> 00:16:56.699
was constantly being redefined.
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For the most part, we
left the world behind us.
00:17:03.460 --> 00:17:05.199
- During the high season,
00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:07.789
I did vegan, sustainable, local catering
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to all the tree houses.
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During the rainy season,
it was much more lax.
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For someone who from such a young age had
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just a very strong sense of
like internal self knowing,
00:17:19.770 --> 00:17:23.009
this was definitely a time
I was not so sure of myself.
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This was where I actually
started the process
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of going within myself
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and having absolutely
no outside influences,
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particularly societal influences.
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I felt myself just like
evolving beyond even my own...
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I couldn\'t even keep up with myself.
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Once I was disconnected
from the society I knew,
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only then was I able to
truly look within myself.
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I had no other choice.
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Immediately, the layers of
myself began to strip away.
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For the first time, I
felt a sense of freedom
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and full of curiosity.
00:18:05.520 --> 00:18:07.059
- I think one of the biggest problems
00:18:07.060 --> 00:18:09.139
that a lot of human beings have is
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that we think that the things
we are taught are the truth.
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When you tell somebody
something as simple as the fact
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that only 50, 60 years ago
when a little boy was born,
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the color was pink
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and when a little girl was
born, the color was blue,
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just that simple fact
does something to shatter
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what we often think is true,
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which is that oh, it was always this way.
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Girls love pink and boys love blue
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and those are the two ways
of being, that\'s a fact.
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That\'s not a fact,
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that\'s something that
we created as a society.
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It\'s not even a global
truth right now, currently.
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- If you picture a graph
with an X and a Y axis
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and then you draw a Z axis,
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so like a three dimensional graph
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and you put gender
identity, expression, sex,
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and sexual orientation,
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the way we have always
thought about these things
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is that you\'re either right
at the axis of the three
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which would be straight, male, masculine
00:19:07.060 --> 00:19:10.999
or straight, female, and feminine.
00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:13.609
And the probability that everybody fits
00:19:13.610 --> 00:19:18.349
into these two points on
this wide open graph is zero.
00:19:18.350 --> 00:19:19.183
Right?
00:19:19.184 --> 00:19:20.769
And then as you start to break it down
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and particularly start to work with people
00:19:22.710 --> 00:19:25.059
who are trying to figure out who they are,
00:19:25.060 --> 00:19:27.089
you begin to see that it\'s not a line.
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It\'s just a big cloud of identity
00:19:29.500 --> 00:19:31.169
and none of these things correlate.
00:19:31.170 --> 00:19:32.449
And why would they?
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You know, when you think
about what would be
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the natural distribution of these things,
00:19:36.270 --> 00:19:39.229
they wouldn\'t all be exactly
in the very same place.
00:19:39.230 --> 00:19:41.259
But the bigger history of our society
00:19:41.260 --> 00:19:44.089
is those things are very,
very tightly aligned.
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But the more you begin to
delve, you see how untrue
00:19:47.871 --> 00:19:50.819
Not only untrue, but
impossible it would be
00:19:50.820 --> 00:19:54.009
that everybody would be
that closely identified
00:19:54.010 --> 00:19:56.910
and that those different
identities would be so connected.
00:20:01.270 --> 00:20:03.339
- Most honestly, what
drew me to the jungle
00:20:03.340 --> 00:20:06.099
aside from all of the
things I was, like, doing
00:20:06.100 --> 00:20:10.049
was this opportunity to actually
be and explore my being.
00:20:10.050 --> 00:20:12.269
They were very much baby steps.
00:20:12.270 --> 00:20:16.169
I think I took a gigantic step and leap
00:20:16.170 --> 00:20:18.859
when I had the drowning incident
00:20:18.860 --> 00:20:23.860
and that was perhaps the moment
00:20:24.020 --> 00:20:26.500
where things became really real.
00:20:27.700 --> 00:20:30.669
One weekend, Kevin and I went to the beach
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and decided to go for a midnight swim.
00:20:33.770 --> 00:20:35.139
I was like \"Let\'s go skinny dipping\"
00:20:35.140 --> 00:20:36.429
in the middle of the night.
00:20:36.430 --> 00:20:38.739
- We started walking into the ocean.
00:20:38.740 --> 00:20:41.659
- [Lauren] And the wave pulled us out.
00:20:41.660 --> 00:20:44.599
- Before we knew it, we
realized that our feet
00:20:44.600 --> 00:20:46.639
weren\'t touching the sand anymore
00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:49.809
and that we were actually
so far out in the water
00:20:49.810 --> 00:20:52.580
that we couldn\'t even get back easily.
00:20:53.860 --> 00:20:55.689
- [Lauren] We were essentially
caught in the middle
00:20:55.690 --> 00:20:58.389
of a riptide and we got separated.
00:20:58.390 --> 00:20:59.759
I got pulled way out.
00:20:59.760 --> 00:21:02.869
- [Kevin] That night,
when we began to swim,
00:21:02.870 --> 00:21:04.809
we thought it was going
to just be 10 minutes.
00:21:04.810 --> 00:21:07.559
That turned into at least
two hours of fighting
00:21:07.560 --> 00:21:09.339
for our lives, trying to stay above water.
00:21:09.340 --> 00:21:10.409
We couldn\'t see anything.
00:21:10.410 --> 00:21:13.289
It was way after midnight,
it was pitch dark.
00:21:13.290 --> 00:21:17.069
The only light in the sky
was a red blinking light
00:21:17.070 --> 00:21:19.199
from a cell phone tower in the distance.
00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:23.049
And I know that both Lauren
and I used that as a beacon
00:21:23.050 --> 00:21:24.210
to get back to land.
00:21:28.540 --> 00:21:30.739
- [Lauren] I just remember
at that moment recognizing
00:21:30.740 --> 00:21:35.599
that we were both in a very,
very, very bad situation.
00:21:35.600 --> 00:21:37.399
- I had actually made it back to the shore
00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:38.879
and I looked back and I saw
00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:41.749
that Lauren was way out
into the ocean, screaming.
00:21:41.750 --> 00:21:44.769
You could tell that Lauren was taking
00:21:44.770 --> 00:21:46.679
some of their last breaths.
00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:49.149
- I went through all
five stages of drowning.
00:21:49.150 --> 00:21:50.499
I got to the point in the riptide
00:21:50.500 --> 00:21:51.829
that I call the washing machine,
00:21:51.830 --> 00:21:53.280
that you just start tumbling.
00:21:54.330 --> 00:21:56.019
And I didn\'t even know
what was up or down anymore
00:21:56.020 --> 00:21:59.389
and there was very little access to air.
00:21:59.390 --> 00:22:04.239
And I vividly remember saying to myself
00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:05.840
\"This may be your last breath.\"
00:22:06.780 --> 00:22:08.139
It was in that moment where I felt
00:22:08.140 --> 00:22:11.319
as other points in my life,
when I didn\'t have a choice,
00:22:11.320 --> 00:22:13.538
I felt like I didn\'t have a choice.
00:22:13.539 --> 00:22:15.663
I must accept my death right now.
00:22:16.804 --> 00:22:18.403
The only thing left
00:22:18.404 --> 00:22:20.699
out of everything that I\'ve lived and did
00:22:20.700 --> 00:22:25.369
was I felt such a deep regret
00:22:25.370 --> 00:22:29.139
because I finally saw my
life for the first time.
00:22:29.140 --> 00:22:32.539
Like, I saw it and I wanted to live it.
00:22:32.540 --> 00:22:35.979
Like I just wanted to live
in that moment so badly
00:22:35.980 --> 00:22:38.149
because I think it was the first time
00:22:38.150 --> 00:22:41.041
I actually recognized what I had
00:22:41.042 --> 00:22:45.489
and that I was this whole
time existing and being.
00:22:45.490 --> 00:22:49.459
Despite all these things
that were saying no
00:22:49.460 --> 00:22:52.559
or feeling like I couldn\'t, I always was.
00:22:52.560 --> 00:22:54.859
And I was on my final breath
00:22:54.860 --> 00:22:57.709
and that, of all the things,
00:22:57.710 --> 00:23:00.289
was probably the most
heartbreaking of all.
00:23:00.290 --> 00:23:01.319
I felt like I failed.
00:23:01.320 --> 00:23:04.149
I succeeded in everything
that I\'ve done in my life
00:23:04.150 --> 00:23:06.889
and I absolutely failed myself.
00:23:06.890 --> 00:23:09.827
[Singing] Swimming, swimming,
in the swimming pool.
00:23:09.828 --> 00:23:12.939
When days are hot and days are
cold, in the swimming pool.
00:23:12.940 --> 00:23:15.890
Breast stroke, side stroke...
00:23:19.068 --> 00:23:21.818
(dramatic music)
00:23:39.070 --> 00:23:41.079
Just having my breath again,
00:23:41.080 --> 00:23:43.859
I recognized that I felt
like I was on borrowed time
00:23:43.860 --> 00:23:47.009
and there was nothing that
I could do moving forward
00:23:47.010 --> 00:23:51.839
if it wasn\'t to be truthful and authentic.
00:23:51.840 --> 00:23:53.810
I just couldn\'t even take another step
00:23:54.670 --> 00:23:57.319
unless it was a step that was in alignment
00:23:57.320 --> 00:23:58.930
with my heart and myself.
00:24:00.840 --> 00:24:04.179
I just, I couldn\'t shake
that regret and that feeling
00:24:04.180 --> 00:24:06.559
and that knowing and it
lives with me to this day.
00:24:06.560 --> 00:24:08.250
I feel it every day.
00:24:10.740 --> 00:24:12.779
- If you were assigned female at birth.
00:24:12.780 --> 00:24:14.729
- You should identify as a woman.
00:24:14.730 --> 00:24:16.849
- Express yourself in a feminine manner.
00:24:16.850 --> 00:24:18.150
- And be attracted to men.
00:24:20.340 --> 00:24:23.729
- There are many ways that
a person can identify,
00:24:23.730 --> 00:24:26.029
so it makes sense that
confusion around these topics
00:24:26.030 --> 00:24:28.779
still persists because we don\'t
have a full understanding.
00:24:28.780 --> 00:24:31.073
But it\'s time to learn the facts.
00:24:31.074 --> 00:24:33.694
- [Doctor] Sex is not gender.
00:24:33.695 --> 00:24:38.695
And sex refers specifically to your body
00:24:39.120 --> 00:24:42.629
and it doesn\'t refer to any preferences
00:24:42.630 --> 00:24:46.149
in terms of connections
with other people physically
00:24:46.150 --> 00:24:50.699
nor does it refer to how
you manifest in the world
00:24:50.700 --> 00:24:52.839
or what you feel on the inside
00:24:52.840 --> 00:24:54.959
in terms of your own identity.
00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:56.349
- Gender is separate from sex
00:24:56.350 --> 00:24:59.019
and is broken down into two aspects:
00:24:59.020 --> 00:25:01.439
gender identity and gender expression.
00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:02.519
Gender identity relates
00:25:02.520 --> 00:25:04.539
to how a person defines who they are.
00:25:04.540 --> 00:25:06.479
Examples of gender identities are:
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:07.313
- Man.
00:25:07.313 --> 00:25:08.203
- Woman.
00:25:08.203 --> 00:25:09.036
- Agender.
00:25:09.036 --> 00:25:09.869
- Bigender.
00:25:09.869 --> 00:25:10.702
- Genderless.
00:25:10.702 --> 00:25:11.537
- Genderqueer.
00:25:11.537 --> 00:25:12.430
- Gender neutral.
00:25:12.431 --> 00:25:13.459
- Trans man.
00:25:13.460 --> 00:25:14.460
- Trans woman.
00:25:16.450 --> 00:25:19.029
- And that\'s not a complete
and exhaustive list.
00:25:19.030 --> 00:25:20.159
Gender expression is
00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:22.509
how one expresses their gender identity.
00:25:22.510 --> 00:25:24.699
- And that is complicated.
00:25:24.700 --> 00:25:27.119
Part of it is about how you want to look
00:25:27.120 --> 00:25:28.179
and present to the world,
00:25:28.180 --> 00:25:30.529
but for many people it\'s about safety.
00:25:30.530 --> 00:25:34.429
And so your gender
expression could be different
00:25:34.430 --> 00:25:36.219
from your gender identity.
00:25:36.220 --> 00:25:38.459
- People show their gender expression
00:25:38.460 --> 00:25:41.519
through their clothing,
through their hairstyles,
00:25:41.520 --> 00:25:43.349
through makeup.
00:25:43.350 --> 00:25:45.589
- And that may have nothing
to do with how you feel
00:25:45.590 --> 00:25:47.089
about yourself, it has much more to do
00:25:47.090 --> 00:25:49.119
with your perceived safety in the world.
00:25:49.120 --> 00:25:51.209
- [Tyler] Sexual orientation defines
00:25:51.210 --> 00:25:53.669
who a person is attracted to.
00:25:53.670 --> 00:25:55.919
- It could mean anything.
00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:56.830
- Heterosexual.
00:25:56.831 --> 00:25:57.999
- Homosexual.
00:25:58.000 --> 00:25:59.105
- Bisexual.
00:25:59.106 --> 00:26:00.129
- Pansexual.
00:26:00.130 --> 00:26:01.167
- Asexual.
00:26:01.168 --> 00:26:02.009
- Polysexual.
00:26:02.034 --> 00:26:07.030
- The historical sort of gay
or straight or bi divisions
00:26:08.070 --> 00:26:11.388
may not necessarily apply depending on
00:26:12.050 --> 00:26:16.499
not only how you identify but
to whom you are attracted.
00:26:16.500 --> 00:26:21.309
So that can also be varied
beyond those three descriptors
00:26:21.310 --> 00:26:23.639
in that you could be attracted to people
00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:27.539
who don\'t fit into the gender
binary or even the sex binary
00:26:27.540 --> 00:26:30.789
and as such, then it\'s harder to define.
00:26:30.790 --> 00:26:34.209
So like the other two, I
would say sexual identity
00:26:34.210 --> 00:26:36.560
or orientation is this continuum also.
00:26:37.802 --> 00:26:39.527
- [Director] There it is!
00:26:39.528 --> 00:26:40.361
We got it.
00:26:40.362 --> 00:26:43.889
(laughs and applauds)
00:26:43.890 --> 00:26:46.069
- I remember at the time,
00:26:46.070 --> 00:26:47.669
when I was first expressing to Kevin,
00:26:47.670 --> 00:26:49.339
saying I just feel neutral.
00:26:49.340 --> 00:26:51.669
I don\'t feel male, I don\'t feel female.
00:26:51.670 --> 00:26:54.499
I just feel like neutral,
like gender neutral.
00:26:54.500 --> 00:26:56.299
I don\'t care if I\'m the
only one in the world
00:26:56.300 --> 00:26:57.639
who identified this way.
00:26:57.640 --> 00:27:00.379
This is the most authentic
I can express myself to you.
00:27:00.380 --> 00:27:02.849
I think when I saw for the first time
00:27:02.850 --> 00:27:06.189
that there was something else out there
00:27:06.190 --> 00:27:09.339
that could reflect my self back to me,
00:27:09.340 --> 00:27:12.429
it allowed me to really move forward.
00:27:12.430 --> 00:27:15.099
When I came out, it really
just took a ton of research.
00:27:15.100 --> 00:27:17.799
I\'m talking like I researched
months and months and months
00:27:17.800 --> 00:27:20.489
in advance before I really told people
00:27:20.490 --> 00:27:21.450
and was ready to come out,
00:27:21.451 --> 00:27:22.849
because I knew it was something
00:27:22.850 --> 00:27:26.129
that was so, at the time, different.
00:27:26.130 --> 00:27:28.249
I feel like I put together
like a spreadsheet
00:27:28.250 --> 00:27:29.539
and like a PowerPoint for people
00:27:29.540 --> 00:27:31.659
and that\'s really what I
had to do when I came out
00:27:31.660 --> 00:27:34.189
because you\'ll never forget
the looks on people\'s faces.
00:27:34.190 --> 00:27:35.609
I identify as gender neutral
00:27:35.610 --> 00:27:37.949
and nobody knew that there could be gender
00:27:37.950 --> 00:27:41.539
outside of cisgender male or female.
00:27:41.540 --> 00:27:43.289
It\'s just this dumbstruck look
00:27:43.290 --> 00:27:47.139
and almost this look of
they don\'t believe you.
00:27:47.140 --> 00:27:48.449
- It was a little scary for me.
00:27:48.450 --> 00:27:50.459
Once I was able to digest it,
00:27:50.460 --> 00:27:53.809
I think it was hard not to think about it
00:27:53.810 --> 00:27:56.668
in terms of \"What does this mean for me?\"
00:27:56.669 --> 00:27:59.339
and internalize it and
maybe be selfish with it.
00:27:59.340 --> 00:28:01.809
- Frightening is probably
the best word for it.
00:28:01.810 --> 00:28:06.810
Because there was so much room
00:28:07.310 --> 00:28:10.949
for such negative things to happen.
00:28:10.950 --> 00:28:15.709
And these are the people
that you love the most.
00:28:15.710 --> 00:28:17.489
- There is a lack of understanding,
00:28:17.490 --> 00:28:19.399
there is a lack of awareness
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:21.187
for myself and I think the family
00:28:21.188 --> 00:28:23.009
just because I didn\'t know how to take it
00:28:23.010 --> 00:28:26.569
because I didn\'t understand it.
00:28:26.570 --> 00:28:30.159
- Everyone\'s reactions were fairly similar
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.086
of \"Okay, we support you, we
don\'t really understand this.\"
00:28:33.087 --> 00:28:34.600
And I think a lot of it was
00:28:36.120 --> 00:28:38.109
\"Oh my god, we have a family
member that identifies
00:28:38.110 --> 00:28:40.819
\"as not even a gender that exists.\"
00:28:40.820 --> 00:28:43.289
You know, I think there\'s
like a lot of personal fear
00:28:43.290 --> 00:28:45.199
of what other people are going to think.
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:47.089
Kevin being Kevin, he like
pretty much put together
00:28:47.090 --> 00:28:48.659
a portfolio for me.
00:28:48.660 --> 00:28:52.399
He had all this, like,
history and you know,
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:54.159
cultural and historical relativism
00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:56.739
from different times
and all over the world,
00:28:56.740 --> 00:28:59.719
both past and present and current.
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:01.919
It was at that moment where I was like
00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:06.599
\"Why isn\'t there any, like, information?\"
00:29:06.600 --> 00:29:10.669
- If I had known that
nonbinary identities existed
00:29:10.670 --> 00:29:13.379
when I was like 19, 20,
and first transitioning,
00:29:13.380 --> 00:29:15.829
who knows what my life
would have looked like
00:29:15.830 --> 00:29:16.879
or would look like now.
00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:18.999
- The defining moment
for me as an individual,
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:21.299
like \"Oh, this has always been.
00:29:21.300 --> 00:29:23.349
\"How come we haven\'t
talked about this ever?\"
00:29:23.350 --> 00:29:26.799
And then \"Why aren\'t
there enough resources?\"
00:29:26.800 --> 00:29:29.219
There was probably one
other person who identified
00:29:29.220 --> 00:29:32.119
as gender neutral, one
in the entire research.
00:29:32.120 --> 00:29:33.989
- For sure the internet has been
00:29:33.990 --> 00:29:35.939
like the most valuable resource for me
00:29:35.940 --> 00:29:37.809
in figuring out who I am.
00:29:37.810 --> 00:29:39.979
- The thing with social
media is that it allows
00:29:39.980 --> 00:29:42.869
for visibility that was
never before possible.
00:29:42.870 --> 00:29:45.279
We put ourselves in the public eye.
00:29:45.280 --> 00:29:46.809
I\'ve talked to so many people who say
00:29:46.810 --> 00:29:49.099
\"I didn\'t understand who I
was, I didn\'t know who I was,
00:29:49.100 --> 00:29:51.489
\"I didn\'t know anything about
myself, I was so confused,
00:29:51.490 --> 00:29:54.549
\"and then I saw people on
my dash that looked like me,
00:29:54.550 --> 00:29:56.919
\"that felt like me, and
that\'s what allowed me
00:29:56.920 --> 00:29:58.809
\"to understand who I was.\"
00:29:58.810 --> 00:30:00.665
- One of the first talks
I ever had with Lauren
00:30:00.666 --> 00:30:04.319
about the top surgery,
00:30:04.320 --> 00:30:07.739
Lauren told me that they just
never thought it was possible.
00:30:07.740 --> 00:30:10.409
- You know, this was perhaps
the most authentic thing
00:30:10.410 --> 00:30:12.466
I could have done and I was worried
00:30:12.467 --> 00:30:15.065
that it would completely
invalidate who I was.
00:30:15.066 --> 00:30:17.729
I was willing to take that risk.
00:30:17.730 --> 00:30:20.494
- To my mind, the history
of medicine is first of all
00:30:20.495 --> 00:30:23.609
that it was completely
left to the community,
00:30:23.610 --> 00:30:26.519
it was hostile and traumatizing.
00:30:26.520 --> 00:30:29.179
People were doing this on the street
00:30:29.180 --> 00:30:31.589
from people from whom
they could buy hormones
00:30:31.590 --> 00:30:35.639
in ways that were not only
unsafe but also ill-defined.
00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:38.199
They were developing their own care.
00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:40.259
And that\'s a really powerful idea.
00:30:40.260 --> 00:30:43.639
You know, people really saying
\"I need this thing so much
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:47.189
\"that I will define it, get it,
00:30:47.190 --> 00:30:49.799
\"probably put myself at
some risk in getting it,
00:30:49.800 --> 00:30:51.519
\"just to get to be me.\"
00:30:51.520 --> 00:30:54.299
You know, which is, it\'s a huge concept.
00:30:54.300 --> 00:30:58.239
- I think medicine has been
traveling down one road
00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:01.029
for so long and now it\'s been challenged
00:31:01.030 --> 00:31:03.839
with a totally different
type of health care.
00:31:03.840 --> 00:31:05.469
- Some people do and some people don\'t.
00:31:05.470 --> 00:31:09.619
I\'m one of the people who also
had a physical transition.
00:31:09.620 --> 00:31:12.809
\"Oh, well, Lauren\'s
gonna identify as this.\"
00:31:12.810 --> 00:31:15.979
No, like this is also
part of that path for me.
00:31:15.980 --> 00:31:18.739
Even if people didn\'t
fully say it to my face,
00:31:18.740 --> 00:31:20.039
I felt a ton of resistance.
00:31:20.040 --> 00:31:23.479
Which people had no
problem saying to my face.
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:27.579
- In medical school, we\'re
taught of this as a pathology.
00:31:27.580 --> 00:31:30.329
- At least during my time
was you\'re fully recognized
00:31:30.330 --> 00:31:32.559
as human and you\'re fully
recognized for who you are
00:31:32.560 --> 00:31:33.729
the moment you come out,
00:31:33.730 --> 00:31:37.599
I had to be told that I had
a disorder and accept it
00:31:37.600 --> 00:31:40.739
and then have somebody make
decisions on my behalf.
00:31:40.740 --> 00:31:44.519
And that couldn\'t be a more
dehumanizing experience.
00:31:44.520 --> 00:31:47.440
And you have to have such
a strong mind to do that
00:31:48.460 --> 00:31:50.159
while also having a disorder.
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:51.140
- Back when I was in medical school,
00:31:51.141 --> 00:31:53.369
homosexuality was considered a pathology.
00:31:53.370 --> 00:31:57.103
You know, which it\'s not even
a question now that it\'s not.
00:31:57.104 --> 00:31:58.709
Somebody will say \"Hey, I don\'t like you
00:31:58.710 --> 00:32:00.375
\"because you\'ve got brown hair.\"
00:32:00.376 --> 00:32:02.014
Well, this is my hair,
it\'s how it is, tough.
00:32:02.015 --> 00:32:03.189
You know, that\'s how.
00:32:03.190 --> 00:32:04.090
So I don\'t consider it a disorder
00:32:04.091 --> 00:32:05.369
because I don\'t have blond hair.
00:32:05.370 --> 00:32:08.509
The same thing as far as
gender or even sexuality,
00:32:08.510 --> 00:32:09.529
that\'s who you are.
00:32:09.530 --> 00:32:12.509
- This is something that
people need to survive.
00:32:12.510 --> 00:32:16.429
You know, this is not an
option, this is not elective.
00:32:16.430 --> 00:32:18.450
This is something that people need.
00:32:20.260 --> 00:32:22.560
- I booked an appointment
to have top surgery,
00:32:23.620 --> 00:32:26.619
a double mastectomy that
will allow my outside body
00:32:26.620 --> 00:32:28.590
to match how I felt on the inside.
00:32:31.560 --> 00:32:33.359
Dr. Charles Garramone performs
00:32:33.360 --> 00:32:36.120
over 400 top surgery procedures a year
00:32:37.990 --> 00:32:41.109
and is only one of a handful
of experts specializing
00:32:41.110 --> 00:32:42.549
in the procedure.
00:32:42.550 --> 00:32:44.909
I just remember walking
into the doctor\'s office
00:32:44.910 --> 00:32:46.569
and everyone around me looked like me.
00:32:46.570 --> 00:32:48.682
And I just felt home.
00:32:48.683 --> 00:32:50.489
I\'d never actually been
to the doctor\'s office
00:32:50.490 --> 00:32:52.319
or around so many people that were like,
00:32:52.320 --> 00:32:55.199
it was specifically
tailored to your needs.
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:56.897
It was for the first
time I saw my reflection.
00:32:56.898 --> 00:32:59.869
I remember it was like
being hit by a train almost.
00:32:59.870 --> 00:33:01.619
I felt like I was experiencing
my most basic human rights
00:33:01.620 --> 00:33:02.570
for the first time.
00:33:02.571 --> 00:33:03.969
I was like \"Wow, I
actually haven\'t had them
00:33:03.970 --> 00:33:05.300
\"this whole time.\"
00:33:07.942 --> 00:33:08.775
(knocks)
00:33:08.775 --> 00:33:09.775
- Okay.
00:33:11.850 --> 00:33:13.409
You ready for tomorrow?
00:33:13.410 --> 00:33:14.243
- Yes.
00:33:14.243 --> 00:33:15.076
- Okay, alright, great.
00:33:15.076 --> 00:33:15.909
I\'m gonna go through everything.
00:33:15.910 --> 00:33:17.358
Went through your medical
records, paperwork,
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:19.889
everything like that, and
it all looks very good.
00:33:19.890 --> 00:33:21.516
I\'m gonna give you a cape to change into.
00:33:21.517 --> 00:33:22.350
- Okay.
00:33:22.351 --> 00:33:23.529
- You need to have your shirt off.
00:33:23.530 --> 00:33:26.509
If you\'re wearing a binder, you
need to have the binder off.
00:33:26.510 --> 00:33:27.343
That\'s it.
00:33:27.344 --> 00:33:28.904
Alright, be back in just a few minutes.
00:33:30.628 --> 00:33:33.045
(calm music)
00:33:43.258 --> 00:33:45.500
- This is really surreal for me right now.
00:33:48.080 --> 00:33:51.678
Just to see what my chest
is going to look like.
00:33:51.679 --> 00:33:53.108
Or potentially look like.
00:33:53.109 --> 00:33:57.706
And I just can\'t believe it\'s happening.
00:33:57.707 --> 00:33:59.868
I\'m really, really excited.
00:33:59.869 --> 00:34:02.789
I feel like I\'ve arrived home.
00:34:02.790 --> 00:34:04.919
- I find a lot of patients who contact us
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:06.759
don\'t really have that hard line,
00:34:06.760 --> 00:34:09.249
I\'m male, I\'m female anymore.
00:34:09.250 --> 00:34:13.309
And it\'s probably a condition
of the type of practice
00:34:13.310 --> 00:34:15.979
that I have that I
interact with more people
00:34:15.980 --> 00:34:18.349
who are considered more of a genderfluid.
00:34:18.350 --> 00:34:20.639
I have my set patients
who, hey look, I\'m male,
00:34:20.640 --> 00:34:22.499
I\'m 100% male, this is how I feel.
00:34:22.500 --> 00:34:24.029
But then I have a lot
of other patients too
00:34:24.030 --> 00:34:26.519
who are kind of like,
well, I\'m sort of male
00:34:26.520 --> 00:34:27.809
but I still feel kind of female
00:34:27.810 --> 00:34:29.029
or I kind of feel like I\'m in the middle.
00:34:29.030 --> 00:34:31.889
So I think there\'s a nice
pendulum and a spectrum
00:34:31.890 --> 00:34:35.639
of gender identity that can
swing kind of either way.
00:34:35.640 --> 00:34:37.159
And I don\'t think there\'s any way
00:34:37.160 --> 00:34:39.979
you can actually really tell
somebody what their gender is.
00:34:39.980 --> 00:34:41.530
They know what their gender is.
00:34:44.240 --> 00:34:45.279
I\'ll be meeting with you tomorrow
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:46.113
in the pre-op area.
00:34:46.114 --> 00:34:47.879
I\'ll be marking your chest
where the incisions are going,
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:49.679
where the nipple position\'s going to be.
00:34:49.680 --> 00:34:50.513
You go back,
00:34:50.514 --> 00:34:52.339
surgery takes about an
hour and a half to perform.
00:34:52.340 --> 00:34:53.819
Don\'t raise your arms overhead,
00:34:53.820 --> 00:34:55.149
don\'t reach for something far away
00:34:55.150 --> 00:34:55.983
because when you do this,
00:34:55.984 --> 00:34:57.689
you can actually rip your incisions open.
00:34:57.690 --> 00:35:00.319
Try to keep your arms down by
your side as much as possible.
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:02.649
No heavy lifting, no strenuous activities,
00:35:02.650 --> 00:35:04.039
nothing to get your heart rate elevated
00:35:04.040 --> 00:35:05.999
because this can cause bleeding.
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:09.629
- As Dr. Garramone explained
the details of the surgery,
00:35:09.630 --> 00:35:11.730
my mind and heart were racing.
00:35:13.140 --> 00:35:15.040
I was about to go under the knife.
00:35:16.630 --> 00:35:20.920
But it was a small price to
pay to finally feel myself.
00:35:26.940 --> 00:35:29.949
For so long, I felt that I was living life
00:35:29.950 --> 00:35:33.489
through a one way mirror where
I can see and hear the world
00:35:33.490 --> 00:35:34.969
but the world couldn\'t see or hear me.
00:35:34.970 --> 00:35:36.799
And I felt like I was screaming at times,
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:38.479
like waving my hands.
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:39.789
The whole world would pass by.
00:35:39.790 --> 00:35:41.409
And that\'s why I felt like I was drowning.
00:35:41.410 --> 00:35:44.140
Like how come no one can see me?
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:47.820
There\'d be no more binding
my chest every morning.
00:35:49.260 --> 00:35:51.189
No more having to always be hunched over,
00:35:51.190 --> 00:35:52.790
trying to hide my breasts.
00:35:54.580 --> 00:35:55.710
No more shame.
00:35:57.040 --> 00:35:58.040
I was ready.
00:36:03.466 --> 00:36:05.716
(applause)
00:36:44.730 --> 00:36:46.749
- [Interviewer] Who is \"they?
00:36:46.750 --> 00:36:48.019
- In which context?
00:36:48.020 --> 00:36:49.489
- [Interviewer] You said
that they always knew
00:36:49.490 --> 00:36:50.350
that they needed...
00:36:50.351 --> 00:36:52.379
- I\'m referring to Lauren.
00:36:52.380 --> 00:36:54.469
I try to use they.
00:36:54.470 --> 00:36:55.470
They, their.
00:36:57.235 --> 00:36:58.959
Gender neutral pronouns.
00:36:58.960 --> 00:36:59.950
- [Interviewer] Got you, got you, got you.
00:36:59.951 --> 00:37:04.950
- It\'s so necessary for
us to have the language
00:37:05.220 --> 00:37:06.249
to talk about ourselves.
00:37:06.250 --> 00:37:08.279
- I don\'t know by looking
at you what your gender is.
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:10.039
I don\'t know by asking
you what your name is
00:37:10.040 --> 00:37:11.079
what your gender is.
00:37:11.080 --> 00:37:14.259
I don\'t even know based on
your body what your gender is
00:37:14.260 --> 00:37:16.069
because that\'s something unique to you.
00:37:16.070 --> 00:37:17.809
- It\'s so much easier to just ask someone
00:37:17.810 --> 00:37:19.379
like \"What are your pronouns?\"
00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:21.269
It should be as common
as \"What is your name?\"
00:37:21.270 --> 00:37:22.639
- I think people are afraid to ask
00:37:22.640 --> 00:37:24.469
and I think that\'s a huge conversation
00:37:24.470 --> 00:37:26.059
that we all need to be having,
00:37:26.060 --> 00:37:29.869
that asking somebody what
pronouns they use is respectful
00:37:29.870 --> 00:37:30.939
and wonderful.
00:37:30.940 --> 00:37:33.339
- Using someone\'s pronouns is important
00:37:33.340 --> 00:37:35.876
because that\'s who they are.
00:37:35.877 --> 00:37:39.089
- It\'s not \"I\'m gonna tell you who to be.\"
00:37:39.090 --> 00:37:41.079
It\'s \"You tell me who you are.\"
00:37:41.080 --> 00:37:44.289
- You would never just
call Rebecca \"Becky\".
00:37:44.290 --> 00:37:46.759
Or you would never call Rebecca \"Sandra\".
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:50.689
Like, you wouldn\'t just
use the wrong name.
00:37:50.690 --> 00:37:53.159
So why would you use the wrong pronoun?
00:37:53.160 --> 00:37:54.889
That makes no sense.
00:37:54.890 --> 00:37:59.789
Like using someone\'s pronouns
is just the correct way
00:37:59.790 --> 00:38:00.640
to refer to them.
00:38:00.641 --> 00:38:03.209
- Having someone change
pronouns is really important.
00:38:03.210 --> 00:38:05.084
It\'s not something that comes naturally,
00:38:05.085 --> 00:38:07.129
it doesn\'t happen easily right away,
00:38:07.130 --> 00:38:08.349
but that isn\'t an indication
00:38:08.350 --> 00:38:10.479
that it isn\'t incredibly important.
00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:12.819
And all you have to do for yourself
00:38:12.820 --> 00:38:14.279
is think about how you would feel
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:16.059
if somebody was referring to
you with the wrong pronouns,
00:38:16.060 --> 00:38:17.139
whatever they may be.
00:38:17.140 --> 00:38:20.049
If somebody was referring
to me as he all the time,
00:38:20.050 --> 00:38:22.309
that would be, I mean,
it wouldn\'t feel like me
00:38:22.310 --> 00:38:23.459
because it wouldn\'t be me.
00:38:23.460 --> 00:38:25.879
And that\'s how anyone feels who\'s asking,
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:27.889
\"Hey, these are my
pronouns, please use them.\"
00:38:27.890 --> 00:38:30.859
When you don\'t use them,
you\'re just invalidating them.
00:38:30.860 --> 00:38:32.479
You\'re erasing them
and you\'re telling them
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:35.099
that their understanding of themselves
00:38:35.100 --> 00:38:38.059
is not as important as
your understanding of them.
00:38:38.060 --> 00:38:42.049
And we owe anyone that
respect of doing that work
00:38:42.050 --> 00:38:43.629
because the alternative is
that they don\'t get to feel
00:38:43.630 --> 00:38:46.722
like a person so that I can
feel comfortable saying a word.
00:38:46.723 --> 00:38:48.809
You know, that\'s not cool.
00:38:48.810 --> 00:38:52.149
- I feel like the people
who brush my identities off
00:38:52.150 --> 00:38:54.719
as like not a big deal or like
\"Oh, why do you need labels?\"
00:38:54.720 --> 00:38:56.899
or \"We\'re all human\" or whatever,
00:38:56.900 --> 00:38:58.769
they\'re coming from a
position of privilege
00:38:58.770 --> 00:39:02.069
where they grow up knowing their identity.
00:39:02.070 --> 00:39:03.899
Like their identity is laid out for them,
00:39:03.900 --> 00:39:06.609
it\'s like you see it in every movie,
00:39:06.610 --> 00:39:08.159
you read about it in every book,
00:39:08.160 --> 00:39:10.579
you see it displayed like in your lives,
00:39:10.580 --> 00:39:13.139
you see it with like your
teachers and your parents,
00:39:13.140 --> 00:39:16.229
and you have so many models
and so many possibilities.
00:39:16.230 --> 00:39:17.899
But for people like me,
00:39:17.900 --> 00:39:21.299
who don\'t see themselves
reflected in other people
00:39:21.300 --> 00:39:25.369
or in the media or anywhere,
it\'s so, so important
00:39:25.370 --> 00:39:29.009
to have the terms to be
able to navigate myself
00:39:29.010 --> 00:39:30.730
and to contextualize my life.
00:39:36.174 --> 00:39:38.757
(gentle music)
00:39:54.332 --> 00:39:57.369
- After all these years
of my entire lifetime
00:39:57.370 --> 00:40:00.469
of wanting to see that
reflection in the mirror,
00:40:00.470 --> 00:40:02.279
you know, wanting to see this person
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:04.059
finally looking back at you,
00:40:04.060 --> 00:40:05.949
having the surgery but not
being able to see yourself
00:40:05.950 --> 00:40:07.589
for a week was like...
00:40:07.590 --> 00:40:10.979
Just almost like torture for me.
00:40:10.980 --> 00:40:13.069
You know, now that I\'m post-op
00:40:13.070 --> 00:40:17.289
and everything\'s going
smoothly as of right now
00:40:17.290 --> 00:40:22.290
and I\'m really excited, I still
haven\'t had the opportunity
00:40:23.110 --> 00:40:25.749
to tell many people in my life
00:40:25.750 --> 00:40:28.599
that I\'ve had this step.
00:40:28.600 --> 00:40:29.949
It needed to be a celebration.
00:40:29.950 --> 00:40:31.609
It truly didn\'t feel
like it was celebrated.
00:40:31.610 --> 00:40:32.899
Because how could you?
00:40:32.900 --> 00:40:35.499
I mean, it was very misunderstood.
00:40:35.500 --> 00:40:39.609
I\'ve wanted to keep
this so sacred to myself
00:40:39.610 --> 00:40:41.419
because it\'s such a celebration.
00:40:41.420 --> 00:40:42.789
I think that was the hardest thing for me
00:40:42.790 --> 00:40:44.519
was I wanted to share
this moment with people
00:40:44.520 --> 00:40:48.409
but because I feel like there
was so much misunderstanding,
00:40:48.410 --> 00:40:51.910
fear, and I think a lot of
grief in a lot of people,
00:40:53.120 --> 00:40:54.999
it\'s not a celebration,
it\'s like a funeral.
00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:58.819
I feel like I want to
call everybody right now
00:40:58.820 --> 00:41:02.300
and just let them know that I did it.
00:41:03.430 --> 00:41:04.640
You know, I...
00:41:08.614 --> 00:41:10.697
(crying)
00:41:22.310 --> 00:41:23.620
I finally did it.
00:41:25.200 --> 00:41:28.199
I just couldn\'t believe I
had the courage to do it,
00:41:28.200 --> 00:41:30.959
you know, and I had the
opportunity to do it,
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:32.770
and that my life was beginning.
00:41:33.830 --> 00:41:37.469
I find myself picking up the
phone and putting it down
00:41:37.470 --> 00:41:42.470
or wanting to text or call
somebody and not just...
00:41:46.660 --> 00:41:48.079
Because I can\'t.
00:41:48.080 --> 00:41:50.699
Having to, like, suddenly
let go of this person
00:41:50.700 --> 00:41:55.450
who perhaps they had dreams
for and aspirations for,
00:41:56.330 --> 00:41:58.689
thought that I should be or wanted to be,
00:41:58.690 --> 00:42:00.139
of course you\'re going to grieve that.
00:42:00.140 --> 00:42:03.419
It\'s like literally the loss of a person.
00:42:03.420 --> 00:42:08.260
It was a sense of mourning for Lauren as
00:42:08.261 --> 00:42:10.145
the daughter,
00:42:10.150 --> 00:42:13.949
the sister, the girlfriend.
00:42:13.950 --> 00:42:15.819
You know, you have to let people mourn.
00:42:15.820 --> 00:42:19.399
It happened on a very
micro and macro level.
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:22.221
It affected every aspect of my life
00:42:22.222 --> 00:42:25.860
and I witnessed grief in
every aspect of my life.
00:42:31.710 --> 00:42:34.127
(calm music)
00:42:50.110 --> 00:42:51.051
- Hey, how you doing?
00:42:51.051 --> 00:42:51.910
- Good.
00:42:51.911 --> 00:42:53.530
- Alright, so you\'re ready?
00:42:53.531 --> 00:42:54.850
- Yes.
00:42:54.851 --> 00:42:56.507
- You\'ve recovered pretty well?
00:42:56.508 --> 00:42:57.341
- Yeah.
00:42:57.342 --> 00:42:59.199
- A lot of pain, low pain?
00:42:59.200 --> 00:43:00.709
- Pretty mild.
00:43:00.710 --> 00:43:01.543
- [Doctor] Pretty mild?
00:43:01.543 --> 00:43:02.543
- Yeah.
00:43:03.715 --> 00:43:05.599
- Your hair\'s already grown back.
00:43:05.600 --> 00:43:09.100
It\'s like clean last week, now it\'s grown.
00:43:11.056 --> 00:43:12.056
Now what we\'re gonna have you do
00:43:12.057 --> 00:43:14.466
is kind of scoot your tuckus
forward a little bit here,
00:43:14.467 --> 00:43:16.007
kinda lean forward.
00:43:16.008 --> 00:43:18.917
We\'ll take the bandages off now.
00:43:18.918 --> 00:43:21.506
Put your elbows up on top here.
00:43:21.507 --> 00:43:23.231
So we\'re gonna save this bandage for you
00:43:23.232 --> 00:43:27.815
in case you develop any
swelling or anything like that.
00:43:30.102 --> 00:43:31.102
There we go.
00:43:32.662 --> 00:43:34.397
Now we got this bony prominence,
00:43:34.398 --> 00:43:36.370
which is part of your skeletal structure,
00:43:36.371 --> 00:43:39.399
that\'s something that
came out on your surgery.
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:41.629
And in the center, it shows on your top.
00:43:41.630 --> 00:43:42.630
But just...
00:43:45.448 --> 00:43:46.865
- I\'m so excited.
00:43:48.168 --> 00:43:49.416
- You can look down, you can look down.
00:43:49.417 --> 00:43:51.757
Now this is your bony
prominence right here, okay?
00:43:51.758 --> 00:43:53.730
Even though you had this your life,
00:43:53.731 --> 00:43:56.394
now the rest has gotten
it, see it very good.
00:43:56.395 --> 00:43:57.315
I\'m gonna have you stand up.
00:43:57.316 --> 00:43:59.861
Let\'s go look in a mirror here.
00:43:59.862 --> 00:44:01.604
You look so happy.
00:44:01.605 --> 00:44:02.600
So basically you can see
00:44:02.601 --> 00:44:05.231
your chest has very mild
small ripples, wrinkles.
00:44:05.232 --> 00:44:08.271
That\'s all gonna smooth out
in the next several weeks.
00:44:08.272 --> 00:44:09.882
Don\'t worry, it\'s all written
down in case you forget.
00:44:09.883 --> 00:44:10.965
- Okay.
00:44:10.966 --> 00:44:12.549
- Tape strips here.
00:44:14.670 --> 00:44:16.154
Move your arms out to the side.
00:44:16.155 --> 00:44:18.303
Like that, you can see nice and flat.
00:44:18.304 --> 00:44:20.304
The side, on both sides.
00:44:21.542 --> 00:44:22.998
That is very, very good.
00:44:22.999 --> 00:44:24.159
Alright?
00:44:24.160 --> 00:44:26.175
- Okay, I didn\'t hear anything you said.
00:44:26.176 --> 00:44:27.927
(laughs)
00:44:27.928 --> 00:44:29.800
I\'m just too excited.
00:44:36.384 --> 00:44:37.546
- Alright, that\'s awesome.
00:44:37.547 --> 00:44:38.380
Okay?
00:44:38.381 --> 00:44:39.415
Alright, congrats.
00:44:39.416 --> 00:44:43.666
Just need to step out and
sign the paperwork, okay?
00:44:45.485 --> 00:44:46.485
Here we go.
00:44:49.744 --> 00:44:52.827
- This is the coolest day of my life.
00:44:55.630 --> 00:44:58.689
I feel like I can
finally, like, see myself,
00:44:58.690 --> 00:45:03.310
see myself as I\'ve always been.
00:45:17.430 --> 00:45:19.059
- It\'s not just like one person
00:45:19.060 --> 00:45:20.809
if somebody feels like more themselves,
00:45:20.810 --> 00:45:22.632
they\'re gonna be able
to go out in public more
00:45:22.633 --> 00:45:26.519
and be more of a productive
person and be a happier person
00:45:26.520 --> 00:45:28.170
and hopefully treat people nicer.
00:45:31.230 --> 00:45:34.989
- I 100% think that this
is a human rights issue.
00:45:34.990 --> 00:45:38.419
From, you know, like we
said, a fundamental denial
00:45:38.420 --> 00:45:41.869
of existence, to having
people in your office
00:45:41.870 --> 00:45:43.409
and traumatizing them.
00:45:43.410 --> 00:45:48.019
- Not having access to such
basic things like housing
00:45:48.020 --> 00:45:53.020
and jobs and health care
clearly affect our lives.
00:45:55.140 --> 00:45:57.079
Like if there\'s a male
bathroom and a female bathroom,
00:45:57.080 --> 00:45:59.706
I have to decide what I look like
00:45:59.707 --> 00:46:02.979
and which one I\'m gonna go
into if I\'m going to at all.
00:46:02.980 --> 00:46:05.519
Like maybe I\'m just gonna
hold it till I get home
00:46:05.520 --> 00:46:07.679
in who knows how many hours.
00:46:07.680 --> 00:46:08.969
Who\'s gonna be in the bathroom?
00:46:08.970 --> 00:46:10.729
Like, are they gonna kick
me out of the bathroom?
00:46:10.730 --> 00:46:11.979
Am I gonna get harassed?
00:46:11.980 --> 00:46:13.419
Is like security gonna come?
00:46:13.420 --> 00:46:15.429
And of course you can\'t
plan for all these things
00:46:15.430 --> 00:46:16.869
but there\'s so many things
00:46:16.870 --> 00:46:19.739
that cis people don\'t have to think about.
00:46:19.740 --> 00:46:21.849
- There have been times
when we would go out
00:46:21.850 --> 00:46:23.919
and I would have to
physically restrain people
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:25.399
from attacking Lauren.
00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:28.219
- You know, there are a lot of places
00:46:28.220 --> 00:46:30.239
that I just don\'t go because I know
00:46:30.240 --> 00:46:31.909
that I\'m not gonna feel safe there,
00:46:31.910 --> 00:46:33.519
I know that I\'m not gonna be acknowledged,
00:46:33.520 --> 00:46:36.479
that my identity is not
gonna be acknowledged,
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:37.769
that I\'m gonna be misgendered.
00:46:37.770 --> 00:46:41.129
So I like have to pick
and choose very carefully
00:46:41.130 --> 00:46:43.879
like how and when and
where I spend my time
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:46.159
so that I feel the most safe.
00:46:46.160 --> 00:46:50.379
- Things are changing but I
still can\'t fill out forms.
00:46:50.380 --> 00:46:52.569
I don\'t have a legal identity.
00:46:52.570 --> 00:46:53.599
- There are human beings
00:46:53.600 --> 00:46:55.149
who are trying to apply for college,
00:46:55.150 --> 00:46:56.669
who are trying to go to the bathroom,
00:46:56.670 --> 00:46:58.359
who are trying to live in a dorm room,
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:00.929
who are trying to do all of
these things just to exist
00:47:00.930 --> 00:47:03.179
and they can\'t because
there\'s no room for them,
00:47:03.180 --> 00:47:04.609
there\'s no box for them to check.
00:47:04.610 --> 00:47:07.999
But to actually live in that
body, to live in that identity,
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:10.399
and to really not have a box to check,
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:12.359
it does so much to you.
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:14.059
It tells you that you don\'t exist,
00:47:14.060 --> 00:47:15.899
it tells you that you\'re not recognized,
00:47:15.900 --> 00:47:17.789
and that applies to so many other things
00:47:17.790 --> 00:47:20.649
that are happening past
just that application.
00:47:20.650 --> 00:47:23.169
- Like I\'m always, always
thinking about my safety
00:47:23.170 --> 00:47:25.559
and thinking about how
I\'m being perceived.
00:47:25.560 --> 00:47:28.570
And really I just want to go
out and like live my life.
00:47:31.030 --> 00:47:33.026
- When you change one identity,
00:47:33.027 --> 00:47:35.199
a lot of times that affects
other identities as well.
00:47:35.200 --> 00:47:38.069
So me no longer identifying as female,
00:47:38.070 --> 00:47:40.559
well then what does that mean
for your sexual orientation?
00:47:40.560 --> 00:47:42.210
- Everyone exists in a spectrum.
00:47:43.100 --> 00:47:45.849
And to limit yourself to love somebody
00:47:45.850 --> 00:47:48.599
based on what label you give them,
00:47:48.600 --> 00:47:50.209
I think things are changing.
00:47:50.210 --> 00:47:52.459
- A lot of times, because
of all these labels,
00:47:52.460 --> 00:47:55.579
we deny so much of our own ability
00:47:55.580 --> 00:48:00.539
to just logistically be
together or have a relationship.
00:48:00.540 --> 00:48:05.209
Although I was like madly in
love, you know, with Kevin.
00:48:05.210 --> 00:48:08.319
- People will actually
begin to love people
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:11.329
for who they genuinely are.
00:48:11.330 --> 00:48:15.849
- I\'m no longer gonna put
a restriction on my heart.
00:48:15.850 --> 00:48:20.489
- The reality is that bathrooms
and clothing, even love,
00:48:20.490 --> 00:48:22.329
they don\'t have an inherent gender.
00:48:22.330 --> 00:48:27.330
- Kevin is super smart,
really funny, my best friend.
00:48:27.770 --> 00:48:29.959
- It\'s that human that
I fell in love with,
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:32.469
it\'s that human that I connect with.
00:48:32.470 --> 00:48:34.059
- I truly feel like he\'s my soul mate.
00:48:34.060 --> 00:48:36.039
We came from very different backgrounds
00:48:36.040 --> 00:48:38.369
and yet somehow met each
other in the middle.
00:48:38.370 --> 00:48:39.789
- [Kevin] The longer I\'m with Lauren,
00:48:39.790 --> 00:48:42.780
the more I\'m able to fully understand
00:48:42.781 --> 00:48:46.470
how antiquated our idea
of gender actually is.
00:48:48.980 --> 00:48:51.499
- I think because of who I am
00:48:51.500 --> 00:48:53.949
and the uniqueness of our relationship,
00:48:53.950 --> 00:48:55.879
people come with all
these preconceived notions
00:48:55.880 --> 00:48:57.789
and they hang out with us for like an hour
00:48:57.790 --> 00:49:00.449
or like a few times, and they\'re like
00:49:00.450 --> 00:49:02.799
\"You guys are like boringly normal.\"
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:04.329
- I only want to be with Lauren
00:49:04.330 --> 00:49:05.629
and that\'s the only person
00:49:05.630 --> 00:49:07.629
that I want to share my life with.
00:49:07.630 --> 00:49:08.649
- I think going through the process
00:49:08.650 --> 00:49:10.909
of stripping away so much,
we\'re able to just be like
00:49:10.910 --> 00:49:13.659
\"I love you for you,
00:49:13.660 --> 00:49:15.049
\"and I love you and I want to be with you.
00:49:15.050 --> 00:49:17.750
\"Like I don\'t want to not
live my life with you ever.\"
00:49:19.590 --> 00:49:23.909
- What I\'m witnessing as
Lauren goes down this journey
00:49:23.910 --> 00:49:26.839
with helping other people who
are in the same situation,
00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:28.749
it\'s just how many other
people are out there
00:49:28.750 --> 00:49:31.199
who identify this way.
00:49:31.200 --> 00:49:32.919
They truly do exist.
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:35.169
- Just because certain things
are the way they are now
00:49:35.170 --> 00:49:37.839
does not mean that they\'re
going to always be that way.
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:39.679
You don\'t have to settle.
00:49:39.680 --> 00:49:41.239
- People are people are people.
00:49:41.240 --> 00:49:44.969
And we all deserve to live
comfortably in our own skin.
00:49:44.970 --> 00:49:49.399
I just feel like I have Lauren back.
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:51.169
I still have a tremendous amount to learn
00:49:51.170 --> 00:49:53.549
but if I\'m not willing to kind of jump in
00:49:53.550 --> 00:49:56.439
and learn for myself
and get educated myself,
00:49:56.440 --> 00:49:59.229
then I\'m really not being supportive.
00:49:59.230 --> 00:50:00.719
- Things are heading in a great direction
00:50:00.720 --> 00:50:02.809
and particularly in New York State,
00:50:02.810 --> 00:50:04.179
things are heading in a good direction
00:50:04.180 --> 00:50:06.829
in terms of insurance
covering more every day,
00:50:06.830 --> 00:50:08.749
it\'s becoming more mainstream,
00:50:08.750 --> 00:50:11.779
younger and younger kids
are being understood
00:50:11.780 --> 00:50:13.809
as being gender non-conforming
00:50:13.810 --> 00:50:16.689
versus being forced into a gender role.
00:50:16.690 --> 00:50:19.949
There are gender
non-conforming play groups.
00:50:19.950 --> 00:50:22.139
- I\'m really excited
about the conversations
00:50:22.140 --> 00:50:23.179
that are happening right now.
00:50:23.180 --> 00:50:26.249
I think more than ever
before, certainly in my life,
00:50:26.250 --> 00:50:28.089
people are talking about this,
00:50:28.090 --> 00:50:31.209
people are saying \"I
don\'t fit here or there.
00:50:31.210 --> 00:50:33.049
\"This isn\'t okay that you\'re telling me
00:50:33.050 --> 00:50:35.019
\"that I have to fit here or there.\"
00:50:35.020 --> 00:50:38.029
And the visibility, the
visibility that places like Tumblr
00:50:38.030 --> 00:50:41.369
and Facebook and Twitter and
Instagram give to all of us
00:50:41.370 --> 00:50:44.979
is so powerful and it\'s
allowing young people especially
00:50:44.980 --> 00:50:49.309
to mobilize and to not
tolerate being excluded,
00:50:49.310 --> 00:50:52.879
being rendered invisible, being
told that they don\'t exist.
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:55.759
- Everyone deserves to be able
00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:57.439
to contextualize their experiences.
00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:02.440
Everyone deserves to feel
grounded in their identity.
00:51:02.490 --> 00:51:06.999
Everyone deserves to live the
life that they want to live
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:08.999
and that feels authentic to them.
00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:11.359
- It\'s a really exciting time to be alive
00:51:11.360 --> 00:51:13.679
and to be participating
in the conversation
00:51:13.680 --> 00:51:15.569
because change is happening
00:51:15.570 --> 00:51:18.689
and I think that we all
need to pay attention to it
00:51:18.690 --> 00:51:20.399
and keep that momentum moving
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:22.679
and allow young people
the space that they need
00:51:22.680 --> 00:51:26.169
to really, really champion this cause.
00:51:26.170 --> 00:51:28.709
- My advice also is to
like just build community
00:51:28.710 --> 00:51:30.930
in any way that you can.
00:51:32.270 --> 00:51:34.039
And to always know that there are people
00:51:34.040 --> 00:51:37.519
who love and support you
for exactly who you are.
00:51:37.520 --> 00:51:40.999
And I mean, it might take a
while to find those people
00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:43.950
and that is very hard and I
definitely don\'t discount that,
00:51:46.420 --> 00:51:50.529
but we are out here living
and trying to find you
00:51:50.530 --> 00:51:51.740
and love you.
00:51:56.340 --> 00:51:57.887
- [Interviewer] Great. Let\'s cut.
00:51:57.888 --> 00:51:58.888
- Okay.
00:52:01.037 --> 00:52:02.454
- Ronan, Chicago.
00:52:03.476 --> 00:52:04.509
I exist.
00:52:04.510 --> 00:52:06.537
- Sage, Portland.
00:52:06.538 --> 00:52:07.633
I exist.
00:52:07.634 --> 00:52:10.051
- Maya, Enfield, Connecticut.
00:52:10.930 --> 00:52:12.329
I exist.
00:52:12.330 --> 00:52:14.199
- Aaron, Oakland.
00:52:14.200 --> 00:52:15.599
I exist.
00:52:15.600 --> 00:52:17.940
- Devon, Midland, Texas.
00:52:18.950 --> 00:52:20.409
I exist.
00:52:20.410 --> 00:52:21.889
- Mel, Lincoln.
00:52:21.890 --> 00:52:23.110
I exist.
00:52:23.111 --> 00:52:24.778
- Graham, Clairmont.
00:52:25.844 --> 00:52:26.902
I exist.
00:52:26.903 --> 00:52:28.329
- Flo, Calabone.
00:52:28.330 --> 00:52:30.029
I exist.
00:52:30.030 --> 00:52:31.939
- Devon, Dallas.
00:52:31.940 --> 00:52:33.579
I exist.
00:52:33.580 --> 00:52:35.469
- Callie, UK.
00:52:35.470 --> 00:52:36.709
I exist.
00:52:36.710 --> 00:52:39.209
- Jenna, Oakland.
00:52:39.210 --> 00:52:40.359
I exist.
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:42.459
- Carter, Tegucigalpa, Honduras.
00:52:42.460 --> 00:52:43.549
I exist.
00:52:43.550 --> 00:52:45.069
- Jake, Portland.
00:52:45.070 --> 00:52:46.179
I exist.
00:52:46.180 --> 00:52:48.269
- Dallas, LA.
00:52:48.270 --> 00:52:49.571
I exist.
00:52:49.572 --> 00:52:51.109
- Cinzia, Italy.
00:52:51.110 --> 00:52:52.020
I exist.
00:52:52.021 --> 00:52:54.335
- Sar, California.
00:52:54.336 --> 00:52:55.806
I exist.
00:52:55.807 --> 00:52:57.108
- Ari, Vancouver.
00:52:57.109 --> 00:52:58.508
I exist.
00:52:58.509 --> 00:52:59.759
- Owen, Denver.
00:53:00.804 --> 00:53:02.276
I exist.
00:53:02.277 --> 00:53:03.610
- Kate, Augusta.
00:53:04.572 --> 00:53:06.230
I exist.
00:53:06.231 --> 00:53:07.814
- Aubrey, Portland.
00:53:09.020 --> 00:53:10.399
I exist.
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:12.979
- Kayden Gray, Sante Fe.
00:53:12.980 --> 00:53:14.169
I exist.
00:53:14.170 --> 00:53:15.870
- Kyle Ryan from Mesa.
00:53:16.900 --> 00:53:18.489
I exist.
00:53:18.490 --> 00:53:21.359
- Jess, Aotearoa, New Zealand.
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:22.759
I exist.
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:25.149
- Chloe, Buffalo, New York.
00:53:25.150 --> 00:53:26.150
I exist.
00:53:27.200 --> 00:53:30.499
- My name is Diana and I\'m from California
00:53:30.500 --> 00:53:31.500
and I exist.
00:53:32.983 --> 00:53:35.566
(gentle music)
00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:18.100
- [Lauren] This is me.
00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:20.730
My name is Lauren.
00:54:29.680 --> 00:54:32.097
(calm music)