The Many Lives of Kojin

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An Iranian Kurd and political refugee in France, goes to Iraq where accompanied by Kojin, a 23-year-old gay friend, he confronts - with a great sens of humor - his devout family, friends and other members of the Kurdish community with their prejudices on homosexuality. He draws the portrait of a society where homosexuality seems not to exist. It also forces us to look at this as a mirror of how we deal with minorities.

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Main credits

Yazdani, Diako (film director)
Pillosio, Rapha©�l (film producer)

Other credits

Editing, Florence Bresson.

MARC Record See Worldcat record

Keywords

human interest, LGBT,LGBTQ,LGBTQ+,LGBTQIA,Iran,Iranian,Kurd,Kurdish,discrimination,prejudice,Iraq,Iraqi; "The Many Lives of Kojin"; Cultural Anthropology; Middle East Studies; Gay; Lesbian; Sexuality; Social Psychology; Behavioral Sociology; Iran; Iraq;

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And one day, without any explanation,

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I was born in Iranian Kurdistan...

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Iranian.

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I could have achieved
lots of things in my life,

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but finally
what I best achieved,

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is being a political refugee
in Paris since 2011

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As I cannot return to Iran,

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I meet up with my family
in Iraqi Kurdistan...

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Iraqi

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Until I was 18, I was the most
fervent of believers...

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I learnt the Quran at the mosque.

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Just like all my friends,
I learnt about the legend of Lut

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The men had sexual relations
amongst themselves,

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and they suffered the
wrath of God.

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The show I would have
never missed for the world:

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the punishments of faggots
in the main square.

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It was great!
I felt safe.

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I even wished the death sentence
for those fuckers!

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But, as time went by

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I distanced myself from
religion and tradition...

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in secret.

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I understood that homosexuals,

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were not sons of dogs,
rapists or paedophiles.

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It was only in Paris

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that I was able to openly have
homosexual friends.

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One day, one of my best friends,
an Iranian Kurd

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told me he was gay

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but he seemed “virile”
in my eyes.

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His family had disowned him.

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Now he lives in Germany.

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It generated a deep anger in me.

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It's this anger that
pushed me to make the film.

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Friends told me that
talking about homosexuality

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in a war-torn region

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is a preoccupation
of petty bourgeois.

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In my opinion, it's a bad thing.

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From what point of view?

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From an Islamic point of view.

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Only Islam?

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From an Islamic view
and that of society.

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It existed at the time of Lut,

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men with men,
and the women pushed aside.

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This desire belongs to that era.

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I saw men in Kurdistan
proclaiming their rights.

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They want what exists elsewhere.
It's not a right.

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You mean it's European,
and not from here?

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People like that chew
other people's gum.

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It doesn't exist in Kurdistan?

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there are surely some...

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But I don't know any!

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If anybody in my family did
something like that,

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whatever the law,
or the government,

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I would kill them myself.

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It's from Europe,

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God created all these beautiful women,

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isn't it a sin
to go with a man?

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God created woman
in the best possible way

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to satisfy man.

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Paedophilia is a sin!

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I don't know how
they can have this attraction!

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Paedophilia is different.

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Here, we're talking about two men
or two adult women.

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Two adults?!

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Paedophilia is different.
It's an illness.

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Here we're talking about something else,

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two adults of the same sex
who have sexual relations.

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It's because they can't find anyone

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nobody wants them!

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They're forced to satisfy
their needs like that.

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That's how I see it.

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Finally, after a
long search,

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Kojin is the only
homosexual who accepted

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to tell his story
in front of my camera.

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Hello, fine, thanks.

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Welcome.

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After all this time
on social media,

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we meet at last.

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Here, people like me are beaten,
humiliated.

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Their families chase them
out of the house.

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Through the police
the government humiliates them.

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They are arrested.

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Especially those who are
the most obvious and visible.

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And I'm one of them.
My life is under threat.

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If my uncle finds out,
my life is in danger.

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Everything is difficult.

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Do you have another question?

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How old are you?

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Who?

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My age?

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22.
27/11/1993.

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the electricity's out!

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And who do you live with?

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With my mother and my stepfather.

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-Your mother and...
-My friend.

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Who?

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Have you finished?

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Or it's the government that
forced you to stop?!

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Yes it's the government
that forced us to stop!

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I proposed to Kojin that
we make a film together.

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A film in which, at least,
we will confront this taboo.

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We will see at the end, if
because of this film,

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I myself become a taboo subject
in the eyes of others.

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The Hospital of Charity according
to the principles of the prophet Muhammad

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How is your other son?

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He's not following your program.

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You told me to bring this one
so we brought him.

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What's wrong with this young man?
This garden rose!

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He's as sick as can be.

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He's not very joyful.
- Speak.

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Hold him.
Tell me, what's the matter.

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I said it, at home,
there is no problem.

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No problem,

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not physically, not mentally,
nor in the soul.

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But my mother says

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that I have the jinn
and I don't know...

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You get angry?

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He wants to poison us...

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Really!

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I don't want to judge you.

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But at home,
he says he wants to kill you?

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Yes.

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Not me...

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Something in your body says it?

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Hold him.
-He's in pain all over.

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He says that something in his body
tells him: « Kill your parents »!

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Look how the jinn is strong!

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He hates everybody, his friends,

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he turns off his phone.

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It's interesting.

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There's no link.

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Yes.

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He doesn't see anybody.

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My Dear, there is something...

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There is something in his body,
but he's a good boy.

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He stays at home all the time,
he is a teacher.

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This brave boy is a teacher?

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What's your name?

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Tchia, it means « he mountain »

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So, be like a mountain!

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Dear mother, he has something
in the body.

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We will get rid of it.

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He must not eat meat
for one month.

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Three possibilities:

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sadness, fear,
or he loves a girl.

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Listen well.

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My other son, doesn't listen to you.

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Respect your parents,
it's important.

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I'm not sad at all.
That's the problem for them.

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Come back in two months.

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My dear assistant.

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Hit him on the soles of the feet.

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Tell them it's for the nerves
and show them how to do it.

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Sorry, sorry.

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-Can I?
-Yes.

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And apart from that, what can else
can I do to help him?

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« Satan comes and goes through
the nerves»,

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Whoever has the jinn in him,

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One must: 1) read the Quran,
2) hit him.

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Because the nerves of the spirit
are there, as the prophet says.

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Modern medicine doesn't yet know it.

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I'm always annoyed at home.

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- Have you ever thought of suicide?
- Yes, exactly!

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You see!
How many times?

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Once,
I covered myself with petrol.

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Why?
Because of the jinn!

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My dear, take his hands.

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« The Quran is for
the healing of the soul,

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the benediction of God
for those who believe

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and the non-believers
will be cursed ».

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Tell his mother he's listening to the Quran.

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We hit him, we make him listen
to the Quran with earphones.

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very important, continue,
bring him to me.

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You are very brave.
-Dear Imam, pray for us.

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Vertical. The other way.

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Dear Imam, there is
something quite frequent.

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which we came to see you about.

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In France, in Europe and the world,
this problem exists.

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It's a sexual problem.
- It's beautiful.

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If it's an illness,
it's not shameful to talk about?

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No, it's not shameful.

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We came because we heard
that you cure Aids,

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cancer and other illnesses.

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It means that there is a cure
for every ailment.

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Yes.

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I'd like to know,
what is the punishment

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for these people in Islam.

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Those who have a lot of sexual activity?
- No.

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Those who are impotent?
- I will tell you.

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Those who are sterile?
I'd like to know.

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If I don't understand,
I cannot reply.

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The question of homosexuality.

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It's beautiful...

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If you didn't understand the English
word, I'll say it in Kurdish.

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Tell me in Kurdish.

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Homosexuality.

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Yes.

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Is it an illness?

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Yes, it's a psychological illness.
But people don't know.

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Lots of people come to see me about
this topic, especially foreigners.

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It's the jinn in their body.
- The jinn?

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The jinn is in their body,

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the jinn should be exorcised.

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Once they are rid of it,
they will be better.

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The prophet Muhammad said:
«If a man goes with a man

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to do bad things,
both of them must be killed ».

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« If someone behaves
like one of Lut's tribe,

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passive or active, we must kill them... »

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Kill them?

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- Yes but we should try
to cure them first.

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If he is not cured?

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I'm ready to cure them!

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Lots of people come to see me.
fortunately, I cure them.

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The jinn enters in a woman's vagina
or in the body of a man.

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It's not at all a hormonal problem

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it's really a jinn.

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The desire of a guy for a guy or
a girl for a girl,

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it's not the hormones.

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It's the devil.
People don't know that.

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It's my job.
That's what I fight for.

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And the solution...

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1) The Saint Quran, 2) Abstinence,

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3) Caning,
4) Some medication.

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How many strikes?
- 20 to the left, 20 to the right.

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Same as the punishment for sex
outside of marriage between a boy and a girl.

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You must cane the back 100 times

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for the jinn to come out.

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One must hit the fornicators
with a flat stick.

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Muhammad says to hit them
otherwise they start again.

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To cure them,
you must beat them.

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Using a ruler is the solution,
you must hit the back...

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Sorry.
You must hit like that, on the back.

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A man's sperm
is in his back

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It arrives in his right testicle,

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the left testicle
is full of urine.

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The right, the sperm, XX, XY.

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We hit his back 100 times,
yes, 100 times.

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Hard?

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God insists 100 hard blows!
excuse me!

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Like that 100 times!

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100 times!?
- Like that! 100 times!

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And the jinn leaves, once it's out...

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How long does that take?

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Immediately after, you must listen
to the Quran for three hours.

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same for the Christians
and the Jews...

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you must not eat meat,

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during 41 days.
Meat is the food of the jinn.

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I would like you to do a test

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with this machine on me.

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Ok, in God's name...

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You don't have any problem.
Normal!

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My uncle called me and said:

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« God will never forgive you!

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With this shit subject,

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we are ashamed to say
that you are a filmmaker.

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Why have you forgotten the real subject?!

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Us, the Kurds,
for years we've been oppressed

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we are not accepted,
they want to eradicate us.

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Speak about resistance
and the liberation of Kurdistan,

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so we can be proud of you ».

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How many kilometres are Daesh
from here?

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6 Km.
- 8 Km.

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There are places where
they're closer.

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Is Islam different from Daesh?

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Are there a lot of differences
between the two?

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A lot.

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What Daesh does
Islam doesn't do?

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I swear to God, Daesh has no logic.
- no goal.

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No goal, they kill Muslim,
Arabs, Sunnites and Shiites.

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No goal, they don't know
what they want.

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Some of their members were arrested,
and they weren't even circumcised!

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That's not Islam!

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I saw it with my own eyes.

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is there a better religion
religion than Islam?

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My dear, Islam comes from « health »

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and wants health for everybody.

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Daesh isn't Muslim?

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Not at all, nothing
to do with Islam.

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One day, I said to my parents

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that our friend who lives
in Germany is gay.

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When they found out that
I defend homosexuals,

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My father said to me:
« do what you want with your life

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but there should be no picture of you
in a demonstration for homosexuals. »

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I promised them for one image...

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but not for 25 images per second.

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Dad, if you want, your Quran...

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No don't put it away,
you can read it...

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But not out loud, otherwise
we won't be able to hear the others.

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I have never seen one close.

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It's hard. It's misery.

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Mum, have you ever seen one?

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Their families would rather die

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than have a child like that!

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It's a real illness?

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Or not, are they like us?
Or another species...

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Maybe there are people
who don't think it's important!

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It's an illness!

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There are people who understand them!

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It's not easy to understand them!

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If I had a child like that,

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I would prefer him to die.

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Me too, I'd rather die
than have a child like that.

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You mean to say
that you would kill yourself?

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Who?
- You wouldn't kill yourself?

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No I wouldn't kill myself

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but I would prefer to die
rather than see that.

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It's up to God to help them.
There is no other way.

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They should go to a country
where they will be left alone.

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But maybe that's not possible.

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Yes, exile.
-It's not easy.

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Where they give asylum easily.

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The solution, is to take them all,

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reunite them and create
a special place.

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No, they want to stay with us.

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that's a form of exclusion.
Like prison.

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We can create a nation state for them.

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You consider them
like lepers.

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They are citizens like all others.

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We should create a state for them.

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You see them like they are sick.

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No, it's not an illness.

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These women also like
normal women?

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a lesbian likes normal women too?

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They like any girl!

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And when two men marry,

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one acts as the woman?

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That's their business!

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It's not very clear this roundabout.

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Everybody will start doing it.

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And those who aren't
will become so, after seeing the others.

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Mum said, those who aren't will become so
when they see the others!

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Hello My dear.
How are you?

00:19:06.920 --> 00:19:07.920
Welcome.

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I hope that you're well.

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Hello, how are you?
- Hello.

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Take a seat.
- Thankyou.

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Make yourself comfortable.

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How old is she?
-15 months.

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May God protect her.
- Thankyou.

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What's her name?
- Jona.

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What does that mean?
- Wise.

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Don't bother your « uncle ».

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Try some of this.

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No thank you.

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Just a piece.

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Ok, just a little.

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Take some more.

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Thanks, but I've already eaten.

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Tell me if you like
Iranian cooking.

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it's very good thank you,
it's delicious.

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take some more.
- No thank you, I’ve already eaten.

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What?
- She wants some grapes.

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Darling, they're not washed yet,
they're bad.

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Take some tea.

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I think she’s a bit cold

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what’s your name? I forgot

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Kojin...And you ?

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Foad.

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Pleased to meet you
- What does Kojin mean?

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Ko means many – jin means life
« many lives together»

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It’s beautiful.

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Can we talk about anything?

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Yes father,
whatever what you want

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In our society, what people think

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what the sages think, is clear:

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if a boy loves another boy,

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if they have sexual relations together,

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for our thinkers and wise-men,

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it’s not a fatality,
it’s not natural.

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They say: he was influenced,
he was conditioned.

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he became used to it,
it’s not in his nature.

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Personally, I’ve never heard a scientist,

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who can explain that somebody

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is naturally like that,
since birth,

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without being forced by somebody,

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without being subjected to someone else’s sexual desire,

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someone who likes that naturally.

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I’d like to know your story,

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If someone pushed the habit on you?
if they forced you?

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Or you’re like that naturally
and you have abstained up to now?

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Me personally I'm like that
since I was a child,

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since I’ve been able to think for myself,

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since I was 5 or 6, in my memory

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I was more attracted to boys.

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My mind was a little different.

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Later, When I was 8,
a cousin raped me.

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Okay.

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At 14, someone else raped me, twice.

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If somebody was made accustomed to, or raped,

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there are two paths:

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One is human determination,
the spirit and the soul.

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If someone can manage to
leave this experience behind,

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and the other is genetic healing,

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physiological healing, with pharmaceutical drugs.

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Those are the paths of healing.

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But the one which calls for determination
needs a very strong will.

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One must be heroic.

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You have no desire for women
like a normal man?

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Not at all.
-Never!?

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Not in any way!
I never had that desire.

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You never had...

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No never, I have no memory of it.

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I even tried, but I wasn't able to.

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Even if you were with ten naked women?

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Nothing, nothing,
It doesn't attract me at all.

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He doesn’t want it, that's all!
It’s not up to him.

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Someone who was raped,
after reaching adulthood

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can be attracted to a woman.

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But someone naturally like that,
could never do it.

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Maybe they are even disgusted by it,
their brain won’t accept.

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Sometimes they will kill themselves.

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For God, someone naturally like that,

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is not a sinner.

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No sin in front of God.

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If, one day, religious society wisened,

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they also would accept it.

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They would say:
« We like what God likes »

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For the moment,
you, regarding God, you are at peace.

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Even if Muslim society
doesn’t understand.

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It’s not God’s fault.

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If someone asks, in religious society

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what someone like you should do,

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for God, you are free and without sin.

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Society pretends to be religious,
but they’ve got it all wrong.

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Inside, do you have trouble
accepting who you are?

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Sorry?
-You accept yourself?

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Of course, I have to.

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Are you happy? Are you satisfied?

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Sometimes society does
things so that you can’t be happy.

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Apart from society...
- Apart from society?

00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:27.520
Yes I accept myself.

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You have no problem?
-No, I have no problem;

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but sometimes I feel removed from society,
that bothers me.

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And if you were in a society where it’s accepted?

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I would feel completely normal.

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He’s right, he’s accepted himself.
-Because that’s the way I am.

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So, it’s normal.

00:25:50.080 --> 00:25:53.880
My mother had sensed something,
I’m very close to her.

00:25:54.680 --> 00:26:01.040
for example with my clothes
and other things...

00:26:01.320 --> 00:26:05.080
She accepted it?
- She suspects it.

00:26:05.360 --> 00:26:09.520
I haven't told her directly.
And she hasn't said anything.

00:26:10.040 --> 00:26:13.240
But it’s clear that I’m not
like other boys.

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Soon I’ll be 23,

00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:23.560
But it’s clear that my body is not
that of a normal 23 year old boy.

00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:28.040
There is a big difference
and my mother senses it.

00:26:28.320 --> 00:26:30.480
Has she not told you to marry?

00:26:30.760 --> 00:26:34.560
Sometimes, she asked me.
But it was just to annoy me.

00:26:35.760 --> 00:26:37.360
You’ve never done a test.

00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:39.000
At the doctor's?

00:26:39.760 --> 00:26:42.680
Yes, at the doctor's
- For hormones?

00:26:42.840 --> 00:26:47.040
No, never, but I have a friend,
he has 80% feminine hormones.

00:26:47.280 --> 00:26:49.680
He went to Europe for an operation,

00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:51.840
To become a woman?
- Yes

00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:55.040
What’s your greatest wish?

00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:59.040
Most would prefer to have an operation...

00:26:59.320 --> 00:27:00.880
I hope that there’s a cure

00:27:01.040 --> 00:27:03.720
to become a woman.
-Would you prefer to be a woman?

00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:05.320
Me?
- Yes, you.

00:27:05.600 --> 00:27:06.640
Obviously.

00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:09.280
Would you like to physically
become a real woman?

00:27:09.560 --> 00:27:11.440
Yes, with the operation it’s possible.

00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:14.640
Patience is a form of resistance,

00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:17.040
so as to be less sad and
and to have less problems.

00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:20.800
I wish for well-being in our society.

00:27:21.600 --> 00:27:25.680
God is our refuge.
- may wickedness, violence, death,

00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:29.720
intimidation and fanaticism
leave us.

00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:34.840
I wish you happiness, and to have pride.

00:27:35.040 --> 00:27:36.920
I wish you a healthy, pure life.

00:27:37.120 --> 00:27:37.960
Thank you.

00:27:38.120 --> 00:27:42.120
If you could leave,
you would be worry-free.

00:27:42.360 --> 00:27:44.080
Yes

00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:47.040
Inch’allah, it will be fine, be patient

00:29:07.080 --> 00:29:10.000
Now I'm in front of the camera,
what did you want me to say?

00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:12.360
«I am not like that»,
that's it?

00:29:12.600 --> 00:29:16.040
You, you should thank God.

00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:18.600
You defend these people.

00:29:18.760 --> 00:29:20.600
What do you want me to say to the camera?

00:29:20.840 --> 00:29:22.800
You just asked me to say over and over
in my film:

00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:24.120
« I am not like that »

00:29:24.600 --> 00:29:25.560
So what should I say?

00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:28.200
In your film...

00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:31.160
You should say over and over,
me, I'm not like that.

00:29:31.320 --> 00:29:34.280
Like what?
-These unfortunate oppressed people.

00:29:34.560 --> 00:29:36.000
I should say that
I’m not oppressed.

00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:39.440
These people that no-one defends.

00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:42.520
Who?
- I don’t know who...

00:29:44.120 --> 00:29:47.560
How can we name them?
- Say it...

00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:51.240
Those who suffer injustice,
the poor, the unfortunate.

00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:53.800
Homosexuals?
-Yes.

00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:56.920
I should say that I’m not a homo?
- Yes, you should say it.

00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:58.920
«Thank God I’m not like them.

00:29:59.600 --> 00:30:01.280
But I defend them!»

00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:03.680
Can I say it without « Thank God »?

00:30:04.040 --> 00:30:08.080
Yes, you can.
But it’s always better to invoke God first!

00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:13.960
« Thank god I’m not… »
- «I’m not like them!»

00:30:14.840 --> 00:30:18.800
«They are oppressed.»
-«They are poor and oppressed

00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:20.440
and I defend them. »

00:30:20.600 --> 00:30:22.960
They are oppressed.

00:30:23.120 --> 00:30:25.680
I’d like them to live better lives

00:30:26.040 --> 00:30:28.840
Myself, I’m not like them

00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:34.760
but so as not to dishonour my parents
in the eyes of society,

00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:39.120
I say that I am not like them.
Your honour is safe?

00:30:39.760 --> 00:30:43.040
Are you happy?
- Yes.

00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:48.520
But they say:

00:30:48.560 --> 00:30:50.840
“To know sexuality, you must try”

00:30:51.040 --> 00:30:51.800
What?

00:31:00.600 --> 00:31:01.840
Welcome

00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:05.520
I’ve a question.
Don’t take it like an interrogation.

00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:08.600
For you, what does being gay mean?

00:31:09.080 --> 00:31:13.080
Those who are gay, are more open,

00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:18.840
They have a nicer view of life,
they have more zest for life.

00:31:19.120 --> 00:31:21.440
More than ordinary people.

00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:24.200
They like going out. They’re « fresh ».

00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:26.120
They have a fresh nature.

00:31:26.320 --> 00:31:29.200
They get along well
with all sorts of people-

00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:31.040
if they are accepted.

00:31:31.320 --> 00:31:33.360
If they are not humiliated

00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:36.400
with remarks, or stares.

00:31:36.760 --> 00:31:41.200
And not considered as sexual objects.

00:31:41.360 --> 00:31:42.400
Yes.

00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:44.160
So if a love of life

00:31:44.320 --> 00:31:46.120
is present in this society,
what's the problem?

00:31:46.360 --> 00:31:47.280
Society?

00:31:47.520 --> 00:31:52.360
Why does society have a problem
with this “lifestyle"?

00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:58.520
Lots of people say they love life
but they don’t like this « lifestyle ».

00:31:58.800 --> 00:32:00.600
How can you analyse that?

00:32:01.280 --> 00:32:05.600
Most of them are sexually frustrated,
but they don't realise.

00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:11.520
Men here don’t know
their own character and sexuality.

00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:16.040
Some men marry
and do things with children.

00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:17.880
One moment,
let’s stop there.

00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:21.880
In Kurd it’s « Hatiw Bazi » paedophilia

00:32:22.280 --> 00:32:27.000
Nothing to do with homosexuality.
Zero, absolutely nothing.

00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:31.400
Raping a child is a crime.

00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:34.000
But being gay, it's something else.

00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:37.960
I will explain my question to you:

00:32:39.120 --> 00:32:42.320
to be gay, today,
is to be enlightened,

00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:48.240
it’s self-awareness
of one’s difference.

00:32:48.560 --> 00:32:50.800
You say that you felt it since childhood.

00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:55.080
But society didn’t allow you
to develop your awareness.

00:32:55.600 --> 00:32:57.720
Look how they oppressed you at school,

00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:00.400
they harassed you until you quit.

00:33:00.760 --> 00:33:02.200
It’s unacceptable!.

00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:05.080
You must go back to school.

00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:09.600
To develop your awareness,
you need to read, have references.

00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:11.840
You must learn languages.

00:33:12.120 --> 00:33:16.640
The languages of our regions
have not been used

00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:19.640
to speak freely
of these questions.

00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:22.240
It's taboo.
Sex is taboo.

00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:27.320
It’s prohibited.
Sex in general is haram.

00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:30.200
Even between men and women.

00:33:30.760 --> 00:33:35.080
But concerning homosexuality,
it’s the ultimate haram!

00:33:36.080 --> 00:33:38.080
If we look at our language,

00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:40.760
it’s not open enough

00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:43.040
to talk freely about that.

00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:46.040
That’s why, we need other languages

00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:47.560
to broach the subject.

00:33:48.040 --> 00:33:49.920
In all the Kurdish languages,

00:33:50.080 --> 00:33:52.360
you won’t even find
three articles on this subject.

00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:55.280
But in English, there are many.

00:33:55.720 --> 00:34:00.400
On the scientific and intellectual
dimensions,

00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:06.160
and also on gay or lesbian spirituality.

00:34:07.040 --> 00:34:10.360
Do you know what spirituality is?

00:34:10.720 --> 00:34:14.480
Western homosexuals,
maybe it’s new to you,

00:34:15.560 --> 00:34:18.320
make references to the Orient
to talk about spirituality.

00:34:18.720 --> 00:34:19.840
Do you know why?

00:34:21.520 --> 00:34:23.160
American homosexuals are

00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:25.240
fascinated by Islamic spirituality.

00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:29.400
Islamic heritage is full of poetry
dedicated to homosexuality.

00:34:29.680 --> 00:34:31.240
They exist in Kurdish too?
-Yes

00:34:31.720 --> 00:34:33.920
We too had homosexual Kurdish poets.

00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.040
In the Islamic texts they’ve always
been repressed.

00:34:37.240 --> 00:34:39.680
« It exists- but don’t speak of it! ».

00:34:40.200 --> 00:34:43.320
that was the strategy:
It exists:« but you must not speak of it! »

00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:44.120
It's clear?

00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:45.600
In Islamic civilisation,

00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:47.960
there’s a vast dialogue
around homosexuality.

00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:53.400
Now, because of this regression,
this decline,

00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:55.880
we can no longer speak of it.

00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:58.080
Otherwise it existed,

00:34:58.240 --> 00:35:00.560
And including in Islamic civilisation

00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:03.160
It existed.

00:35:03.720 --> 00:35:06.080
In Arab countries,

00:35:06.240 --> 00:35:09.440
There’s an Arab poet, Adonis, who said:

00:35:10.160 --> 00:35:14.960
« If we take the homosexual metaphors
out of Arab poetry,

00:35:15.120 --> 00:35:16.600
what is left? »

00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:21.080
I’m here, in front of you,
participating in this film,

00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:24.320
I'm putting my life in danger.

00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:27.120
Why am I doing this?

00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:29.360
Because everyday in this society,

00:35:29.520 --> 00:35:30.480
I die and I revive.

00:35:30.640 --> 00:35:32.680
But if one day, I really die,

00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:34.480
I would like to have
done something before dying.

00:35:34.640 --> 00:35:37.240
After that I can die, I don’t mind.

00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:39.000
Why am I doing this?

00:35:39.160 --> 00:35:40.720
Because I want to leave a mark
on this white page.

00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:45.960
It’s a driving force at the beginning,
to take back your identity.

00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:50.400
And once you know yourself,
you can say:

00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:55.280
«Look! I am oppressed because of who I am.

00:35:55.720 --> 00:36:00.920
What is the solution to be able to
live the life I want? »

00:36:01.600 --> 00:36:05.520
It’s a simple question
but the struggle is long!

00:36:06.080 --> 00:36:07.920
Now, there are barbarian forces

00:36:08.080 --> 00:36:10.440
that stop us from asking the real questions.

00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:12.760
They stop you too?
-Of course they do.

00:36:13.200 --> 00:36:16.440
They know that you are the key
to a possible opening.

00:36:16.600 --> 00:36:18.520
Without a doubt.

00:36:19.040 --> 00:36:22.440
If we don't do it now, we never will.

00:36:22.640 --> 00:36:24.160
I would like you to understand.

00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:27.160
Either we win, we break down the walls,

00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:28.560
and we talk about serious things

00:36:28.720 --> 00:36:31.360
which bring about change
in society.

00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:33.840
We have the same goal.
-Well done.

00:36:34.680 --> 00:36:38.760
One common goal:
liberation from tyranny,

00:36:39.040 --> 00:36:43.800
The tyranny of customs,
religion and culture.

00:36:45.120 --> 00:36:47.600
To build a new morale.

00:36:48.240 --> 00:36:51.520
I call it the struggle
of the free spirits.

00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:54.400
Free souls, who are not under the stick

00:36:54.600 --> 00:36:57.320
of this savage gang.

00:36:58.120 --> 00:37:00.240
It’s our common struggle.
Not just yours.

00:37:00.600 --> 00:37:05.000
We can't let you get eaten
by these beasts on the lookout!

00:37:05.240 --> 00:37:08.280
I admire your bravery!

00:37:08.520 --> 00:37:11.120
Continue being brave!

00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:14.080
And not being afraid.

00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:17.960
One last phrase,
I’ve said it many times...

00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:24.640
« A long walk always begins with one first step ».

00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:05.240
Mother, this message is for you:

00:39:05.560 --> 00:39:09.320
You could show it to
all the people who count to you

00:39:10.040 --> 00:39:10.880
Auntie Aïcha

00:39:11.040 --> 00:39:13.720
Auntie Wanawsha, Uncle black, Karim the liar,

00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:15.520
Hama the farter, fat Salim,

00:39:15.680 --> 00:39:17.280
Aza the stutterer, and the neighbours,

00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:19.160
the chicken vendor,
the vegetable seller,

00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:20.760
the walnut man,
the yoghurt man,

00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:23.280
the corn seller,
Say, I’m not homophobic like them.

00:39:24.080 --> 00:39:29.720
I’M NOT LIKE THEM

00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:38.200
I have a surprise for you.

00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:40.880
Now, straight away?
-Yes.

00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:43.680
Can I look or not?

00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:45.760
-No, don’t look.
-Ok

00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:26.760
-Are you ready?
-Yes.

00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:29.160
Shall I get up?

00:41:29.680 --> 00:41:30.920
As you like.

00:41:41.040 --> 00:41:43.200
Since how long have you...?

00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:46.480
Since 6 months.

00:41:46.680 --> 00:41:49.760
It’s been 6 months that you...
-I wear make-up

00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:51.400
And you go out like that!

00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:54.480
And I can't?

00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:56.600
Yes, you should live as you like.

00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:58.800
But don’t you think it’s dangerous.

00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:02.640
You’re not afraid of
getting beaten up in the street?

00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:05.360
or being molested?

00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:10.520
You don’t think of
that kind of thing?

00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:13.080
Yes, but not too much.
I don’t care!

00:42:13.240 --> 00:42:14.720
I’m really worried!

00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:15.960
I don’t care!

00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:20.480
I’m happy that you’re so courageous,
but it worries me!

00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:22.480
What I do is much bigger

00:42:22.640 --> 00:42:24.600
than my fear of remarks and threats.

00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:27.440
What is bigger? The pleasure?

00:42:27.600 --> 00:42:30.360
The pleasure of going out like this
is bigger

00:42:30.560 --> 00:42:32.000
than the fear of threats.

00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:33.320
I don’t care!

00:42:34.240 --> 00:42:37.560
And I know that society
will soon consider me a threat.

00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:40.440
I know that they will be terrified.

00:43:23.640 --> 00:43:27.840
When we go out, we’re mocked,
we are ridiculed.

00:43:28.160 --> 00:43:30.120
But they don't hesitate to use us
sexually.

00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:31.800
But guys, I’m not your soap

00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:33.440
or your masturbation shampoo.

00:43:33.680 --> 00:43:36.560
Until 2013, when I had an experience

00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:39.440
with a boy, or my boyfriend-

00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:43.320
I had two or three boyfriends.

00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:45.600
I was afraid.

00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:48.240
I didn’t want them to see me naked.

00:43:49.560 --> 00:43:51.080
I would hide my genitals

00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:53.200
so they didn't see me naked.
I was ashamed.

00:43:53.680 --> 00:43:55.640
After, I told myself that these people

00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:58.480
just want to satisfy their needs

00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:00.760
As you said:
« We’re not their shampoo ».

00:44:01.560 --> 00:44:04.360
There’s no problem,
me too I have my sexual freedom.

00:44:04.600 --> 00:44:07.400
Since the man facing me
just wants to satisfy his desires,

00:44:07.560 --> 00:44:09.080
you too, you should satisfy your desires,

00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:11.720
Me too I should have my pleasure
and relieve myself.

00:44:12.080 --> 00:44:14.920
Why can I not be gay and a virgin?

00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:16.280
Because...

00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:19.840
I’ve never had a sexual relationship

00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:21.680
But when I say that, nobody believes me!

00:44:22.120 --> 00:44:23.520
They tell me "It’s impossible
that you never did it!"

00:44:23.680 --> 00:44:25.200
I reply yes, I’m gay!

00:44:25.720 --> 00:44:27.760
Yes, you act like a gay...

00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:29.880
And one of the things about gays,
is they have sex.

00:44:30.040 --> 00:44:33.240
I’ve had sex about 100 times,
but always in secret.

00:44:34.200 --> 00:44:36.920
Religion has control over everything.

00:44:37.160 --> 00:44:41.320
Whether you’re a woman, youth, man, transexual, etc.

00:44:41.600 --> 00:44:43.640
Religion dominates everything.

00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:49.720
A man sees that you’re attractive,
effeminate, with a handsome face,

00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:53.600
he wants to have pleasure with you

00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:55.720
Men from here want to satisfy
their sexual needs by using you.

00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:57.000
What’s the solution?

00:44:57.240 --> 00:44:58.480
There isn’t one!

00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:01.040
Let it drop, sweeties!

00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:03.400
Where did you do this pretty tattoo?

00:45:03.560 --> 00:45:04.600
Shall we sing?
- Okay.

00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:09.200
O when?
O when?

00:45:09.640 --> 00:45:13.600
O when will the days
of my youth return?

00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:17.920
O when?
O when?

00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:21.360
O when will the days
of my youth return?

00:45:22.520 --> 00:45:30.320
It escaped me,
and never will return.

00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:39.000
This flower blossoming in the garden,

00:45:39.640 --> 00:45:46.920
This flower blossoming in the garden...

00:45:47.560 --> 00:45:50.120
My Diako,
I saw the images.

00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:54.360
There are immoral things.

00:45:54.520 --> 00:45:58.040
Blacken them like on Iranian Tv.
- Blacken them?

00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:01.240
My hair, and my sister-in-law's

00:46:01.720 --> 00:46:03.880
Does it not bother you if I darken them?

00:46:04.040 --> 00:46:06.840
We’re used to it, since childhood

00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:10.000
We don’t support it!
But that’s how it is!

00:46:10.160 --> 00:46:10.960
So why do it?

00:46:11.120 --> 00:46:14.680
So that she won’t be stressed
and bothered by people’s comments.

00:46:15.200 --> 00:46:17.920
To stop the comments?
- Yes.

00:46:20.520 --> 00:46:24.160
Ok, I will find a solution
so that we can both be happy.

00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:27.200
I don’t want to blacken you
like Daesh or Iranian television.

00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:31.480
Thank you. - I’ll try
to keep everybody happy.

00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:33.160
Thank you.

00:46:34.520 --> 00:46:37.480
She is worse than the Iranian censor!

00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:40.320
Every day a new folly!
-Be blessed!

00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:44.480
If the French followed this example,

00:46:45.560 --> 00:46:49.400
there would be no more fornication among men,
nor immorality.

00:46:49.640 --> 00:46:52.040
It’s been 10-15 years
that my wife is like that.

00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:53.520
This man knows.

00:46:54.080 --> 00:46:56.880
My wife wears a Niqab
like this sister,

00:46:57.160 --> 00:47:00.040
it’s what the prophets wife wore,
the attire of Islam.

00:47:00.240 --> 00:47:03.400
Don’t say that it’s
the attire of Daesh.

00:47:03.720 --> 00:47:05.440
My wife is the same.

00:47:05.680 --> 00:47:06.880
Me, I let my beard grow
for God.

00:47:07.080 --> 00:47:10.080
I could have shaved it
and lost the path of God.

00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:11.840
But I swear to God…

00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:14.440
He who takes a different path
is mistaken.

00:47:14.720 --> 00:47:17.520
Last year, we came,
and I asked you some questions.

00:47:18.160 --> 00:47:19.520
You replied honestly.

00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:22.040
There are other Imams who,

00:47:23.080 --> 00:47:28.320
with the same questions would
have gone around the subject.

00:47:29.120 --> 00:47:32.120
So, take my questions simply,
very simply.

00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:33.440
It’s very normal.

00:47:33.600 --> 00:47:35.280
Already, last year, you were like that.

00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:36.520
I’m very natural.

00:47:37.600 --> 00:47:40.560
If men sleep with men and women
with women,

00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:43.640
in a few years,

00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:47.920
there will be no more humanity.

00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:50.120
It’s already the case in Europe.

00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:52.920
There are families where we
don’t know who is the mother or father.

00:47:53.160 --> 00:47:54.720
They have only one child.

00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:57.920
The system is disturbed,
because there are lots of faggots.

00:47:58.080 --> 00:47:59.240
What's the point?

00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:02.960
If you make love from behind
with a man, like in Loth’s clan,

00:48:03.200 --> 00:48:05.680
it creates dangerous viral bacteria.

00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:08.560
The man can no longer hold in
his excrement and urine.

00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:09.720
Sorry, but he will have wind.

00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:10.560
I don’t...

00:48:11.160 --> 00:48:13.640
Sorry, can you keep filming?

00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:14.840
It’s coming back?

00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:16.800
We can open the door if you like?

00:48:17.200 --> 00:48:19.760
I would like to tell you
something directly,

00:48:20.080 --> 00:48:21.200
Why, I will tell you...

00:48:22.080 --> 00:48:26.080
You are the only person,
that I met for this film,

00:48:26.240 --> 00:48:27.720
to whom I can say...

00:48:28.040 --> 00:48:30.680
I am too.
I'm like that.

00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:32.880
The first time I saw you,
I immediately understood.

00:48:33.240 --> 00:48:36.840
I studied prophetic medicine.
Physically, you’re a bit feminine.

00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:38.720
You like to be with men.

00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:41.560
My body tells me that.

00:48:41.720 --> 00:48:44.480
I know that and I respect you.

00:48:44.640 --> 00:48:46.520
You are a respectful man.

00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:49.640
You don’t desire women,
you like men.

00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:50.320
Yes it’s true.

00:48:50.680 --> 00:48:51.840
It’s a hormone problem.

00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:55.480
I’ve something to tell you, my brother.

00:48:57.080 --> 00:48:59.560
As I already said, God said:

00:48:59.920 --> 00:49:05.200
« I created men and jinns to worship me »

00:49:05.600 --> 00:49:08.400
According to Islam, those who do that
must be killed.

00:49:09.080 --> 00:49:10.760
They must be killed.

00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:12.440
I'm known for being direct.

00:49:12.600 --> 00:49:14.200
That's why I asked you the question.

00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:17.560
But Islam offers solutions.
We don't kill straight away.

00:49:18.080 --> 00:49:19.960
In Islam, we have three stages.

00:49:20.240 --> 00:49:22.480
But if this person...
-We cure them.

00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:24.640
But they refuse these cures.

00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:26.400
We are worried for them

00:49:26.560 --> 00:49:30.240
as these people can catch an illness
that destroys them.

00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:32.600
21 years I’ve been working.

00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:33.960
I had cases like you.

00:49:34.240 --> 00:49:35.560
All very respectable

00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:37.680
but who had problems
with female hormones.

00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:39.160
You, you have female hormones
in your body.

00:49:39.520 --> 00:49:42.080
If you believe in another life,
you should listen to the God that created you.

00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:43.720
Okay, one question.

00:49:44.120 --> 00:49:46.280
There’s a light bulb,
we can go there.

00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:47.520
It's okay here.

00:49:48.120 --> 00:49:49.960
I’m an atheist,

00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:55.800
according to some
you’re a radical Muslim,

00:49:58.080 --> 00:50:00.560
and he’s a homosexual

00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:05.440
the question is, how can we get along
without me eliminating you,

00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:07.880
that you eliminate me,
or that anyone can eliminate another?

00:50:08.160 --> 00:50:09.120
My dear...

00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:12.240
The question is...
- how can we live together?

00:50:12.680 --> 00:50:13.800
And accept one another.

00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:15.440
We accept everybody!

00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:19.120
If a human follows his desire, he loses!

00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:22.840
For a human being,
there are two things...

00:50:23.160 --> 00:50:25.040
can we return to the other room?
The light came back.

00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:26.320
Yes, please, go ahead.

00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:30.960
If Kojin says: I am like that

00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:33.040
and I don't want your cure.

00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:34.920
How do you react?

00:50:35.080 --> 00:50:36.920
We don't do anything!
I kiss him.

00:50:37.200 --> 00:50:37.960
Here.

00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:41.280
But the prophet says:
« He who does that, like Kojin,

00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:42.640
has his place is in hell »

00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:44.200
As he compromises the divine system.

00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:47.080
So, you continue to advise him,
telling him: «You will go to hell ».

00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:50.000
And if he doesn't want your cure...

00:50:50.160 --> 00:50:52.560
That's for him to decide...
- Really, you let him be?

00:50:52.720 --> 00:50:54.360
Of course, I kiss him.

00:50:54.520 --> 00:50:56.400
I don't want him to go to hell
as he's a handsome boy.

00:50:56.600 --> 00:50:58.080
He is pure, respectable, dear.

00:50:58.360 --> 00:50:59.480
I suggest to both of you
to follow God!

00:50:59.640 --> 00:51:01.680
Why would a man
sleep with another man.

00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:04.160
He will catch Syphilis,
Ebola or Aids.

00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:06.560
You can't hold in your dirt,
you fart all the time.

00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:08.600
You will catch a thousand diseases.

00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:11.920
My dear, Islam doesn't hassle you,
but it gives you a road map.

00:51:12.160 --> 00:51:14.560
He created you as a man.
Why change yourself into a woman?

00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:18.320
Such people are worse
than animals! Why?

00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:24.640
Pederasty means that girl-girl
and guy-guy get married,

00:51:25.040 --> 00:51:28.080
It breaks the system of life.
They ruin the world.

00:51:28.240 --> 00:51:29.720
People will no longer get married,

00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:32.360
70% of Europeans
no longer desire women.

00:51:32.520 --> 00:51:34.680
They say: « There’s no problem. »

00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:36.920
They've had so many sexual relations
with women

00:51:37.080 --> 00:51:38.240
that they don’t desire them anymore.

00:51:38.680 --> 00:51:40.280
And then what do they do?
They have fun with the young guys.

00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:42.360
Here, it’s not like there.

00:51:42.520 --> 00:51:44.480
You can’t have
sexual relations like that.

00:51:44.640 --> 00:51:45.720
They kill you straight away.

00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:47.200
-Where?
-In Kurdistan.

00:51:48.560 --> 00:51:50.480
Over there, you can sleep with

00:51:50.640 --> 00:51:52.760
anyone you want,
providing they agree.

00:51:53.160 --> 00:51:55.040
Because they’ve had enough
of beautiful girls.

00:51:55.200 --> 00:51:56.640
They've abandoned women!

00:51:56.880 --> 00:51:59.360
Soon Europeans will
have relations

00:51:59.520 --> 00:52:02.200
with cats, dogs, with animals.

00:52:02.720 --> 00:52:04.520
I have a friend who says
that in Europe,

00:52:04.680 --> 00:52:06.440
people make love with
dogs and with horses.

00:52:06.720 --> 00:52:09.600
They’ve become like animals, my God!

00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:12.440
In Europe, women feed dogs,

00:52:12.600 --> 00:52:14.440
and after they sleep with them.

00:52:14.680 --> 00:52:16.360
What’s this system? This life?

00:52:16.720 --> 00:52:18.080
It’s on Youtube.

00:52:18.240 --> 00:52:19.560
I swear to God,
I don’t watch Youtube.

00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:20.920
I don’t have Facebook.

00:52:21.080 --> 00:52:22.160
I stopped!

00:52:22.560 --> 00:52:27.520
People consider you
a radical Muslim.

00:52:28.200 --> 00:52:29.560
What does radical mean? Violent?

00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:31.080
It means...
- Violent.

00:52:31.520 --> 00:52:33.400
Violent? There is no one gentler than I!

00:52:33.680 --> 00:52:36.000
People say that you advocate
a very hard Islam.

00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:38.280
Me, never, me I’m Sunnite,

00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:42.440
I don’t support anybody.
Me I save lives.

00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:47.560
They say that Daesh throw homosexuals
from the tops of buildings.

00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:50.200
It’s true, but there's a system
and a program.

00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:52.120
Nobody’s killed for nothing.

00:52:52.640 --> 00:52:54.320
It’s in stages.
The first step: Healing.

00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:56.600
In Islam, everything is in threes

00:52:56.800 --> 00:53:00.240
Drink water three times,
knock at the door three times.

00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:01.960
Don’t listen to what the people say.

00:53:02.120 --> 00:53:05.680
You say that
Daesh performed these three steps?

00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:08.800
Of course. One shouldn’t believe
everything people say.

00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:09.880
You should go and see for yourself.

00:53:10.120 --> 00:53:12.280
The media don’t tell us everything.

00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:16.080
I swear to God, if you meet them
you’ll see things differently.

00:53:16.680 --> 00:53:19.440
Don’t believe people
if they say:

00:53:19.640 --> 00:53:21.760
« He is radical, angry... ».

00:53:22.200 --> 00:53:24.280
I swear, it’s not like that.
95% of people like me.

00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:26.000
I’m very gentle.

00:53:26.160 --> 00:53:27.680
One musn't kill straight away.

00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:28.600
One must not.

00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:30.720
This young man is homo...

00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:32.480
They come to you to be cured.

00:53:32.720 --> 00:53:36.520
One must do everything to cure them,
otherwise there is a solution.

00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:39.440
Killing immediately
is not a solution.

00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:42.880
If he won’t accept the solution,
then he must go on his way,

00:53:43.600 --> 00:53:46.160
he will be judged by God.

00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:50.480
But this machine, sorry...
this machine shows?

00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:51.920
Yes.

00:53:53.160 --> 00:53:53.880
Yes.

00:53:55.520 --> 00:53:57.360
For you it’s the jinn?

00:53:57.920 --> 00:53:59.720
Me...This dear...

00:54:00.080 --> 00:54:02.760
If it’s the jinn, I’d like to see it.

00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:06.200
Go ahead...Inch'Allah, we’ll test him.

00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:18.360
Yes, this young man is homo.

00:54:18.600 --> 00:54:22.920
He doesn’t like women at all,
he likes men.

00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:25.080
He wants me to give him
permission to love men,

00:54:25.520 --> 00:54:27.240
My religion does not allow him.

00:54:27.400 --> 00:54:30.320
It vibrates?
There were people who trembled...

00:54:30.520 --> 00:54:32.720
Those who have the jinn tremble but
he doesn’t have the jinn,

00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:34.280
he has the desire of the jinn.

00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:38.000
It’s different. He doesn’t have the jinn
but the desire of the jinn.

00:54:38.160 --> 00:54:40.680
All the time he desires male,
and not female.

00:54:41.120 --> 00:54:43.080
You analysed all that
with this machine?

00:54:43.240 --> 00:54:45.920
No, from experience,
21 years I’ve worked on this.

00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:47.720
If he doesn’t follow the steps,
he must be killed.

00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:51.000
Three steps, it’s impossible to
go beyond the first two.

00:54:51.160 --> 00:54:53.080
You will be healed already
with the first two steps.

00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:56.920
But if, after having tried
the first two steps, he continues?

00:54:57.440 --> 00:54:59.960
We throw them from a building,
with a kick in the arse.

00:55:00.120 --> 00:55:01.880
Or they must be hanged.

00:55:02.600 --> 00:55:06.040
I hope that the other homos,
like you, will listen to me.

00:55:06.240 --> 00:55:07.280
You are dear to me.

00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:10.040
We musn't do something we’ll regret.

00:55:10.200 --> 00:55:11.640
We must not think with our brain,

00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:13.000
but with messages from God.

00:55:13.160 --> 00:55:15.720
Islam is the final message
for everyone.

00:55:16.080 --> 00:55:17.800
Those who say that Muslims lie.

00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:19.640
They don’t practice the Quran.

00:55:20.160 --> 00:55:22.800
Where we practice Sharia law,

00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:24.120
We...

00:55:47.600 --> 00:55:50.000
Some years ago, I believed,

00:55:50.720 --> 00:55:53.240
maybe because of people’s comments,

00:55:53.560 --> 00:55:55.760
that I needed an operation,

00:55:56.040 --> 00:55:57.360
to become a woman.

00:55:58.360 --> 00:55:59.800
I believed I was sick,

00:56:00.520 --> 00:56:05.600
But recently,
I changed all my old ideas.

00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:08.840
I understood that I didn't need

00:56:09.040 --> 00:56:12.040
to become a woman because of comments.

00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:15.120
I’m well in my body,
I accept myself.

00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:18.680
Let me be a new gender
in society:

00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:21.160
not a man, or a woman
but myself.

00:56:21.520 --> 00:56:23.000
A homo, myself.

00:56:23.560 --> 00:56:26.280
Because I trust myself.
I like my body.

00:56:45.640 --> 00:56:46.920
Like I said to you.

00:56:47.120 --> 00:56:49.200
Kojin is an actor.

00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:52.880
You, you play your own roles

00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:56.640
You can speak freely
without censorship.

00:56:59.160 --> 00:57:03.680
Dear Kojin, you can begin
your role.

00:57:04.640 --> 00:57:07.400
Welcome, sorry for being late.

00:57:08.560 --> 00:57:10.600
I have a question...

00:57:11.240 --> 00:57:13.280
There’s a word: freedom.

00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:15.640
I’d like to ask you,

00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:18.120
Do you believe in freedom?

00:57:18.640 --> 00:57:20.280
Yes.
- Of course.

00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:22.000
Everybody has the right to be free.

00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:23.560
What’s your job?

00:57:24.040 --> 00:57:25.080
I’m a civil servant.

00:57:26.520 --> 00:57:27.640
What’s your job?

00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:30.600
I’m a Salafist,

00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:33.120
I spend all my time at the mosque.

00:57:33.640 --> 00:57:35.240
Computer engineer.

00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:36.880
I’m a student.

00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:40.440
I have animals. I take care of them.

00:57:41.240 --> 00:57:42.440
Photographer.

00:57:44.640 --> 00:57:46.680
Your sexual orientation.

00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:52.600
You want to live with a woman?

00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:54.720
Yes.
-A woman.

00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:56.360
Without a doubt.
-Oui.

00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:00.080
Everyone is free to choose
the sex of their partner?

00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:01.120
So freedom of choice.

00:58:01.520 --> 00:58:03.840
Yes they are free to choose.
-And you?

00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:06.040
Women
-Exclusively women.

00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:07.240
Only women.

00:58:09.640 --> 00:58:11.760
You said that you like women,

00:58:12.560 --> 00:58:14.840
or that you want to live
with a woman.

00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:16.720
Me, I’m not like that!

00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:20.760
It’s possible that me,
I don’t desire women.

00:58:21.560 --> 00:58:23.520
What do you think of people

00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:26.280
who think like that,
or have that nature?

00:58:26.920 --> 00:58:29.560
Our thoughts about that,
is that it’s not a thought!

00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:32.080
What’s your opinion about these people?

00:58:32.240 --> 00:58:34.880
Man was created to be with woman.

00:58:35.080 --> 00:58:36.680
It’s not logical

00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:40.000
that a man desires another man.

00:58:41.200 --> 00:58:43.160
It’s impossible.
-Why?

00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:45.040
It’s not possible!

00:58:45.200 --> 00:58:47.200
How can a man desire another man?

00:58:47.560 --> 00:58:49.200
The person is free.

00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:51.240
We live in a society
which isn’t made for that!

00:58:51.640 --> 00:58:53.640
Does this type of thing exist
in our society or not?

00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:55.880
I’ve heard about it,
but a person who does that,

00:58:56.040 --> 00:58:58.720
if they fall into my hands...

00:58:59.240 --> 00:59:01.360
In our clan culture,

00:59:01.600 --> 00:59:04.280
it would be normal for me
to bury them alive.

00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:06.080
That’s your opinion?
-Yes it’s my opinion.

00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:08.480
You would not accept them.

00:59:08.640 --> 00:59:11.640
Maybe you think like our ancestors.

00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:13.200
But if I have respect for them...
-No.

00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:16.240
The question.
- Let me finish.

00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:18.080
Let me finish.

00:59:18.440 --> 00:59:22.240
Culture is beautiful,
I want it to exist.

00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:24.360
but it shouldn’t handcuff us.

00:59:24.560 --> 00:59:28.080
I’m free, Kojin is free.
You can be too.

00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:29.480
let him live as he likes.

00:59:29.640 --> 00:59:32.600
Sorry, one moment.
I agree with Govar.

00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:37.800
We stay true to the way
we were educated.

00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:40.440
Me, when I pass them in the street,

00:59:40.600 --> 00:59:41.960
I don’t even want to see them.

00:59:42.120 --> 00:59:45.240
It’s even possible that there
are some in my family.

00:59:45.640 --> 00:59:48.680
As our dear Govar said,
I would be ready to kill them.

00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:50.440
I understand...
Even those close to you?

00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:52.240
My relatives? Yes.

00:59:52.640 --> 00:59:55.760
I respect this dear man.

00:59:56.280 --> 00:59:58.920
He thinks intellectually.

00:59:59.160 --> 01:00:02.320
He thinks like a European.
But you live in Kurdish society!

01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:04.520
This type of thing is intolerable
in our society!

01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:08.160
Listen
- What I say is reality.

01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:11.200
We are in the same society
but with different voices.

01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:13.600
Kurdish society finds it’s form
in tribal culture,

01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:14.720
you must accept that.

01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:16.000
It’s our base.

01:00:16.160 --> 01:00:18.480
We were educated from there
and we continue on this base.

01:00:18.640 --> 01:00:20.640
One second, I have a question.

01:00:21.120 --> 01:00:22.760
Would you accept

01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:26.200
if it happened to your
brother or your sister?

01:00:26.480 --> 01:00:29.120
Me, I would kill them and it’s normal.

01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:32.280
It’s not something to accept or not.

01:00:32.520 --> 01:00:34.880
The person, their hormones are like that,

01:00:35.040 --> 01:00:35.840
what can you do?

01:00:36.040 --> 01:00:37.280
It’s unacceptable!

01:00:37.640 --> 01:00:41.440
We live in a place
where the religion is Islam.

01:00:42.120 --> 01:00:44.920
Let’s forget religion.

01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:50.160
The law... If two males are arrested together,
what does the law say?

01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:52.040
We all know!

01:00:52.240 --> 01:00:55.600
If two men are arrested together,
the sentence will be severe!

01:00:55.800 --> 01:00:56.680
I know.

01:00:56.840 --> 01:00:59.440
If we consider this,
from the law's point of view.

01:00:59.640 --> 01:01:01.080
Ok, the law also comes from the Sharia.

01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:04.960
the law doesn’t authorise
such freedom either!

01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:07.680
It’s Sharia law!

01:01:08.120 --> 01:01:10.040
We’re talking about freedom,
and not this subject.

01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:12.400
Me, I’ve a question for our teacher.

01:01:12.560 --> 01:01:14.640
God made you an intellectual.

01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:16.600
With what we can see from your clothes,

01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:19.520
your intellectualism trickles away.

01:01:19.720 --> 01:01:20.920
It’s a real label.

01:01:21.120 --> 01:01:24.640
Would you accept if
one of your relatives did that?

01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:28.720
A man desires a man,
or a woman desires a woman?

01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:30.440
Do you think you could stop it?

01:01:30.680 --> 01:01:33.080
Me, my relatives,
I’d stop them, I’d kill them!

01:01:33.240 --> 01:01:34.480
Why?
- because it's senseless.

01:01:34.720 --> 01:01:36.960
Just because of their desire?
- Yes, it's an unacceptable desire!

01:01:37.240 --> 01:01:39.200
That’s not freedom!

01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:42.160
You don't accept freedom!
-No, it’s not freedom.

01:01:42.560 --> 01:01:45.360
If I had known we would
be talking about this,

01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:47.640
I wouldn’t have come.

01:01:47.800 --> 01:01:48.720
Why are you doing this?

01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:49.600
I wouldn't have said anything.

01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:52.160
Dear Govar, wait.

01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:55.040
If I’d known that it was about
this subject, with these types of people

01:01:55.200 --> 01:01:56.400
I would never have accepted.

01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:18.880
If I saw your brother doing that,
how would you feel, answer me?

01:02:19.080 --> 01:02:21.720
I would do everything to stop him,
but if...

01:02:22.240 --> 01:02:26.000
When I say that, it’s not to reject you.

01:02:26.240 --> 01:02:28.760
I understand, I’d do everything to stop him.

01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:30.960
But if that’s not possible, I’ll let him be.

01:02:31.120 --> 01:02:33.240
You let him be?
- Why? Should I bury him alive?

01:02:33.600 --> 01:02:36.320
Ok, I’m leaving, but someone
will say that to you,

01:02:36.640 --> 01:02:38.480
and someone else will too.

01:02:38.640 --> 01:02:39.640
How can you accept that?

01:02:39.800 --> 01:02:41.480
I’ll answer him it’s not your problem,
let him live.

01:02:42.160 --> 01:02:46.280
How can you accept it? People will
talk to you about it till your death!

01:02:47.080 --> 01:02:51.480
It sullies our honour,
if people talk about it,

01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:53.920
when everyone talks about it.

01:02:54.120 --> 01:02:55.600
The person who speaks to me,
I'll tell them:

01:02:55.760 --> 01:02:57.120
« leave him alone,
it’s none of your business!”

01:02:57.280 --> 01:02:59.040
He’s my brother, I leave him alone.

01:02:59.200 --> 01:03:01.080
Why won’t you let him be?
What’s your relation with him?

01:03:01.240 --> 01:03:05.440
If I tell you, I saw your brother
doing that, what’s your opinion?

01:03:07.160 --> 01:03:08.320
I swear to God I won’t accept it!

01:03:08.720 --> 01:03:12.120
But what’s the solution?

01:03:12.440 --> 01:03:14.680
The solution!
Me for example...

01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:16.640
In our clan culture, we kill them.

01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:20.000
Kill?
- Yes.

01:03:20.160 --> 01:03:22.600
How ugly!
-And the law?

01:03:23.080 --> 01:03:27.280
The law does what it wants to do!
I won’t accept that!

01:03:28.600 --> 01:03:33.040
It sullies the honour of my family...
I cannot accept it!

01:03:37.120 --> 01:03:38.920
One thing, if you allow me,

01:03:39.080 --> 01:03:41.600
we live in a place called The Middle East.

01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:45.960
If only we could change the
name to « The Dirty East »

01:03:46.160 --> 01:03:48.640
The « Middle of the Dirt »,
The « Centre of Dirt »!

01:03:48.800 --> 01:03:50.760
Why do you go immediately
towards hideous actions?

01:03:51.040 --> 01:03:53.960
I say that I will kill him,
but they are words of rage.

01:03:54.600 --> 01:03:56.160
I’d speak to him seriously:

01:03:56.320 --> 01:03:57.720
« Dear brother, I’ll kill you,
why do you do that? »

01:03:57.880 --> 01:03:58.880
And if there’s no solution?

01:03:59.200 --> 01:04:02.680
Disappear from my sight,
if one of my relatives...

01:04:03.080 --> 01:04:04.240
You’ll disown him?

01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:06.600
I’ll disown him...No,
no, I won't disown him!

01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:09.440
You said: «Disappear»
- Get out of my sight,

01:04:09.600 --> 01:04:11.000
I’ll cure him, I’ll send him abroad.

01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:12.480
Yes they must live in fear.

01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:16.640
We cannot call that humanity
- Fear...

01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:20.120
You thwart his freedom.
- Yes, it’s forbidden

01:04:21.040 --> 01:04:22.840
Freedom isn’t about that...

01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:26.960
« Disown, kill, live in fear »,
That’s freedom for you?

01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:31.400
A man cannot touch the behind
of his own wife!

01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:35.280
I’m finished,
I’ve nothing more to say, bye!

01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:37.960
Thank you.

01:04:50.160 --> 01:04:51.880
On a health level it’s not good.

01:04:52.240 --> 01:04:53.800
What?
- It’s bad!

01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:56.760
I don’t support the idea:

01:04:56.920 --> 01:04:59.200
« Go-on let’s start sleeping
among guys etc. »

01:04:59.360 --> 01:05:01.760
But if you can’t cure him,

01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:04.200
let them live as they like.

01:05:04.360 --> 01:05:07.080
It’s been said they can live,
but it must be discreet.

01:05:07.320 --> 01:05:09.880
Fear again?
- Yes fear

01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:11.800
He has to be like that!

01:05:12.200 --> 01:05:13.920
As society forbids it.

01:05:14.080 --> 01:05:16.760
If neither society, nor the law,
nor religion allows it,

01:05:17.640 --> 01:05:20.520
this person should not live,
it’s better if they kill themselves.

01:05:21.080 --> 01:05:22.080
Push them to suicide!

01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:24.560
They should kill themselves,
not be killed by others.

01:05:24.720 --> 01:05:26.440
I don’t agree,
they should be free.

01:05:26.680 --> 01:05:28.720
There are cases of suicides.

01:05:30.560 --> 01:05:33.840
Only God judges them, God.

01:06:15.080 --> 01:06:17.880
I’m going to show you some photos.
Look.

01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:26.560
That's you?
- Yes

01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:43.200
You’ve already been out like that?

01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:44.760
Outside?
- Yes.

01:06:44.920 --> 01:06:45.400
No.

01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:50.360
You’d like to go out like that?
- Why not! It’s normal.

01:06:52.160 --> 01:06:53.000
What’s normal?

01:06:53.720 --> 01:06:57.280
I’d like to go out like that sometime,
why not!

01:07:05.240 --> 01:07:05.880
I will do it.

01:07:08.360 --> 01:07:11.120
Hi Kojin, how are you?
- You’re well? Welcome!

01:07:12.040 --> 01:07:16.120
Hello.
- welcome.

01:07:20.480 --> 01:07:21.560
Come!

01:07:24.120 --> 01:07:26.120
Jona, say « Welcome! »

01:07:28.200 --> 01:07:30.160
She was very small, like that.

01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:31.720
You remember?
-Yes.

01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:33.000
How are you,
« Green eyes » ?

01:07:33.240 --> 01:07:34.520
She’s grown.

01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:36.800
Everyone's well?

01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:38.120
Everything’s fine.
- Perfect

01:07:38.560 --> 01:07:40.840
Yes, you seem better this year!

01:07:41.080 --> 01:07:43.760
Yes, his face looks better.
- Because you feel better.

01:07:44.080 --> 01:07:46.280
In better shape.
- Really?

01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:52.840
What?

01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:55.120
Come!

01:07:55.480 --> 01:07:59.200
Come with me.« Iron ».
She calls me « Iron Daddy »

01:08:02.160 --> 01:08:06.960
Jona, it’s uncle?
Who is it? What’s his name?

01:08:07.520 --> 01:08:09.600
Your family understood your case?

01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:11.520
Last year you said that they
didn’t know,

01:08:11.680 --> 01:08:12.760
but that they sensed something.

01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:14.720
They sense it, but not too much.
A little...

01:08:15.240 --> 01:08:19.640
They know, and they don’t know.

01:08:20.320 --> 01:08:22.240
They don't bother you?
-And your mother?

01:08:22.720 --> 01:08:25.080
My mother knew it.
My aunts and their daughters know.

01:08:25.240 --> 01:08:26.680
Most of my family know.

01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:29.240
Is your mother pious?

01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:32.480
What do you mean?
-Does she pray?

01:08:32.640 --> 01:08:34.520
Yes.
- She does ramadan?

01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:36.560
Yes.
- Does she have a strong faith?

01:08:36.800 --> 01:08:40.640
Indeed. Sometimes she wears
her veil for praying.

01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:42.920
She doesn't encourage you to pray?

01:08:43.800 --> 01:08:46.160
Yes, but she knows
what I’m like.

01:08:46.360 --> 01:08:51.120
There's no problem there, you can
pray as you are, it’s possible.

01:08:52.680 --> 01:08:54.720
It's possible.
But I don’t want to.

01:08:57.120 --> 01:08:58.240
I don’t know.

01:08:58.400 --> 01:08:59.880
When we have a relationship with God,

01:09:00.440 --> 01:09:03.760
we don’t need a father,
or a mother, or society.

01:09:04.480 --> 01:09:06.240
If you understand the Quran,

01:09:06.520 --> 01:09:08.960
it helps us bear suffering,

01:09:09.120 --> 01:09:12.000
overcome our problems, and
learn patience.

01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:16.960
When you understand the Quran,
it teaches you to be patient.

01:09:17.560 --> 01:09:18.600
Patience?

01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:19.840
Until when?

01:09:20.320 --> 01:09:22.280
There’s no other choice than patience!

01:09:22.800 --> 01:09:25.840
They say: « Count on God
and he will give you patience.»

01:09:26.280 --> 01:09:28.440
Until there is a solution,

01:09:28.600 --> 01:09:31.200
« when the door of hope will open.».

01:09:31.360 --> 01:09:33.720
But father, since the beginning of humanity,

01:09:33.880 --> 01:09:36.440
this question existed, and yet
we’ve never thought about it.

01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:43.280
My son, if we abandon ourselves to sadness,
we go mad.

01:09:44.280 --> 01:09:47.040
Maybe there are some
great religious teachers,

01:09:47.200 --> 01:09:49.440
who could give their opinion
and find a solution.

01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:53.440
Create a solid relationship,
without separation for example.

01:09:54.840 --> 01:09:55.560
What do you mean?

01:09:55.720 --> 01:09:57.960
Stay faithful.
- Get married!

01:09:59.840 --> 01:10:02.280
If someone who has lived in society
as a man,

01:10:02.560 --> 01:10:04.920
admits that he was mistaken,

01:10:05.200 --> 01:10:08.800
that he lied, that society forced him
to keep quiet,

01:10:09.080 --> 01:10:11.160
and that now he has understood

01:10:11.320 --> 01:10:12.920
that being fake man is
pointless for him,

01:10:13.080 --> 01:10:15.000
that he is really a woman,
and he has become woman...

01:10:15.560 --> 01:10:16.760
You're fixated on the operation!

01:10:17.240 --> 01:10:18.920
There are thousands of boys and girls,

01:10:19.440 --> 01:10:21.720
who want to stay as they are,

01:10:22.120 --> 01:10:25.120
what should you do with them?

01:10:26.280 --> 01:10:28.160
A solution is needed, medicine.

01:10:28.520 --> 01:10:30.360
He who needs a man,

01:10:30.520 --> 01:10:33.320
should find a way to become a woman.

01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:36.400
That’s the solution.

01:10:37.320 --> 01:10:38.840
You say operation.

01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:40.520
But those who want to stay
as they are, you kill them?

01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:41.920
No, they will change.

01:10:42.360 --> 01:10:45.160
But they don't want to change,
they want to stay as they are.

01:10:45.440 --> 01:10:46.880
If they don't want to change,

01:10:47.040 --> 01:10:49.240
for the moment, society won’t accept.

01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:51.320
Really,
if I was like that.

01:10:52.400 --> 01:10:54.280
If Foad was like that,
what would you do?

01:10:55.040 --> 01:10:58.240
We don’t have the choice,
nothing can be done.

01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:01.320
Either you’re controlled be your family,

01:11:01.480 --> 01:11:04.480
or you quit your family
and you leave.

01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:09.080
Be patient,
I hope that God will save you.

01:11:11.360 --> 01:11:13.640
I worry about your future,

01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:16.440
the solution is patience.

01:11:16.880 --> 01:11:19.840
Be strong like a man!

01:11:21.080 --> 01:11:23.040
Not all desires are achievable.

01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:27.920
Me too I’d like to have 4 women,
but it’s not possible.

01:11:28.160 --> 01:11:30.400
It bothers me and
I don’t know what to do.

01:11:33.160 --> 01:11:37.360
Goodbye
- Goodbye, be patient.

01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:42.360
I hope everything will be fine for you!
Be patient.

01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:52.040
They won't hassle him going home?

01:11:52.680 --> 01:11:54.840
Who?
-People.

01:14:18.120 --> 01:14:19.800
Hi xxx, how are you...?

01:14:20.240 --> 01:14:22.640
Hi
- It’s Diako.

01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:26.480
- How are you?
- Well thanks, and you?

01:14:27.800 --> 01:14:30.280
Thanks, I’m well,
your number is strange.

01:14:30.440 --> 01:14:33.080
Are you in Kurdistan?
- No, I’m in Paris.

01:14:33.240 --> 01:14:35.360
I don’t have permission
to return to Iraqi-Kurdistan

01:14:35.520 --> 01:14:37.440
It’s Baghdad that decides,

01:14:37.600 --> 01:14:39.840
I don’t have authorisation for the moment.

01:14:40.760 --> 01:14:41.320
Why?

01:14:41.720 --> 01:14:44.440
It doesn’t matter.
I’m calling you for something else.

01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:48.920
I’m very worried about Kojin,
I haven’t had any news from him.

01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:52.120
He doesn’t answer the phone,
or Facebook

01:14:52.360 --> 01:14:53.600
Have you heard from him?

01:14:55.120 --> 01:14:56.720
No, I swear to God. I got married,

01:14:56.880 --> 01:14:59.200
I haven’t heard from him.

01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:01.240
I don’t do that kind of thing anymore.

01:15:02.360 --> 01:15:04.400
I know,
Congratulations!

01:15:05.040 --> 01:15:07.440
But you were Kojin’s boyfriend
for a while...

01:15:07.600 --> 01:15:09.320
You’re not homo?

01:15:10.480 --> 01:15:11.880
Homo?!
What are you talking about?

01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:15.640
You were Kojin’s boyfriend.

01:15:16.760 --> 01:15:18.240
But he was my woman.

01:15:18.840 --> 01:15:20.840
He’s a man,
not a woman.

01:15:22.840 --> 01:15:25.000
He played the role of a woman for me!

01:15:26.240 --> 01:15:28.880
You had sexual relations
with Kojin. He’s a man.

01:15:29.040 --> 01:15:30.960
You don’t think you’re homo?

01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:33.720
Stop your stupidity.

01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:36.040
How otherwise could I have
fucked before marriage?

01:15:36.280 --> 01:15:37.880
With girls it’s impossible
I swear.

01:15:38.240 --> 01:15:41.520
In Kurdistan, there are no homos
that sleep with other homos,

01:15:42.200 --> 01:15:44.480
There are only normal men
who sleep with them.

01:15:45.160 --> 01:15:46.880
Listen carefully, before marriage,

01:15:47.040 --> 01:15:49.000
either you fuck, or you’re fucked.
You understand?

01:15:49.200 --> 01:15:50.240
Ok.

01:15:51.560 --> 01:15:53.000
No, do you understand?

01:15:53.720 --> 01:15:56.000
I don’t want you to think I’m a faggot.

01:15:57.240 --> 01:16:00.520
Ok, it’s your life.
Congratulations for your marriage!

01:16:02.120 --> 01:16:04.920
Please, if you have any news from Kojin,

01:16:05.080 --> 01:16:06.520
let me know.

01:16:06.680 --> 01:16:07.960
I’m very worried.

01:16:09.040 --> 01:16:09.640
Ok.

01:16:10.480 --> 01:16:12.520
Have a good day.
Let me know.

01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:15.880
Thanks have a nice day.
- Thanks, goodbye.

01:16:29.240 --> 01:16:30.320
Hello...

01:16:32.600 --> 01:16:34.240
Come, enter.

01:16:35.480 --> 01:16:36.880
No, come.

01:16:46.280 --> 01:16:47.880
Hello
- Welcome?

01:16:48.200 --> 01:16:50.120
How’s it going? Should I take off my shoes?
- No, no.

01:16:55.320 --> 01:16:57.920
How are you? It’s cold.
Here, it’s very far from my camp.

01:16:58.280 --> 01:16:59.400
You look well.
- Yes

01:16:59.960 --> 01:17:01.800
I can't believe
I'm seeing you here.

01:17:01.960 --> 01:17:02.680
Why?

01:17:05.240 --> 01:17:08.280
You, in Germany!
Me, in France!

01:17:08.640 --> 01:17:11.400
Each time that I came
to see you in Iraq

01:17:11.560 --> 01:17:14.640
it was so complicated
with the administration.

01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:17.080
They held me in France,
in Turkey, etc.

01:17:17.360 --> 01:17:20.000
Yes, and they put you in prison-
not only in Iraq.

01:17:20.560 --> 01:17:24.400
The visa, being blocked at the airport,
the exhaustion...

01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:27.600
I can hardly believe that
I'm finally seeing you

01:17:27.760 --> 01:17:29.480
so easily, without the fatigue.

01:17:29.640 --> 01:17:30.760
You simply arrived?

01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:32.520
Yes everything was fine.

01:17:33.320 --> 01:17:35.800
But I really can't believe

01:17:36.120 --> 01:17:38.000
that I’m seeing you so easily
in Germany.

01:17:38.920 --> 01:17:41.120
In my mind, managing to see you

01:17:41.360 --> 01:17:44.560
means fighting all the absurdity
of Kurdistan.

01:17:45.400 --> 01:17:49.200
What’s new?
- Here it’s better. I followed the GPS.

01:17:50.120 --> 01:17:51.680
I arrived in Germany.

01:17:51.960 --> 01:17:53.960
I went to the police straight away.

01:17:54.280 --> 01:17:56.720
And immediately,
I got a negative reply.

01:17:57.800 --> 01:18:01.520
They refused you?!
But they don’t accept anyone then!

01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:05.160
You have everything to obtain
asylum in the west!

01:18:05.320 --> 01:18:07.440
How is it possible?

01:18:09.480 --> 01:18:11.600
My fingerprints are in Poland.

01:18:11.760 --> 01:18:14.400
So the judge didn’t even read your file?
- No.

01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:17.760
You came with a Polish visa,
so have to return to Poland?

01:18:17.920 --> 01:18:19.760
The reply is negative,
so yes, I have to return there.

01:18:21.120 --> 01:18:22.440
Recently,

01:18:22.960 --> 01:18:27.080
Poland and the Czech Republic
announced

01:18:27.520 --> 01:18:30.720
that they don't want
non-Christian refugees.

01:18:33.360 --> 01:18:35.360
The problem is that Poland
reclaimed me.

01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:36.360
Poland reclaimed you?

01:18:36.520 --> 01:18:38.480
They said, this person should
return back to our country

01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:41.160
and they can ask for asylum.

01:18:44.360 --> 01:18:48.760
Even Polish homos have
difficulties in their country.

01:18:49.680 --> 01:18:50.520
Imagine a refugee...

01:18:51.080 --> 01:18:52.320
Who comes from Iraq.

01:18:52.640 --> 01:18:55.640
You come from Iraqi-Kurdistan,
and you’ve arrived here.

01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:57.840
I don’t know what to say...
- It’s very difficult.

01:18:58.880 --> 01:19:00.840
And your father,
is there a solution?

01:19:01.200 --> 01:19:05.360
Your father, your uncle, and
your two aunts live in Germany.

01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:06.760
Yes.

01:19:06.920 --> 01:19:08.080
That doesn’t help?

01:19:08.520 --> 01:19:12.440
According to my father, the only
solution for a positive answer,

01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:15.440
is that I find a girl
and I marry her...

01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:16.800
Act like you're straight?

01:19:16.960 --> 01:19:18.880
Yes, with a beard, moustache,

01:19:19.080 --> 01:19:22.960
change my clothes and behaviour,
act the role.

01:19:23.120 --> 01:19:24.960
especially in front of my father.

01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:28.240
For your father and
for the German system.

01:19:29.200 --> 01:19:32.320
Yes, but I can’t even imagine it.

01:19:33.800 --> 01:19:35.160
But you must do it!

01:19:35.360 --> 01:19:39.600
If I must do it, I don’t
have the choice, I have to do it.

01:19:43.080 --> 01:19:45.880
In the camp, for three days
I tried to convince them

01:19:46.360 --> 01:19:50.840
so I could have an individual bedroom.

01:19:51.360 --> 01:19:53.320
How many people are there per room?

01:19:53.600 --> 01:19:54.840
4 people.

01:19:56.320 --> 01:19:57.160
Where do they come from?

01:19:57.400 --> 01:19:58.880
There’s all-sorts.
-Only Kurds?

01:19:59.040 --> 01:20:01.720
No, also Arabs, Turks, Persians and Afghans,

01:20:02.360 --> 01:20:03.320
Everyone.

01:20:05.320 --> 01:20:07.720
The office at the camp
told me to see a doctor

01:20:08.360 --> 01:20:11.560
so he can write a letter
explaining that I’m a homosexual.

01:20:11.840 --> 01:20:13.840
Like that, they could give me a room.

01:20:14.280 --> 01:20:15.400
A doctor?

01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:18.560
Yes,
I went to see the doctor.

01:20:18.920 --> 01:20:21.040
He told me « It’s not my job ».

01:20:21.200 --> 01:20:22.800
I went back to the office

01:20:22.960 --> 01:20:25.760
and they told me
« Sorry, we can’t give you a bedroom.»

01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:33.280
At the camp there are people
who humiliate me, who view me with contempt.

01:20:34.120 --> 01:20:38.520
it’s not pleasant,
psychologically it’s tough.

01:20:38.720 --> 01:20:43.400
There are some Persian guys,
I speak a little Persian.

01:20:44.440 --> 01:20:48.000
« Hey girl! »
« He’s like a girl... »

01:20:48.760 --> 01:20:54.400
Nobody wants to be my friend.
They keep their distance.

01:20:54.960 --> 01:20:55.760
Like in Kurdistan.

01:21:00.280 --> 01:21:02.480
Tell me,
why don’t you have a dog?

01:21:02.720 --> 01:21:03.800
A dog?
- Yes!

01:21:04.320 --> 01:21:05.800
Why have one?
- Seriously.

01:21:06.160 --> 01:21:08.520
You often travel for your work.

01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:13.800
If you’re alone and you have
a dog, time passes faster.

01:21:15.400 --> 01:21:17.080
And you have something to do.

01:21:18.240 --> 01:21:21.600
It’s not possible,
I’d have to take it out every day.

01:21:22.040 --> 01:21:23.000
So? Take it out!

01:21:23.600 --> 01:21:26.560
And it’s complicated to take it travelling...

01:21:28.520 --> 01:21:29.920
You can’t always get permission.

01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:35.120
You’re not always allowed to travel
with it unless you’re moving house.

01:21:35.880 --> 01:21:37.120
What do you mean?

01:21:37.360 --> 01:21:41.600
I think it’s complicated
if you travel on a plane or a train.

01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:43.360
No,
you just have to buy a ticket.

01:21:43.720 --> 01:21:47.680
No, you need authorisation,
for example I heard that...

01:21:48.360 --> 01:21:49.600
It would need a passport.

01:21:49.800 --> 01:21:52.520
You would need a medical letter,

01:21:52.680 --> 01:21:55.040
saying that if you are separated
from your dog,

01:21:55.920 --> 01:21:57.400
he will fall into a depression.

01:21:58.800 --> 01:22:00.760
Like me for the bedroom.

01:22:01.080 --> 01:22:03.480
The dog has depression.

01:22:03.640 --> 01:22:06.120
The vet writes the prescription,
and the system accepts.

01:22:09.800 --> 01:22:10.520
Wow.

01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:13.640
Very well.

01:22:17.680 --> 01:22:21.440
Where we live, even a donkey
doesn’t get depressed despite...

01:22:21.960 --> 01:22:24.480
The poor cats and dogs
where we live!

01:22:24.680 --> 01:22:26.880
They kick them,
they’re burnt alive.

01:22:27.040 --> 01:22:29.000
No, maybe in the villages...

01:22:29.160 --> 01:22:31.120
Sometimes stupid children do that.

01:22:33.480 --> 01:22:36.440
You speak as if all Kurds were savages.

01:22:38.440 --> 01:22:41.560
Me, all I’ve seen is savages...
I haven’t met wise people.

01:22:41.720 --> 01:22:43.240
A gang of savages...

01:22:43.400 --> 01:22:46.040
If you talk like that the
Germans will think:

01:22:46.440 --> 01:22:51.360
« What are these people who
burn cats and dogs... »

01:22:52.720 --> 01:22:54.960
Whereas here, they worry about

01:22:55.840 --> 01:22:57.840
a dog with depression…

01:23:00.440 --> 01:23:01.680
Stop...

01:23:03.240 --> 01:23:05.120
I swallowed the smoke the wrong way.

01:23:06.960 --> 01:23:09.200
They think about a dog’s depression

01:23:09.360 --> 01:23:10.720
but not about refugees.

01:23:18.680 --> 01:23:21.480
It’s good
to care about many things...

01:23:22.120 --> 01:23:24.240
Including dogs' rights.

01:23:24.520 --> 01:23:27.680
Yes, dogs have rights
but refugees don’t...

01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:32.080
where we live everything is equal
but not here,

01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:35.360
here, dogs have rights,
humans have rights,

01:23:35.520 --> 01:23:36.880
but not refugees.

01:23:37.040 --> 01:23:40.480
Where we live, not dogs,
nor humans, nor refugees have rights.

01:23:40.640 --> 01:23:42.840
Where we live everything is equal.
- Yes, everything is equal.

01:23:52.200 --> 01:23:53.440
Mmmm.

01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:57.800
I served that for you.
I can’t eat it all.

01:23:59.400 --> 01:24:01.000
No, give me some from your plate.

01:24:01.160 --> 01:24:02.960
No, I served that one for me.

01:24:06.520 --> 01:24:09.360
No, I added lots of butter
in this rice.

01:24:10.880 --> 01:24:13.920
It’s not the same?
- I added extra butter to mine.

01:24:14.680 --> 01:24:17.640
Ok, take that one
as it’s a lot for me.

01:24:17.880 --> 01:24:19.240
Give me some.
- Help yourself!

01:24:19.520 --> 01:24:21.120
No, you know how much you eat!

01:24:21.360 --> 01:24:22.760
Ok let me take a photo

01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:48.080
I’m not serving anyone,
before the bubbles go.

01:24:48.240 --> 01:24:49.640
Go on, serve yourself.
-No problem.

01:25:07.040 --> 01:25:08.480
How is it?
- It’s good.

01:25:09.480 --> 01:25:11.040
It's not bad?

01:25:11.200 --> 01:25:13.120
Very Good, perfect, thanks!

01:25:14.000 --> 01:25:15.080
Delicious!

01:25:19.040 --> 01:25:21.560
It’s our Christmas eve!

01:25:23.920 --> 01:25:27.320
Christmas for the « familyless » in Europe.

01:25:27.600 --> 01:25:29.560
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