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JONATHAN BALCOMBE:
The question is,

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morality as it relates to
the human animal relationship

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is a huge question.

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It\'s the next big hurdle
of social moral development

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that humans need to cross.

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I say next because
it\'s already underway.

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We\'re becoming much more
aware of animal [fades out].

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DR. LORI MARINO: not supported
by any of the data.

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The fact is that all
animals are sentient

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and humans are animals.

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And we share the basic
property of emotions,

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pleasure and pain
with other animals.

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This is the basic
packet of...[fades out]

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BALCOMBE: that
spectrum of experience

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of what we call sentience.

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Sentience means the
capacity to feel.

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Really, it refers to a
whole spectrum of feelings.

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From the agony of the
worst sorts of pain

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to the ecstasy of the best
sorts of pleasure [fades out].

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MARINO:
The science is there

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and it is growing by the minute.

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And we are deliberately
ignoring it

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because it is inconvenient
to recognize it.

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Sentience is a concept
that... [fades out]

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DR. TEMPLE GRANDIN: Animals
definitely have emotions.

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But that doesn\'t mean
that they\'re people.

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There\'s one big
thing in the brain

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that separates
people from animals,

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the size of the cortex.

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We\'ve got raw computer power
that animals don\'t have.

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Animals are not gonna
fly to the moon.

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Intellect is what separates
people from animals,

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not emotion.

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MARINO: It really is the
solution to all our ills.

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Someone once said that
animals are another nation.

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They\'re not aliens,
they\'re not property, uh,

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they\'re not dangers,

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but rather they\'re other beings
with whom we share life.

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Who have as vested an interest
in their own lives as we do.

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All we need to do
is make certain

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that we don\'t become
the plague, the vermin,

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that takes it all over

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but rather make sure that
there\'s always room for them.

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Because without them,

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it would be one hell
of a lonely place.

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JO-ANNE: I feel like
I\'m a war photographer

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and I\'m photographing history

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and I\'m photographing
changes in history right now,

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in terms of animal rights
and where it\'s going.

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[howling]

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Right in the corner there.

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[shutter clicking]

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[howling]

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She\'s such a good mom.

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Next cage.

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She needs water.

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I wonder how long
she\'s been without.

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[howling]

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[quiet growl]

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[quiet growl]

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JO-ANNE: Leaving is always
the hardest thing.

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And leaving is the
reason that I\'m haunted,

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I\'m closing the door as
I leave this factory farm

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or this fur farm,
or this slaughterhouse,

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I\'m closing the door
and leaving them behind.

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Leaving\'s the hardest
part of my work.

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JO-ANNE: What it is is an
emergency for these animals,

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and the activist
side of me came first

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when I realized that my photos
were far more effective

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and got out there much quicker
when I worked with campaigns.

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So for example, when I shot
the fur farms in Sweden,

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hundreds of thousands of
people saw those photos

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because there was a
big campaign happening.

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I just came back from Laos
and Vietnam, Cambodia,

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so I can show you
a few of the photos

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and I think you\'ve
seen some of them.

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So this is where they\'re kept,

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right before they\'re heading-

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you know, being
shipped to China.

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This is a typical facility.

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When people think
about animals in labs,

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they think about animals
in a cage in a lab.

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But their history before that

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and the way that they\'re
raised is a secret.

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So these are monkeys
that are wild-caught,

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often in Cambodia and
raised in Laos, in Vietnam,

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but it involves
American companies

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and European companies who
are buying these monkeys

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and that\'s why we want this
to be a story here as well.

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MARCEL: Yeah I don\'t know,
I... I don\'t know.

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I think this is so powerful.

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That... that\'s disturbing.

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JO-ANNE:
It\'s really disturbing.

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They\'re a commodity, they\'re
not really worth much,

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and that\'s why they don\'t
care about the conditions

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so they don\'t feed
them very much.

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They\'re just, you know,

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the bare minimum
to keep them alive.

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MARCEL: Oh my God, look how
he\'s holding the monkey.

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That\'s pretty sad.

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LORI: And you see,
just bringing that up,

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you see the conflict here

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because these images
are so difficult.

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Consumer magazines are
not going to publish that.

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It\'s so potent though.
I understand.

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I know.
I know.

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It\'s such potent-

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MARCEL: But this is what
we always talked about -

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And these issues
are so important.

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MARCEL: We pick up stories
from photographers, you know,

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that have social
impact, you know,

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around the world because
we care about it.

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But it doesn\'t mean-what
we care about doesn\'t mean

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it\'s going to get
published tomorrow

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or the day after tomorrow.

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And the less graphic
it is, I mean,

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this is still like a PG society

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for a lot of magazines
here in the US.

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PG-13, you know?

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You know?

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Hm.

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Do you sleep well at night?

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JO-ANNE:
I have PTSD.

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Okay.

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Yeah, no I have
a lot of nightmares.

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I would imagine.

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No, I\'m trying to
take care of that.

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I totally relate to that.

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I mean, we have war
photographers that come in

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and they just crash
because it\'s just-

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LORI: Well, and like you said-

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when you\'re there, you\'re
in the crisis zone.

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JO-ANNE: The adrenaline
is insane.

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And to witness so
many emergencies,

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like going to a factory farm

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where there\'s 40,000
pigs suffering.

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And then also when you\'re
watching an animal

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being led to slaughter, and
being with them as they die.

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I\'m not sure what to say about
it, it\'s just what I do.

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And it would-

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MARCEL: Well, it\'s important.

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You know, and unfortunately
I wish every magazine

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would write about it everyday

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but it\'s not going to be the
case, I can tell you that.

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But what we can tell you
is I think all three of us

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will try to get your
stuff out there.

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So yeah, we\'ll try to-

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we\'ll try to get you as many
appointments as possible

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and as you can.

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JO-ANNE: Okay, well that\'s
something, that\'s good.

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MARCEL:
Yeah.

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JO-ANNE:
So let\'s be in touch more.

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MARCEL: Yeah, listen,
it was great seeing you-

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LORI:
Yeah, just communicate

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if you have any
questions about anything.

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Just email me and we\'ll
keep each other informed.

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MARCEL:
So we\'ll stay in touch.

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JO-ANNE:
Yes please.

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MARCEL:
We\'ll see you soon.

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JO-ANNE:
Yeah.

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MARCEL:
Keep up the good work.

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JO-ANNE: I wouldn\'t say that
I take photographs of animals.

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I would say that I
photograph the predicaments

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that animals are in
because of humans.

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When I started photography,

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the success came from creating
a good, artistic image.

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And that\'s still important,

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but not as important as
creating a connection

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between the non-human animal
in the picture and humans.

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The photography has become
a tool for activism.

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My mission in life is to raise
awareness about animal issues.

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There are not many people
working for animals.

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[doorbell]

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- JO-ANNE: Cheers everyone.
- ALL: Cheers!

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JO-ANNE:
Great to see everyone again.

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- Yes.
- You like to cook.

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MARTIN: You know, funnily enough

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I like to cook
for lots of people.

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Normally I have rice
and beans every night

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so you know it\'s, it\'s
really... but I, you know.

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JO-ANNE: They support
documentary photographers

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and they do more than
some of the other agencies

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and they\'re known for that

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and that\'s why I went to them,

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but two and a half years ago

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we had kind of the same
meeting that we had today.

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Oh.

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Which was, great photos, um...

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this issue isn\'t...
on the radar at all.

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And they\'re like,
until it\'s on the radar -

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JASMIN: But how does it
get on the radar?

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Not to make an impressive term,

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is this an impressive term,

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but isn\'t it a chicken
and egg situation?

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Like isn\'t it-

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up to our people and the
media to make it an issue?

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That\'s ultimately
what we have to change.

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MARIANN: We have to
get to the point

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where they want to
look at these animals-

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and understand that each
animal is an individual.

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JO-ANNE: They see the animals
that they want to see,

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like wildlife and pets,

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and it\'s comfortable
to look at those

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and inspires
feelings of happiness

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and comfort and familiarity.

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But the ones that
we don\'t look at

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are the ones that I\'m often
trying to photograph.

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Those who are
objectified in zoos,

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those that we eat and wear,

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and so there\'s an
invisibility there.

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MARTIN: Well, do you want
to talk about the book?

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JO-ANNE: Yeah.

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MARTIN: You came to me with an
idea of publishing a book of

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and with your photos,
and I said to you,

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it will be a very
expensive project,

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we can\'t afford it,
you need to get a grant.

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JO-ANNE: Do you want
to be my editor? [laughs]

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MARTIN: I\'m going to put the
stuff down in writing

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and I\'m going to come
up with a budget.

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- And we\'re going to think big.
- Okay.

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So the answer is yes,
I could be your editor.

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[jet engines]

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[phone rings]

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MARCEL: Hello?

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JO-ANNE: Hey Marcel,
it\'s Jo, how are you?

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MARCEL: Good Jo, how you doing?

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JO-ANNE: I\'m good, uh, I\'m
calling because I want to talk

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about putting together
that portfolio

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so we can get it out
to the right people.

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MARCEL: Absolutely.

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JO-ANNE: I guess I need some
guidance from you

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as to how we do that

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and strategically what
stories we put in there

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that you feel will fit
best with certain clients.

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MARCEL: Yeah, I think you
have great series,

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you know on the monkeys...

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JO-ANNE: Okay.

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And stuff that I\'ve
sent to you recently,

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is the bear story-

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MARCEL: The bear story
is amazing.

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- Okay,
there\'s the mink farming-

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- The mink farming, yes.

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- Okay, that\'s a yes.

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And do you have any idea yet

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where we will try and
send this portfolio?

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MARCEL: I think we\'re talking
about major magazines,

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New York Times Magazine,
the New Yorker,

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Time and Newsweek.

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JO-ANNE: Okay, sounds great
Marcel, thank you so much.

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I need to
shoot more fur stories.

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Not just the mink,

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but the smaller animals and
the foxes and the raccoons,

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and the dogs even who are
kept in cages for fur.

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These places are often out
in the middle of nowhere.

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You have to go off the
beaten track and down paths

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and down dirt roads
to get to these places.

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MARCUS: Denmark, China,
Finland, Holland...

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it\'s, the last 10 years I\'m
doing one job after the next.

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The fur industry says
everything is okay,

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everything is controlled,
everything is fine.

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And this investigation
should show the opposite.

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This whole industry
is rotten from inside

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and this is how it has
to get on tape, because-

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JO-ANNE: And we need to stay on
top of it, shooting new stuff,

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all the time, to show this
isn\'t last year\'s footage,

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this is right now\'s footage.

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[walkie-talkie chatter]

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[speaking German]

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MARCUS: Um, my way is
to really give the media

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the best footage available.

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That\'s the reason why
I decided to take photos.

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A photo can do a
thousand more times harm

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to the industry than-

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JO-ANNE:
Than an action.

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MARCUS: Than any direct
action activity.

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And I have learned
this, for example

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when I worked in an animal
testing laboratory,

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this laboratory was not
afraid of property damage

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because this is paid
by the insurance,

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see, they can pay it
from their pocket money.

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But they were afraid of
somebody infiltrating them,

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taking photo, video.

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JO-ANNE: And that\'s what
you were there doing?

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MARCUS: Yeah.

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JO-ANNE:
How long did you stay there?

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MARCUS: 5 months.

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JO-ANNE: Oh my God!

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MARCUS: I show you just to -
give you a little overview.

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We\'re starting with mink?

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No.
Fox.

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So here we are.

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This is the fox farm,
quite small one

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but it\'s all the same if
it\'s the one with 5,000 foxes

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or 200, it doesn\'t matter.

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It\'s the same system.

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It\'s a farm area,
lot of agricultural stuff

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but fortunately this
farm is located in here

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in the corner between the
railway line and the forest.

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So the only house is
within vision range,

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right here about
400 metres away.

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So they are not a threat.

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The only threat is this road.

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But we will locate
one person here

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and maybe one person here.

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And so, at this line, we will
see how the situation is

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and so whatever happens,

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we have warning time
of about one minute.

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So what time do the farmers
start at this place?

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We don\'t know, but normally
fur farmers are not a job

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for really busy people,
so the only activity,

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the daily activity is getting
feed to the foxes two times.

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So one time in the morning,
and one time in the evening.

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We should be
finished in one hour

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because at 6:30,
all the people go to work

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and the chances that
somebody will see something

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is much higher.

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In case of emergency,
you leave the farm first.

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I will go as last
person and so...

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JO-ANNE:
Emotionally I\'m already there.

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I\'m already there with them.

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[engine starts]

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MARCUS:
So, we drive there,

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it will take about 15 minutes
to 20 minutes to go there.

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Foxes are vulnerable
for self-mutilation

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and cannibalism
so it could be that

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there will be wounds

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and this is very
important to get on tape.

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JO-ANNE: All the stuff
we need to document.

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Yeah, and the ear injuries,
the neck injuries.

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[indistinct
walkie-talkie chatter]

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MARCUS: We will park the car
deep in the forest.

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So this is safe there,

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nobody will make
any trouble there.

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[Jo-anne whispers]
It stinks already.

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MARCUS: The life cycle of
a fur farm begins in March

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with the mating.

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This means that the
number of the animals

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may be up to 7 times higher.

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That means the cages
are overcrowded.

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JO-ANNE:
There\'s fighting already.

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MARCUS: The animals begin to
fight, aggression will start.

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They will be divided from
the mothers from June to July.

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And then for every
fox but the females

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and a few mating males,

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their life ends in
November or December.

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[foxes yelping]

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MARCUS:
Be careful in touching stuff.

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JO-ANNE:
Yeah, no traces of us.

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MARCUS:
No damages. No traces.

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[foxes yelping]

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[shutter clicking]

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I\'m so sorry.

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[foxes yelping]

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[shutter clicking]

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JO-ANNE:
Oh baby...

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[loud yelping]

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[loud yelping]

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[loud yelping]

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[loud yelping]

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[yelping]

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[walkie-talkie chatter]

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MARCUS:
Okay, we should go.

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JO-ANNE:
Yes.

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Okay.

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[mouse clicking]

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JO-ANNE:
You connect with them

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because you\'re
looking in their eyes

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and they\'re looking in yours.

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And I knew actually
seeing the foxes would be-

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it would be hard because
they\'re so soulful.

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Their eyes and their movements,

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I mean they\'re really easy to
read because they\'re like dogs.

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I\'m not there to liberate them.

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I\'m there to document them.

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As much as I\'d like to liberate
them from their cages,

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I can\'t because that\'s not
going to change the system.

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So my role is to educate people.

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And then there won\'t be future
generations of these animals.

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That is really infected.

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Yeah but it shows

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there\'s no medical
treatment of the animals.

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They just survive or not.

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Yeah.

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JO-ANNE: What\'s the
plan this afternoon?

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MARCUS: The plan is arriving
at this very big mink farm,

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getting some good
outside shots showing

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how huge this factory
farms can come.

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[shutter clicks]

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JO-ANNE:
It\'s hard to document.

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Actually.

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MARCUS:
If we count the sheds,

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for sure over
a hundred thousand,

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but it\'s very hard to say.

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A mink farm can have 20,000

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and in 3 months later after
the young ones have come

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it\'s 6 times or 7 times more.

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But this is a top range
of mink farming, worldwide.

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If you look at the
facility, how it\'s built,

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there\'s western money
involved in this.

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Thousands of fur farms have
been shut down in Europe

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in the last year so the fur
industry is still on the run.

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I\'m not sure if
I will see the day

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with the last fur farm
worldwide being shut down.

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Look!
Yeah.

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A breeding card.

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[shutter clicks]

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MARCUS: It\'s one of
the very rare proofs.

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International.

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That\'s another one.

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That\'s a Dutch company.

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[shutter clicks]

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[quiet animal cries]

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[quiet animal cries]

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[thumping]

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[shutter clicks]

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[shutter clicks]

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[birds chirping]

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[cow moos]

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[rooster crowing]

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[clucking]

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JO-ANNE:
Since I was a kid,

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I\'ve always felt
community with animals.

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My mom had 10 chickens,

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10 layer hens
at her country home

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and they became my friends.

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I knew which ones were shy,

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I knew which ones were the boss.

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Seeing their dynamics

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and seeing just what incredible
personalities they had...

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I learned that...
you know, if I went home

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and ate chicken, I wasn\'t
just eating a piece of meat,

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I was eating a little person.

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You know, someone
with a personality,

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someone with sentience.

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Being here, being at the
farm, allows me to process.

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Because I\'m seeing them
happy and it makes me think

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of the sad ones, the sad ones-

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it makes me think of the
ones that are in the farms,

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confined and completely abused.

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Not everybody can come
to the sanctuaries.

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There\'s such a thing where -

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there\'s so many
people that are like,

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all sanctuaries are not -
you\'re wasting money.

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I don\'t think it\'s
a waste of money

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because it used to be
more of a farming world.

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It\'s not now, most people
live in the cities,

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there\'s very few farmers,

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most of the small farms
are getting eaten alive

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by the factory farms,
so nobody makes

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those connections
to animals anymore.

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So they\'re almost
so disconnected

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that we\'re desensitized to them.

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I think that having
sanctuaries is just like

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this whole like...
getting to the heart of,

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these are individual animals

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and they have feelings
and they, like, see them.

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Like who they are, because
each one\'s different.

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Because you can\'t feel
anything for a billion animals

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- or a million animals.
- No one can!

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- Or a thousand or a hundred.
- You can\'t do that with people.

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JO-ANNE: But that\'s what you
guys do, you put a face to -

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SUSIE: A face and a name.

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Every time we get one
of these animals on the farm,

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they represent all those
animals that we can\'t save.

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Um, so we have the powerful
photos to show like

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what it\'s like when
we get these animals

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out of the stockyard and
how bad of shape they\'re in.

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So I actually am very
hopeful that we can really

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make this a very special rescue.

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A girl that we got
was in the sale

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where they were getting
rid of all the spent um,

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mothers, the spent dairy cows.

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The little calf we got was down

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but its back up and he\'s
really, really, really tiny.

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And they just... they
look so terrified.

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Like none of it makes
any sense really.

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And nobody wanted her.

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And I always do this whole
thing about you know,

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I\'m going to vet school and I
want animals that are not good.

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So you can work on them.

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Yeah. But when this cow came up,

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they had somebody
walk up and say,

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like you have to kill her
that\'s all she\'s good for

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at this point,
which is just insane.

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Yeah.

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[shutter clicking]

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[shutter clicking]

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Come on girl.

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Here, I can go behind.
I can go behind.

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Come on sweetie.

00:33:49.500 --> 00:33:51.766
Come on babe.

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[gate latches]

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FEMALE VET:
So what did you think?

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MALE VET: The first
weight was 64.

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And the respiratory rate was 36.

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And the breathing
sound was clear also.

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And -

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FEMALE VET: And her eyes
aren\'t very sunken.

00:34:18.300 --> 00:34:21.499
But I do... I\'m sure she
is somewhat dehydrated.

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Did you detect any
abnormalities with her udder?

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MALE VET:
The appearance is okay.

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There is no swelling.
No redness.

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And the appearance
of milk is also okay.

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FEMALE VET:
Normal.

00:34:33.200 --> 00:34:35.465
MALE VET: I didn\'t hear any
abnormalities on both sides.

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FEMALE VET:
Neither did I.

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And then obviously her
feet are extremely long

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and it seems like,
she doesn\'t have mastitis

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so I don\'t think she\'s
mastitis in her udder.

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Her long, long
hooves were probably

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causing most of her troubles.

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So we\'ll be taking
at least two inches off.

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[beeping]

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[shutter clicks]

00:35:14.766 --> 00:35:20.432
[indistinct conversation]

00:35:20.433 --> 00:35:24.065
[beeping]

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FEMALE VET: His umbilicus
is looking kind of ratty,

00:35:26.633 --> 00:35:29.099
so maybe he was born, you know,

00:35:29.100 --> 00:35:34.699
a day ago or even you know,
today, for all I know.

00:35:34.700 --> 00:35:38.532
But probably, probably about
a day or two old I guess.

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Check the umbilicus, see if
there\'s infection there.

00:35:41.566 --> 00:35:45.965
[indistinct conversation]

00:35:45.966 --> 00:35:50.732
[shutter clicking]

00:35:50.733 --> 00:35:54.199
There you go, you can do it.

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He\'s tired.

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Before I give it any fluids,
I kind of want to know

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what its sodium is because
its been at the sale all day,

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its dehydrated and if its
really in no need of treatment.

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[beeping]

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JO-ANNE: The connection
that I have to animals

00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:16.632
while I\'m photographing
them is one of empathy...

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an understanding that
there\'s a huge mistreatment

00:36:22.133 --> 00:36:25.499
and inequality between
human and non-human animals.

00:36:25.500 --> 00:36:29.432
And that\'s always in
the forefront of my mind.

00:36:29.433 --> 00:36:37.433
[machines whirring and
cattle lowing throughout]

00:37:05.033 --> 00:37:13.033
[indistinct loudspeaker voice]

00:37:16.933 --> 00:37:24.933
[lowing continues throughout]

00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:58.000
[buzzer]

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[birds chirping]

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[phone ringing]

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SUSIE: So this is like
the history of everybody.

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Everybody\'s in here,
everybody has a record.

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So like you can see
animals, you know,

00:38:26.733 --> 00:38:29.465
that we\'ve had for a very,
very, very long time.

00:38:29.466 --> 00:38:32.565
- [Jo-anne gasps]
- If you look, we start from
the very first animal,

00:38:32.566 --> 00:38:34.099
which is Hilda.

00:38:34.100 --> 00:38:35.965
Yeah, and she\'s in here.

00:38:35.966 --> 00:38:38.965
So this, this is the incoming,
outgoing log for everybody.

00:38:38.966 --> 00:38:41.065
And yeah, if you notice,
they\'re like Bombay,

00:38:41.066 --> 00:38:43.965
Tom Collins, Grog.
[Laughs]

00:38:43.966 --> 00:38:45.765
Like, you can run out of names,
you really do.

00:38:45.766 --> 00:38:47.565
JO-ANNE:
Perfect.

00:38:47.566 --> 00:38:49.665
SUSIE: This is Sonny\'s chart.
He has ulcers already.

00:38:49.666 --> 00:38:51.832
I know, it\'s terrible.

00:38:51.833 --> 00:38:53.232
I like how they called
her unknown too,

00:38:53.233 --> 00:38:54.732
that\'s what they
always start out as.

00:38:54.733 --> 00:38:57.932
Number 880257.
She was numbered.

00:38:57.933 --> 00:39:00.565
Adult female cow,
of unknown age.

00:39:00.566 --> 00:39:03.465
JO-ANNE:
Hi Fanny, sweet girl.

00:39:03.466 --> 00:39:05.532
This is your new
home sweetheart.

00:39:05.533 --> 00:39:08.465
[cow mooing]

00:39:08.466 --> 00:39:10.032
MARIO: I think
she hears you.

00:39:10.033 --> 00:39:13.032
SUSIE: That\'s for his
umbilical cord problem.

00:39:13.033 --> 00:39:16.333
That\'s for ulcers.
Okay.

00:39:19.533 --> 00:39:21.332
Okay, he\'s coming.

00:39:21.333 --> 00:39:23.499
[shutter clicking]

00:39:23.500 --> 00:39:25.732
JO-ANNE:
Hi Sonny!

00:39:25.733 --> 00:39:27.399
[shutter clicks]

00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:29.065
You see it hurts, just like
touching that tag hurts

00:39:29.066 --> 00:39:32.899
because the metal gets pulled.

00:39:32.900 --> 00:39:34.199
SUSIE: Would you
like to keep this?

00:39:34.200 --> 00:39:35.232
JO-ANNE:
Yes, I would.

00:39:35.233 --> 00:39:36.399
SUSIE:
You can have it.

00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:38.199
I keep a whole bunch of them.

00:39:38.200 --> 00:39:40.299
I have almost everybody\'s
so you can have that one.

00:39:40.300 --> 00:39:41.565
JO-ANNE:
Thank you Mario.

00:39:41.566 --> 00:39:44.299
MARIO:
No problem guys.

00:39:44.300 --> 00:39:45.399
[loud mooing]

00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:47.466
[shutter clicking]

00:39:59.333 --> 00:40:02.000
[cattle lowing]

00:40:28.900 --> 00:40:32.199
JO-ANNE: Farm Sanctuary
is my home away from home.

00:40:32.200 --> 00:40:35.799
It\'s where I go when
I need to recuperate

00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:38.132
and be with happy animals.

00:40:38.133 --> 00:40:46.133
[shutter clicking]

00:40:52.533 --> 00:40:54.299
Surrounding myself with people

00:40:54.300 --> 00:40:57.565
who are working really hard
for the same goals that I have.

00:40:57.566 --> 00:41:00.565
Which is animal liberation.

00:41:00.566 --> 00:41:02.299
SUSIE: Come up
and stay for a week

00:41:02.300 --> 00:41:04.065
and just take pictures
and hang, lay in the grass.

00:41:04.066 --> 00:41:05.299
JO-ANNE:
How about a month?

00:41:05.300 --> 00:41:06.532
SUSIE: You can stay
for a month,

00:41:06.533 --> 00:41:07.732
you can stay as
long as you want,

00:41:07.733 --> 00:41:09.299
because you need
a break from all-

00:41:09.300 --> 00:41:11.099
when you\'re seeing
just bad it\'s hard.

00:41:11.100 --> 00:41:14.733
Yeah, you gotta lay back and see
the good, and the good is here.

00:41:31.133 --> 00:41:36.365
[wind chimes]

00:41:36.366 --> 00:41:39.066
[rooster crows]

00:42:02.500 --> 00:42:10.500
[distant cattle lowing]

00:42:12.033 --> 00:42:15.466
[bleating]

00:42:17.200 --> 00:42:19.299
Hi Blitzen.

00:42:19.300 --> 00:42:21.865
Hello. Hello.

00:42:21.866 --> 00:42:23.799
I\'m trying to say hi to Fanny.

00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:25.132
Okay, come on.

00:42:25.133 --> 00:42:28.532
[moo]

00:42:28.533 --> 00:42:30.365
I know.

00:42:30.366 --> 00:42:32.432
Come on.

00:42:32.433 --> 00:42:34.965
Hi Fanny, sweet girl.

00:42:34.966 --> 00:42:39.765
Hi, I know where you
were a few months ago.

00:42:39.766 --> 00:42:42.599
Yeah, you\'re still shy.

00:42:42.600 --> 00:42:45.865
[whispers]
I know.

00:42:45.866 --> 00:42:48.166
How are those legs huh?

00:42:52.166 --> 00:42:54.200
[moo]

00:42:58.100 --> 00:43:00.033
JO-ANNE:
Hi Sonny!

00:43:03.566 --> 00:43:05.866
[laughs]

00:43:14.066 --> 00:43:16.033
You\'re so big now.

00:43:29.033 --> 00:43:31.699
JO-ANNE: I\'m finally getting
these thousands of stories

00:43:31.700 --> 00:43:33.433
that I have down on paper.

00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:39.832
The animals that
I\'ve left behind

00:43:39.833 --> 00:43:42.100
are never far from my mind.

00:43:48.166 --> 00:43:51.565
I want the book
to be a meditation

00:43:51.566 --> 00:43:54.266
on the individuals that
I\'ve met throughout the years.

00:43:58.233 --> 00:43:59.865
Um, there have been
hundreds of thousands

00:43:59.866 --> 00:44:02.500
but some of them I\'ve
spent more time with.

00:44:06.333 --> 00:44:07.799
[shutter clicks]

00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:10.932
JO-ANNE:
Well, hello there.

00:44:10.933 --> 00:44:12.432
Thank you.

00:44:12.433 --> 00:44:13.965
JO-ANNE: And some
of them stay with me

00:44:13.966 --> 00:44:17.100
in my heart as I go
forward, doing this work.

00:44:31.266 --> 00:44:34.966
[clucking]

00:44:58.766 --> 00:44:59.999
Teresa.

00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:03.066
[shutter clicking]

00:45:32.333 --> 00:45:36.832
JO-ANNE: And I want to
share their stories and...

00:45:36.833 --> 00:45:38.332
I think people will
want to read them

00:45:38.333 --> 00:45:40.499
because these are really
incredible individuals

00:45:40.500 --> 00:45:43.500
that I\'ve met in
incredible circumstances.

00:45:51.233 --> 00:45:53.165
So... I can just
put those images

00:45:53.166 --> 00:45:55.666
and all those stories
in front of me.

00:45:57.033 --> 00:45:59.199
JO-ANNE:
Hi pretty girl.

00:45:59.200 --> 00:46:02.565
[shutter clicks]

00:46:02.566 --> 00:46:05.932
Yeah, sore leg, always.

00:46:05.933 --> 00:46:07.400
Poor kid.

00:46:12.233 --> 00:46:14.066
Hey beautiful.

00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:20.599
JO-ANNE: And I think
that the stories will...

00:46:20.600 --> 00:46:22.432
will change people.

00:46:22.433 --> 00:46:25.365
And get people
caring about animals.

00:46:25.366 --> 00:46:30.365
So with that I have immense
motivation to be here.

00:46:30.366 --> 00:46:32.366
To be writing.

00:46:42.766 --> 00:46:50.766
[dogs barking]

00:47:05.333 --> 00:47:08.499
DR. THEODORA CAPALDO: Beagles
have become the dog of choice,

00:47:08.500 --> 00:47:10.665
one, because they\'re
the right size.

00:47:10.666 --> 00:47:13.665
They\'re, you know,
around 40 pounds or less.

00:47:13.666 --> 00:47:19.132
Two, because there are enough
laboratories providing beagles

00:47:19.133 --> 00:47:20.699
that they have been able

00:47:20.700 --> 00:47:25.032
to selectively breed over
the last many decades

00:47:25.033 --> 00:47:33.033
for a docile, passive,
non-aggressive dog.

00:47:33.266 --> 00:47:37.199
All of that actually makes
the beagle an even more

00:47:37.200 --> 00:47:40.865
heart-breaking model than
one might already think.

00:47:40.866 --> 00:47:44.299
[indistinct chatter]

00:47:44.300 --> 00:47:47.432
[loud barking]

00:47:47.433 --> 00:47:49.533
MAN: Oh, I know.

00:47:53.333 --> 00:47:54.766
I know buddy.

00:48:00.266 --> 00:48:01.365
JO-ANNE: Come on up
and have a visit.

00:48:01.366 --> 00:48:04.765
Come on, right up here.
Hi!

00:48:04.766 --> 00:48:06.499
Hello!

00:48:06.500 --> 00:48:08.199
JO-ANNE: When it comes
to documenting animals

00:48:08.200 --> 00:48:10.199
used in research
and animals in labs

00:48:10.200 --> 00:48:12.665
there aren\'t a lot
of open doors for me.

00:48:12.666 --> 00:48:15.232
So there needs to be other
ways of telling these stories

00:48:15.233 --> 00:48:19.532
of these animals who have
come from such places.

00:48:19.533 --> 00:48:20.765
[shutter clicking]

00:48:20.766 --> 00:48:22.865
Hey Maggie.

00:48:22.866 --> 00:48:24.499
Good girl!

00:48:24.500 --> 00:48:27.099
JO-ANNE: Maggie is actually
a purpose-bred beagle.

00:48:27.100 --> 00:48:29.999
Not all beagles are
used in research labs.

00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:33.000
Some, like Maggie, are used
in teaching facilities.

00:48:35.666 --> 00:48:37.332
What\'s interesting
about Melanie and Mark

00:48:37.333 --> 00:48:39.099
is that they\'re not
animal rights people.

00:48:39.100 --> 00:48:43.899
They\'re regular, dog-loving
people, like most of us.

00:48:43.900 --> 00:48:46.899
They\'ve adopted Maggie and
their life has been changed.

00:48:46.900 --> 00:48:49.199
Hold still sweet girl.

00:48:49.200 --> 00:48:51.365
Tattoos from your past.

00:48:51.366 --> 00:48:53.365
Shows where you\'ve
been, eh pretty girl?

00:48:53.366 --> 00:48:55.699
[shutter clicking]

00:48:55.700 --> 00:48:57.832
MELANIE: To get Maggie
to where she is now,

00:48:57.833 --> 00:49:01.332
was a long and hard,
very hard journey.

00:49:01.333 --> 00:49:04.065
JO-ANNE: I\'m supposed
to be shooting Maggie.

00:49:04.066 --> 00:49:07.665
I\'m supposed to be shooting!
Okay! Off you go.

00:49:07.666 --> 00:49:09.299
JO-ANNE:
After Maggie\'s rescue,

00:49:09.300 --> 00:49:11.332
she went through a
year of transformation

00:49:11.333 --> 00:49:13.999
to become the dog
that she is now.

00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:15.900
What a mess.

00:49:18.466 --> 00:49:19.899
There we go.

00:49:19.900 --> 00:49:21.299
[shutter clicks]

00:49:21.300 --> 00:49:25.632
JO-ANNE: Oh really,
here we go, here we go.

00:49:25.633 --> 00:49:28.665
MELANIE: When we got her she
was about 8 or 9 months old.

00:49:28.666 --> 00:49:30.432
So she was still a puppy.

00:49:30.433 --> 00:49:33.933
And um, separation anxiety
was probably the worst thing.

00:49:37.966 --> 00:49:40.165
The facility said
to bring a crate,

00:49:40.166 --> 00:49:41.799
that that\'s what
they were used to

00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:43.232
and that they would adapt

00:49:43.233 --> 00:49:45.233
and they would be
fine with their crate.

00:49:47.633 --> 00:49:49.565
She was throwing up.

00:49:49.566 --> 00:49:50.999
She was going nuts.

00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:54.099
She was chewing on the
metal bar, the door,

00:49:54.100 --> 00:49:56.132
and she was cutting her
gums and everything.

00:49:56.133 --> 00:49:58.165
Like, she was going crazy.

00:49:58.166 --> 00:50:00.565
We didn\'t know how
to deal with it.

00:50:00.566 --> 00:50:04.432
So we completely
cut the crating out.

00:50:04.433 --> 00:50:07.065
She has a lot of issues,

00:50:07.066 --> 00:50:08.632
and there\'s a lot of issues

00:50:08.633 --> 00:50:10.399
that we may never
be able to fix.

00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:13.099
MARK: Yeah.

00:50:13.100 --> 00:50:14.632
MELANIE: Please
check all the reasons

00:50:14.633 --> 00:50:16.232
for which to adopt a pet.

00:50:16.233 --> 00:50:18.899
Companion.
I think so yes.

00:50:18.900 --> 00:50:20.599
Company for current pet.
Yes.

00:50:20.600 --> 00:50:22.165
MARK: Yup.

00:50:22.166 --> 00:50:24.265
MELANIE: Please list any
and all pets that you own

00:50:24.266 --> 00:50:27.565
or have owned in
the past 10 years.

00:50:27.566 --> 00:50:30.665
Maggie.
2 and a half.

00:50:30.666 --> 00:50:35.565
Female, spayed yes,
still own, yes.

00:50:35.566 --> 00:50:38.299
Knowing that most animals coming
from research and teaching

00:50:38.300 --> 00:50:42.765
have lived a very different
lifestyle than a house pet,

00:50:42.766 --> 00:50:44.799
are you willing to allow
for an adjustment period

00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:47.332
that may last weeks or months,

00:50:47.333 --> 00:50:51.999
before the dog fully settles
into the home environment?

00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:55.332
MARK: Well, we\'ve done it
with Maggie

00:50:55.333 --> 00:50:57.265
and it was more than weeks.

00:50:57.266 --> 00:50:59.132
MELANIE: It was
more like a year.

00:50:59.133 --> 00:51:04.865
But... I think Maggie\'s
going to be a big help.

00:51:04.866 --> 00:51:08.333
I love the breed and I feel
it\'s been life-changing.

00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:13.132
MARK: Let\'s go get our dog.

00:51:13.133 --> 00:51:14.333
MELANIE: Oh!

00:51:16.700 --> 00:51:18.999
She\'s got a lot of same
markings as Maggie.

00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:20.665
She\'s lighter in the face.

00:51:20.666 --> 00:51:21.732
JO-ANNE: So they said
she\'s had more done to her

00:51:21.733 --> 00:51:23.299
than Maggie did.

00:51:23.300 --> 00:51:25.132
MELANIE: That\'s what
she was saying, yeah.

00:51:25.133 --> 00:51:28.499
JO-ANNE: Yeah, we\'ll have to
find out more about that.

00:51:28.500 --> 00:51:30.499
Wow, she\'s so docile.

00:51:30.500 --> 00:51:32.532
MELANIE: She\'s very docile.

00:51:32.533 --> 00:51:34.799
JO-ANNE: This is so exciting.

00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:37.199
What a beautiful face.

00:51:37.200 --> 00:51:39.499
She\'s so sweet.

00:51:39.500 --> 00:51:41.565
MELANIE: Hi.

00:51:41.566 --> 00:51:43.565
JO-ANNE: What a life
she\'s had, I wonder, eh?

00:51:43.566 --> 00:51:45.165
Like, not much of one.

00:51:45.166 --> 00:51:47.232
MELANIE: Hi pup.

00:51:47.233 --> 00:51:48.665
JO-ANNE: Hello.

00:51:48.666 --> 00:51:51.365
MELANIE: Hey, come on.

00:51:51.366 --> 00:51:54.065
She\'s got anxiety.

00:51:54.066 --> 00:51:56.632
I\'m going to fix this anxiety.

00:51:56.633 --> 00:51:59.332
That\'s it for me.

00:51:59.333 --> 00:52:00.899
Yup.

00:52:00.900 --> 00:52:03.032
WOMAN: You said you were
going to change her name?

00:52:03.033 --> 00:52:07.233
MELANIE: Yes. Abbey.
A-B-B-E-Y.

00:52:10.600 --> 00:52:12.599
Is that for her...
for the vet right,

00:52:12.600 --> 00:52:14.532
with all her procedures
and everything?

00:52:14.533 --> 00:52:16.465
WOMAN: Yes, this is
what she\'s been through,

00:52:16.466 --> 00:52:18.599
and what she\'s been
vaccinated for.

00:52:18.600 --> 00:52:21.732
She was a teaching
candidate for her spay.

00:52:21.733 --> 00:52:23.532
MELANIE: Okay.

00:52:23.533 --> 00:52:26.033
So I\'ll go with you?
And yup.

00:52:27.366 --> 00:52:30.265
Abbey!
Hi baby.

00:52:30.266 --> 00:52:32.599
Are you ready to go home?

00:52:32.600 --> 00:52:35.265
Abbey.
Alright.

00:52:35.266 --> 00:52:37.300
Are you ready for
the drive home?

00:52:42.933 --> 00:52:45.033
MELANIE:
(laughing) Yay!

00:52:51.200 --> 00:52:52.465
MARK: What\'s going on?

00:52:52.466 --> 00:52:53.965
MELANIE: I\'m just taking it easy

00:52:53.966 --> 00:52:55.065
because I don\'t know
how she is in a car.

00:52:55.066 --> 00:52:56.433
JO-ANNE: Hi Abbey.

00:53:00.200 --> 00:53:02.465
MARK: She\'s seems
very good actually.

00:53:02.466 --> 00:53:04.365
MELANIE: She\'s just
like so mesmerized.

00:53:04.366 --> 00:53:06.533
See the look in her face.

00:53:10.633 --> 00:53:13.765
JO-ANNE: Those are
nice photos sweetheart.

00:53:13.766 --> 00:53:16.000
You photograph very well Abbey.

00:53:47.833 --> 00:53:55.833
[whimpers]

00:53:57.700 --> 00:53:59.633
JO-ANNE:
Oh my gosh, here we go.

00:54:04.700 --> 00:54:08.665
MELANIE: Ohhh.

00:54:08.666 --> 00:54:11.199
Look at that!

00:54:11.200 --> 00:54:12.900
No no wait.

00:54:18.333 --> 00:54:20.200
[shutter clicking]

00:54:23.266 --> 00:54:24.699
JO-ANNE: Hi Abbey.

00:54:24.700 --> 00:54:26.565
MELANIE: Good girl.

00:54:26.566 --> 00:54:28.099
[shutter clicks]

00:54:28.100 --> 00:54:29.665
MARK: This is your new home.

00:54:29.666 --> 00:54:31.565
JO-ANNE: This is your home.

00:54:31.566 --> 00:54:33.865
Maggie\'s being great.

00:54:33.866 --> 00:54:36.265
MARK: Let\'s get you
some water then.

00:54:36.266 --> 00:54:37.866
MELANIE: Come on you two.

00:54:46.100 --> 00:54:51.433
[barking]

00:55:01.866 --> 00:55:03.965
MELANIE: You can do it.

00:55:03.966 --> 00:55:05.899
You can do it.
Go up one more.

00:55:05.900 --> 00:55:09.099
Keep going.
One more.

00:55:09.100 --> 00:55:11.265
[shutter clicks]

00:55:11.266 --> 00:55:13.665
Ready?
One more.

00:55:13.666 --> 00:55:16.732
[shutter clicks]

00:55:16.733 --> 00:55:19.232
Good, almost there.

00:55:19.233 --> 00:55:20.732
JO-ANNE: There she goes!

00:55:20.733 --> 00:55:22.266
[shutter clicks]

00:55:24.766 --> 00:55:26.232
MELANIE: One more.

00:55:26.233 --> 00:55:29.132
Up one.

00:55:29.133 --> 00:55:34.300
[shutter clicking]

00:56:12.633 --> 00:56:20.633
[sound of children playing]

00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:24.632
[loud splash]

00:56:24.633 --> 00:56:28.232
[cheering]

00:56:28.233 --> 00:56:32.465
[excited screams]

00:56:32.466 --> 00:56:34.165
DR. MARINO:
The unfortunate trend

00:56:34.166 --> 00:56:36.132
that is occurring globally

00:56:36.133 --> 00:56:42.199
is that marine theme parks
holding marine mammals captive

00:56:42.200 --> 00:56:45.300
are literally popping
up everywhere.

00:56:48.233 --> 00:56:56.065
[cheering]

00:56:56.066 --> 00:57:00.832
Any highly intelligent,
highly social animal

00:57:00.833 --> 00:57:05.732
cannot thrive in
zoos or aquaria.

00:57:05.733 --> 00:57:09.065
We have more than enough
scientific evidence

00:57:09.066 --> 00:57:10.865
to tell us that.

00:57:10.866 --> 00:57:17.066
[laughter, cheering]

00:57:36.566 --> 00:57:44.566
[dolphin noises]

00:57:55.233 --> 00:58:01.533
[applause and animal noises]

00:58:10.933 --> 00:58:14.699
RECORDED VOICE: he squints
his eyes in daylight.

00:58:14.700 --> 00:58:17.299
He has come to us from Zurich.

00:58:17.300 --> 00:58:19.465
He was bought in May 2000.

00:58:19.466 --> 00:58:22.332
He was a big child, and...
he was spoiled...

00:58:22.333 --> 00:58:25.432
[indistinct recording continues]

00:58:25.433 --> 00:58:29.266
[indistinct children voices]

00:58:36.433 --> 00:58:38.999
RECORDED VOICE:
They are known for wrestling.

00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:40.932
The smaller one,

00:58:40.933 --> 00:58:43.765
with a distinctive
grimace on his face...

00:58:43.766 --> 00:58:45.533
[children chattering]

00:58:46.933 --> 00:58:50.465
Another gorilla,
is a year older.

00:58:50.466 --> 00:58:52.999
He is bigger and courageous.

00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:57.499
The white hairs on his back
means he is soon to be...

00:58:57.500 --> 00:59:05.500
[children chattering]

00:59:34.166 --> 00:59:37.265
JO-ANNE: The book\'s going
to be dedicated to Ron.

00:59:37.266 --> 00:59:40.665
He\'s a chimpanzee that
I\'ve met a few times

00:59:40.666 --> 00:59:42.432
that I had quite
a connection with.

00:59:42.433 --> 00:59:43.999
He passed away last year,

00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:46.865
but he spent most of
his life, over 30 years,

00:59:46.866 --> 00:59:50.100
used in research and
he lived in a cage.

00:59:53.366 --> 00:59:56.199
Ron just underwent
so many surgeries.

00:59:56.200 --> 00:59:58.599
He was anesthetized
so many times.

00:59:58.600 --> 01:00:01.165
16 times in a 5 week period.

01:00:01.166 --> 01:00:06.432
And he was kept in
a 5 by 5 by 7 cage.

01:00:06.433 --> 01:00:09.265
And he would um, he wasn\'t
really given any enrichment

01:00:09.266 --> 01:00:12.332
except once in awhile
a blanket or a sheet,

01:00:12.333 --> 01:00:16.665
and even after his rescue
that was his comfort,

01:00:16.666 --> 01:00:18.165
that\'s what he knew,

01:00:18.166 --> 01:00:19.999
so he would gather up
a bunch of blankets

01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:23.233
and make a perfect
circular nest.

01:00:27.533 --> 01:00:29.699
The forgiveness that
he showed to humans

01:00:29.700 --> 01:00:31.732
was really incredible.

01:00:31.733 --> 01:00:37.399
And he\'s such an ambassador
for animals used in research.

01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:40.866
And... I really miss him.

01:01:44.333 --> 01:01:47.666
[honking]

01:01:56.933 --> 01:02:01.266
[pigs squealing]

01:03:08.133 --> 01:03:09.766
[honking]

01:03:12.866 --> 01:03:14.700
[honking]

01:03:17.433 --> 01:03:19.433
[honking]

01:03:33.866 --> 01:03:41.866
[pigs squealing]

01:03:42.266 --> 01:03:45.565
JO-ANNE: You guys are
packed in here.

01:03:45.566 --> 01:03:46.799
[pigs squealing]

01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:48.865
[truck honks]

01:03:48.866 --> 01:03:56.866
[pigs squealing,
shutter clicking]

01:03:57.433 --> 01:04:00.132
[honking]

01:04:00.133 --> 01:04:08.133
[squealing]

01:04:12.766 --> 01:04:16.532
JO-ANNE:
I see you guys.

01:04:16.533 --> 01:04:18.432
[shutter clicks]

01:04:18.433 --> 01:04:20.465
WOMAN: They\'re so gentle.

01:04:20.466 --> 01:04:28.466
[squealing]

01:04:29.166 --> 01:04:31.700
[honking]

01:04:44.600 --> 01:04:46.999
[honking]

01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:52.800
[squealing]

01:04:57.100 --> 01:05:03.566
[engine revs]

01:05:12.266 --> 01:05:18.565
[honking]

01:05:18.566 --> 01:05:21.365
[phone rings]

01:05:21.366 --> 01:05:23.765
SUSIE:
Hi this is Susie.

01:05:23.766 --> 01:05:25.665
We just took in a gestation sow

01:05:25.666 --> 01:05:28.199
and she gave birth to 16
piglets and we had to pull 8

01:05:28.200 --> 01:05:31.765
and they are going
through some serious milk.

01:05:31.766 --> 01:05:33.332
SUSIE: We got
the gestation sow,

01:05:33.333 --> 01:05:35.499
one of the workers turned
in, that they beat her.

01:05:35.500 --> 01:05:38.065
[rooster crows]

01:05:38.066 --> 01:05:40.265
Uh, the worker went to the
police and turned her in.

01:05:40.266 --> 01:05:43.532
The police actually
pulled her out.

01:05:43.533 --> 01:05:47.932
They called us, we went and got
her and then we took her here.

01:05:47.933 --> 01:05:50.165
This is the farm she came from.

01:05:50.166 --> 01:05:52.499
These are the gestation cells.

01:05:52.500 --> 01:05:54.699
That\'s all the room they have.

01:05:54.700 --> 01:05:56.865
On concrete.

01:05:56.866 --> 01:05:58.665
And this is... and
that\'s... he showed me,

01:05:58.666 --> 01:06:00.732
this is where she came from,
so these are her neighbours,

01:06:00.733 --> 01:06:03.632
and this is where they
had moved her from.

01:06:03.633 --> 01:06:05.665
And you can see,
everybody\'s pregnant.

01:06:05.666 --> 01:06:08.799
That\'s one of the moms.

01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:12.432
I wanted to take all
of them and I couldn\'t.

01:06:12.433 --> 01:06:13.832
And this is her.

01:06:13.833 --> 01:06:15.299
Like she had blood
all over here.

01:06:15.300 --> 01:06:16.633
These are bruises.

01:06:19.166 --> 01:06:21.899
And then the top of her
is where the burns are.

01:06:21.900 --> 01:06:25.499
These are all electrical
burns from a cattle prod,

01:06:25.500 --> 01:06:28.265
and then they took a metal
pole and beat her with it,

01:06:28.266 --> 01:06:29.765
and she went into shock.

01:06:29.766 --> 01:06:31.599
And she completely collapsed

01:06:31.600 --> 01:06:33.499
by the time we had
her in the trailer.

01:06:33.500 --> 01:06:36.599
Um, ah, it just doesn\'t
even make any sense,

01:06:36.600 --> 01:06:38.133
that she went through all that.

01:06:39.933 --> 01:06:41.932
Yeah, they really hurt her.

01:06:41.933 --> 01:06:45.132
And then she came here.
[chuckles]

01:06:45.133 --> 01:06:48.099
She was just such a mess.

01:06:48.100 --> 01:06:50.799
To put an animal
through all that,

01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:53.099
while she was like
days from giving birth,

01:06:53.100 --> 01:06:57.832
just because she wouldn\'t
do what they wanted.

01:06:57.833 --> 01:06:59.566
She\'s a heart-breaker,
she is so sweet.

01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:06.066
[quiet squeals]

01:07:18.566 --> 01:07:22.299
JO-ANNE: Everyone
go say hi to mommy!

01:07:22.300 --> 01:07:25.066
[squealing]

01:07:30.833 --> 01:07:36.899
[shutter clicking]

01:07:36.900 --> 01:07:38.565
SUSIE: When I talked to
this guy, it was crazy.

01:07:38.566 --> 01:07:41.665
He said... I said how long
do you keep your sows

01:07:41.666 --> 01:07:43.232
and he said, oh I never keep
them more than 2 years,

01:07:43.233 --> 01:07:44.799
like he\'s doing them
a favour, which he is,

01:07:44.800 --> 01:07:46.799
but that means they
go to slaughter.

01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:50.065
So it\'s like, so they don\'t even
get to live more than 2 years.

01:07:50.066 --> 01:07:52.565
But they\'re impregnated
two and a half times a year.

01:07:52.566 --> 01:07:55.665
Yeah, because they\'re
a 144 day cycle.

01:07:55.666 --> 01:07:58.500
Yeah, it\'s one of the most
horrible... they\'re machines.

01:08:02.566 --> 01:08:04.465
JO-ANNE: How big
are they gonna be?

01:08:04.466 --> 01:08:07.532
SUSIE: Um, the boys will
be like 800 pounds (laughs)

01:08:07.533 --> 01:08:11.199
and the girls, will be like 6.

01:08:11.200 --> 01:08:14.399
JO-ANNE:
Come on! Come on!

01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:16.199
[squealing]

01:08:16.200 --> 01:08:18.233
Oh you got milk all over you.

01:08:22.800 --> 01:08:30.800
[squealing]

01:08:32.933 --> 01:08:37.465
JO-ANNE: You are so silly!
(laughs)

01:08:37.466 --> 01:08:41.565
SUSIE: There we go.

01:08:41.566 --> 01:08:44.066
(laughs)

01:09:13.666 --> 01:09:17.765
[jet engine]

01:09:17.766 --> 01:09:20.300
[elevator door rings]

01:09:30.466 --> 01:09:32.965
[elevator door rings]

01:09:32.966 --> 01:09:36.165
JO-ANNE: Hi.
I\'m here to see Marcel.

01:09:36.166 --> 01:09:37.866
Great, thanks.

01:09:43.266 --> 01:09:44.599
JO-ANNE: Nice to see you!

01:09:44.600 --> 01:09:47.265
MARCEL: Give me a hug,
good to see you.

01:09:47.266 --> 01:09:51.465
We have an editor from
Newsweek coming in.

01:09:51.466 --> 01:09:54.165
JO-ANNE: Hi Jamie.
I\'m Jo-Anne.

01:09:54.166 --> 01:09:55.332
JAMIE: Pleasure,
thank you for waiting.

01:09:55.333 --> 01:09:57.133
I\'m sorry it took me forever.

01:09:58.600 --> 01:10:00.299
Good to see you.

01:10:00.300 --> 01:10:01.965
You\'re in Toronto

01:10:01.966 --> 01:10:04.265
but you spend 6 months
a year pursuing this issue.

01:10:04.266 --> 01:10:05.965
JO-ANNE: Yeah, that\'s the
thing I have a huge archive,

01:10:05.966 --> 01:10:07.632
10 years worth,

01:10:07.633 --> 01:10:10.165
of our relationships with
animals around the globe.

01:10:10.166 --> 01:10:12.199
And uh...

01:10:12.200 --> 01:10:14.665
[whispers]
I\'m trying to save the world.

01:10:14.666 --> 01:10:16.199
JAMES: Yeah, but there\'s
nothing wrong with that.

01:10:16.200 --> 01:10:18.532
That\'s why I do what I do.

01:10:18.533 --> 01:10:20.999
Even though often
I look at issues

01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:24.865
which are about
torment and loss,

01:10:24.866 --> 01:10:27.532
even aggression and sadness.

01:10:27.533 --> 01:10:29.699
But unless we expose
those to the world

01:10:29.700 --> 01:10:32.199
what chance do we have
to engage in conversation

01:10:32.200 --> 01:10:34.665
to figure out ways
to save the world.

01:10:34.666 --> 01:10:36.532
JO-ANNE: So that\'s
what I\'m doing,

01:10:36.533 --> 01:10:40.199
photographing these topics
but it\'s an invisible war.

01:10:40.200 --> 01:10:42.165
And it\'s a war against animals.

01:10:42.166 --> 01:10:44.499
JAMES: Very powerful.
JO-ANNE: Thank you.

01:10:44.500 --> 01:10:47.099
JAMES: Very upsetting.
Strong though, visually.

01:10:47.100 --> 01:10:48.699
It\'s very strong.

01:10:48.700 --> 01:10:50.299
JO-ANNE: And I\'m looking
at stuff closer to home,

01:10:50.300 --> 01:10:51.932
stuff that\'s really invisible.

01:10:51.933 --> 01:10:53.432
JAMES: Such as?

01:10:53.433 --> 01:10:54.965
JO-ANNE: Like factory farming,

01:10:54.966 --> 01:10:57.765
because the highest number
of animals in the world

01:10:57.766 --> 01:11:00.665
are suffering the worst fates.

01:11:00.666 --> 01:11:05.232
So this is the day in the life
of a veal and dairy farm.

01:11:05.233 --> 01:11:09.532
JAMES: New York is a huge
dairy state by the way.

01:11:09.533 --> 01:11:11.565
JO-ANNE: And this
is like organic,

01:11:11.566 --> 01:11:16.032
humanely raised animals.

01:11:16.033 --> 01:11:18.832
I\'m trying to show the industry
of it even at the small...

01:11:18.833 --> 01:11:20.199
JAMES: It\'s very good.

01:11:20.200 --> 01:11:22.532
JO-ANNE: small farms.

01:11:22.533 --> 01:11:28.165
JAMES: But milk is... that\'s
slightly different for you

01:11:28.166 --> 01:11:30.499
than butchering them?

01:11:30.500 --> 01:11:31.932
Or is it kind of similar...

01:11:31.933 --> 01:11:33.565
JO-ANNE: No, they get
butchered eventually

01:11:33.566 --> 01:11:35.732
and like these dairy
cows can live 20 years

01:11:35.733 --> 01:11:38.199
but they usually get
butchered at 3 or 4 years old

01:11:38.200 --> 01:11:41.032
because their bodies are
just completely spent.

01:11:41.033 --> 01:11:43.332
And actually a lot of
people go vegetarian

01:11:43.333 --> 01:11:45.865
and they cut out like the
red meats and the chickens

01:11:45.866 --> 01:11:47.732
and um, for ethical reasons.

01:11:47.733 --> 01:11:49.399
JAMES: And then sit around
and eat lobster or something.

01:11:49.400 --> 01:11:53.032
- Or they continue to eat
dairy and um, eggs...

01:11:53.033 --> 01:11:54.665
- Ice cream for instance.

01:11:54.666 --> 01:11:56.732
JO-ANNE: But those are actually
the cruelest industries,

01:11:56.733 --> 01:11:58.932
much crueler, because of the
confinement of the animals

01:11:58.933 --> 01:12:00.232
and their babies are taken away

01:12:00.233 --> 01:12:02.165
and how quickly
they get slaughtered

01:12:02.166 --> 01:12:04.132
and the way their bodies are
super abused so if you\'re...

01:12:04.133 --> 01:12:05.899
JAMES: That\'s the
hormone thing then.

01:12:05.900 --> 01:12:07.932
JO-ANNE: No, not even.
Not even.

01:12:07.933 --> 01:12:09.599
Like layer hens
have the worst...

01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:10.965
JAMES: How long have
you been a vegan?

01:12:10.966 --> 01:12:12.565
Almost 10 years.

01:12:12.566 --> 01:12:14.465
- When you talk about
the number of animals

01:12:14.466 --> 01:12:16.565
which are killed a
year to be consumed,

01:12:16.566 --> 01:12:17.899
how many are you talking about?

01:12:17.900 --> 01:12:19.899
JO-ANNE: Around 10 billion

01:12:19.900 --> 01:12:21.665
10 billion animals
a year for food.

01:12:21.666 --> 01:12:24.165
Animals which are way higher.

01:12:24.166 --> 01:12:25.632
The numbers are way higher.

01:12:25.633 --> 01:12:27.299
The ones that are killed
and caught in nets.

01:12:27.300 --> 01:12:28.300
JAMES: In the nets.

01:12:28.301 --> 01:12:29.665
And what would you do next

01:12:29.666 --> 01:12:31.465
if you could go out
and do any story?

01:12:31.466 --> 01:12:32.965
Where would it be?

01:12:32.966 --> 01:12:36.332
JO-ANNE: Uh, actually...

01:12:36.333 --> 01:12:39.965
it needs to be where there\'s
concentrated suffering.

01:12:39.966 --> 01:12:42.065
JAMES: Where would that be?

01:12:42.066 --> 01:12:44.799
JO-ANNE: Developed countries
with factory farming.

01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:48.099
And I would also like
to get assignments

01:12:48.100 --> 01:12:49.665
doing this kind of thing.

01:12:49.666 --> 01:12:52.965
I want... I need to spend time
getting myself out there

01:12:52.966 --> 01:12:55.332
so that publications think of me
when they have an animal story.

01:12:55.333 --> 01:12:59.065
JAMES: Well, you have to go and
visit places about your work.

01:12:59.066 --> 01:13:01.165
- And I need to be doing
more of this, so...

01:13:01.166 --> 01:13:03.399
- I would say so.

01:13:03.400 --> 01:13:05.565
I mean this is
your cause in life.

01:13:05.566 --> 01:13:08.133
You have...
you have to push it.

01:13:14.733 --> 01:13:17.165
JAMES: People will
continue to do this story

01:13:17.166 --> 01:13:20.065
and it\'s important that they
know that you\'ve been doing it.

01:13:20.066 --> 01:13:22.999
You have to make people aware
that you\'re doing this work.

01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:24.665
JO-ANNE: One of my
challenges is that -

01:13:24.666 --> 01:13:26.465
JAMES: If you run a story
in the New York Times

01:13:26.466 --> 01:13:30.199
or the Wall Street Journal,
a lot of people would see it.

01:13:30.200 --> 01:13:31.999
JO-ANNE: I know.

01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:33.532
JAMES: And it\'s very,
very important,

01:13:33.533 --> 01:13:37.366
not just for you but
obviously for... the issue.

01:13:41.866 --> 01:13:45.465
JAMES: So after having done
years and years of this work,

01:13:45.466 --> 01:13:50.132
what\'s your feeling about
your fellow human being?

01:13:50.133 --> 01:13:51.532
JO-ANNE: I can\'t spend
a lot of time thinking

01:13:51.533 --> 01:13:53.532
why, why, why are we like this

01:13:53.533 --> 01:13:56.199
because I don\'t have an answer
and there\'s not an easy one.

01:13:56.200 --> 01:13:58.165
So my job is to take
the pictures, and...

01:13:58.166 --> 01:14:00.499
JAMES: Yeah, but since you
are taking the pictures

01:14:00.500 --> 01:14:03.465
and you are endowing yourself
with a certain amount

01:14:03.466 --> 01:14:06.399
of responsibility on this
issue, you have a lot more

01:14:06.400 --> 01:14:08.766
than you\'re actually giving
yourself credit for.

01:14:34.766 --> 01:14:38.065
JAMES: I\'m always fascinated
by the fact that... you know,

01:14:38.066 --> 01:14:41.800
how do you change something
that\'s so culturally engrained?

01:14:55.733 --> 01:15:03.700
[sizzling]

01:15:40.833 --> 01:15:44.633
[indistinct noises and chatter]

01:15:56.266 --> 01:15:58.265
DR. GRANDIN: I think
that we can use animals

01:15:58.266 --> 01:16:00.032
in an ethical manner for food.

01:16:00.033 --> 01:16:02.432
There\'s many animals that
if we didn\'t breed them

01:16:02.433 --> 01:16:04.065
they wouldn\'t be here,

01:16:04.066 --> 01:16:08.165
but we must give that
animal a life worth living.

01:16:08.166 --> 01:16:10.165
About 50 percent of the cattle

01:16:10.166 --> 01:16:12.232
in the US, Canada and Australia,

01:16:12.233 --> 01:16:15.232
when they go to the very
large slaughter plants

01:16:15.233 --> 01:16:18.165
are handled in my center
track restrainer system.

01:16:18.166 --> 01:16:22.499
And I often get asked, do
big plants really work well?

01:16:22.500 --> 01:16:26.732
Big plants can work just fine,
if equipment is set up right.

01:16:26.733 --> 01:16:28.665
You\'ve got to make sure
you don\'t under-staff

01:16:28.666 --> 01:16:31.165
and overload equipment.

01:16:31.166 --> 01:16:35.065
These are my drawings that
I hand-drafted myself.

01:16:35.066 --> 01:16:38.532
We\'ve got 2 curved
cattle handling systems,

01:16:38.533 --> 01:16:40.699
and you might wonder,
why are they curved?

01:16:40.700 --> 01:16:42.199
Cattle have a natural tendency

01:16:42.200 --> 01:16:44.565
to want to go back to
where they come from.

01:16:44.566 --> 01:16:46.599
So you could use that behaviour

01:16:46.600 --> 01:16:49.899
to help you get the animals
through the system.

01:16:49.900 --> 01:16:51.732
One of the things that
was really important

01:16:51.733 --> 01:16:54.499
is looking at what
are the cattle seeing.

01:16:54.500 --> 01:16:56.499
They see people walking
by, they won\'t go in.

01:16:56.500 --> 01:16:58.832
The entrance is too dark,
they won\'t go in.

01:16:58.833 --> 01:17:00.665
You\'ve got to light up
the entrance just right.

01:17:00.666 --> 01:17:02.132
You can\'t have
reflections on it.

01:17:02.133 --> 01:17:03.999
You\'ve got to have
a non-slip floor.

01:17:04.000 --> 01:17:06.399
You\'ve got to block the vision
in just the right places.

01:17:06.400 --> 01:17:08.299
Details of design are important.

01:17:08.300 --> 01:17:11.599
Also, since the system is
about 7 feet off the ground,

01:17:11.600 --> 01:17:13.732
you\'ve got to put
in a fault floor

01:17:13.733 --> 01:17:16.432
so the animals don\'t see
the visual cliff effect.

01:17:16.433 --> 01:17:18.632
With cattle, it\'s all
about what they see.

01:17:18.633 --> 01:17:21.465
You control what they see, and
they\'re on a non-slip surface,

01:17:21.466 --> 01:17:24.232
then they\'ll walk right in.

01:17:24.233 --> 01:17:26.399
I think slaughter plants
should have glass walls.

01:17:26.400 --> 01:17:28.899
I\'ve taken lots of people
through large slaughter plants

01:17:28.900 --> 01:17:30.465
when they\'re working right.

01:17:30.466 --> 01:17:32.432
And I have them watch the
cattle going up the ramp

01:17:32.433 --> 01:17:34.165
and they kind of go,

01:17:34.166 --> 01:17:36.599
oh I can\'t believe how
quietly they go up the ramp.

01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:39.665
Now one of the ways you could
give them glass walls is video.

01:17:39.666 --> 01:17:41.599
You could just stream
it out to the Internet.

01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:49.600
[machines whirring]

01:18:00.066 --> 01:18:02.833
[cattle lowing]

01:18:47.200 --> 01:18:50.865
JO-ANNE: Susie,
where are ya?

01:18:50.866 --> 01:18:54.199
Hello, well look at this place!

01:18:54.200 --> 01:18:56.833
[laughing]

01:19:06.033 --> 01:19:09.599
[moo]

01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:11.433
[whistles]

01:19:27.033 --> 01:19:28.532
JO-ANNE: How\'s Fanny?

01:19:28.533 --> 01:19:29.699
SUSIE: Fanny\'s good.

01:19:29.700 --> 01:19:30.965
JO-ANNE: Does she still kick?

01:19:30.966 --> 01:19:33.032
SUSIE: Yeah she
sometimes kicks the leg.

01:19:33.033 --> 01:19:35.699
Yeah, so she\'s always
going to have hoof problems

01:19:35.700 --> 01:19:37.199
for the rest of her life
because they were bad

01:19:37.200 --> 01:19:38.965
and she\'s always going
to have arthritis.

01:19:38.966 --> 01:19:43.699
Hi Fanny sweet girl.

01:19:43.700 --> 01:19:45.366
Hi!

01:19:49.966 --> 01:19:51.900
I\'m going to go say
hi to everyone else.

01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:00.932
SUSIE:
Sonny!

01:20:00.933 --> 01:20:03.765
(whistles)
SONNY!

01:20:03.766 --> 01:20:05.232
JO-ANNE: Is Sonny
growing healthy?

01:20:05.233 --> 01:20:08.265
SUSIE: Sonny is probably
about 800 pounds.

01:20:08.266 --> 01:20:09.865
Yeah, Sonny will turn a year,

01:20:09.866 --> 01:20:12.965
so Sonny\'s going to
be a year old now.

01:20:12.966 --> 01:20:16.032
[shutter clicks]

01:20:16.033 --> 01:20:17.800
[chuckling]

01:20:20.133 --> 01:20:21.533
Come over here...

01:20:27.766 --> 01:20:29.733
He\'s so huggable.

01:20:38.033 --> 01:20:40.800
Look at your perfect eyelashes.

01:20:53.133 --> 01:20:55.565
JO-ANNE: I truly
believe that it\'s innate

01:20:55.566 --> 01:20:57.465
that we\'re all compassionate

01:20:57.466 --> 01:21:03.465
and that if we\'re given the
opportunity to care, we will.

01:21:03.466 --> 01:21:09.165
[indistinct chatter]

01:21:09.166 --> 01:21:11.199
STUDENT: I have a question
about how you said

01:21:11.200 --> 01:21:13.365
you can\'t always go
through the front door.

01:21:13.366 --> 01:21:15.699
I don\'t know, you kind of said
it was like an espionage thing.

01:21:15.700 --> 01:21:18.932
I was wondering what
does that kind of entail?

01:21:18.933 --> 01:21:22.165
JO-ANNE: Okay, thanks!

01:21:22.166 --> 01:21:23.832
STUDENT 2: Hi, so,
I was just wondering

01:21:23.833 --> 01:21:25.532
because with a lot of the
stories you talk about

01:21:25.533 --> 01:21:26.932
and even what you
hear in the news,

01:21:26.933 --> 01:21:28.265
do you find that the
majority of things

01:21:28.266 --> 01:21:29.799
that are going on are overseas?

01:21:29.800 --> 01:21:31.432
Because I know there is
stuff that does go on here

01:21:31.433 --> 01:21:36.832
but it\'s like you don\'t
hear about that as much.

01:21:36.833 --> 01:21:39.832
JO-ANNE: As we all know, photos
can speak a thousand words.

01:21:39.833 --> 01:21:41.832
And if we can get
in and get close up

01:21:41.833 --> 01:21:44.499
and document something from the
point of view of the animal

01:21:44.500 --> 01:21:46.465
and show what animals go through

01:21:46.466 --> 01:21:48.586
then that will change the
hearts and minds of people.

01:21:57.966 --> 01:21:59.799
STUDENT 3:
Hi, I was wondering

01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:02.366
what are your plans
for the future?

01:22:16.200 --> 01:22:18.265
DR. VANDANA SHIVA: Most ancient
cultures of the world

01:22:18.266 --> 01:22:20.932
thought of themselves as
the family of the earth

01:22:20.933 --> 01:22:24.732
with all beings as part
of the web of life,

01:22:24.733 --> 01:22:27.699
not masters and owners of it.

01:22:27.700 --> 01:22:31.565
And we have this
development of a world view

01:22:31.566 --> 01:22:34.365
that defines power and rights

01:22:34.366 --> 01:22:37.099
only in the hands
of a few human beings,

01:22:37.100 --> 01:22:41.665
taking rights away from other
beings including animals.

01:22:41.666 --> 01:22:44.432
And I think what
we are seeing today

01:22:44.433 --> 01:22:47.733
is a correction of
that aberration.

01:22:52.066 --> 01:22:55.599
BRUCE: I\'m convinced
that animal rights

01:22:55.600 --> 01:23:00.165
and human rights work together.

01:23:00.166 --> 01:23:04.432
If we had been having this
conversation 200 years ago

01:23:04.433 --> 01:23:06.132
and we had been talking

01:23:06.133 --> 01:23:09.499
about slavery or suffrage,
people would argue

01:23:09.500 --> 01:23:11.832
women will never have
a say in governance,

01:23:11.833 --> 01:23:13.899
and they would have
argued that it\'s natural

01:23:13.900 --> 01:23:16.500
for humans to hold
other humans as slaves.

01:23:23.133 --> 01:23:26.899
ANTOINE: I would love to see
the animals to have rights.

01:23:26.900 --> 01:23:29.332
I do not know exactly
what this would mean.

01:23:29.333 --> 01:23:34.899
Probably one would say
no use of animals at all.

01:23:34.900 --> 01:23:38.266
Others would say,
no abuse of animals.

01:23:42.766 --> 01:23:48.765
The perception of animal
rights is a little bit vague,

01:23:48.766 --> 01:23:54.099
especially knowing the
process of lawmaking,

01:23:54.100 --> 01:23:57.632
especially trying to get
a majority in parliament

01:23:57.633 --> 01:24:02.733
and of the population to
say yes to steps ahead.

01:24:12.966 --> 01:24:14.565
DR. BOLLIGER:
The fact of the matter is

01:24:14.566 --> 01:24:18.732
that animals don\'t even
have a right to live.

01:24:18.733 --> 01:24:24.032
So we are quite far away from
achieving animal rights.

01:24:24.033 --> 01:24:26.965
I think other nations
could learn something

01:24:26.966 --> 01:24:28.965
from Switzerland.

01:24:28.966 --> 01:24:32.799
Namely that you can protect
animals on a legal level

01:24:32.800 --> 01:24:35.999
and that you can achieve
a lot for animal welfare

01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:39.066
with the leverage of the law.

01:24:41.800 --> 01:24:45.799
Animals have earned our
continued efforts

01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:47.799
on their behalf.

01:24:47.800 --> 01:24:50.399
They can\'t do it on their own.

01:24:50.400 --> 01:24:52.232
They are reliant on us

01:24:52.233 --> 01:24:55.632
and it needs to be done
on a societal level.

01:24:55.633 --> 01:24:58.132
And of course also
on a legal level

01:24:58.133 --> 01:25:01.033
with strong laws and
consistent enforcement.

01:25:14.733 --> 01:25:17.432
DR. MARINO: Inherently,
any living organism

01:25:17.433 --> 01:25:22.299
has basic rights to bodily
integrity and liberty.

01:25:22.300 --> 01:25:29.565
And to not be owned or
controlled by another being.

01:25:29.566 --> 01:25:33.965
And by that I mean, not that
they\'re deserving of rights

01:25:33.966 --> 01:25:39.065
that we might give them, but
that they have them already.

01:25:39.066 --> 01:25:41.400
By virtue of who they are.

01:26:18.133 --> 01:26:20.599
[Radiohead Give Up
the Ghost plays]

01:26:20.600 --> 01:26:26.932
Don\'t hurt me

01:26:26.933 --> 01:26:33.099
Don\'t hurt me

01:26:33.100 --> 01:26:39.665
Don\'t hurt me

01:26:39.666 --> 01:26:44.665
Don\'t hurt me

01:26:44.666 --> 01:26:52.666
Gather up the lost and sold

01:26:56.600 --> 01:27:02.033
In your arms

01:27:03.266 --> 01:27:05.900
In your arms

01:27:10.166 --> 01:27:18.000
Gather up the pitiful

01:27:22.166 --> 01:27:27.400
In your arms

01:27:28.400 --> 01:27:31.366
In your arms

01:27:34.766 --> 01:27:38.900
In your arms

01:27:41.066 --> 01:27:44.100
In your arms

01:27:49.100 --> 01:27:55.400
What seems impossible

01:28:00.166 --> 01:28:05.266
In your arms

01:28:13.666 --> 01:28:21.633
I think I have had my fill

01:28:25.900 --> 01:28:30.300
In your arms

01:28:32.000 --> 01:28:35.233
In your arms

01:28:51.933 --> 01:28:59.933
I think I should
give up the ghost

01:29:03.666 --> 01:29:11.666
In your arms

01:29:15.700 --> 01:29:18.466
In your arms

01:29:28.200 --> 01:29:34.166
In your arms

01:29:41.333 --> 01:29:49.333
In your arms