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Imagine a land which ideal Love is

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a reality and ideals sex Simultaneous climax
between a loving couple and in this land.

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All couples America.

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No barriers to perfect self getting
no barriers to child birth

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no condoms IUDs or pills abortions illegal

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to this land does not
exist but these ideals

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do in the work and thought of Carol
voy t1 now Pope John Paul the second.

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This is a film about what happens
when those ideals clash with reality.

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It is the story of two school girls and
Latin-America raped by their father and given

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no choice but to have It is
the story of Catholic nuns

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in Africa telling people with aids not to
use condoms because they have holes in

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them and in Asia it\'s the story of a mother
of nine who don\'t use contraception.

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The Catholic church says it\'s

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wrong all lives affected by the
beliefs of John Paul the Second.

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Due this week and the holy
city of Rome celebrates

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25-years as leader of the
welds billion Catholics.

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Although frail is still leading a campaign
against contraception and abortion.

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There is inspired by gratitude and
hostility tonight we investigate how

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the man who idealized women came to be accused
of promoting beliefs that can ruin lives

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Welcome to molecule coup
remote town in the heart of

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Nicaraguan like other Latin American
countries overwhelmingly Catholic.

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This is a matcher country of

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often distorted sexual values

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were official estimates suggest one
in three women has been physically or

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sexually abused and where age and close
relationships sometimes low barrier to abuse

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We met for school girls all left
with babies after being abused or

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abandoned in Catholic
Nicaragua abortions or

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interruptions are almost impossible
to obtain within the law

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the Catholic Church believes destroying any
life even a fertilized egg is immoral.

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The girls had no choice but
to carry their children to

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term Sarah E. So

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she was made pregnant by his stepfather
now on the run after rape charges.

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She\'s just 14 did you think of

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of completing the pregnancy to do
you think of having an interruption

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Yes I thought of having one I thought of
terminating a pregnancy Miriam is heavily

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pregnant by a young man who has abandoned her
she already has two other children by him

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my opinion on abortion
or some people say it\'s

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bad because you lose a child but
my opinion is that it\'s better

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not to do it because terminating
a pregnancy is a sin Franciska

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and Lucinda assist is 1516 Both had small
babies after their father rake them.

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He\'s now in jail.

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So lean but I got pregnant by

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the Father but I was ashamed that it
was my own father who got me pregnant.

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Afterwards I had stay like that
until I had it and I\'m ashamed.

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Yep where he yellow ABC now

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He threw me out of the house.

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My father and mother and everyone made things
difficult for me to bring my child here

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did you think of having an interruption or

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not tambien me too.

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We met the girls and a
woman\'s health clinic run by

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Dorothy Granada She says
such cases are not unusual.

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Sometimes pregnant girls who can\'t
get abortions even younger.

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So when you come across a girl 12 or 13 or
14 who\'s having to carry her father\'s child.

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Very awful.

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It\'s very terrible.

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It\'s very terrible.

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We cry a lot in this clinic.

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Some men Dorothy Granada says take
more care of their cattle and

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their women and she says some pregnant
women get a raw deal from the state

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Although they kinda ply to have legal
abortions If their lives are in danger cue

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succeed or the start of the Pope\'s
reign about a 100 women a year

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got permission for these so-called
therapeutic abortions church pressure is cut

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that number close to 0 the
therapeutic abortion simply does

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not work in this country and that\'s
because I believe the threats of

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the Roman Catholic hierarchy and physicians
are simply afraid to exercise their right.

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The Catholic Church in
Nicaraga goes back almost 500

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years Cardinal abandon a brother

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who has wielded the power of the
church here for over three decades.

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He\'s just helped persuade the
government to Pope copies of

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a sex education guide that mentioned
abortion and contraception.

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He\'s a political player press and
cabinet ministers Hang on his words.

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Today about Nicaraguan
troops in Iraq to Gaza.

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The cardinal told us he
couldn\'t see why it should

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ever be unsafe for a young
girl to deliver children.

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He did well there is a case
something that happened in

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El Salvador if my memory
serves me right Child age

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nine gave birth without
harming the child meaning

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the mother and without damage
to the baby should conceived.

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So in this slide it\'s not the norm for a
child of nine years to give birth but if

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this child had the misfortune to be raped
by someone and then became pregnant.

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It\'s always possible according
to doctors who are experts in

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this field to say both lives whales and

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Marcella Bobi thus quadrotors.

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But earlier this year
one-family took the cardinal on

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provoking a national Raul that\'s split
Nicaragua Capture the headlines

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for months Maria and
Francisco\'s daughter rasa not

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her real name had been raped and was
pregnant at the time she was just eight.

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Yeah when we met in the capital
Managua Francisco and Maria

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both Catholics told me why they decided
to seek an abortion for Rosser

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despite the opposition
of the church Arizona.

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She wasn\'t like someone whose body
is capable of surviving pregnancy.

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When they become pregnant.

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She would never have been able
to get to that stage because she

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was A child let\'s face it
you run the living room.

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So we had the pregnancy terminated
because she didn\'t want to die

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leaves as the Church protested and lawyers

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argued Ross\'s parents took her
for a clamber Stein abortion.

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While many non-Catholics
are opposed to abortion

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to here it was the Catholic
Church that led the protests.

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It says Ross\'s parents and
doctors have excommunicated

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themselves risking
damnation Rosser though is

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excused she\'s still would have gum in

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their areas a Church law canon
1398 Which states that if anyone

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commits an act of abortion and the abortion
actually takes place that person then falls

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ipso facto under the banner
of excommunication yessum.

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I wasn\'t the only one I did
feel very bad about what\'s

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church was thinking or said to hell with

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the church I don\'t want to
have anything to do with

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the ministers or Princeton
or church I want to know.

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I mean I mean I\'m not interested
in what the cardinal says

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in what he says or does not
say about us or about this.

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He doesn\'t have the right because
only God connects communicators.

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I seem to remember that there is
only one Son of God on earth.

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Not to Get us yak in paragraph two
feet this time for the cardinal.

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For many in Nicaragua Ross\'s
parents have become heroes and

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ordinary coupled defining the church
and making a stand of women\'s rights.

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Other than the curricular also
define the ban on abortion.

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Welcome to the world the
gorilla or abortionists.

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We visited this underground abortion
clinic run by women doctors.

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It\'s relatively safe absolutely illegal to

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avoid after ten years in jail
the doctors wearing a mask.

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No cumbersome We only discuss it in

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a very secret way because for women
this is an illegal procedure and we

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doctors could be put in prison for it
without a doubt it\'s thought that could be

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as many as 60 thousand illegal abortions
and Nicaragua every year running

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more hair to these are
women who have absolutely

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nowhere else to turn to
economically speaking.

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Women who had been abused women who have

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no access to any kind or method of
contraception you want what would

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happen to the women and girls
who come here at this clinic

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wasn\'t for them and I think
that if we did not exist.

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I think that there would be many more maternal
fatalities What I did less than deaths

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of women who don\'t make

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it to an underground clinic often end
up in Managua is Women\'s Hospital.

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After botched backstreet abortions.

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It\'s estimated that up to Warren for
pregnancies and Matt in America and

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an illegal abortion and that worldwide
over 70 thousand women die from

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illegal abortions every year

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in Rome the rao ever nine-year-old
Ross\'s abortion was followed

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closely Cardinal in charge of
promoting Vatican doctrine on

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the family will abandon the
graduate told us that he believes

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that if a nine-year-old girl is
pregnant she should not have

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an abortion is that the position
of the Vatican he artisanal

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men tiers here we Quila

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engender I have followed these events
personally I have written to the cardinal

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personally to express to
him in all sincerity and

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high support because public opinion was
quite confused with regard to that case

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it did not spare a thought to defending
the rights of unborn babies who are

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people who have a right to live the Vendee

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EDTA Bambi Nikkei Shauna
personae ganos ED to Harvey

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very legato and ideally in Quantico ELA

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request our Mina the Church wanted to help

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this young girl who should have
been helped up until the birth of

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a child but it also came out and he stated

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the truth and the truth is
that human life is inviolable.

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And Dato de la already done it already
Achila veto my name you\'ll have really.

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But trying to stop all
abortions is just one way

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the Vatican is trying to impose
its sexual values across

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the world It\'s a campaign

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that draws passion and motivation from the
Pope from Poland John Paul the Second.

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And the vision of womanhood rooted in

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his personal history in kelvin
area To the Pope\'s hometown.

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This setting off on a burial.

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The burial of the Virgin Mary

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74 years ago this ceremony helped
shape the Pope\'s vision of womanhood.

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The energy carried miles to its final resting
place utter devotion to the ultimate metal.

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But John Paul the Virgin was
to be the image Ideal woman

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a mother to all and to him when
age-date who lost his own mother.

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When the Popes mother died and one day

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his father took him here to California and
he pointed to the shrine of Our Lady.

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So the picture violator of
caldaria and he said Carl from now

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on she will be your mother and
she took it so seriously.

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He came and he talked to her
like he would talk to his mom.

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John pulls taught and writing
would be haunted by this image of

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Perfect Motherhood As a young
priest Carol voting were

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started in clack of the city at once
modern and medieval critics say like

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his thinking he took

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a special interest and the philosophy
of love the family marriage and sex.

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He gave friends and students
and his flock advice on

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relationships like Carol turn off ski here
on the left with The Young Pope to be.

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His idea was to create an atmosphere of
cooperation and of responsibility of boys to

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girls Chanel This is kind of preparation to

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the marriage He helped
bring couples together

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yes couples who ended up being
married yes did they stay married.

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Yes yes of course yes these enduring

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marriages he\'d helped nurture where
evidence to the future Pope that

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conservative catholic ideals of sex and love
can work in reality in 1960 now a bishop.

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He wrote an astonishing me friend
book about love and marriage.

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It\'s suggested that for a married man
and woman climax must be reached and

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harmony that he did add
as far as possible but

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although this was the age
of the pill 40-watt also

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condemned contraception
pills IUDs and condoms

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Immoral they said all
harmful for the health

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incredibly as it now seems the Vatican
almost endorsed the pill in the 60s.

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After all there was no explicit ban
on contraception in the Bible.

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But the then Pope fold
six received a gift from

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Khrushchev\'s Carol voting law a report

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attacking contraception on
promoting Natural Family Planning.

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The dismay of liberal Catholics put pull
the six using arguments for TOO had

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advocated reaffirmed the battle
contraception Carol void

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T1 would be made cognitive
about grateful pull the

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six that stood against the
tide of Catholic opinion and

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run At once elected pope
25 years ago this week.

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He would use his extraordinary popularity.

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To stand against the tide of world opinion

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condemning contraception and the
trend to legalize abortion.

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But even among the married Polish couples
living the new Popus dream of love and

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responsibility there were doubters Carol
Karnofsky and his wife now with a family.

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We\'re finding the ban on
contraception and obstacle to

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love and make an appeal to their friend And

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your argument why this was that

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sometimes even when Catholics
artificial contraception can hope love.

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Yes yes we share an idea which
many many fewer sensor of course.

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My wife wrote a long letter to
him and we discussed this in

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a separate discussion Vatican
and she was very comprehensive.

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I mean if he\'s if he\'s
actually understood very well

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our difficulties but he didn\'t
think that he can change

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principles the pope suggested
the couple could find

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another confessor but perhaps Reminder
of the Pope\'s unmovable convictions.

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As well as sympathetic data\'s
there have been harsh critics of

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John Paul\'s vision of love
and responsibility on

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their view here\'s a man who had
never been close to a woman and

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so fell victim not to
ideals but to stereotypes.

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A vision of women always defined
by the reproductive powers

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mother wife temptress perhaps the
Pope\'s most powerful opponent

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for many years was Nafis Sadik former head
of the United Nations Population Fund.

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She had a face-to-face meeting
with the Pope in 1994

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to discuss women\'s rights and church
teaching I hope you can spend I

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was telling him that the church could
do more to educate men because I said

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the church could really play
a very positive role because

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many women became pregnant on
because they wanted to but

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because their spouses impose
themselves on them he said

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that you don\'t you\'re saying that
the irresponsible behavior of

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men is caused by women that you think the
responsible behavior of men is caused by

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women yes those were his words

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those wise words yes you came out
with this bond to bond meeting with

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the Pope believing that

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the Pope\'s understanding of the plight
of women in poor countries was born.

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Was very Inadequate I mean he really didn\'t

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understand the situation of girls and women
in spite of the fact that he has rabbit.

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To so many countries the Vatican can
point to the Pope\'s support since

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his days and crack off for women\'s right to
equality to work and to freedom from abuse.

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But his critics say his
conservative views are having

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consequences beyond the
lives of individual women

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Metro Manila a 21st century
Asian mega city of

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over 11 million people and the Eastern

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Front in the battle between
Catholic sexual ideals and

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the values of And analyzed culture we

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came here to the one Catholic country in

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Asia to look at the effects
of the Pope\'s teachings and

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contraception effects
his critics say you can

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see in the streets in the
Philippines there are

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over 40 thousand street kids

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and yet there was often incredible ignorance
about both control and some bizarre myths.

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For example about the uses of Colgate.

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When me and my boyfriend
ran out of condoms.

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He\'d insist we use toothpaste
as a contraceptive.

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He told me it was Colgate His
friend\'s wife use toothpaste

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and he said she never got pregnant.

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When we had sex I was so an easy
and uncomfortable because it

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felt spicy and hot and it turned
out that I did get pregnant.

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Call her Claudia she already has one
child that has lost another little by

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the age of 14 we met in a clinic started

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by women who want to provide better
sex education and contraceptive

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services Claudia wasn\'t the
only girl who do use toothpaste

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for birth control side it was bizarre

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but apparently and if they\'re if the
manner advising into other men it\'s

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bubbling not just one person Case of
cloud-a illustrates very strongly how

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how much of a neither is
in this Catholic country

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for adolescent sexuality
and reproductive services.

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Why is it particularly difficult
in the cavalry country.

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Well because even sexuality
education is prohibited and even

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efforts to institutionalize
sex education and

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contraceptive care that\'s being opposed
very strongly by the Catholic Church.

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There are already 80 million
people in the Philippines

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and the population is expected
to double in three decades.

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Yet the Catholic Church opposes
contraception and wants to leave

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sex education largely to families Here

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even the statues of Christ seem to jostle
for space in the Philippines Congress

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some liberal Catholics or
defining the church urging

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a reluctant President to Bank a bill
promoting sex education of contraception.

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Mr. Speaker Your Honor.

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I feel that it would be best for
President Arroyo to read and

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understand their reproductive health
care bills yourself rather than to

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listen and be alarmed by panic
Asians or are blinded by

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their personnel religious biases and
camps at reproductive health care law

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that is pro-life And it pro choice as well

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but with the church warning it
makes shy and I\'m seat politicians

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at the next election if they back
the reproductive rights bill.

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It has little chance of success you
didn\'t have to step far outside Congress.

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Just see what ignorance about sex
and lack of contraception can lead

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to a city so overcrowded that even
a railroad track gets called home.

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No wrong side of the tracks here

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Now the congresswoman took

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us to her constituency outside Manila.

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To see the kind of woman she wants to help.

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She introduced as to merit you.

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Seven children in a tiny shack plus one
working and another put out to adoption.

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Thank you Daryl malnourished.

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They\'ll like Lend-Lease
true has a nursing degree.

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Think some also have TB.

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So tell me telling me names and
that only valid Valley boys

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do But how much space do you have to
bring your kids in the inner down space

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can save them harder rule you in

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special war and this is through space
and this is the whole tell me.

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Did you intend to have that many children
in London with the Alamo take Aqiba

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when unfamiliar. It was not planned.

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Was if I only wanted 34

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but what can we do They came one after the
other the families earnings a dollar a

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day Mary mother of nine Tells the
congresswoman she would use contraception.

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She\'s heard it\'s dangerous and the Catholic
church says it\'s wrong much to the dismay of

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the Catholic Congresswoman
mind kids seven still here

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a donor a day told by the pope no
contraception and what do you make of all

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this that\'s why I cannot trust this I kind
of just follow what the church is teaching.

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When we go back to the ethics and
morality of this all I respect life

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I am pro-life but what kind of life
watches mere animal existence but alive.

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That will bring This children.

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Hope there are so many people agencies and
groups playing the role of boards profits

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it if our profits include
the congresswoman and

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the priestess her old confessor
he wants to reproductive health

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bill scrapped dictate things of
house bill or T1 then they go

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against the very tracing
a Sunday church that we

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propagate day go against the very
essence of the Catholic drift can pay.

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Isn\'t this the church interfering and

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politics I don\'t believe so
preaching from the pulpit and

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politics politics because we

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are supposed to speak about the truth
this is our prophetic role as pleased.

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As a church. This is our
prophetic road we have to tell

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our people you know what the truth
is all about so anything that has to

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do with moral issues rituals
addresses and it\'s not

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just the congresswoman
is confessor fighting

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the bill in Manila city the
heart of metro Manila.

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It\'s the man this is what we
call the haven for angels.

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It\'s actually a place where we bury

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The fetus babies we find in the
streets PT average fetuses Yes

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guy from garbage heaps from sidewalks of

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the city and claimed by
the irresponsible mothers

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and where they\'re placed properly and

00:27:42.770 --> 00:27:49.729
displace the mare is filling the caskets
and this crypt with aborted fetuses.

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Each he says the body of a
tiny places and the babies.

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So the fetuses are given
names yes they\'re afterly

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given names by those who
bury them here are they

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blessed or yes blast and then we still come

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up with a name Abortion
contraception evils to the Vatican

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the Mer De But this isn\'t his only
projects employed outside if we

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just declared Manila city the world\'s
first pro-life city and banned

00:28:19.570 --> 00:28:24.879
all contraceptive services from city run
clinics really self-sacrifice contraception is

00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:27.069
negative its count their lives it\'s

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contraception so you do it teach it we
don\'t teach contraception in clinics.

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Definitely not so here we are in
a megacity growing by the day by

00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:40.688
the hour and in Manila city people
can\'t get contraception and

00:28:40.689 --> 00:28:43.913
the city\'s clinics in Manila
What we are promoting is

00:28:43.914 --> 00:28:46.659
a stronger family unit we believe

00:28:46.660 --> 00:28:51.604
that contraceptive thinking abortion
All destroyers or families.

00:28:51.605 --> 00:28:58.849
So in the pro-life city we were shown
that no choice clinic IUDs pills condoms.

00:28:58.850 --> 00:29:05.539
All thrown out what\'s gone in anti
abortion posters intended to shock.

00:29:05.540 --> 00:29:11.479
Now you can have any kind of family planning
advice you want as long as it\'s natural.

00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:16.459
So as I\'ve said this chart on
the first day of your ministry

00:29:16.460 --> 00:29:23.239
shot was still calendar or charting
the state of vaginal mucus.

00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:27.289
The nurse in charge of the clinics
is thrilled by their Achaeans as

00:29:27.290 --> 00:29:32.298
Ben sincerely that agenda I
haven\'t seen any pills or

00:29:32.299 --> 00:29:34.789
condoms or any artificial
method here in Manila

00:29:34.790 --> 00:29:41.629
anymore in metro Manila with
contraception under threat.

00:29:41.630 --> 00:29:45.679
Thousands live from
scavenging rubbish tips and

00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:51.169
Pietists the garbage mountain collapsed
three years ago killing over 300 people

00:29:51.170 --> 00:29:54.979
the church says the root cause
of this appalling poverty is

00:29:54.980 --> 00:29:58.219
not too many people it\'s
too few resources For

00:29:58.220 --> 00:30:02.089
the three showdown but

00:30:02.090 --> 00:30:06.438
women\'s groups say lack of reproductive
rights causing overpopulation.

00:30:06.439 --> 00:30:09.124
Poverty and death.

00:30:09.125 --> 00:30:14.089
I think personally that John
Paul\'s teachings are taking

00:30:14.090 --> 00:30:18.888
a toll on on people\'s lives
here that admonition

00:30:18.889 --> 00:30:23.148
against reproductive health care is
actually causing deaths of women

00:30:23.149 --> 00:30:28.920
here from unwanted pregnancy and even
from pregnancy that\'s complicated.

00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:36.948
With the Vatican has its own
tissue with the threat to

00:30:36.949 --> 00:30:42.319
women Look at Metro minute
or this way if the let

00:30:42.320 --> 00:30:46.158
you and it\'s a city

00:30:46.159 --> 00:30:50.554
where women in that tens of thousands
a sexually exploited for profit.

00:30:50.555 --> 00:30:55.129
A city where catholic ideals of
love and the family undermined by

00:30:55.130 --> 00:31:00.679
Western-style hedonism and average male

00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:05.988
quali Luminita going yet
the gummy i The time will

00:31:05.989 --> 00:31:12.664
come when humankind will be ashamed of
how it introduced a false lifestyle.

00:31:12.665 --> 00:31:15.919
Just as today we are
ashamed of apartheid of

00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:21.168
racial discrimination and other
forms of discrimination in

00:31:21.169 --> 00:31:25.609
future times He will be ashamed
of something we managed to defend

00:31:25.610 --> 00:31:30.544
the truth a political truth a
truth imposed in parliament.

00:31:30.545 --> 00:31:34.714
Regarding the family
regarding human life sex.

00:31:34.715 --> 00:31:36.738
Where everything is permitted.

00:31:36.739 --> 00:31:39.003
Where everything is possible.

00:31:39.004 --> 00:31:47.004
Though love Emilia La veto says so due
to a permission to try posteriorly

00:31:50.950 --> 00:31:53.688
to the Pope This is a bore against

00:31:53.689 --> 00:31:57.574
the permissive society and for
a Christian ideal of love

00:31:57.575 --> 00:32:05.575
the family mother listened to his message in
person this is travelled A 120 countries.

00:32:06.610 --> 00:32:14.610
Ever. Or lie at the popes had

00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:22.008
stayed remote in the Vatican that
even often attempt on his life Joan

00:32:22.009 --> 00:32:27.543
pull took his message to the streets
and onto the world\'s political stage

00:32:27.544 --> 00:32:30.798
at the United Nations in
New York the Vatican has

00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:33.498
special permanent observer status because

00:32:33.499 --> 00:32:35.388
the Holy City in roomed as efficiently as

00:32:35.389 --> 00:32:40.079
state no other religious
leader is say privileged.

00:32:40.080 --> 00:32:42.438
The Vatican\'s status has given the Pope

00:32:42.439 --> 00:32:44.778
the chance to influence the
world\'s population and

00:32:44.779 --> 00:32:46.849
development policy Working with

00:32:46.850 --> 00:32:52.020
some unexpected aligns to the
irritation of liberal Catholics.

00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:58.729
When I go to the United Nations and watch the
Vatican representatives operate right on

00:32:58.730 --> 00:33:04.203
the floor and I see them going up
to Libya to the Sudan to omen.

00:33:04.204 --> 00:33:06.919
To very often to Muslim countries that have

00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:12.259
similar conservative views on women and
reproduction and wheeling and dealing just

00:33:12.260 --> 00:33:16.728
like every other government
official in the world God bless

00:33:16.729 --> 00:33:21.978
America reign he had a close ally in

00:33:21.979 --> 00:33:25.069
US President Ronald Reagan
was determined to end

00:33:25.070 --> 00:33:28.809
communism and support family values Now

00:33:28.810 --> 00:33:33.338
President George W. Bush a born again
Christian is reviving the alliance.

00:33:33.339 --> 00:33:35.948
He\'s pleased the pope by stopping usaid for

00:33:35.949 --> 00:33:40.089
foreign organizations the U.S.
considers is promoting abortion and by

00:33:40.090 --> 00:33:44.628
cutting off $34 million of funding for
the United Nations Population Fund in

00:33:44.629 --> 00:33:47.210
its family planning programs

00:33:48.030 --> 00:33:53.423
in Rome the ailing John Poll is still
leading the fight clearly frail.

00:33:53.424 --> 00:33:58.539
But creating new saints enforcing church
doctrine and appointing new candles will

00:33:58.540 --> 00:34:03.849
continue his work but since
the early days of his reign.

00:34:03.850 --> 00:34:08.600
The weld has been facing a
new and terrible crisis

00:34:13.720 --> 00:34:17.658
It is in Africa where the
aids pandemic has struck

00:34:17.659 --> 00:34:23.508
hardest and it\'s also where
the church is ignoring widely

00:34:23.509 --> 00:34:30.079
agreed scientific evidence on aids in Kenya
someone dies of aids every couple of

00:34:30.080 --> 00:34:34.128
minutes it\'s taught up to a fifth
of Kenyans have the HIV virus

00:34:34.129 --> 00:34:38.629
that causes aids and in Nairobi
when your loved one dies.

00:34:38.630 --> 00:34:42.348
This is where you come there is

00:34:42.349 --> 00:34:46.279
16 coffee makers in the street of
coffins a decade ago there were just

00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:51.948
three the World Health Organization

00:34:51.949 --> 00:34:57.213
says the best way And aids is abstinence
or monogamy with an uninfected partner.

00:34:57.214 --> 00:34:59.509
It also recommends condoms.

00:34:59.510 --> 00:35:05.958
Which it says significantly cut the risk of
HIV transmission but the coffin makers know

00:35:05.959 --> 00:35:13.383
condoms and popping Santa many
young people don\'t trust condoms.

00:35:13.384 --> 00:35:17.403
They argue that dying of aids is
like being killed in an accident.

00:35:17.404 --> 00:35:19.339
People think condoms are not

00:35:19.340 --> 00:35:24.048
a 100% secure and they treat it
as a similar risk to a car crash.

00:35:24.049 --> 00:35:27.539
So they don\'t like using
them for those reasons

00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:39.618
About a third of Kenyans are Catholic
and many clinics hospitals and

00:35:39.619 --> 00:35:44.298
schools and Catholic run but while the
church does promote abstinence and

00:35:44.299 --> 00:35:47.119
fidelity to prevent aids
it does not promote

00:35:47.120 --> 00:35:51.978
condoms Vatican doctrine
is opposed to condoms

00:35:51.979 --> 00:35:54.498
claiming they break the
link between love and

00:35:54.499 --> 00:36:00.664
procreational some priest get round this
saying it\'s a matter for the conscience.

00:36:00.665 --> 00:36:05.834
But not the archbishop
of Nairobi bad coverage.

00:36:05.835 --> 00:36:13.158
Does not advocate user Kuan gums M and
N circumstances HIV aids rod so fast

00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:16.353
because what they because
of availability of

00:36:16.354 --> 00:36:21.738
condoms You think condoms are
causing aids yes a extreme.

00:36:21.739 --> 00:36:27.558
You\'ll give a young Kenyan
current on for hemo pour harm is

00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:35.559
a license for sexuality telling
their protected NO protected.

00:36:35.570 --> 00:36:38.658
Understand or you don\'t think
anybody should we don\'t

00:36:38.659 --> 00:36:41.118
use anybody use condoms
they should not be made at

00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:43.758
all there should not be
made yes nobody should

00:36:43.759 --> 00:36:46.893
use them s. Even people who
are not Catholics who think

00:36:46.894 --> 00:36:51.333
anybody for that matter Lawson
God they affect everybody

00:36:51.334 --> 00:36:55.219
Catholic bishops in Kenya
produced this pamphlet which

00:36:55.220 --> 00:36:58.608
claims latex rubber from
which condoms are made.

00:36:58.609 --> 00:37:00.289
Does have pores through which

00:37:00.290 --> 00:37:04.159
vital sized particles can squeeze
through during intercourse.

00:37:04.160 --> 00:37:08.389
We read this to the World Health
Organization who told us it is simply

00:37:08.390 --> 00:37:12.529
not true this is scientific
nonsense isn\'t it scientifically

00:37:12.530 --> 00:37:15.199
sentence that is to those who are

00:37:15.200 --> 00:37:18.889
defective where they don\'t detect debate
has anything about defective condoms it

00:37:18.890 --> 00:37:20.898
says latex rubber from
which condoms are made

00:37:20.899 --> 00:37:23.208
has posed through if you\'re
excited to means they are

00:37:23.209 --> 00:37:30.018
not identer proof complete hang present
proof but it says latex rubber.

00:37:30.019 --> 00:37:32.358
It says that viruses could pass through

00:37:32.359 --> 00:37:36.738
latex rubber You ingrained January
known yet their scientists to lobate

00:37:36.739 --> 00:37:39.138
controversial with the greatest respect
what I\'m suggesting is that you

00:37:39.139 --> 00:37:41.539
are peddling superstition
and ignorance we are

00:37:41.540 --> 00:37:43.789
not barely England feature be proved that

00:37:43.790 --> 00:37:47.999
the only people who have been raped
and does matter in their own right.

00:37:48.100 --> 00:37:52.848
The most authoritative recent report
is by the US National Institutes of

00:37:52.849 --> 00:37:58.189
Health which concluded intact condoms
are essentially impermeable to

00:37:58.190 --> 00:38:01.699
the smallest sexually
transmitted virus and that

00:38:01.700 --> 00:38:07.248
the consistent use of male condoms
protects against HIV aids transmission

00:38:07.249 --> 00:38:13.023
the World Health Organization insists it is
imperative to continue promoting condoms for

00:38:13.024 --> 00:38:18.528
HIV prevention In 1996

00:38:18.529 --> 00:38:21.978
cardinal Asanga who was the highest
ranking Catholic and the country.

00:38:21.979 --> 00:38:24.318
Let us symbolic burning of condoms and

00:38:24.319 --> 00:38:30.078
safe sex literature in Africa millions
faced death from aids yet here

00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:38.079
the church is burning condones the bonfire
was attended by a top catholic gynecologist

00:38:39.109 --> 00:38:43.428
is Was that common bonafide
we\'ve had more than five to

00:38:43.429 --> 00:38:49.919
10 thousand people young people older
people symbol main from the street.

00:38:50.650 --> 00:38:55.189
Who myself I was there I have to be there.

00:38:55.190 --> 00:39:01.098
Lead by example We had discussions
about the corner we had

00:39:01.099 --> 00:39:07.488
scientific presentations we had is
social presentations and then we head.

00:39:07.489 --> 00:39:14.839
How do you hold called a we had a
symbolic Bonnie of the evil that is

00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:22.840
a column but does

00:39:23.420 --> 00:39:25.729
anyone take any notice of
the Catholic attack on

00:39:25.730 --> 00:39:28.698
complex a day\'s drive from

00:39:28.699 --> 00:39:32.760
Nairobi we\'ve come to loop back
by the shores of Lake Victoria.

00:39:36.250 --> 00:39:40.309
With no national health service
or welfare state in Kenya

00:39:40.310 --> 00:39:44.943
The Catholic Church plays a vital
role in curing carrying an educating.

00:39:44.944 --> 00:39:47.620
Just as it doesn\'t cost again

00:39:53.830 --> 00:39:56.508
sister victory in a cough runs

00:39:56.509 --> 00:40:01.608
the Catholic clinic and

00:40:01.609 --> 00:40:07.050
like other nuns here she has her own
painful experience of the aids epidemic.

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She\'s lost a brother and
assisted the virus goes a

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particularly affected here as many as four

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out of ten are thought to be
the highest infection rate

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in the world The churches and the
condom stance has a strong grip in

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the leg attached to the medical
clinic isn\'t HIV testing

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center and the man running
it has to take notice

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of what the Catholics who run
the church say about condoms.

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What I\'ll tell people bought condoms is
that when condoms are used properly.

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They prevent the spread of HIV.

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Do hang out but I don\'t
tend them out because they

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don\'t stock them here
because because we add in

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the Catholic premise and
the Catholics did not

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maybe and carry the user\'s gonna
play them encouraged the use of

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condoms that is allowed in fact
we are how do you feel about

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that He really did say something that is

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not too broad but there is
nothing we can do about

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it so what did the months say about condoms
to people who\'ve already got the virus.

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System Victorien invited us to go
and see one of their patients.

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Since statistics plane where we\'re
going in and who again to see CNBC.

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Also Mid-Atlantic does not seek scenes

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where the patient with aids was Matthias
acquire master and helper at the church to me.

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I. Inside he suggested we start with
a prayer So who went to prayer beat

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him anyway father is ill for
six years and barely able to

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afford the medicines which keep
them alive retires hopes that

00:41:58.789 --> 00:42:03.419
his wife Emma deem as so far
managed to escape infection.

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I first asked retires whether
his drugs were helping us.

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Yeah. So they are working it is
responding in me is expensive but I\'m

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just trying to as much as I can
system what\'s your advice to

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Mathez and his wife My advice to him
is only that they make you pray.

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Because they know there\'s nothing
they can do about it he\'s

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ready sick you derive as
accepted this tuition.

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Then they may live continue to love
each other be faithful to another

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until the day the last day on that tell

00:42:44.450 --> 00:42:46.849
me how that says how this has affected

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your marriage and it must be
difficult for you and your wife is

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difficult but we have to control now because
if you don\'t control you know listen

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the risk I know that we
have so many things things

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like Kodama mere continues
condom You can use call them no.

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Tell me whether the judge terrorism
that is not a 100% safe that there are

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some holes in it pulls in
the condo in their condoms.

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System what what are we to make of
mitosis story they aren\'t a 100 by

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70 useful because they can
either raptor there yes Mira

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and I see I see that there\'s some particular
condom at the White House can pass through

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that is very true okay so
I seriously say beat him

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that\'s the option he has taken not
to be with their life in order to

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control themselves is
very good is the replace

00:43:47.330 --> 00:43:49.008
for condoms if they are used

00:43:49.009 --> 00:43:56.448
properly Or if they work and they use
properly is that ever have a reason to

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use condoms and NCI doesn\'t know who sing

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them it was really

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heartbreaking that the sisters here
seem kind they seem intelligent.

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They\'re hardworking. And they could be

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the frontline in the war against
aids and yet what they\'re doing is

00:44:18.169 --> 00:44:24.813
pedaling rumor and superstition and the
question is really who\'s made them believe it.

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We\'d come across what the WHO calls the dangerous
allegation that condoms let HIV through

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before Occupation with Nairobi
had put his name to a pamphlet

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making the claim and we\'d heard the story
from Catholics into other continents.

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From the head of the
pro-life clinics admin in

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a city that\'s wrong with
condoms USE condoms.

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They are made of rubber so even
the aids virus can pass through

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the force of the condoms and we\'ve heard
the same claim from the cardinal in

00:44:51.349 --> 00:44:57.558
Nicaragua studying genetics we

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were told that aids can be transmitted
through the doctor\'s surgical glove.

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Which is less poorest than a condo

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Guangdong clearly these
extraordinary claims

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are being made by influential
Catholics across the world

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So we asked the purpose spokesman on

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the family whether they are
also the official view of

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the Vatican isn\'t the
position of the Vatican

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that the virus the HIV virus can pass
through the condom use he paid he gave

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Baden-Baden Barry Yes yes because

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because this is something that the
scientific community accepts.

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And doctors know what we
are saying you cannot talk

00:45:40.820 --> 00:45:44.599
about safe sex one should
speak of a human value.

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About the family and about fidelity.

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But I have spoken to the World Health
Organization They say it is simply not true that

00:45:58.909 --> 00:46:02.913
the HIV virus can pass
through latex from which

00:46:02.914 --> 00:46:07.638
condoms and they\'re running
quester work they are wrong

00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:11.299
about that no dialogue is
possible at that level

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scientifically speaking to you because
this is an easily recognizable fact.

00:46:16.565 --> 00:46:23.598
She relinquished factor in Kenya the
Vatican\'s unyielding rejection of condoms is

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affecting real lives here in
cosumer Irene already has aids.

00:46:31.354 --> 00:46:34.849
She\'s telling a group of unwed mothers
in a community projects what it\'s

00:46:34.850 --> 00:46:39.229
like take it seriously Maybe

00:46:39.230 --> 00:46:44.974
it isn\'t a Catholic project

00:46:44.975 --> 00:46:47.328
so condoms are available there with

00:46:47.329 --> 00:46:50.539
the propaganda against them and
it\'s been a local backlash.

00:46:50.540 --> 00:46:52.759
We people who are lacking especially with

00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:56.058
teenage mothers and child
prostitutes people who

00:46:56.059 --> 00:47:01.773
were already engaging in sex are actually
being seen as promoting promiscuity.

00:47:01.774 --> 00:47:04.188
Because we are telling them if you

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cannot if you haven\'t reached
a point where you ask strong

00:47:07.490 --> 00:47:14.389
enough to abstain then you better protect
yourself rather than getting exposed.

00:47:14.390 --> 00:47:17.749
Some of the women who
work here say Catholic

00:47:17.750 --> 00:47:21.139
propaganda against condoms
It\'s partly to blame

00:47:21.140 --> 00:47:27.589
for their HIV positive status
when I engaged in sex.

00:47:27.590 --> 00:47:30.858
I didn\'t use a condom I can
remember my headmaster

00:47:30.859 --> 00:47:33.979
Wednesday was trying to tell
us about the condom but when

00:47:33.980 --> 00:47:37.998
we went to church I had something

00:47:37.999 --> 00:47:42.708
the priest was saying that condom
is not good for people and in

00:47:42.709 --> 00:47:46.218
my life I see that if a couldn\'t have had

00:47:46.219 --> 00:47:51.814
enough information on the condom use
icons have contracted the virus.

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By things that the port.

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Perhaps is not in touch
with the Republic I know.

00:48:00.919 --> 00:48:08.919
Working with young girls in this program
I know how bad HIV aids as heat

00:48:10.160 --> 00:48:16.518
our adolescent Gans and I feel it

00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:22.684
is not so easy for someone sitting in
Rome to know what happens on the ground.

00:48:22.685 --> 00:48:28.818
Most of the Gulf that we have here and gas
from the Catholic background and yet they are

00:48:28.819 --> 00:48:32.269
infected with HIV positive if they

00:48:32.270 --> 00:48:35.899
used a condom one time it
would have saved their lives.

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Yet they cry and say it is too
late and we know it is too

00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:44.043
late because they already infected
And that\'s my appeal to the poll.

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You can lose something you can
see something that will come

00:48:48.410 --> 00:48:53.029
down to the charge and the
young people of the world will

00:48:53.030 --> 00:48:55.488
be saved we\'re losing a generation of

00:48:55.489 --> 00:49:02.628
young people Pope John Paul the
second has been fighting passionately

00:49:02.629 --> 00:49:05.824
against contraception and
abortion since he was elected

00:49:05.825 --> 00:49:09.259
25 years ago this week a campaign to uphold

00:49:09.260 --> 00:49:13.398
and ideal of love motherhood
and the value of life.

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Yet his opponents say these same
teachings of course distress and

00:49:17.600 --> 00:49:21.198
suffering in countries
where catholic belief

00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:26.009
counts the Vatican\'s
teaching can still be Life