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I thought what happened was France
will never beat the racist allegations

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and tell me why. And I'm from Congo. DRC.
Yeah, you are fucked up. But anyways,

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they kicked us out.

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We were supposed to be until 2:00 AM
It's 1:00 AM We came out here 30 minutes

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ago and they were like, no,
we need commercial music.

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What the fuck is commercial
music in this economy? Nothing.

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The DJ that's playing now
didn't even want to play.

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What'd he say?

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He was like, I'm really enjoying
this set and I'm so sorry. I said,

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stop apologizing. They weren't even
paying us. What's crazy? We were fucking,

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someone said, oh, it's not this thing.
I said, it is France as a whole.

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Paris. You could redeem
yourself but can't.

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You can't the beach when everybody left.

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It's kind of a good shot.

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All right. Should we start?

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I think what we're about to
show you is a quite anemic

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understanding of what race
means and how it works.

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We're making a show about making a food
show that's really about race and a race

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related incident happened
during our premiere.

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It's the true crime element we've
always needed. For context, we should.

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I guess just share what the
scenario is. We'll just show it.

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Hey. Hello. Hi, how are you?

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I'm good, I'm good. Are you here as well?

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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Hi.

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Sorry about that. Hello.

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Is it okay if I record this call please?

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We try to do up our game.

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Are we going to get on the
fifth episode of show? Yeah,

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episode eight.

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And then we'll accept it into
Kahan. Everybody knows Kahan.

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This is like con series. The television.

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Version?

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Yeah, the venue con series.

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We're going to France to show our film
and it's the world premier is incredible

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because we're at the stage where we're
looking to sell the documentary and so

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this is you get accepted into a film
festival and then you meet a buyer and

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then you sell it. That's
classic Hollywood story.

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So we're in the belly of the beast and

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the beast is soft and
cuddly and it's French.

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Best chef in the world.

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Harvard level chef. And we get.

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There.

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And to back off up, John, bless.

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Theo has invited 20 people.
How many people did you invite?

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35. 35 people.

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It's giving mafia babe mashed.

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Potatoes. It's like the two Na.
Okay, I need to try my IES and pizza.

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I think for you with
Arche Cheese. Two for me.

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Okay. What is this one? Like your
mac and cheese. Such a good one.

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Good one. Good. Mac and cheese.

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Laugh off. You didn't like
that. This is a 3D camera.

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It was the best time ever.

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I'll be like.

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What are you doing?

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Thanks so much to both of you.

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They didn't let me in the
red carpet part and part,

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I mean until I showed
the thing we had fake.

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This is also intimidating.

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How do you feel.

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Like, is this a trip for you? Be
honest. Normal. Now shut up here.

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Just be honest.

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This is every day. I mean,
this was all part of the plan.

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God's plan.

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Yeah. First of many obviously.
See, look on the screen. That's it.

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So yeah, normal shit.

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All right. You want to show
your feelings actually, or no?

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Yeah, it's whatever your turn.

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Just an emotionally
stunted man. All right.

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Let's hear your emotions.

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Emotional, man. I'm ready. I just need
to pee right now. But how do you feel?

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I don't know how I feel to be honest.

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It feels like this has
nothing to do with us.

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Ceremony is about to begin. Hey.

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There, you're.

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I mean you're on the screen.

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It's a great honor for me
and a great joy to declare.

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Can series 2024 open?

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If you take a video,

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you're a filmmaker. So
first you and Tuesday.

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And after the.

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We're in con for, I don't know how
many days, five days or something.

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About a week total. Yeah.

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About a week, right? We're
there for work, right?

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We're there to show our film and
then also to try and sell it.

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And then the sort of culminating
event was our premier,

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and so everything was building
up towards that moment.

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Hi, and welcome everyone.

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Welcome to the third and final screen
of the day for the documentary series.

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Before launching the show, I
would like you to give a warm,

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warm welcome to the heart to swallow
team here in the room with us.

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Did we also do the red carpet at
that time? Same day. Same day.

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It was like a lot of things were happen.

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Heard hooked on me. Good luck.

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Hi mom.

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Yeah, it was just like an emotionally
exciting day. Go sign, autograph.

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Swallow we go.

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Nice to meet you.

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You guys can, so I'll translate
as we go. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

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Sun, I'm going to start
with you. You're a chef,

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but this series is called a food
show that's not about food. Why?

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Tell us about that.

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Basically,

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we just used food as a way to talk
about larger social political issues.

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And how did the screening go
when you did it this morning?

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Everybody loved it. The crowd went
crazy. It was the hit of the century.

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And in the series we see some of audience
members who are filmed while they're

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watching the series. Did you
film anybody in candidate?

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You never put the camera down. He's
filming. You're in the show now.

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Oh no. I'm happy to be in it with you
guys. I really liked it. And Tunde,

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I know that you did work as a chef.
Have you tried any French food yet?

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Anything you like in particular?

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I can't say my true feelings.

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You can't what?

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He's lying. He loved the Escargo last.

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Night. Snails. You got
to love that. Alright,

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well good luck for the competition and
thanks for coming here, Ken. Thank you.

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Welcome America. Nigeria in the house.

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Hard to swallow. Oh yeah.

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Anyway, doing vice 35 people. Welcome.

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To the team from heart to swallow.
Shake it on the dance floor.

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Strike a pose, take a
selfie, the pink carpet.

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Feel free to move. Show us what you got.

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People who contributed mostly who
had done work for us for little or

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no money, like.

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Music and editing and all of that stuff.

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Come to our after party.

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You.

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Asked.

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If we could.

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So Zakiya is like the best dj and she
said she was going to bring her USB thing

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to France and so I asked if there were
any opportunities and they invited us to

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DJ the after party on the
night of our premiere.

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Oh, I thought you'd asked if we could.

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No, they offered generously for us to.

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Yeah, so

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we go to the party,

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friends are DJing. It's like amazing.

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Actually the most amazing thing being
in the south of France and having your

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friends DJ party right
after your big premiere.

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Your big premiere.

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It's just an emotionally
exciting day and it felt like

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a nice cap on all of our work.

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I think when I come in, my
mom kicked off her shoes

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just sliding around doing the
fairy dance. I was like, oh,

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shout out to your mom. Your
dad is just moving his hip.

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Like somebody who has a lot of money
in his 401k. Then Theo comes on,

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not Theo,

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shed Theo Martin who's also a
contributor to the show with his music.

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And then Theo starts playing
some southern rap from fucking

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1998. So I don't know if it was
Trick Daddy or Snappy Fingers. Yes.

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It was just going off. I'm like,

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I haven't heard these songs in years.

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Then the whole dance floor goes
crazy and by whole dance's flow,

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I mean us.

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It felt perfect and it was amazing.
I was having such a good time.

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You're dancing, you're
drinking, you're with friends,

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everybody is hyping everybody up.
It's like such a fucking party.

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And then ais comes up next

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and then they started playing
and that's when I went crazy.

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But then the bullshit started
happening. What the fuck?

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Something started happening
to their sound system.

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The shit they saying, I'm going
to stay open, so what? Right.

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I'm just going to be, he
needs be ready. Sorry,

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the macro beat

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Beat 2024.

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Can I play one more song.

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Guys? People started coming to a Keys
and telling them that they had to.

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I think an important distinction is
they had gone up to Zakia and them

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way before any of the technical
difficulties talking about how

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the music wasn't commercial enough
and that French people weren't dancing

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because the music wasn't commercial.

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Can you please change the music
to something more commercial?

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Which predated the technical issues,

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which made it seem like
that was the issue.

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Yeah. They had come and told us that we
should tell our friends to stop playing

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because there's a technical issue and
that they have to return back to the

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original dj. And I'm like, fuck it, let
'em return back to your original dj.

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Those

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they just kept coming back to me. I'm
like, this is stressful for no reason.

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Yeah, they were increasingly hostile.

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Five people surrounding the DJ booth also.

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None of the other ones
aren't loading. Yeah.

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The system wasn't working right for
most of the DJs. It was happening.

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To date.

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I mean these are just their accounts
that they've recorded for us too that we

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could just play.

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I flew out here for this. I
spent my own money to come.

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I put my own time and effort into
putting a set list together and

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the way that people were
approaching me was really hostile.

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The sense of urgency just felt
so unnecessary and also just

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like we weren't getting paid to do this,

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so for us to get treated this
way just felt like a slap

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in the face to me.

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They start playing and then it's
awkward. Now, con series, program,

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staff and the director,
they're apologizing.

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They're saying that they're sorry and
then we realized that they're apologizing

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because they understand that
they fucked up by telling

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POC folks playing what
is mostly black music

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to start playing music
and play more pop music,

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which they still didn't explain what the
fuck that meant because everything that

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was being played was pop music and black
music is pop music except for Taylor

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Swift, which is whatever.
I'll give the black music too.

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So we make an executive decision and
they say we are all going to leave the

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party.

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Downtown. Shit, we're getting kicked out.

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Can't party because it was too bay
area, too lit, too ugly with it,

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but hard to swallow. Hard to swallow.

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And one of them said to me on the way
out, I'm just glad you're not filming.

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Well, we need to leave because the French.

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They lost it.

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No, terrible, terrible despite
that we've had a good day.

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What's up?

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What happened was France will
never beat the racist allegations

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and tell me why. And I'm from Congo.

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That's the long as backstory. And then.

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Oh God, there's more shit.

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And then they called me the next morning.

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You I'm with Alba, how are you?

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I'm.

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All right. How are you?

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Really wanted to chat with you.
Thank you for accepting the call.

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Sure.

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We wanted to chat about
what happened yesterday.

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Yeah.

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During the party to say
that we deeply apologize

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for what happened, I wanted
to make it very clear,

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but what happened was
not made the right way,

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but there was lots of
miscommunication on our side,

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but it's entirely awful and to apologize.

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So they were saying they
would do anything we want.

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It was the worst thing that ever happened.

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Just tell them what to do and
they'll do it. And I'm like.

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I'll talk to people and
see what they think.

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And then we all met up
later that day. I think.

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I didn't You weren't there.

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No.

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Oh yeah. Everybody else decided there
wasn't really anything that they could

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offer that would feel right,

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so we could just help them understand
how it was experienced and so that

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it wouldn't happen again.

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And so we met them in person A couple
of days later had a little chat that the

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festival director said
it was all his fault.

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He made the call as a general manager of,

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I took the entire.

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Responsibility of what.

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Basically said that it was an
artistic direction mistake.

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We have envisioned the proper musical
artistic direction for the evenings.

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We explained that people had
come all that way on their own

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dime and some people did
want something in return.

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It was a bad experience and they ended
up on a third call offering a thousand

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euros to the DJs to share.

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Knowing that the envelope
is not that huge,

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we have to figure out we could
do a thousand euros total.

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To five DJs or something. So
that's like 200 euros per person.

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Money without action just absolves
their conscience but does nothing and is

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pretty fucking useless.

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So I wouldn't even want to take anything
unless they were doing some shit.

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They were making some changes.

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And they decided to pass on that.

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You also offered to have a conversation
with them about how to prevent these

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kind of things or how to be
more diverse in general and they

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didn't take that offer either.

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Yeah, that's a great summary. Theo.

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Wait, I think I need to switch cards.

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Alright.

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Theo is excited about Centering's
episode around allegation of racism.

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I disagree.

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Which is ironic because
I'm the one whose work

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is supposedly about race and racism
and the way Theo describes it

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just makes it a little bit tepid
because well the next two or three days

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after that event, that was all that
we were talking about as a group,

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you were recording people's testimonies.

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It felt like the truth and
reconciliation commission,

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I didn't want to invest the
energy and all that it takes,

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which is what is happening now
into extrapolating that into this

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teaching or learning moment about race.

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Not to say that what happened
wasn't terrible or unkind or

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unprofessional or even racist,

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it's just there are
vistas that haven't been

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explored around disparity
and to me the most panoramic

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vista is not racial disparities material
disparity. We're talking about class.

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It was also a class thing.

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It was race and class dynamics
at play during that event.

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I think first of all, you're making a
lot of assumptions about the different

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class demographics in that space.

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It's all relative.

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I'm guessing the demographic
of the rest of the party was on

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average very different than
the people on the dance floor.

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No. For me that relativity,

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what is relatively about class is
working class people in the global

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south and affluent people
in the global north.

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That is the fucking shit that I see.

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The scale isn't like the white person
in K that is next to me richer than me.

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And so if something happens then
I can lean into that disparity.

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I have to have context

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that I am in rarefied space.

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I just don't think it's not important.

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You weren't affected directly by this
and other people were and therefore

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us being in between the person who
was affected and the people who

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affected them have a responsibility
to take their wishes,

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how they wanted to deal with it into
account and try to do that even though

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it's a micro incident of
racism or whatever classism,

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everyone could benefit from understanding
how those things happen because they

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happen often and you
don't think that's worth.

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Well I'm glad you said what you
said because you were the engine

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behind this reparative drive. For me,

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I just felt like if we have
some sort of social capital

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because people were rude or racist,
this is not how I want to spend it.

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But it wasn't yours, you said
it wasn't between you and them,

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it wasn't mine, but we were creating
in my mind and on critical response,

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a response that didn't consider
our class subject position being

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in ka.

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I mean I think you're coming from
your own perspective dealing with

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hypocrisies and shit and whatever.

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I won't say that I think say it Theo.

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Well I think you've turned
in towards yourself a lot.

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I've noticed in that you're like,
should I have? Yeah, what do you think?

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No, no, let's stay on that. I've turned
to myself and what does that mean?

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You've.

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Really tried to stop
villainizing individuals.

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You've been very hesitant or
wary to call anyone racist or

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make any kind of allegation of anything.

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You're reading the book class politics
is the only politics or something and

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shit like that. But what
else should I have done?

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Should I have not stood up for them?

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I don't know what you should have done.
I think since you're talking about me,

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I'll talk about you a little bit.

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I think you are like
captain savior motherfucker

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for real.

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You think that when you stand up
for what you think is injustice

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that you are creating
justice or something,

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a certain kind of identitarian politics,

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you think it's your job as
a liberal white man to save

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or stand in or stand in the gap
for people of color and other

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marginal groups. But I don't think
you have been critical in assessing

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what the crucial identity at play is.

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That's another thing. As this was
happening, you were like, oh my god,

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this is going to be so
great for the documentary.

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And you kept saying that and you
kept filming and I'm just like, no,

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this is like, and I didn't want to
put this in the documentary. It.

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Was kind of ironically an interesting

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example of the thesis of the show,

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which is that certain people get
treated differently or valued

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differently and even among
well-meaning people. So.

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I don't know what you
should have done personally.

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I think you did what you felt that
you should do, which is stand up for

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marginalized.

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My friends.

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Right? That is wonderful.
Stand up for your friends. But.

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I was also the only person who
could, the festival contacted me,

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nobody else knows them. No one
else could communicate between.

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I could.

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You didn't want to. Obviously.

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I said that this is not a problem.

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Well, they felt it was a problem.

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It is a problem in that
the bullshit happened,

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but then the sort of insistence on

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narrativizing it as
racist and the interest in

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publishing that in the dark,
which is what we are doing.

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It doesn't do the work
that I'm trying to do.

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What's the word you're trying to.

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The work that I'm trying to do is to

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work towards material
equity for all people,

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but my starting point is working
class black people globally,

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working class black people.

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That's my frame of reference
anyway. I can go on forever.

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This is like when Oprah went
to the me store and she wasn't

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let in and she called it
racist. I guess Oprah,

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I guess you could say that
if you wanted to, but really.

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I mean I agree that's way
bigger importance scale wise,

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whatever, but I don't understand why
dismissing somebody's experience.

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It is not dismissing.

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I think if we have a platform which
we do to talk about important things,

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I'm not trying to elevate my,

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it is not.

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Even yours.

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But I'm giving examples.

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If I'm not trying to elevate
my personal struggles,

00:25:45.100 --> 00:25:48.840
why would I elevate somebody's personal
struggles when they are collective

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struggles that can be elevated on the
platform using the last episode of our

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show to talk about a racist event at

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a really show like hoity
toity party in France.

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That's our example of racism.

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This is the first time this
is coming up basically. No.

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It's not the first time this is coming
up and initially our plan was to make

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more direct connections
around class globally.

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It has always been that when by connecting
Detroits to the global south New

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Orleans to the global south and disaster
capitalism. So since the beginning,

00:26:25.150 --> 00:26:26.560
this has always been the case.

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We've created this show which is now
seemingly all about race and taking down

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white people, which is
a fucking distraction.

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That's not what this shit is.

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So the logical conclusion is
what you explaining what's

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actually important.

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I mean logical conclusion
is that we get a season two,

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we get paid money and
then we stayed there.

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That's logical conclusion.

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I dunno, man. I think that's it.
I think that's it too. All right,

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cool.

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One, two.

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Yeah, that was quite amazing. Thank you.

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I love the whole series and I really
responded to a lot of issues that you

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raised and just the
look and the feel of it.

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I do in a sense want
another episode after that.

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It's so profoundly captures the struggle.
You were really sweating in that film.

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Literally. It just was. I could see that.

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Struggle. It's almost
like I'm going crazy.

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I'm criticizing all the white people
around me and then finally I criticized

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Theo, the last white person
standing. I'm just like,

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who the fuck is this person
I'm seeing on the screen? She.

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There's also a disservice that's
happening with the audiences.

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People don't even realize that they're
being cheated out of the experience of

00:28:19.410 --> 00:28:20.890
seeing this by these gatekeepers.

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There's got to be a way to
sort of include that in this.

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And where are Escar going everyone?
Dang, why are you getting in my way?

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Someone said, what if we could show film
where compromise happened? I'm like,

00:28:37.040 --> 00:28:39.250
what if we could just show
people shutting the fuck up.