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- Now that we're gonna get
 hitched here,

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now it's--she's not
 just borrowing my last name.

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She'll have my last name,
 so--

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'cause she didn't have
 one of her own before.

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- Are you going to California?

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- Oh, gosh no.
 No, we can't afford that.

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- I mean, where can
you get married?

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- Well, I--

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- You can't get married
 in Illinois, can you?

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- We understood that you had
a reverend here

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that was gonna do that
 kind of stuff.

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[cheers and applause]

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- Do you, John, take Jackie
 here to be your bride,

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to love her, honor her,
 care for her,

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treat her with kindness
 and affection

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for as long as you shall live?

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- I do.

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- You're married.
 [laughter]

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Go.

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[cheers and applause]

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[gentle music]

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♪ ♪

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[indistinct talking on TV]

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♪ ♪

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- I'm sure they weren't
expecting that.

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♪ ♪

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Hi, I'm John.

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I'm a 54-year-old
 working stiff

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living in
 a retirement community

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where I'm just old enough
 to get in

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and been working for a while,
so they love us.

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They don't mind our lifestyle.

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♪ ♪

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Harpo.
Oh, that's a cute name.

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He's got the right hair for it.
[chuckles]

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- Yeah, right?
It's Harpo Marx.

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- Harpo was always my favorite.

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- Oh, really?
Yeah, yeah, mine too.

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♪ ♪

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[door creaks open]

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[door shuts]

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- I might have
the other wedding on here

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and the proposal.

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I don't think so,
but it might.

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That's our wedding,
Jackie's and mine,

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and some stuff of
the copy at the zoo

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and some of the float stuff
from the parade.

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♪ ♪

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Okay, there we go.

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[cheers and applause]

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all: Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!

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- Some say there's a fine line

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between fact and fantasy.

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Please meet John.

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He says he's found
 the perfect woman.

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- I wasn't so heavy back then.

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I found the woman
 of my dreams.

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I'm not dressed for a wedding.

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She's everything
 I want her to be,

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and she's kind and patient,

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and she's a good listener...
[audience awws]

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and, uh...

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- You're on the wrong show.

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[cheering]

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- Oh, okay.

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[gentle music]

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♪ ♪

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- These are all mixed up.

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Here's a picture of us
from a parade,

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just after a parade in '08.

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I think that was '08.

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She's the Lady Dulcinea,
and I was Don Quixote.

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I've already got my armor off.

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Um...

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That's her on the balcony.

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That was our beautiful balcony
we had out there,

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which she loved
and I loved, too,

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but let me see if there's--

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we have
some pictures in here

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with some of our friends
in Addison.

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I'm trying to think if I have--

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I don't think
any in here will have--

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but that's
our friend Brian.

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That was out at our place
in Addison.

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And that's Morgan.

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That's an old kind
of friend of ours.

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She's not too pleased
with me anymore, I don't know.

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I'm not the best person
in the world,

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but well, what the hey.

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That's a picture of us kissing
when we were--early on.

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Somebody inside--
I think Morgan took that.

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That was a whole long process.

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It was actually my stepson

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that showed me
 the RealDoll website,

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which I was--you know, I said,
 "Yeah, right, uh-huh."

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He said, "No,
they're really creepy, Dad.

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They look, like, really real."

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I said, "Yeah, right,"

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so he punched it up
on the computer,

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and I saw some
of the pictures,

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and I could not believe
 how real they looked,

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and I was like, "Oh, my God.
I have to have one."

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If you put this in
"LIFE" magazine

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with an advertisement
underneath it,

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nobody would ever guess.

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They'd say,
"There's the sexy lady

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advertising the makeup
or the car," or whatever.

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She was $7,000 brand-new,

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so I worked my ass off
to pay for it, to pay for her,

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because that was--
she was something I wanted,

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and she was someone I wanted.

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She was everything I wanted,

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and you were worth every penny,
and you know that.

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Replacing her body,
the base price, I think,

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is about 6,000 right now.

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It'll probably go up again.

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I think it's kind of
 bottomed out,

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but we want other things done.

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We want custom work,
 but, you know, for a--

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for a few thousand extra,
 how far he'll go,

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I don't know.

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The knees I didn't
stay on top of.

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Her right leg is detached.

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Her hip joint is completely
 failed at this point,

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so she's--the jeans
 are holding it on.

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[engine starts]

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Here we are.

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There we go.
There we go.

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Much better.

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Okay.

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Her neck joint
needs a lot of work.

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There we go.

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[gentle music]

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♪ ♪

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- Mommy!
[indistinct shouting]

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Mommy!

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Mommy!

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- Excuse me, why are you, uh--
- Oh, this is my wife, Jackie.

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She's my sweetheart.
- Okay.

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- After what I went through
with my ex,

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no more, no more cheating.

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RealDolls don't cheat.

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They don't lie,
they don't steal.

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And she does let me
keep my mouth shut

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at appropriate times.
[laughs]

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She says,
"That's a difficult task."

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- You're very interesting.
Ha.

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- What did he say?
- He says his wife.

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- I think she's very beautiful.
- Oh, thank you.

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- And she's very quiet, though.

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♪ ♪

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- She keeps me honest.
She keeps me happy.

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She's--
- I was just curious.

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- I'm trying to learn
the Zen from her.

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She's just so--
so calm and so collected

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and so much
more mature than me.

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- I hear you. Cool.
All right, man.

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- That's not a real person.

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- No, that--well,
it's a real person.

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She's a silicone person.

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- Am I being silly?
- Silicone?

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- No, she's made of silicone.
- So why is she here?

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What is she--what is she--
- Well, she's my wife.

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She's my sweetheart.
- Oh.

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- And she doesn't cheat,
unlike my ex-wife,

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who may have been flesh
and blood, but then again--

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- What is she really for?

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- Except the guy that
put the ring on her finger.

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Just we're married like
any other married couple.

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You know, it's not legal,

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but then for a lot of--

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you know, gay couples
wasn't legal till recently.

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- Is this guy--
is this for real?

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Is he really serious?

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[indistinct chatter]

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[birds squawking]

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Would you like another scoop?
Okay.

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Yeah.
- It was nice talking to you.

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- It was nice talking to you
again too, take care.

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- You too.
- And thank you.

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- We've seen him for years.

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He's been here for years,

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but he's very polite and nice,
and...

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I have no complaints.
What are you gonna do?

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If it makes him happy,
 go for it,

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and he's not bothering anyone.

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Let him do
 what he needs to do.

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- Some people
 don't understand.

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Some people think it's a gag.

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Some people think
 it's horrible.

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Occasionally
the person gets nasty.

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We've had--we've had
a couple of other people

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who have gotten nasty and say,
"You can't do that.

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You shouldn't have that here.
Blah, blah, blah, blah."

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Well, it's none of
their business, you know?

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[indistinct chatter]

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[jazzy music playing
 over speakers]

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Oh, we always get--her favorite
is the bacon-wrapped dates.

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These things are incredible.

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There we are.
That's lovely stuff.

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♪ ♪

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We communicate,
 more or less.

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She has her own body,
but we share the same brain,

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so she has her own
private spaces in here.

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She has access to everything.
She knows everything about me.

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I don't know
everything about her.

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That's the point, is that
she has places in my head

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that she develops independently
that are subconscious to me,

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so that way,
she can surprise me.

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Hello.

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That's John.

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- John, how you doing?
- Okay, how about you?

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- Okay.
- We love it.

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The customers
 are wonderful people.

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John and Tony
 are wonderful people.

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The wait staff
 are wonderful people.

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Okay, um...
- What did you have last time?

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- Well, I had steak
last time.

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I think I'll just have Alfredo
on--excuse me--on linguini.

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- Linguini Alfredo?
- Yeah.

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- I don't discriminate
 for any reason with anyone,

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and he's a perfect gentleman
 when he comes in,

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and there are people

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that probably are nervous
 around him,

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but then there are likewise
 other people

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that ask to be seated
 near him.

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- Yeah, so we just like
this place so much.

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- And we like having you come.

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- Thank you.
- Thank you very much.

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You know, I grew up
on the east side of Detroit,

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and I was the only white guy
in the neighborhood.

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So I know what it's like
to be different, all right?

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It doesn't make you bad.
 You're just different.

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He's a gentle person.
 He doesn't bother anybody.

00:10:00.334 --> 00:10:02.268
- There you go.

00:10:02.292 --> 00:10:06.083
[indistinct talking]

00:10:13.918 --> 00:10:15.226
- They were here
Valentine's Day,

00:10:15.250 --> 00:10:17.685
so I saw him Valentine's Day.
- Every Valentine's Day.

00:10:17.709 --> 00:10:18.810 position:80%
- Yes, right, right, right.

00:10:18.834 --> 00:10:20.476
- She takes good care of us.
- Yeah.

00:10:20.500 --> 00:10:22.894
And there are people that
call up and make reservations

00:10:22.918 --> 00:10:25.810 position:80%
to be by them
for Valentine's Day.

00:10:25.834 --> 00:10:27.768
- I was married
 to a flesh-and-blood person

00:10:27.792 --> 00:10:29.810
for eight years,
and it didn't work out.

00:10:29.834 --> 00:10:32.685
So now I'm with Jackie,
and we're happy,

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and it is weird,
but it's good weird.

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Weird doesn't
 necessarily mean bad.

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Two, three.

00:10:42.417 --> 00:10:44.143
Okay.

00:10:44.167 --> 00:10:47.226 line:20%
[gentle music]

00:10:47.250 --> 00:10:52.560 line:20%
♪ ♪

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- I definitely was
 very driven to create art,

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and I was definitely
 very drawn to the female form.

00:11:01.959 --> 00:11:05.935 line:20%
This turned into
 a different kind of arena

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for selling art for me,

00:11:07.542 --> 00:11:11.268 line:20%
but, you know, if they weren't
these kind of dolls,

00:11:11.292 --> 00:11:13.351 line:20%
I'd be making some other
kind of,

00:11:13.375 --> 00:11:15.976 line:20%
you know, similar work,

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and just, again,

00:11:17.334 --> 00:11:20.476 position:20%
you know, very grateful to be
making a living doing art.

00:11:20.500 --> 00:11:24.310
The process of making a doll
 involves, number one,

00:11:24.334 --> 00:11:25.310
building a skeleton,

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which, you know,
 we've engineered our own parts

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and all the little pieces
 that go inside of the doll.

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These are all fabricated
 each time we make a new doll.

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That doll gets her own

00:11:35.918 --> 00:11:37.976
or his own
 special set of parts.

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So once those parts
 are engineered

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and then produced,
 they have to be assembled.

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So we assemble the entire
skeleton, more or less,

00:11:48.375 --> 00:11:52.810
which is then mounted
 in the mold.

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They then pour
the silicone in,

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and this cures usually,

00:11:57.584 --> 00:12:00.351
you know,
 within eight to ten hours,

00:12:00.375 --> 00:12:02.185
and then we're able
 to open the mold,

00:12:02.209 --> 00:12:04.351
and if all goes well
 and there's no flaws,

00:12:04.375 --> 00:12:07.727
we pull the body out,
 and someone has to go in,

00:12:07.751 --> 00:12:10.935
literally with a tiny pair
 of cuticle scissors,

00:12:10.959 --> 00:12:13.101
and trim all the way
around the doll,

00:12:13.125 --> 00:12:17.226
the flashing, the little kind
 of a membrane of silicone

00:12:17.250 --> 00:12:20.310
where the two halves
 of the mold came together,

00:12:20.334 --> 00:12:21.268
trim that all off.

00:12:21.292 --> 00:12:23.852
They go over the doll,
 basically,

00:12:23.876 --> 00:12:27.143
mark any little blemishes
or imperfections

00:12:27.167 --> 00:12:29.018
that may be present.

00:12:29.042 --> 00:12:31.083
[tool whirring]

00:12:33.167 --> 00:12:34.185
It's then airbrushed.

00:12:34.209 --> 00:12:36.976
All the details are applied,
like the nails,

00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:38.935
some subtle washes of color

00:12:38.959 --> 00:12:41.351
to kind of give it a rosiness

00:12:41.375 --> 00:12:43.768
that makes it look
 a little more alive

00:12:43.792 --> 00:12:44.768
and not so monotone

00:12:44.792 --> 00:12:47.435
'cause human skin
 is not just one color.

00:12:47.459 --> 00:12:48.852
It's actually many colors.

00:12:48.876 --> 00:12:51.727
And once that's done,
it's all sealed,

00:12:51.751 --> 00:12:52.685
and at that point,

00:12:52.709 --> 00:12:54.351
someone is working on
 the face,

00:12:54.375 --> 00:12:57.101
which is, you know,
 applying the makeup,

00:12:57.125 --> 00:13:00.018
sealing it,
 putting the eyelashes on,

00:13:00.042 --> 00:13:04.185
painting the details
 like the eyebrows, the eyes.

00:13:04.209 --> 00:13:05.768
We are now making
 our own eyes,

00:13:05.792 --> 00:13:07.560
so those have to be made
 separately,

00:13:07.584 --> 00:13:09.685
and then those are then
 put into the head,

00:13:09.709 --> 00:13:12.602
and then the head
 is matched up with the body,

00:13:12.626 --> 00:13:13.518
put the wig on.

00:13:13.542 --> 00:13:15.143
If everything looks good,

00:13:15.167 --> 00:13:16.143
it goes in a box, crate,

00:13:16.167 --> 00:13:20.351
and it is shipped off
 to a lucky customer.

00:13:20.375 --> 00:13:28.042 line:20%
♪ ♪

00:13:57.834 --> 00:14:02.059
- Whoa.
[indistinct]

00:14:02.083 --> 00:14:04.751
Let's sit her up.

00:14:06.375 --> 00:14:10.626 position:20%
Ah, that's what's happened.

00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:26.727
- Well, my name is Davecat,
 and I would describe myself,

00:14:26.751 --> 00:14:29.268
essentially,
as a synthetic activist

00:14:29.292 --> 00:14:33.852
and a person who wants to
 get people to realize

00:14:33.876 --> 00:14:35.935
that dolls
and gynoids and androids

00:14:35.959 --> 00:14:37.143
are something not to be feared

00:14:37.167 --> 00:14:39.101
but something that will
 actually be beneficial

00:14:39.125 --> 00:14:40.226
to a whole lot of people,

00:14:40.250 --> 00:14:41.810
especially in the next
 coming years.

00:14:41.834 --> 00:14:44.268
I just have always been,
 as long as I can remember,

00:14:44.292 --> 00:14:47.351
attracted to, like,
 just gynoids and artifice.

00:14:47.375 --> 00:14:51.101 position:20%
This would be the love
of my life, Sidore.

00:14:51.125 --> 00:14:54.018 position:20%
She is a RealDoll
made by Abyss Creations.

00:14:54.042 --> 00:14:57.935 position:20%
We've been together
since July of 2000.

00:14:57.959 --> 00:14:59.810 position:20%
Technically this is
her third body,

00:14:59.834 --> 00:15:01.685 position:20%
and for our tenth anniversary
we both got matching

00:15:01.709 --> 00:15:07.059
wedding bands that say,
"Synthetic love lasts forever."

00:15:07.083 --> 00:15:08.768 position:20%
Yeah, she has been

00:15:08.792 --> 00:15:10.018 position:20%
a fantastic source
of contentment

00:15:10.042 --> 00:15:16.602
and love and a creativity
 in my life, and I--

00:15:16.626 --> 00:15:18.476
literally, you can,
like, split up my life into,

00:15:18.500 --> 00:15:21.143 position:20%
like, before Sidore
and after Sidore.

00:15:21.167 --> 00:15:23.935 position:20%
I don't do it a lot,
but I mean, there is that.

00:15:23.959 --> 00:15:27.518 position:20%
So I'm very glad
that she's here,

00:15:27.542 --> 00:15:29.643 position:20%
and she's very glad
to be here.

00:15:29.667 --> 00:15:32.727 position:20%
She is always appreciative
of the fact that, like,

00:15:32.751 --> 00:15:35.268 position:20%
I not only love her
for what she is

00:15:35.292 --> 00:15:37.393 position:20%
but the fact
that she is a doll,

00:15:37.417 --> 00:15:39.685 position:20%
and I love her
because she's a doll.

00:15:39.709 --> 00:15:42.101
For the longest time
 she was just a girlfriend,

00:15:42.125 --> 00:15:45.602
and I can't remember
 at what exact date I decided,

00:15:45.626 --> 00:15:47.518
"Oh, no, she's just my wife."

00:15:47.542 --> 00:15:50.685 position:20%
So this would be
Elena Vostrikova,

00:15:50.709 --> 00:15:52.560 position:20%
Elena Valeria Vostrikova.

00:15:52.584 --> 00:15:54.310 position:20%
Horrible with Russian,
so bear with me.

00:15:54.334 --> 00:15:55.852
There's a term
for what we have.

00:15:55.876 --> 00:15:59.560
It's, I believe, called
hierarchical polyamory,

00:15:59.584 --> 00:16:00.935
and I hope
I'm not screwing that up.

00:16:00.959 --> 00:16:04.185
Basically, that means that,
like, we're all in love

00:16:04.209 --> 00:16:05.518
with each other,
it's all equal,

00:16:05.542 --> 00:16:08.351
but the thing is,
Sidore will always be my wife.

00:16:08.375 --> 00:16:09.768
Elena will never be my wife.

00:16:09.792 --> 00:16:11.310
I will never have
any other wives.

00:16:11.334 --> 00:16:15.976
She's number one
as far as the triangle goes.

00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:17.602
There are
 very few opportunities

00:16:17.626 --> 00:16:19.685
that people have
in day-to-day existence

00:16:19.709 --> 00:16:21.018
to meet that perfect partner.

00:16:21.042 --> 00:16:23.143
You know,
 I'll tell you this:

00:16:23.167 --> 00:16:24.560 position:20%
Sidore and Elena
are not perfect,

00:16:24.584 --> 00:16:25.894 position:20%
and the reason
why they're not perfect

00:16:25.918 --> 00:16:28.101
is because
they're not actually gynoids.

00:16:28.125 --> 00:16:29.935 position:20%
They're not actually
humanoid robots.

00:16:29.959 --> 00:16:33.768 position:20%
If I could take Elena
to, like, a concert,

00:16:33.792 --> 00:16:37.518
or if Shi-chan and I could,
like, hit a museum or whatever,

00:16:37.542 --> 00:16:39.226 position:20%
or, like, you know,
go to the cemetery

00:16:39.250 --> 00:16:42.018 position:20%
and, like, throw hunks of bread
at ducks or whatever,

00:16:42.042 --> 00:16:44.685
if, like, Lenka could drive me
to work or I could drive her

00:16:44.709 --> 00:16:47.435 position:20%
to the shops or whatever,
then that would be perfect,

00:16:47.459 --> 00:16:51.476 position:20%
but, you know,
they're dolls, so...

00:16:51.500 --> 00:16:53.226
There's a hole
in the back of the neck

00:16:53.250 --> 00:16:55.226
that basically this
just screws into,

00:16:55.250 --> 00:16:57.268
and that way
you can suspend them,

00:16:57.292 --> 00:16:59.852
and it is loads easier
to suspend them

00:16:59.876 --> 00:17:01.018
from a hook than it is to,

00:17:01.042 --> 00:17:04.310
like, try to get them
 changed on a bed.

00:17:04.334 --> 00:17:07.393
[mellow music]

00:17:07.417 --> 00:17:10.435
♪ ♪

00:17:10.459 --> 00:17:11.852
I haven't been
actively looking

00:17:11.876 --> 00:17:15.101
for an organic girlfriend
in probably about, like,

00:17:15.125 --> 00:17:17.101
eight years, if not longer.

00:17:17.125 --> 00:17:21.018
Like, as iDollator, basically,
you have to walk two worlds.

00:17:21.042 --> 00:17:23.602
You incorporate the fact
that they're people

00:17:23.626 --> 00:17:26.101
in their own way,
but they're also things.

00:17:26.125 --> 00:17:27.976 position:20%
They're also art, you know?

00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:29.393
But I guess this is art

00:17:29.417 --> 00:17:32.143
that I choose to live with
as a companion.

00:17:32.167 --> 00:17:39.834
♪ ♪

00:17:50.334 --> 00:17:53.476
It is an unusual way to live

00:17:53.500 --> 00:17:55.935
and maybe not
the most traditional thing,

00:17:55.959 --> 00:17:57.268
but then there's a lot
of things

00:17:57.292 --> 00:18:00.185 position:80%
that weren't traditional,
like, 50, 60 years ago

00:18:00.209 --> 00:18:01.226
that are commonplace now.

00:18:01.250 --> 00:18:03.810 position:80%
So I think it's just a matter
of time before people say,

00:18:03.834 --> 00:18:07.476
"Okay, well, maybe
this whole synthetic option

00:18:07.500 --> 00:18:08.685
"that he keeps going on about

00:18:08.709 --> 00:18:10.602 position:80%
is something that
I should look into."

00:18:10.626 --> 00:18:13.560
- So the anatomically
correct part?

00:18:13.584 --> 00:18:14.810
- Yes.
- How does that work?

00:18:14.834 --> 00:18:18.518
- Well, much in the way
you would expect it to work.

00:18:18.542 --> 00:18:20.852
[laughing]
It's a--

00:18:20.876 --> 00:18:25.101
we use...this,

00:18:25.125 --> 00:18:29.018
which was actually recommended
by a fellow iDollator,

00:18:29.042 --> 00:18:31.268
which is--
it's better than K-Y.

00:18:31.292 --> 00:18:32.351
You need lubricant.

00:18:32.375 --> 00:18:35.185
You need lubricant
because it's--

00:18:35.209 --> 00:18:36.268
I've seen so many people

00:18:36.292 --> 00:18:39.268
who make love to their dolls
and don't use lubricant,

00:18:39.292 --> 00:18:41.685
and it's--
there's tearing involved.

00:18:41.709 --> 00:18:43.185
It's horrible, you know?

00:18:43.209 --> 00:18:44.476
But this actually
is not a liquid.

00:18:44.500 --> 00:18:46.727
It's actually, like--
works like a gel,

00:18:46.751 --> 00:18:49.768
and it's very effective,
so yeah.

00:18:49.792 --> 00:18:52.351
- And then how about
the cleaning part?

00:18:52.375 --> 00:18:54.768
- The cleaning,
there are special tools,

00:18:54.792 --> 00:18:57.476
let's just say,
that are involved with that.

00:18:57.500 --> 00:18:59.810
What I am actually looking into

00:18:59.834 --> 00:19:01.976
is having a fellow iDollator

00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:04.143
make, like, a stand
a lot like that

00:19:04.167 --> 00:19:06.059
but that will fit in
a tub and--

00:19:06.083 --> 00:19:08.185
so that I can actually,
like, hose her down,

00:19:08.209 --> 00:19:10.059
clean everything out,
that sort of thing.

00:19:10.083 --> 00:19:12.435
- But how do you do it now?
- There's, like, a sheet.

00:19:12.459 --> 00:19:15.435
I have a bed sheet, basically,
that I, like, put on the floor

00:19:15.459 --> 00:19:19.810
and, like, use, and it's just,
like--you know, it's a hassle,

00:19:19.834 --> 00:19:24.727
but obviously you want to clean
that area out, so...

00:19:24.751 --> 00:19:26.476
- So you take a sheet
and, like,

00:19:26.500 --> 00:19:28.393
stick your hand inside
and clean it out?

00:19:28.417 --> 00:19:29.310
- There's like, a--

00:19:29.334 --> 00:19:33.852
it's, like, basically
a bulb with a syringe, so...

00:19:33.876 --> 00:19:35.059 position:20%
- Do you have it in there?

00:19:35.083 --> 00:19:36.810
- It's elsewhere,
let's just say.

00:19:36.834 --> 00:19:38.768
- All right.
- Yeah. So...

00:19:38.792 --> 00:19:41.185
But yeah, it's--
it's worth it.

00:19:41.209 --> 00:19:42.643
A large part of it
is self-deception.

00:19:42.667 --> 00:19:46.393
It's just, like, right, well,
okay, she can't really love me

00:19:46.417 --> 00:19:47.685
because she's
not really a she.

00:19:47.709 --> 00:19:49.976
She's an it,
but on the other half,

00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:51.435
it's just like,
no, she does love me

00:19:51.459 --> 00:19:53.185
because I've created
a personality for her,

00:19:53.209 --> 00:19:55.310
and that gives her
her own sort of spirit,

00:19:55.334 --> 00:20:00.334
ideas, soul, personality,
likes, dislikes, et cetera.

00:20:06.209 --> 00:20:10.000
[mechanical whirring]

00:20:25.542 --> 00:20:28.560
- This is kid goat hair,

00:20:28.584 --> 00:20:31.185
mohair from a goat.

00:20:31.209 --> 00:20:32.310
Her hair hasn't been finished.

00:20:32.334 --> 00:20:35.810
I just have to warm up her head
for six or so minutes,

00:20:35.834 --> 00:20:39.435 position:20%
and then I'll get her hair.

00:20:39.459 --> 00:20:42.310 position:20%
This was a custom
for a good friend of mine.

00:20:42.334 --> 00:20:45.101
So I used about six different
colors of hair

00:20:45.125 --> 00:20:46.059
on this baby's head

00:20:46.083 --> 00:20:48.976
just to give it a natural
highlights and lowlights.

00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:52.976
She has reds and blondes
and browns and auburns

00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:58.542
and even a couple pieces
of my own hair.

00:21:00.417 --> 00:21:03.059
I had been
 researching the dolls

00:21:03.083 --> 00:21:04.976
and the properties
 of cuddle therapy,

00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:07.518
so I called a nursing home
 just down the street,

00:21:07.542 --> 00:21:10.435
and we set up a time
where we went down there

00:21:10.459 --> 00:21:11.976
with about 11 reborns

00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:14.810
that I had made
 and did cuddle therapy

00:21:14.834 --> 00:21:19.393
with the residents
of the Alzheimer's ward.

00:21:19.417 --> 00:21:22.435 position:20%
Are you gonna hold a baby?

00:21:22.459 --> 00:21:24.351
Come on.
Come hold her.

00:21:24.375 --> 00:21:28.560
- Oh. You are a doll.

00:21:28.584 --> 00:21:30.560
Yes, you are.

00:21:30.584 --> 00:21:32.768
Yes, you are.

00:21:32.792 --> 00:21:34.518
She doesn't bat an eye.

00:21:34.542 --> 00:21:36.518
She's looks right
in your eye.

00:21:36.542 --> 00:21:37.476
- Right in your eyes.

00:21:37.500 --> 00:21:39.894
- Yes, and I think
it's beautiful.

00:21:39.918 --> 00:21:42.101
- I mean, just,
it's so lifelike,

00:21:42.125 --> 00:21:45.435
and to them it's--
it is real.

00:21:45.459 --> 00:21:49.059
- [humming]

00:21:49.083 --> 00:21:49.976
Look at those eyes.

00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:52.727
- They are beautiful.
- They're just beautiful.

00:21:52.751 --> 00:21:55.476
- It just brings out
 that mother emotion

00:21:55.500 --> 00:21:57.268
and that mother instinct,

00:21:57.292 --> 00:21:59.810
and Marilyn was just fixated,

00:21:59.834 --> 00:22:01.310
couldn't take her eyes off it.

00:22:01.334 --> 00:22:04.976
- You're a beautiful child.
Yes, you are.

00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:09.643
You can come to my house
and do it anytime you want.

00:22:09.667 --> 00:22:11.685
- Would you like
to hold the baby?

00:22:11.709 --> 00:22:13.894
- Okay.
- Okay?

00:22:13.918 --> 00:22:16.476 position:20%
- That's--ohhh.

00:22:16.500 --> 00:22:18.476 position:20%
[indistinct]

00:22:18.500 --> 00:22:23.685
I think some of them
will have a bigger wave, like,

00:22:23.709 --> 00:22:24.810
and this was open.

00:22:24.834 --> 00:22:28.101
I blew out of a house.

00:22:28.125 --> 00:22:32.810
Fantastic.
I looked forward to it.

00:22:32.834 --> 00:22:33.560
- Oh.

00:22:33.584 --> 00:22:35.976 position:80%
- 'Cause Marilyn
was stuck on her eyes.

00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:38.602
- Hi, baby.
[kisses]

00:22:38.626 --> 00:22:40.059 position:20%
- I think she wants you
to sing to her.

00:22:40.083 --> 00:22:42.727
- Sure, yeah.
- Can you sing her a lullaby?

00:22:42.751 --> 00:22:45.935
- You can sing,
and you can cry.

00:22:45.959 --> 00:22:50.310
Yeah.
And you can go to bed.

00:22:50.334 --> 00:22:53.393
[gentle music]

00:22:53.417 --> 00:22:54.810
♪ ♪

00:22:54.834 --> 00:22:57.226
- It makes my heart happy
to know that it--

00:22:57.250 --> 00:23:00.310 position:20%
we're helping
in such a stressful place.

00:23:00.334 --> 00:23:02.643
A lot of these people,
they're agitated.

00:23:02.667 --> 00:23:04.059
They're stressed.
They're not home.

00:23:04.083 --> 00:23:05.435
They don't remember
where they're at

00:23:05.459 --> 00:23:07.393
and why they're here.
- Oh, I see.

00:23:07.417 --> 00:23:09.393 position:80%
- So it comes
with the head, the arms,

00:23:09.417 --> 00:23:10.185
and the legs.

00:23:10.209 --> 00:23:11.727 position:80%
There's thousands of them
to choose from.

00:23:11.751 --> 00:23:13.310
I just paint them
and paint the hair and...

00:23:13.334 --> 00:23:14.476
- Oh, I see.
- Root the hair.

00:23:14.500 --> 00:23:17.518
And since it's
 a three-dimensional sculpt--

00:23:17.542 --> 00:23:19.685 position:20%
- Oh, so somebody
actually wanted...

00:23:19.709 --> 00:23:21.059 position:80%
- This is a real baby
somewhere.

00:23:21.083 --> 00:23:24.268
- A 3D of a real baby.
- Yeah. You gonna kiss her?

00:23:24.292 --> 00:23:25.602 position:20%
You gonna kiss the baby?

00:23:25.626 --> 00:23:27.643 position:80%
- Let's be gentle.
Be gentle.

00:23:27.667 --> 00:23:29.101 position:20%
- There's nothing she can do
to hurt this baby.

00:23:29.125 --> 00:23:32.476
- I know, I know.
- You want to kiss her?

00:23:32.500 --> 00:23:33.768 position:20%
- Even babies love babies.

00:23:33.792 --> 00:23:37.143 position:20%
- Look at her big eyes.
- Yeah. Look at that baby.

00:23:37.167 --> 00:23:41.935
Oh, my goodness.
Oh, my goodness.

00:23:41.959 --> 00:23:44.810
Huh?
- [laughs]

00:23:44.834 --> 00:23:45.393
My gosh.

00:23:45.417 --> 00:23:48.018 position:20%
- This baby weighs
six pounds, three ounces.

00:23:48.042 --> 00:23:48.768 position:80%
- That's it?

00:23:48.792 --> 00:23:50.226
- Is that how much
that baby weighed?

00:23:50.250 --> 00:23:52.310
- No, he was seven something.
- Oh, was he?

00:23:52.334 --> 00:23:53.643 position:80%
- But when you put
the glass in it,

00:23:53.667 --> 00:23:56.602 position:80%
I have these teeny-tiny glass
beads that are in the arms

00:23:56.626 --> 00:23:58.810
and their head
and their tummy and their legs,

00:23:58.834 --> 00:24:01.185 position:80%
and when you put that in,
it--the dead weight

00:24:01.209 --> 00:24:03.226
makes it feel a little bit
like two pounds, actu--

00:24:03.250 --> 00:24:04.894 position:20%
- Okay, yeah, 'cause it feels
a lot heavier than that.

00:24:04.918 --> 00:24:07.476
- About, like, 8 pounds.
- Yeah, even heavier, actually.

00:24:07.500 --> 00:24:10.268
- I want my baby.
Come on, come on.

00:24:10.292 --> 00:24:12.476
- Ohh.
- [laughs]

00:24:12.500 --> 00:24:15.268
- This little piggy
went to market.

00:24:15.292 --> 00:24:17.518
This little piggy
stayed at home.

00:24:17.542 --> 00:24:18.185 position:80%
- Yeah.

00:24:18.209 --> 00:24:20.727
- This little piggy went wee,
wee all the way home.

00:24:20.751 --> 00:24:22.602
- She's singing the little
piggies, that's cute.

00:24:22.626 --> 00:24:25.852
There's that flood of emotions
 that come back to them

00:24:25.876 --> 00:24:27.685
about what it's like
to hold a baby,

00:24:27.709 --> 00:24:29.852
what it's like to look
 into a baby's eyes,

00:24:29.876 --> 00:24:36.852
and, you know, the innocence
 of a newborn brings back that,

00:24:36.876 --> 00:24:39.310
you know, just humanity.

00:24:39.334 --> 00:24:41.393
- Yeah.
- There you go.

00:24:41.417 --> 00:24:44.059
- Yes.
- Isn't that neat?

00:24:44.083 --> 00:24:46.268
- She is, yeah.

00:24:46.292 --> 00:24:48.685
- Isn't that precious?

00:24:48.709 --> 00:24:49.852 position:20%
Oh.
[chuckles]

00:24:49.876 --> 00:24:53.976 position:20%
I could stay all day long.
[laughs]

00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:55.643 position:20%
She's wonderful, honey.

00:24:55.667 --> 00:24:57.894
- Well, I hope you help
take care of her.

00:24:57.918 --> 00:24:58.976
- Okay.
- Okay.

00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:02.435
- Tell me when.
- When he needs you to.

00:25:02.459 --> 00:25:03.059 position:20%
- [laughs]

00:25:03.083 --> 00:25:05.602
- I have a special fondness
for the elderly too.

00:25:05.626 --> 00:25:07.268
None of my family
ever really grew up to be old.

00:25:07.292 --> 00:25:10.768
They all passed away early,
and so for me, this is, like,

00:25:10.792 --> 00:25:13.894
pretending I have grandparents.

00:25:13.918 --> 00:25:17.226 position:20%
- Oh, what a little beauty.

00:25:17.250 --> 00:25:18.602
Oh, you darling.

00:25:18.626 --> 00:25:21.643 position:80%
- Oh, my God,
she's so precious.

00:25:21.667 --> 00:25:25.810
- She is just
a lovely little girl.

00:25:25.834 --> 00:25:28.935
She is a girl, isn't she?
- She's a girl.

00:25:28.959 --> 00:25:32.518
- Yeah, and look at her eyes,

00:25:32.542 --> 00:25:36.059
big and round and alert.

00:25:36.083 --> 00:25:39.393 position:20%
You're a little angel.

00:25:39.417 --> 00:25:41.685
Yes, when were you born?

00:25:41.709 --> 00:25:43.268
- Just a few days ago.

00:25:43.292 --> 00:25:46.560
- Oh, and already acting
like this.

00:25:46.584 --> 00:25:50.018
- Yup, she's awake.
She'll take a nap soon enough.

00:25:50.042 --> 00:25:52.518
- Yes, but she's not crying
the whole time.

00:25:52.542 --> 00:25:55.226 position:80%
- No, she doesn't cry much.
She's a good baby.

00:25:55.250 --> 00:25:57.185
- Yeah, and that's something

00:25:57.209 --> 00:26:00.768
to be very thankful for,
is a good baby.

00:26:00.792 --> 00:26:01.435
- Yes.

00:26:01.459 --> 00:26:03.768 position:20%
- 'Cause they can make
a whole lot of trouble.

00:26:03.792 --> 00:26:06.268
- Yeah, they kind of
keep you up at night.

00:26:06.292 --> 00:26:08.393
- Yes, they do.
- [indistinct]

00:26:08.417 --> 00:26:10.602
[inaudible].
- Sweetheart.

00:26:10.626 --> 00:26:13.518
Have you had your lunch yet?

00:26:13.542 --> 00:26:14.810
- [indistinct]

00:26:14.834 --> 00:26:19.476
- Have you had your lunch?
What is your lunch?

00:26:19.500 --> 00:26:23.101
Good milk.
Yummy.

00:26:23.125 --> 00:26:25.602
Yummy.

00:26:25.626 --> 00:26:28.083
Yes.

00:26:39.500 --> 00:26:43.226
- My father is the sort
 of individual that is, like,

00:26:43.250 --> 00:26:47.226
very traditionalist,
 conformist,

00:26:47.250 --> 00:26:48.560
I guess you could say.

00:26:48.584 --> 00:26:50.976
[chuckles]
 When he saw that I started,

00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:53.894
A, getting dolls,
 and B, referring to them as,

00:26:53.918 --> 00:26:55.560
like, you know,
 my wife, my mistress,

00:26:55.584 --> 00:26:57.059
that sort of thing,
when he realized

00:26:57.083 --> 00:26:59.976
that he was never gonna have
 a grandkid because his son is,

00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:03.268
like, screwing around
 with these sex dolls,

00:27:03.292 --> 00:27:05.310
then it just, you know--

00:27:05.334 --> 00:27:06.435
So I bring this torso in,

00:27:06.459 --> 00:27:08.560
and my father is just like,
"Oh, what is that?"

00:27:08.584 --> 00:27:10.268
I'm like,
"Well, that's a mannequin."

00:27:10.292 --> 00:27:11.935
"Are you gonna have that
in your room?"

00:27:11.959 --> 00:27:14.602
I'm like, "Well, yeah.
It's my mannequin."

00:27:14.626 --> 00:27:16.351
He was not pleased,
to say the least.

00:27:16.375 --> 00:27:19.310
[chuckling]
He still thinks it's a phase.

00:27:19.334 --> 00:27:20.101
I'm 43.

00:27:20.125 --> 00:27:23.101
We still talk,
 but the thing is,

00:27:23.125 --> 00:27:24.602
he categorically refuses

00:27:24.626 --> 00:27:26.602
to talk about synthetics
 or dolls.

00:27:26.626 --> 00:27:28.976
I'm not harming anyone,
you know?

00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:31.268
I'm not selling drugs
or doing drugs

00:27:31.292 --> 00:27:33.852
or shooting anyone
or doing general harm

00:27:33.876 --> 00:27:34.810
to society in general.

00:27:34.834 --> 00:27:36.560
I'm doing something
that is extraordinarily

00:27:36.584 --> 00:27:39.101
contentment-bringing
and actually trying to, like,

00:27:39.125 --> 00:27:42.018
in our own way, improve
the human condition, you know,

00:27:42.042 --> 00:27:44.518
by letting other people know
that they can have a doll

00:27:44.542 --> 00:27:46.059
for a partner as well.

00:27:46.083 --> 00:27:53.101
♪ ♪

00:27:53.125 --> 00:27:55.751
[birds chirping]

00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:05.852 position:20%
- Oh, you are so beautiful.

00:28:05.876 --> 00:28:07.143
[phone rings]

00:28:07.167 --> 00:28:10.059
Aha, that is me brother.

00:28:10.083 --> 00:28:13.101
[ringing continues]

00:28:13.125 --> 00:28:14.518
That's my niece
when she was little,

00:28:14.542 --> 00:28:15.935
when she was,
like, seven, I think.

00:28:15.959 --> 00:28:18.602
I talk to my niece on the phone
from time to time.

00:28:18.626 --> 00:28:19.894
She is just brilliant.

00:28:19.918 --> 00:28:24.059
She's wonderful
medicine for the soul.

00:28:24.083 --> 00:28:25.226
How you doing?

00:28:25.250 --> 00:28:27.143
- I'm okay.
 How 'bout yourself?

00:28:27.167 --> 00:28:27.976
- That's good.

00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:30.226
Are you guys, like,
going out for dinner or--

00:28:30.250 --> 00:28:31.351
- No.
 - Oh, okay.

00:28:31.375 --> 00:28:32.976
- Well, we're not
 going out somewhere,

00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:35.643
but trying to put some stuff
 together here for us.

00:28:35.667 --> 00:28:37.685
- Okay. So maybe--

00:28:37.709 --> 00:28:39.518
- May be better
 if I met her at, uh--

00:28:39.542 --> 00:28:41.810
let me think about that
 for a minute,

00:28:41.834 --> 00:28:45.268
just 'cause I've got some
stuff in the oven here.

00:28:45.292 --> 00:28:46.852
- Mm-hmm.

00:28:46.876 --> 00:28:48.059
- [indistinct]

00:28:48.083 --> 00:28:49.560
- He's got Mother's Day
 stuff going,

00:28:49.584 --> 00:28:53.101
so we'll meet at Culver's,
 kind of in the middle.

00:28:53.125 --> 00:28:55.185
It's--
 if we go across on Touhy,

00:28:55.209 --> 00:28:57.101
it's about halfway
 to his place,

00:28:57.125 --> 00:28:59.310
and so he's gonna wait
about 20 minutes

00:28:59.334 --> 00:29:00.435
for us to get a head start

00:29:00.459 --> 00:29:02.894
because I gotta pop
 that stuff into gift bags.

00:29:02.918 --> 00:29:04.351
It's kind of a nice place
to meet.

00:29:04.375 --> 00:29:06.268
Yeah, and we can just
leave Jackie in the car

00:29:06.292 --> 00:29:08.976
'cause she's comfortable
 with that.

00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:10.727
Okay.

00:29:10.751 --> 00:29:13.810
[gentle music]

00:29:13.834 --> 00:29:20.310
♪ ♪

00:29:20.334 --> 00:29:21.935
All right.

00:29:21.959 --> 00:29:24.310
And there's
the other birthday card.

00:29:24.334 --> 00:29:27.727
"Along with these wishes,
I'd just like to mention

00:29:27.751 --> 00:29:31.435
missing your birthday
was not my intention."

00:29:31.459 --> 00:29:39.125
♪ ♪

00:29:40.918 --> 00:29:42.810
- [indistinct]
 - No, I'm buying.

00:29:42.834 --> 00:29:43.643
- Thank you.

00:29:43.667 --> 00:29:45.185
- Thank you
 for coming out tonight

00:29:45.209 --> 00:29:48.476
after your Mother's Day
 and everything and--

00:29:48.500 --> 00:29:50.768
♪ ♪

00:29:50.792 --> 00:29:52.894
Well, Thanksgiving
with the family

00:29:52.918 --> 00:29:55.351
was largely brought about
 by my niece.

00:29:55.375 --> 00:29:57.101
She wanted for Jackie to come,

00:29:57.125 --> 00:30:00.935
and so, you know,
 she made us the invitation

00:30:00.959 --> 00:30:02.976
and pretty much
 put her foot down,

00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:06.310
and 'cause she's very,
 you know, tolerant

00:30:06.334 --> 00:30:07.143
and, you know--

00:30:07.167 --> 00:30:09.768
and not putting up
with stuff from people,

00:30:09.792 --> 00:30:12.894
but it was--
 well, it was uncomfortable.

00:30:12.918 --> 00:30:15.310
Okay, that was--
 that was my brother

00:30:15.334 --> 00:30:17.518
and my sister-in-law and--

00:30:17.542 --> 00:30:19.768
and some out-of-town guests

00:30:19.792 --> 00:30:23.143
and, uh, and my niece
and her husband

00:30:23.167 --> 00:30:25.268
and her mother-in-law
 and her sister-in-law.

00:30:25.292 --> 00:30:29.894
My sister-in-law, she tried
 as hard as she could to be,

00:30:29.918 --> 00:30:31.894
you know, understanding,
 but she--

00:30:31.918 --> 00:30:34.185
she was really uncomfortable,
I think,

00:30:34.209 --> 00:30:37.976
and she never--she didn't say
 so much as hello to Jackie.

00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:39.894
And Jackie brought her
 a live orchid plant

00:30:39.918 --> 00:30:42.976
as, you know, kind of
 a, you know, welcome gift

00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:44.143
or whatever or, you know,

00:30:44.167 --> 00:30:48.976
and she never said thank you
 even to me for the orchid.

00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:50.727
And, you know, she did say--

00:30:50.751 --> 00:30:52.727
when we did our thing around
 the table at Thanksgiving,

00:30:52.751 --> 00:30:55.560
she was thankful that I had
 somebody to be happy with,

00:30:55.584 --> 00:30:57.935
and it was as big a stretch
 as she could make.

00:30:57.959 --> 00:31:02.560
And pretty much nobody else
 said anything to her,

00:31:02.584 --> 00:31:03.602
other than my niece

00:31:03.626 --> 00:31:06.143
and my niece's mother-in-law
 and sister-in-law.

00:31:06.167 --> 00:31:09.894
Her husband didn't say a word,
 never looked at her,

00:31:09.918 --> 00:31:14.518
was clearly--he handled it
 okay, but I mean, he--

00:31:14.542 --> 00:31:17.810
it was not gonna be
 anything there, you know?

00:31:17.834 --> 00:31:19.393
And other members
of the family--

00:31:19.417 --> 00:31:21.059
it was a pretty big group
 altogether.

00:31:21.083 --> 00:31:24.351
Nobody was having anything
 to do with it.

00:31:24.375 --> 00:31:25.185
They're nervous.

00:31:25.209 --> 00:31:27.393
Everybody's nervous
to have her over at all.

00:31:27.417 --> 00:31:29.852
They're nervous about
 their neighbors seeing her.

00:31:29.876 --> 00:31:31.393
They're nervous about,
 you know,

00:31:31.417 --> 00:31:34.852
people in the family that have
 sensitive work situations,

00:31:34.876 --> 00:31:36.560
and I tried to--
 I was just myself

00:31:36.584 --> 00:31:40.351
and let Jackie be herself,
 and we got through it.

00:31:40.375 --> 00:31:43.143
We just didn't--
 we didn't allow ourselves

00:31:43.167 --> 00:31:44.768
to be affected by it

00:31:44.792 --> 00:31:46.518
so that we wouldn't
then contribute

00:31:46.542 --> 00:31:49.518
to anybody's discomfort
 by doing anything,

00:31:49.542 --> 00:31:53.727
you know, resentful or angry
 or frustrated or frightened

00:31:53.751 --> 00:31:59.226
or, you know, and I think
 we did a really good job.

00:31:59.250 --> 00:32:00.685
I think my niece
 and my brother

00:32:00.709 --> 00:32:03.143
were kind of disappointed
 that it--

00:32:03.167 --> 00:32:05.518
you know, they tried
 to make something good happen,

00:32:05.542 --> 00:32:07.310
and it just didn't
really work out.

00:32:07.334 --> 00:32:09.018
It was--
 and it was asking too much,

00:32:09.042 --> 00:32:10.810
not because
we were asking too much

00:32:10.834 --> 00:32:12.018
or asking for anything wrong,

00:32:12.042 --> 00:32:15.101
but it was just more than
 people were able to handle,

00:32:15.125 --> 00:32:16.727
and it's very disappointing.

00:32:16.751 --> 00:32:18.935
Like, you know,
 "Aw, crap," you know?

00:32:18.959 --> 00:32:22.059
We're certainly not gonna
 do this again, and, you know,

00:32:22.083 --> 00:32:24.727
it's like, having gone into it
 with the hope of,

00:32:24.751 --> 00:32:26.226
"Well, this might really
 work out,"

00:32:26.250 --> 00:32:28.435
and maybe not all the time,
 but if we could do, you know,

00:32:28.459 --> 00:32:31.226
Christmas or Thanksgiving
every once--no.

00:32:31.250 --> 00:32:32.268
That was the first-ever,

00:32:32.292 --> 00:32:36.083
and it's never
 gonna happen again.

00:32:38.083 --> 00:32:40.101
Like, remember when Alex
 was hitting on Leonard

00:32:40.125 --> 00:32:41.685
on "Big Bang Theory,"
 and she says,

00:32:41.709 --> 00:32:44.643
"Well, perhaps, you know,
 women are interested in you

00:32:44.667 --> 00:32:45.643
and you don't know it."

00:32:45.667 --> 00:32:47.560
"Oh, come on, yeah, right,"
you know?

00:32:47.584 --> 00:32:48.852
She said,
"Well, maybe somebody's

00:32:48.876 --> 00:32:52.685
hitting on you right now,"
and he says, "Yeah, right."

00:32:52.709 --> 00:32:55.143
And he--[whooshes]
You know?

00:32:55.167 --> 00:32:57.435
- For the most part, you know,
when she's by herself

00:32:57.459 --> 00:32:59.476
in the trailer,
I just kinda chuckle.

00:32:59.500 --> 00:33:04.059
I--because I could write
my own script for her of, like,

00:33:04.083 --> 00:33:05.602 position:20%
if she really were a woman,

00:33:05.626 --> 00:33:07.518
all the shit she would
give him, you know?

00:33:07.542 --> 00:33:10.602
He can write a nice version,
but, you know, like,

00:33:10.626 --> 00:33:13.310
the scarf and the earrings
and the brooch.

00:33:13.334 --> 00:33:15.560
Like, I tease him.
I think he dresses her,

00:33:15.584 --> 00:33:17.935
you know, kind of
like my grandmother.

00:33:17.959 --> 00:33:20.560
- In fairness, you have--

00:33:20.584 --> 00:33:22.351
you never knew her
when she was brand-new,

00:33:22.375 --> 00:33:26.059
when she didn't have scars
and she could wear anything,

00:33:26.083 --> 00:33:28.143
and she has some
very nice outfits.

00:33:28.167 --> 00:33:29.602
I should get
some of the pictures

00:33:29.626 --> 00:33:30.685 position:20%
of some of her other stuff.

00:33:30.709 --> 00:33:31.894 position:80%
- All right,
but you know what?

00:33:31.918 --> 00:33:33.476
- You know, she's not racy,
but she's not--

00:33:33.500 --> 00:33:35.268 position:80%
- Time out now, stop.
Just--

00:33:35.292 --> 00:33:36.268 position:20%
- No, she's not frumpy.

00:33:36.292 --> 00:33:38.268 position:80%
- You can have your opinion,
and I can have mine.

00:33:38.292 --> 00:33:40.476 position:80%
We're totally
different generations.

00:33:40.500 --> 00:33:41.602
Come on, you know what I mean?

00:33:41.626 --> 00:33:43.185 position:20%
- What is it you would like
to see her wear?

00:33:43.209 --> 00:33:44.226
- It's not that--I don't--

00:33:44.250 --> 00:33:46.393 position:80%
I want her to dress
that's you're happy.

00:33:46.417 --> 00:33:47.810 position:80%
I don't have--I don't care.

00:33:47.834 --> 00:33:49.894 position:80%
I don't have any--
there's no judgment.

00:33:49.918 --> 00:33:53.018 position:80%
There's just--but there isn't--
the ornamentation,

00:33:53.042 --> 00:33:55.976 position:80%
the ornamentation,
even the--even the--even--

00:33:56.000 --> 00:34:00.018 position:80%
it's like--it's sweet.
It's just sweet.

00:34:00.042 --> 00:34:01.643
- Well, I mean--
- She's sweet.

00:34:01.667 --> 00:34:04.310 position:20%
- Everybody has their
accoutrements, I mean--

00:34:04.334 --> 00:34:05.143 position:80%
- Yes, they do.

00:34:05.167 --> 00:34:07.185 position:20%
- I mean, you've got a cross.
You've got rings.

00:34:07.209 --> 00:34:08.435
- I do. I do.
- You've got--

00:34:08.459 --> 00:34:10.101
- Everyone does, for sure.

00:34:10.125 --> 00:34:12.602
- And I mean--and that's one
of the things that, you know,

00:34:12.626 --> 00:34:15.101 position:20%
people see Jackie
as a "sex object."

00:34:15.125 --> 00:34:16.727 position:20%
She's not a sexy dresser.

00:34:16.751 --> 00:34:17.976
- No, she's--she's very humble.

00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:19.310
- You know,
she'd like to wear--

00:34:19.334 --> 00:34:20.852
when she--
when she gets her new body,

00:34:20.876 --> 00:34:23.768
she'd like to wear her bikini
once to the beach or something,

00:34:23.792 --> 00:34:25.935
or, you know--
but she's not a--

00:34:25.959 --> 00:34:29.351
she's not a--
you know, a sexy dresser.

00:34:29.375 --> 00:34:31.310 position:20%
She's very much, you know,

00:34:31.334 --> 00:34:34.602
your ordinary kind of person
in that sense.

00:34:34.626 --> 00:34:35.894
- You know, you make an effort

00:34:35.918 --> 00:34:38.768 position:80%
to be loving and generous
and try to understand.

00:34:38.792 --> 00:34:40.351 position:80%
It doesn't mean
that there's moments

00:34:40.375 --> 00:34:41.435
that aren't uncomfortable.

00:34:41.459 --> 00:34:42.768 position:80%
You know, yeah,
if you're at the zoo

00:34:42.792 --> 00:34:44.101 position:80%
and there's kids
staring at you,

00:34:44.125 --> 00:34:45.852
like, you kind of feel awkward,

00:34:45.876 --> 00:34:48.435 position:80%
but there's also people
who feel awkward

00:34:48.459 --> 00:34:50.018
every day of their life,
you know?

00:34:50.042 --> 00:34:52.101 position:80%
There's people
who are born in ways

00:34:52.125 --> 00:34:54.476
that make them
gawkable-at-able,

00:34:54.500 --> 00:34:57.018
and, you know,
they don't get to escape that.

00:34:57.042 --> 00:34:58.476
I get to choose in and out,
you know?

00:34:58.500 --> 00:35:02.268
So if I have to choose
to be uncomfortable for a while

00:35:02.292 --> 00:35:04.059
and if, in my discomfort,

00:35:04.083 --> 00:35:06.310 position:80%
John can really feel
like somebody cares,

00:35:06.334 --> 00:35:10.226
then his feeling affirmed
that somebody cares about him

00:35:10.250 --> 00:35:14.810 position:80%
can supersede
my momentary discomfort.

00:35:14.834 --> 00:35:17.602
- Just a beautiful girl.

00:35:17.626 --> 00:35:20.310
- Thank you. [chuckles]
Yeah.

00:35:20.334 --> 00:35:23.143
We never have a problem
in an Asian restaurant.

00:35:23.167 --> 00:35:25.226 position:20%
They think she's beautiful.

00:35:25.250 --> 00:35:27.143
Looking forward
to getting her new body

00:35:27.167 --> 00:35:30.310
because of, you know,
all the wear and tear

00:35:30.334 --> 00:35:31.602
on this one, you know,

00:35:31.626 --> 00:35:32.935
and the finger pokes
and things,

00:35:32.959 --> 00:35:34.643
and she's gonna be--you know,
I wish that we could get

00:35:34.667 --> 00:35:36.143
new flesh bodies
when they wear out,

00:35:36.167 --> 00:35:39.101
but it doesn't work that way,
so we'll--and that's what

00:35:39.125 --> 00:35:40.310
she really wants,
is a flesh body,

00:35:40.334 --> 00:35:43.018
but we don't know
how to get that for her, so--

00:35:43.042 --> 00:35:44.643
but she's gonna get
a new silicone one,

00:35:44.667 --> 00:35:46.101
and it will be
a little lighter,

00:35:46.125 --> 00:35:48.185 position:20%
which will be an advantage.

00:35:48.209 --> 00:35:49.935
[indistinct]

00:35:49.959 --> 00:35:52.143
Because right here, you're
right on the edge

00:35:52.167 --> 00:35:57.101
of this precipice,
this makes it really difficult.

00:35:57.125 --> 00:35:58.560
- Okay.

00:35:58.584 --> 00:36:00.602
- And we're clear.
Thank you.

00:36:00.626 --> 00:36:04.101
- Thank you.
- Okay.

00:36:04.125 --> 00:36:07.185
[gentle music]

00:36:07.209 --> 00:36:10.768
♪ ♪

00:36:10.792 --> 00:36:13.226
[coughs]

00:36:13.250 --> 00:36:20.918 line:20%
♪ ♪

00:36:24.083 --> 00:36:27.351
- There's one more behind her,
 which makes nine,

00:36:27.375 --> 00:36:29.727
and then there's a suitcase
on the floor here

00:36:29.751 --> 00:36:31.643
with a broken one
inside of it,

00:36:31.667 --> 00:36:34.101
which would make 10, 11, 12.

00:36:34.125 --> 00:36:36.101
- And then the three-
- Oh, shit.

00:36:36.125 --> 00:36:37.185
I have 15 dolls.

00:36:37.209 --> 00:36:40.602
As a child, I loved Barbie,
 I collected Barbie.

00:36:40.626 --> 00:36:44.226
As an adult I collected dolls,
 small fashion dolls,

00:36:44.250 --> 00:36:48.185
and to me, the sex dolls
 would just be an extension

00:36:48.209 --> 00:36:49.393
of that kind of collection.

00:36:49.417 --> 00:36:51.935
It just seems like
 such a cool thing to have.

00:36:51.959 --> 00:36:54.894
I initially started
contemplating it

00:36:54.918 --> 00:36:58.560
when I was working as
 a stockbroker on Wall Street,

00:36:58.584 --> 00:37:02.185
which was about
 14, 15 years ago.

00:37:02.209 --> 00:37:04.435 line:20%
At that point in time
I could afford it,

00:37:04.459 --> 00:37:06.518 line:20%
seeing as I was working
on Wall Street,

00:37:06.542 --> 00:37:09.185 line:20%
and I really needed an outlet

00:37:09.209 --> 00:37:12.685 line:20%
because even though
I worked on Wall Street,

00:37:12.709 --> 00:37:15.143
that's not what
 I was meant to do.

00:37:15.167 --> 00:37:17.476
That's Suki, she has
a real personality to me.

00:37:17.500 --> 00:37:22.935 position:80%
That's the wealthy Japanese
businessman's daughter.

00:37:22.959 --> 00:37:25.476
For a doll,
that's old-looking, okay?

00:37:25.500 --> 00:37:26.518
Sorry, but for a sex doll,

00:37:26.542 --> 00:37:29.185 position:80%
that's, like,
ancient-looking.

00:37:29.209 --> 00:37:32.810 position:80%
See? She has bags.
I love that.

00:37:32.834 --> 00:37:34.351
My husband hated the dolls

00:37:34.375 --> 00:37:37.602
until I was given
 my first opportunity

00:37:37.626 --> 00:37:40.643
to do a group show
 in New York City in a gallery.

00:37:40.667 --> 00:37:42.894
It's always been
 very embarrassing to him.

00:37:42.918 --> 00:37:44.602
He actually
 finds them repulsive,

00:37:44.626 --> 00:37:46.727
but I think that's more
 because of the guys

00:37:46.751 --> 00:37:48.310
and the association
 with the dolls

00:37:48.334 --> 00:37:50.268
and less about
 the dolls themselves.

00:37:50.292 --> 00:37:51.727
And I'd been telling him
all along,

00:37:51.751 --> 00:37:54.351
"This is art.
You're dumb."

00:37:54.375 --> 00:37:56.810
This doll is $900.

00:37:56.834 --> 00:37:58.976
When I was a child, I, um--

00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:00.976
I had an affinity for dolls.

00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:02.018
I was an only child.

00:38:02.042 --> 00:38:04.727
My parents were divorced
when I was two.

00:38:04.751 --> 00:38:06.685
My only escape was television

00:38:06.709 --> 00:38:09.018
and then subsequently
 inflecting

00:38:09.042 --> 00:38:12.435
what I would see
 on TV and movies in dolls.

00:38:12.459 --> 00:38:14.643
I wanted to be blonde
 with blue eyes

00:38:14.667 --> 00:38:17.018
and big boobies
and just Barbie.

00:38:17.042 --> 00:38:18.310
Meanwhile, I lived in squalor.

00:38:18.334 --> 00:38:20.476
My mom was an alcoholic
substance abuser.

00:38:20.500 --> 00:38:22.435
My parents were divorced.
She was loose.

00:38:22.459 --> 00:38:24.435
There was men around
all the time.

00:38:24.459 --> 00:38:26.435
I was touched,
and now as an adult,

00:38:26.459 --> 00:38:28.894
I can look back
 and see I was kind of abused

00:38:28.918 --> 00:38:30.602
by my mother emotionally.

00:38:30.626 --> 00:38:31.852
It was my escape, you know?

00:38:31.876 --> 00:38:35.727
And as an adult
I never let go of dolls.

00:38:35.751 --> 00:38:40.226
So interestingly,
I was offered a free male doll

00:38:40.250 --> 00:38:44.143
from a Japanese company
that manufactures in China.

00:38:44.167 --> 00:38:47.101
I mean, that is, to me,
just, like, the--

00:38:47.125 --> 00:38:51.976
simply, like,
the greatest...offering

00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:55.059
because a male doll for free

00:38:55.083 --> 00:38:58.894
would really uptick the photos
when it comes to storyline.

00:38:58.918 --> 00:39:03.185
Yeah, I got the doll,
and I was going to take photos

00:39:03.209 --> 00:39:05.685
as reference photos
for my paintings,

00:39:05.709 --> 00:39:07.226
but something happened.

00:39:07.250 --> 00:39:08.852
I started taking photos
of the doll,

00:39:08.876 --> 00:39:12.476
and suddenly she didn't
 look fake that much.

00:39:12.500 --> 00:39:14.560
She kind of looked
 really real,

00:39:14.584 --> 00:39:18.351
and so I posted the doll
 in a few spots on the Internet

00:39:18.375 --> 00:39:20.143
and didn't tell anyone
 it was fake,

00:39:20.167 --> 00:39:25.268
and I watched the reaction,
 and it was pretty amazing.

00:39:25.292 --> 00:39:28.310
I was attacked
 verbally by feminists,

00:39:28.334 --> 00:39:29.435
and then there were girls

00:39:29.459 --> 00:39:31.643
who thought it was
the coolest thing ever,

00:39:31.667 --> 00:39:33.810
and people thought
 it was creepy.

00:39:33.834 --> 00:39:35.518
Everyone assumed
 I was a man,

00:39:35.542 --> 00:39:37.310
and, like, it was just
 really--I thought,

00:39:37.334 --> 00:39:40.768
"Wow, anything that gets
people this freaked out,

00:39:40.792 --> 00:39:43.143
it's something."

00:39:43.167 --> 00:39:46.268
[gentle music]

00:39:46.292 --> 00:39:53.959
♪ ♪

00:39:56.876 --> 00:39:59.518
Growing up with dolls
 as a crutch

00:39:59.542 --> 00:40:02.268
to escape
my horrible surrounding,

00:40:02.292 --> 00:40:06.810
10 years old, 11, I still
 used Barbies as an escape.

00:40:06.834 --> 00:40:09.727
So there was just something
 to the dolls for me,

00:40:09.751 --> 00:40:11.268
and I think
 that's why I was able

00:40:11.292 --> 00:40:13.602
to breathe life into them,
because for me,

00:40:13.626 --> 00:40:16.185
I do breathe life
 into dolls.

00:40:16.209 --> 00:40:17.852
When a doll first arrives,

00:40:17.876 --> 00:40:21.268
I tend to inflect a story
 on the doll

00:40:21.292 --> 00:40:24.101
the moment
I lay eyes on its face.

00:40:24.125 --> 00:40:28.976
You want an afro, a blonde
afro or, just, like, so--

00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:32.976
but I'm--right now
I need to focus on painting.

00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:35.976
I mean, I have to show
the art world

00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:38.518
I'm not just doing
doll photography.

00:40:38.542 --> 00:40:39.935
But anyway, um,

00:40:39.959 --> 00:40:43.351
somewhere in here
is the drug addict face.

00:40:43.375 --> 00:40:46.101
Oh, here.
There's no eyes in it,

00:40:46.125 --> 00:40:48.059
and I've take--
I've since wiped away

00:40:48.083 --> 00:40:49.351 position:20%
a lot of her acne scarring,

00:40:49.375 --> 00:40:53.685
but I made acne scars,
so that's just makeup.

00:40:53.709 --> 00:40:54.768
Makeup.

00:40:54.792 --> 00:40:57.226
Oh, it stained now.
Oh, there we go.

00:40:57.250 --> 00:40:59.976
It just takes
a certain type of person

00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:01.894
to be okay with dolls.

00:41:01.918 --> 00:41:05.101
Most people in a room
chock-full of doll eyes

00:41:05.125 --> 00:41:06.268
get freaked out,

00:41:06.292 --> 00:41:10.852
and it's simply because
 they can't see the innocence

00:41:10.876 --> 00:41:12.143
or the cuteness beyond

00:41:12.167 --> 00:41:14.643
or, like, inflect
a personality on it,

00:41:14.667 --> 00:41:15.810
and that's just a--

00:41:15.834 --> 00:41:18.018
that's the one thing
all doll people,

00:41:18.042 --> 00:41:19.143
I think, have in common.

00:41:19.167 --> 00:41:20.560 position:20%
This is one of my favorites

00:41:20.584 --> 00:41:22.727
'cause it turns
the tables on men.

00:41:22.751 --> 00:41:25.935 position:20%
It's from a series called
"There Is No Safety Word,"

00:41:25.959 --> 00:41:28.101
but he's not happy
about this predicament,

00:41:28.125 --> 00:41:29.810
and soon after this
she writes "whore"

00:41:29.834 --> 00:41:31.518
on his chest,
and she rapes him.

00:41:31.542 --> 00:41:34.268
I just took pictures
of him being raped.

00:41:34.292 --> 00:41:35.393
Yeah, I'm a huge feminist,

00:41:35.417 --> 00:41:37.435
and I believe
 even the sexy work

00:41:37.459 --> 00:41:38.685
that I make with the dolls,

00:41:38.709 --> 00:41:40.852
I believe that
I'm empowering the dolls

00:41:40.876 --> 00:41:42.894
because,
I'll be honest with you,

00:41:42.918 --> 00:41:45.351
even though the men
who live with the dolls

00:41:45.375 --> 00:41:47.560
and make love to the dolls
 and marry the dolls,

00:41:47.584 --> 00:41:50.143
they still won't photograph
 the dolls

00:41:50.167 --> 00:41:51.393
in the same way I do,

00:41:51.417 --> 00:41:54.393
and I feel I've always
 given them strength.

00:41:54.417 --> 00:41:56.226
Even in their
 sexiest positions,

00:41:56.250 --> 00:41:58.643
the dolls have strength
 when I shoot them.

00:41:58.667 --> 00:42:00.976
I actually have been
 shooting human beings

00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:04.727
and dolls together
 since the very beginning.

00:42:04.751 --> 00:42:06.101
It looked more real,

00:42:06.125 --> 00:42:08.185
and it was easier
 to put a human being in there,

00:42:08.209 --> 00:42:10.435
and some of
 the earlier work that I have

00:42:10.459 --> 00:42:12.393
is very "Playboy" centric.

00:42:12.417 --> 00:42:16.643
As an adult, I use my dolls
 as a crutch for relationships

00:42:16.667 --> 00:42:19.018
with humans, basically,
 but more obviously,

00:42:19.042 --> 00:42:25.042
it's as a crutch for my lack
 of relationships with women.

00:42:26.250 --> 00:42:29.768
Come on, baby.
Come with mama.

00:42:29.792 --> 00:42:31.268
Watch out.
[indistinct]

00:42:31.292 --> 00:42:33.602
I use the dolls
 just as a replacement

00:42:33.626 --> 00:42:37.602
for friendships
 that I wish I had.

00:42:37.626 --> 00:42:40.685
[light music]

00:42:40.709 --> 00:42:42.518
♪ ♪

00:42:42.542 --> 00:42:44.602 line:20%
- It's been
 an interesting road

00:42:44.626 --> 00:42:47.435 line:20%
on how dolls
 came into my life.

00:42:47.459 --> 00:42:50.310 line:20%
I've been married
 for 29 years.

00:42:50.334 --> 00:42:52.560
- He's--he's
 the best husband ever.

00:42:52.584 --> 00:42:56.768
He's very loving,
 just can't do enough for me.

00:42:56.792 --> 00:43:00.310
We complement
 each other very well.

00:43:00.334 --> 00:43:08.000
♪ ♪

00:43:32.334 --> 00:43:34.560
- So this is Marina.

00:43:34.584 --> 00:43:36.643
And, uh, that's Tasha.

00:43:36.667 --> 00:43:39.268
You know, we have a full array
of scarves and bras

00:43:39.292 --> 00:43:44.310
and panties
and slippers and...

00:43:44.334 --> 00:43:50.018
dresses and jeans
and tops, purses.

00:43:50.042 --> 00:43:51.894
We love shopping, always have.

00:43:51.918 --> 00:43:55.268
They love shopping.
I love shopping for my wife.

00:43:55.292 --> 00:43:57.810
This is a futon,
so this opens up,

00:43:57.834 --> 00:44:00.393
and, you know, we lay down,
and we watch TV.

00:44:00.417 --> 00:44:02.810
Very proud of
her Jersey Girl shirt.

00:44:02.834 --> 00:44:03.602
She's got two.

00:44:03.626 --> 00:44:05.602
She has a tank top that says
Jersey Girl too,

00:44:05.626 --> 00:44:09.185
but that's her thing,
she's the Jersey Girl.

00:44:09.209 --> 00:44:11.101
I asked them to do subtle
tan lines,

00:44:11.125 --> 00:44:13.518
and they said,
"Yeah, we could try."

00:44:13.542 --> 00:44:15.351
I think they did a great job.

00:44:15.375 --> 00:44:16.602
Deep talk, yeah.

00:44:16.626 --> 00:44:18.768
Yeah, we talk more.
We--right?

00:44:18.792 --> 00:44:20.727
We talk more.
[kisses]

00:44:20.751 --> 00:44:24.810
We talk more.
We cuddle differently.

00:44:24.834 --> 00:44:26.226
Um...

00:44:26.250 --> 00:44:29.393
Though every once in a while
she wants my head on her lap.

00:44:29.417 --> 00:44:30.894
You know, and then
she'll put her head--

00:44:30.918 --> 00:44:34.143
you know, put her hand here,
and then my legs will go up

00:44:34.167 --> 00:44:37.935
and over hers
when we're on the couch.

00:44:37.959 --> 00:44:39.976
I was talking to my wife
 about telling.

00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:41.560
She's not really crazy
 about that.

00:44:41.584 --> 00:44:43.435
She doesn't really want
anybody to know.

00:44:43.459 --> 00:44:45.976
One of the reasons that
 she's having this whole--

00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:48.226
this is one of the struggles
 that she has,

00:44:48.250 --> 00:44:50.310
is to a certain extent
 she feels it's ref--

00:44:50.334 --> 00:44:52.560
although she's okay
with it with me,

00:44:52.584 --> 00:44:55.185
it's a reflection on her
to other people.

00:44:55.209 --> 00:44:56.935
It's that there's something
wrong with her,

00:44:56.959 --> 00:44:58.435
is why I have to go
 to this and,

00:44:58.459 --> 00:45:00.852
"There's part of me
 that's not a good enough wife,

00:45:00.876 --> 00:45:03.310
so that's why my husband
has to do this."

00:45:03.334 --> 00:45:06.268
- I have a very low
libido now.

00:45:06.292 --> 00:45:07.685
It's very upsetting to me

00:45:07.709 --> 00:45:10.226
because I know
he still has needs.

00:45:10.250 --> 00:45:13.727
- We did try some workarounds,
but it just became to a point

00:45:13.751 --> 00:45:18.018
where the medical conditions
interfered with her ability

00:45:18.042 --> 00:45:21.310
and her desire so much
that it became so frustrating

00:45:21.334 --> 00:45:23.852 position:20%
for her that we just said,
you know,

00:45:23.876 --> 00:45:26.727
"Let's find a level
of intimacy that works for us

00:45:26.751 --> 00:45:29.310
that doesn't frustrate you."

00:45:29.334 --> 00:45:30.685
And then she felt bad for me,

00:45:30.709 --> 00:45:32.268 position:20%
and she would say,
"Well, now you're stuck,"

00:45:32.292 --> 00:45:34.602
and I was like, "Well, you
know, but it's not your fault.

00:45:34.626 --> 00:45:37.476 position:20%
It's not like you're going,
"Nah," changing your mind.

00:45:37.500 --> 00:45:41.393
It's--this is something
that's happening to me

00:45:41.417 --> 00:45:43.976 position:20%
and so you--
we're in this together.

00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:46.935
I saw her in her box,

00:45:46.959 --> 00:45:50.059
and she had a longer dark wig,

00:45:50.083 --> 00:45:53.976
and her hands
 were down like this,

00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:58.976
and I just saw these eyes

00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:01.476
looking out at me.

00:46:01.500 --> 00:46:03.976
She was naked,

00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:07.268
and she just wanted a home.

00:46:07.292 --> 00:46:10.185
I brought Tasha home and
told her about it right away.

00:46:10.209 --> 00:46:12.476 position:20%
I was very excited,
and she's like, "Okay."

00:46:12.500 --> 00:46:14.059
She's goes,
 "You still have the--"

00:46:14.083 --> 00:46:17.018
And she's like.
"But, um, ooh, this is,

00:46:17.042 --> 00:46:19.143
um--this is big,
 like the ones on TV."

00:46:19.167 --> 00:46:20.727
I said, "Yes,
 like the ones on TV."

00:46:20.751 --> 00:46:23.351
She goes, "That's great.
 I'm okay with it.

00:46:23.375 --> 00:46:25.852
Could I not meet her
 for a little while?"

00:46:25.876 --> 00:46:29.059
And then we would talk
 about her,

00:46:29.083 --> 00:46:30.226
and she'd say, "It's fine.

00:46:30.250 --> 00:46:33.018
"Do whatever, you know,
take--it's okay.

00:46:33.042 --> 00:46:36.351
Just give me some time
to prep myself."

00:46:36.375 --> 00:46:38.476
After a few weeks
 I asked her, I said,

00:46:38.500 --> 00:46:40.935 position:20%
"I'm having trouble
with this one wig she has,

00:46:40.959 --> 00:46:42.351
"and I really want her
to wear it.

00:46:42.375 --> 00:46:44.643
I can't get the knots out.
I really need your help."

00:46:44.667 --> 00:46:45.935
She said, "Bring a chair in.

00:46:45.959 --> 00:46:48.018
Bring her in.
 We'll fix her up,"

00:46:48.042 --> 00:46:49.351
and it was one night
during the week,

00:46:49.375 --> 00:46:51.226
and I sat her down,
 and she met her, and she said,

00:46:51.250 --> 00:46:54.393
"Oh, well, you know, oh, wow,
 she is really pretty,

00:46:54.417 --> 00:46:56.185
and I can see
 why you like her."

00:46:56.209 --> 00:46:59.602
- I helped with that,
detangled, cut, you know,

00:46:59.626 --> 00:47:02.059
styled,
all that kind of thing.

00:47:02.083 --> 00:47:03.059
He was loving it.

00:47:03.083 --> 00:47:04.894
He loved that
 I was helping him

00:47:04.918 --> 00:47:06.810
with the doll and everything.

00:47:06.834 --> 00:47:07.935
- And we had a great time.

00:47:07.959 --> 00:47:10.226
It was a fun thing
to do together.

00:47:10.250 --> 00:47:12.143
In August, um...

00:47:12.167 --> 00:47:14.976
my wife was very ill,
critically ill.

00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:18.310
We almost lost her.
 She was in very bad shape.

00:47:18.334 --> 00:47:20.101
She was in the hospital
 for almost a month.

00:47:20.125 --> 00:47:24.852
I was in a couple of days
 where I wasn't sure...

00:47:24.876 --> 00:47:28.018
if I was gonna--
 where this was going.

00:47:28.042 --> 00:47:30.435
I was really scared,

00:47:30.459 --> 00:47:33.518
and Marina got me through.

00:47:33.542 --> 00:47:37.059
I just held her at night
 and talked to her,

00:47:37.083 --> 00:47:40.351
and we got through
 that whole thing together.

00:47:40.375 --> 00:47:42.101
That's how she became
 very special.

00:47:42.125 --> 00:47:43.685
That's how
 we became very close

00:47:43.709 --> 00:47:46.768
and how she got
so deep into me.

00:47:46.792 --> 00:47:49.976
- That was a crisis.
That was a real crisis.

00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:53.268
He's pretty strong,
but this one was close.

00:47:53.292 --> 00:47:54.226
This was a close call,

00:47:54.250 --> 00:47:57.059
so I'm glad that
he found comfort in that.

00:47:57.083 --> 00:47:58.727
People are judgmental,

00:47:58.751 --> 00:48:03.393 position:20%
and unless
you're kinda in our shoes,

00:48:03.417 --> 00:48:06.351
I guess it's difficult
to understand,

00:48:06.375 --> 00:48:07.935
but, you know,

00:48:07.959 --> 00:48:10.935
here I have a husband

00:48:10.959 --> 00:48:13.393
who continues to be faithful,

00:48:13.417 --> 00:48:19.393
and I don't have to worry
about him having safe sex

00:48:19.417 --> 00:48:20.518
or, you know, like,

00:48:20.542 --> 00:48:23.602
you know, going out
and finding somebody else

00:48:23.626 --> 00:48:25.310 position:20%
and then coming back to me.

00:48:25.334 --> 00:48:27.226 position:20%
I mean, just we don't--it--

00:48:27.250 --> 00:48:29.894
that's why I say
it's a win-win.

00:48:29.918 --> 00:48:31.976 position:80%
So long as he's happy
and he's safe,

00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:33.351
that's fine with me, really.

00:48:33.375 --> 00:48:35.476
Again, he's not doing
anything wrong.

00:48:35.500 --> 00:48:39.000
I'm fine with it.
I really am.

00:48:41.459 --> 00:48:43.643 line:20%
- My name is Danielle Knafo,

00:48:43.667 --> 00:48:49.059 line:20%
and I am a professor
 of psychology

00:48:49.083 --> 00:48:51.059
at Long Island University.

00:48:51.083 --> 00:48:55.018
I'm also a psychoanalyst
 and a clinical psychologist

00:48:55.042 --> 00:48:59.560
in private practice,
 and I am an author.

00:48:59.584 --> 00:49:03.727
What I write about
 is how much our lives

00:49:03.751 --> 00:49:06.852
are influenced
 by advanced technology

00:49:06.876 --> 00:49:10.018
and where that advanced
technology is taking us

00:49:10.042 --> 00:49:14.768
in both positive directions
and negative directions.

00:49:14.792 --> 00:49:18.976 line:20%
I had a patient who came to me,

00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:20.935 line:20%
and he was living with a doll.

00:49:20.959 --> 00:49:26.518 line:20%
As a woman, I was, at first,
a little offended

00:49:26.542 --> 00:49:31.560 line:20%
and thinking that this was
men just want sex,

00:49:31.584 --> 00:49:34.059 line:20%
and here's a w--
who needs a human woman

00:49:34.083 --> 00:49:37.560 line:20%
if you can just have
this beautiful object?

00:49:37.584 --> 00:49:39.435 line:20%
And they are
beautiful objects,

00:49:39.459 --> 00:49:44.268 line:20%
and just have--have sex
with the--with this object,

00:49:44.292 --> 00:49:46.852 line:20%
and what I found out
is that a lot of men

00:49:46.876 --> 00:49:49.351 line:20%
don't just have sex
with these objects.

00:49:49.375 --> 00:49:53.685 position:20%
They develop
full-fledged relationships

00:49:53.709 --> 00:49:57.059
that they imagine
 are quite mutual.

00:49:57.083 --> 00:49:59.476
- Would we conceptualize that
as psychosis?

00:49:59.500 --> 00:50:01.560
Because reality
was certainly distorted.

00:50:01.584 --> 00:50:02.476
He was out of touch,

00:50:02.500 --> 00:50:05.101
and then it seems like
on some level, you know,

00:50:05.125 --> 00:50:06.476
"I know she's a doll,"

00:50:06.500 --> 00:50:08.059
but then
you're going home to her,

00:50:08.083 --> 00:50:09.435
and, you know,
she's responding to you.

00:50:09.459 --> 00:50:11.018
She's welcoming you,
but it seems like we're

00:50:11.042 --> 00:50:13.935
not quite framing that
as him having been, you know,

00:50:13.959 --> 00:50:16.101
him having had some
sort of psychotic break.

00:50:16.125 --> 00:50:18.018
- I've interviewed
about 15 men

00:50:18.042 --> 00:50:20.143
who live with dolls
in this way,

00:50:20.167 --> 00:50:24.268
and so I, of course
as a psychologist,

00:50:24.292 --> 00:50:27.727
wonder about what
the psychodynamics are

00:50:27.751 --> 00:50:32.101
and the defense mechanisms are
in this kind of relationship.

00:50:32.125 --> 00:50:35.226
What I found
 is that these men,

00:50:35.250 --> 00:50:37.935
overall, are not psychotic.

00:50:37.959 --> 00:50:40.685
They know that
 they're living with dolls.

00:50:40.709 --> 00:50:43.935
They take off their heads.
 They take off their faces.

00:50:43.959 --> 00:50:48.393
They know the mechanics
 of the doll, so on one level,

00:50:48.417 --> 00:50:51.768
they're very aware
that this is an object,

00:50:51.792 --> 00:50:53.268
this is a doll.

00:50:53.292 --> 00:50:54.393
It's not a human being,

00:50:54.417 --> 00:50:59.310
but on another level
 they disavow--

00:50:59.334 --> 00:51:01.727
this is
the defense mechanism--

00:51:01.751 --> 00:51:05.310
they disavow the reality

00:51:05.334 --> 00:51:07.727
that this is a doll.

00:51:07.751 --> 00:51:10.518
Are we losing our ability

00:51:10.542 --> 00:51:13.852
to interact with other humans

00:51:13.876 --> 00:51:16.643
and giving up easily

00:51:16.667 --> 00:51:19.018
on human-to-human interaction

00:51:19.042 --> 00:51:24.268
and just going for what's easy
and what's in our control

00:51:24.292 --> 00:51:27.059
rather than struggling
a little?

00:51:27.083 --> 00:51:28.476
- Being able to, like,
picture myself

00:51:28.500 --> 00:51:31.059 position:20%
in a relationship with
an organic woman is just--

00:51:31.083 --> 00:51:34.685
[sighs] It's--I'd almost be
shooting myself in the foot.

00:51:34.709 --> 00:51:36.602
It'd almost be setting
myself up for failure

00:51:36.626 --> 00:51:38.852
because it's just like,
there's so many expectations

00:51:38.876 --> 00:51:41.435
that she would have to uphold,
and when I say "have to,"

00:51:41.459 --> 00:51:44.560
I mean, that I would think
she would have to uphold.

00:51:44.584 --> 00:51:46.101
At any point
in the relationship

00:51:46.125 --> 00:51:47.852
she could just be like,
"Yeah, you're weird.

00:51:47.876 --> 00:51:50.268
Get away from me," you know?
And it's just--

00:51:50.292 --> 00:51:52.643
I mean, obviously
she has the right to do that,

00:51:52.667 --> 00:51:54.852
but then, you know,
if that is an option,

00:51:54.876 --> 00:51:57.435
then obviously I wouldn't want
to enter the relationship

00:51:57.459 --> 00:51:58.560
because that may be an option.

00:51:58.584 --> 00:52:02.059
It's just like, "Well,
you know, the car may crash,

00:52:02.083 --> 00:52:03.810
so I'm not gonna
get into the car."

00:52:03.834 --> 00:52:07.560
That's about how I think
about it these days.

00:52:07.584 --> 00:52:08.643
♪ ♪

00:52:08.667 --> 00:52:12.185
The social media stuff I do
because it gives Sidore,

00:52:12.209 --> 00:52:15.143
Elena, et cetera, et cetera
 a voice, you know?

00:52:15.167 --> 00:52:16.226
It's one thing to say,

00:52:16.250 --> 00:52:18.018
"Right, well, there's these
 beautiful pictures

00:52:18.042 --> 00:52:19.852
you've got of these gorgeous
 synthetic women,"

00:52:19.876 --> 00:52:22.476 position:20%
but it's another thing entirely
to, like, have them speak,

00:52:22.500 --> 00:52:25.976
you know, and, like, basically
give them a character,

00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:27.059
give them a personality.

00:52:27.083 --> 00:52:28.935
Spoilers, I'm actually
their ghost writer.

00:52:28.959 --> 00:52:31.727
I think women, by and large,
have been more

00:52:31.751 --> 00:52:36.018
socially accepted
 to be creative than men have.

00:52:36.042 --> 00:52:39.602
Men are supposed to be
 the builders,

00:52:39.626 --> 00:52:40.602
you know, soldiers.

00:52:40.626 --> 00:52:43.560
If you're a man and you're
not doing manly things,

00:52:43.584 --> 00:52:45.310
then you're less of a man.

00:52:45.334 --> 00:52:48.059
This is from a photo shoot
that we had done a while ago.

00:52:48.083 --> 00:52:51.185
I'm seeing--and I want
to see if she's tagged in it.

00:52:51.209 --> 00:52:54.059
Yes.
I knew one of those. Hmm.

00:52:54.083 --> 00:52:55.810 position:20%
She's been thinking
about changing that photo.

00:52:55.834 --> 00:52:58.935
Although it's awesome.
It's been up there for a while.

00:52:58.959 --> 00:53:04.518
Here's one, some fan art of--
someone had drawn of her.

00:53:04.542 --> 00:53:08.059
That's the missus.
You can tell by the necklace.

00:53:08.083 --> 00:53:09.852
So she retweeted that.

00:53:09.876 --> 00:53:13.643 position:20%
Oh, she loves cats because
all good people love cats,

00:53:13.667 --> 00:53:17.375
so she'll, like,
post stuff about cats.

00:53:18.334 --> 00:53:21.810
- Some people blog about
their political views.

00:53:21.834 --> 00:53:24.101
We just--
we write about our dolls.

00:53:24.125 --> 00:53:25.059
[laughs] It's just--

00:53:25.083 --> 00:53:26.727
Marina kind of
does the writing.

00:53:26.751 --> 00:53:29.560
She's more eloquent with that.

00:53:29.584 --> 00:53:32.810
So Marina was on there
one time,

00:53:32.834 --> 00:53:33.935
and Sidore made a comment,

00:53:33.959 --> 00:53:36.226
"Oh, you two are so pretty,"
 this and that,

00:53:36.250 --> 00:53:37.435
and said, "Oh, thank you,"

00:53:37.459 --> 00:53:39.768
and they started
 a dialogue together

00:53:39.792 --> 00:53:41.393
and became friendly.

00:53:41.417 --> 00:53:43.018
It was just
 one of those things

00:53:43.042 --> 00:53:44.727
that we thought of,
 you know, in the--

00:53:44.751 --> 00:53:48.226
when the two of them
 developed a relationship.

00:53:48.250 --> 00:53:50.476
- Yeah, well, she'd ask, like,
"What do you think

00:53:50.500 --> 00:53:52.643
you could bring to the table?"
And Muriel responds,

00:53:52.667 --> 00:53:54.226
"Oh, that's easy.
I'm a synthetic woman,

00:53:54.250 --> 00:53:55.768
"and I know that's
the exact sort of thing

00:53:55.792 --> 00:53:57.685
that everyone who lives here
is keen on."

00:53:57.709 --> 00:54:01.101
- There was a podcast
 that Davecat did,

00:54:01.125 --> 00:54:03.602
and I listened to it
down here with them,

00:54:03.626 --> 00:54:05.810
and I had Marina write
to Sidore, and she said,

00:54:05.834 --> 00:54:10.393
"Shi-chan, I love the podcast
that you do with Davecat,

00:54:10.417 --> 00:54:12.852
and we enjoyed it so much."

00:54:12.876 --> 00:54:14.059
They were having the dialogue

00:54:14.083 --> 00:54:18.727
about how their life
 is enriched

00:54:18.751 --> 00:54:22.226
because I shared
that with them.

00:54:22.250 --> 00:54:23.852
It wasn't me thanking Davecat.

00:54:23.876 --> 00:54:26.685
It was Marina thanking Sidore

00:54:26.709 --> 00:54:30.393
for having Davecat be so open

00:54:30.417 --> 00:54:32.727
and...

00:54:32.751 --> 00:54:37.834
having me
bring them to life.

00:54:41.375 --> 00:54:43.768
- Oh, it's a mess.

00:54:43.792 --> 00:54:44.560
I'm nervous.

00:54:44.584 --> 00:54:46.351
I've been suffering
from depression,

00:54:46.375 --> 00:54:47.894
thinking this day
would never come,

00:54:47.918 --> 00:54:52.185 position:20%
and I'm not ready,
and, well, we don't know--

00:54:52.209 --> 00:54:54.143
I mean, there is no getting
ready for this,

00:54:54.167 --> 00:54:56.518
but I could get this place
cleaned up!

00:54:56.542 --> 00:54:59.709
[vacuum whirring]

00:55:01.334 --> 00:55:05.059
Tomorrow is--Jackie's
 new body will be arriving,

00:55:05.083 --> 00:55:07.351
and we'll be--
 we'll be doing the ceremony

00:55:07.375 --> 00:55:10.185
to get her transferred
 into her new body.

00:55:10.209 --> 00:55:14.268
She's excited, nervous,
happy, and--

00:55:14.292 --> 00:55:17.268
and, well,
not relieved yet.

00:55:17.292 --> 00:55:21.500
She will be when it's over.

00:55:22.209 --> 00:55:25.435
You want to go forward,
 and I'll back up?

00:55:25.459 --> 00:55:28.083
[birds chirping]

00:55:36.250 --> 00:55:38.518
Watch the light there.

00:55:38.542 --> 00:55:41.143
[indistinct]

00:55:41.167 --> 00:55:43.834
Right over there.

00:55:45.250 --> 00:55:47.894 position:20%
- First time I've ever
heard of this. [chuckles]

00:55:47.918 --> 00:55:49.935
- Yeah, well, there's
at least a dozen com--

00:55:49.959 --> 00:55:51.727
more than two dozen companies.

00:55:51.751 --> 00:55:53.310
For some people,
they're just toys,

00:55:53.334 --> 00:55:56.435
and for people like me
they're way better than my ex.

00:55:56.459 --> 00:55:58.310
- Yeah.
- She was--

00:55:58.334 --> 00:56:01.959
Well, she was
a little loopy, and--

00:56:04.709 --> 00:56:09.143
- I have never seen nothing
like it before, plastic human.

00:56:09.167 --> 00:56:11.626
[laughs]

00:56:14.667 --> 00:56:17.101
[engines starts]

00:56:17.125 --> 00:56:19.792
- [indistinct]

00:56:21.417 --> 00:56:24.643
I need something to transfer
the flame with too.

00:56:24.667 --> 00:56:28.250
Hmm.
Let me get my lighter.

00:56:29.417 --> 00:56:30.560
Oh.

00:56:30.584 --> 00:56:34.584
A nail when it's supposed
to be a screw.

00:56:57.500 --> 00:56:59.834
Okay.

00:57:06.334 --> 00:57:09.268
So she can be
all smooth

00:57:09.292 --> 00:57:14.209
and clothes will go on
nice and easy.

00:57:16.375 --> 00:57:19.435
[gentle music]

00:57:19.459 --> 00:57:27.125
♪ ♪

00:57:36.209 --> 00:57:38.101
Okay.

00:57:38.125 --> 00:57:42.351
♪ ♪

00:57:42.375 --> 00:57:45.810
Oh.
You only get one tongue?

00:57:45.834 --> 00:57:51.852
♪ ♪

00:57:51.876 --> 00:57:53.435
Okay.

00:57:53.459 --> 00:57:59.226
♪ ♪

00:57:59.250 --> 00:58:01.018 position:20%
Sisters.

00:58:01.042 --> 00:58:08.709
♪ ♪

00:58:22.042 --> 00:58:25.018
Now she can do all the things
 she used to be able to do.

00:58:25.042 --> 00:58:28.059
It's like when somebody
who's sick gets healed.

00:58:28.083 --> 00:58:34.685
♪ ♪

00:58:34.709 --> 00:58:39.334
"It's never too late
to live happily ever after."

00:58:40.834 --> 00:58:43.918 position:20%
See, that's--that's Jackie.

00:58:52.417 --> 00:58:55.393
Hello, Mike.
How you doing?

00:58:55.417 --> 00:58:59.351
- [indistinct]
- Pretty good.

00:58:59.375 --> 00:59:00.518
Pretty good.

00:59:00.542 --> 00:59:06.459
Going to visit Beatrice,
who is an absolute angel.

00:59:07.042 --> 00:59:09.226
Beatrice is
 one of our neighbors,

00:59:09.250 --> 00:59:10.852
and she is an angel.

00:59:10.876 --> 00:59:11.810
She's 73 years old.

00:59:11.834 --> 00:59:14.018
She's been through cancer
and everything else,

00:59:14.042 --> 00:59:16.268
and, you know, she's just
living on social security

00:59:16.292 --> 00:59:18.560
in a little trailer,
it's all she can afford.

00:59:18.584 --> 00:59:20.643
But she runs around
and helps everybody.

00:59:20.667 --> 00:59:21.768
She paints people's sheds.

00:59:21.792 --> 00:59:25.185
She mows lawns for people that
 are not physically up to it.

00:59:25.209 --> 00:59:27.393
She gave me
these lovely plants,

00:59:27.417 --> 00:59:30.393
and she gave Jackie
all this jewelry.

00:59:30.417 --> 00:59:33.852
Oh, look at those.
Aren't they pretty?

00:59:33.876 --> 00:59:37.310
Oh, Ted keeps
this beautiful garden here.

00:59:37.334 --> 00:59:40.810
Hello.
He keeps this garden.

00:59:40.834 --> 00:59:44.000
It is just incredible.

00:59:44.626 --> 00:59:45.727
- Hi.
- Hey.

00:59:45.751 --> 00:59:47.935
Does this, uh--it'll stay.
- It'll stay.

00:59:47.959 --> 00:59:48.810
- It'll stay.

00:59:48.834 --> 00:59:51.018
We run into each other
all the time.

00:59:51.042 --> 00:59:51.685 position:80%
- Yeah.

00:59:51.709 --> 00:59:54.310 position:20%
- I told him, "Bring her over
so we can visit."

00:59:54.334 --> 00:59:57.351
I think she's sweet.
I do.

00:59:57.375 --> 01:00:00.643
Her and him,
they get along so good,

01:00:00.667 --> 01:00:02.351
and I love being their friend.

01:00:02.375 --> 01:00:04.518 position:20%
- Can you put this
little watch you gave her--

01:00:04.542 --> 01:00:06.059 position:20%
can you put that
on her left wrist for me?

01:00:06.083 --> 01:00:08.476
- Oh, sure.
Put it upside-down.

01:00:08.500 --> 01:00:10.643 position:20%
- Well--oh, yeah, but I mean,
that clasp is just--

01:00:10.667 --> 01:00:14.852
- And the clasp sometimes--
- Yeah, that clasp is stiff.

01:00:14.876 --> 01:00:15.643
- Yeah, well.

01:00:15.667 --> 01:00:17.101 position:20%
- Well, I wasn't sure
I was doing it right.

01:00:17.125 --> 01:00:19.101 position:80%
- It's probably
as old as I am.

01:00:19.125 --> 01:00:21.393
How's that?
- Okay.

01:00:21.417 --> 01:00:22.685 position:20%
I don't know--
I brought this,

01:00:22.709 --> 01:00:23.976 position:20%
but I don't know
if we should--

01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:26.894 position:20%
I'm not very good
at getting these things.

01:00:26.918 --> 01:00:28.435
- I like that dress.
- Thank you.

01:00:28.459 --> 01:00:31.059
Yeah, that's her--
that's her good cream dress.

01:00:31.083 --> 01:00:31.727 position:80%
- It's nice.

01:00:31.751 --> 01:00:34.560
- It's one of her best dresses,
and she loves it.

01:00:34.584 --> 01:00:35.935 position:20%
- What are you looking for?

01:00:35.959 --> 01:00:37.602
- I've got some powder
for her lips.

01:00:37.626 --> 01:00:39.810
It's the perfect color,
but it's--

01:00:39.834 --> 01:00:40.643 position:20%
- They look okay.

01:00:40.667 --> 01:00:42.643
- Just it takes the shine
off a little bit,

01:00:42.667 --> 01:00:44.310 position:80%
and it's just--it--
the way it goes over

01:00:44.334 --> 01:00:46.101
the--the color she's got.
- Are you kidding?

01:00:46.125 --> 01:00:47.643 position:20%
Do you know how many women
would, like,

01:00:47.667 --> 01:00:50.059 position:20%
buy gloss for their real lips
so it looks like that?

01:00:50.083 --> 01:00:52.393 position:20%
- Yeah, well, it doesn't have
to be that--that shiny,

01:00:52.417 --> 01:00:54.226 position:20%
and it's translucent,
and it looks--

01:00:54.250 --> 01:00:55.226
- Why? I think it's sexy.

01:00:55.250 --> 01:00:57.351
I like to see women
with shiny skin too.

01:00:57.375 --> 01:01:00.268 position:20%
- Well, it looks so natural
with the powder

01:01:00.292 --> 01:01:02.143 position:20%
over the silicone paint,
so--

01:01:02.167 --> 01:01:04.351 position:20%
'cause the powder's
just a little translucent,

01:01:04.375 --> 01:01:07.101
and it just looks so natural.

01:01:07.125 --> 01:01:09.268
- Oh, she looks so pretty.
- Well, thank you.

01:01:09.292 --> 01:01:11.643
- I love that dress.
- Oh, yeah, that's--

01:01:11.667 --> 01:01:13.143 position:20%
- God, I wish
I was that skinny.

01:01:13.167 --> 01:01:14.685
- I'm trying to remember
where we got that dress.

01:01:14.709 --> 01:01:17.560
I can't even remember now.
- Well, it's really cute.

01:01:17.584 --> 01:01:18.935
- And she's had it
for a long time.

01:01:18.959 --> 01:01:21.602 position:80%
- God, she's got
beautiful skin, don't she?

01:01:21.626 --> 01:01:22.185 position:20%
- Yeah.

01:01:22.209 --> 01:01:25.476 position:80%
- I'd like to have skin like
that, but I'm Technicolor.

01:01:25.500 --> 01:01:26.894 position:80%
[laughs]

01:01:26.918 --> 01:01:28.476 position:20%
- See, you got
a positive way of lo--

01:01:28.500 --> 01:01:30.310 position:20%
you look at everything
so upbeat.

01:01:30.334 --> 01:01:31.351 position:20%
You laugh so beautifully.

01:01:31.375 --> 01:01:35.143 position:80%
- Well, I almost died in 2005
from breast cancer.

01:01:35.167 --> 01:01:35.727 position:20%
- Yeah.

01:01:35.751 --> 01:01:37.018 position:80%
- So I promised
God I'd be happy

01:01:37.042 --> 01:01:39.435
and help anyone I can,
to help them all.

01:01:39.459 --> 01:01:42.894 position:20%
- Well, boy, you've more than
kept that promise.

01:01:42.918 --> 01:01:45.810
- He gave me $1,200

01:01:45.834 --> 01:01:48.518
to buy another stackable
washer and dryer.

01:01:48.542 --> 01:01:49.810 position:20%
- Well, the old one broke,
and you--

01:01:49.834 --> 01:01:51.310
- Just out of the clear
blue sky.

01:01:51.334 --> 01:01:54.560
He said him and his wife
sat down and talked about it,

01:01:54.584 --> 01:01:56.935
and they decided
that they should help me

01:01:56.959 --> 01:01:58.810
because I'm always helping
everyone else.

01:01:58.834 --> 01:02:01.727
- Yeah, I mean--
- Is he not wonderful or what?

01:02:01.751 --> 01:02:03.268
- Well--
- They are wonderful.

01:02:03.292 --> 01:02:05.727 position:20%
- If she didn't tell us
about doing the metal roofs

01:02:05.751 --> 01:02:07.059 position:20%
on the trailers,
I wouldn't have known.

01:02:07.083 --> 01:02:08.727 position:20%
I would have sat there
and not done it

01:02:08.751 --> 01:02:09.643 position:20%
and had water coming in.

01:02:09.667 --> 01:02:12.727
- You're the only one
who thought about me,

01:02:12.751 --> 01:02:15.643 position:80%
and when you came
to my door that day,

01:02:15.667 --> 01:02:17.351
I couldn't believe it.

01:02:17.375 --> 01:02:20.435
[light music]

01:02:20.459 --> 01:02:22.435
♪ ♪

01:02:22.459 --> 01:02:25.727
- I mean, it doesn't get
any prettier than this.

01:02:25.751 --> 01:02:29.727
It's just nice and warm.
The sunshine is mellow.

01:02:29.751 --> 01:02:33.351
It's not harsh
and beating down on you.

01:02:33.375 --> 01:02:34.310
It's like, wow.

01:02:34.334 --> 01:02:36.018
- I thought she was
a real person.

01:02:36.042 --> 01:02:37.435
- Yeah.
- I thought when you were--

01:02:37.459 --> 01:02:39.059
- From a distance
it looks like it, don't it?

01:02:39.083 --> 01:02:43.059 position:20%
- I thought she was, you know,
paralyzed, you know?

01:02:43.083 --> 01:02:44.852
- Right.
- 'Cause she didn't move.

01:02:44.876 --> 01:02:45.894
- Right.
- She was stiff.

01:02:45.918 --> 01:02:47.351 position:20%
So I was like,
"Aww, poor person."

01:02:47.375 --> 01:02:49.226 position:80%
- Believe me, she's the kind
you want around.

01:02:49.250 --> 01:02:50.727
She won't argue with you.
- Yeah.

01:02:50.751 --> 01:02:53.268 position:80%
- She'll agree with you.
She'll pleasure you.

01:02:53.292 --> 01:02:56.393
- She'll pleasure you.
- [laughs]

01:02:56.417 --> 01:02:58.143
They do.
- I'm sure they do.

01:02:58.167 --> 01:02:59.685
I'm sure that they--
- I mean, not me.

01:02:59.709 --> 01:03:01.976
This is his wife.
- Oh, thank you.

01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:03.435 position:20%
- Ahh, got it.

01:03:03.459 --> 01:03:05.435
[dog barking]

01:03:05.459 --> 01:03:09.351
♪ ♪

01:03:09.375 --> 01:03:11.185
[indistinct talking]

01:03:11.209 --> 01:03:13.727 position:20%
- Okay, say good-bye
to you guys.

01:03:13.751 --> 01:03:16.018
Talk to you later, huh?
- Aw, bye, Beatrice.

01:03:16.042 --> 01:03:17.435 position:20%
- Thank you for
bringing her over.

01:03:17.459 --> 01:03:18.518 position:80%
- Oh, well, you're welcome.

01:03:18.542 --> 01:03:20.560 position:80%
And thank you for going
on a walk with us.

01:03:20.584 --> 01:03:21.393 position:80%
It was so nice.

01:03:21.417 --> 01:03:23.018 position:80%
Get to see the flowers
blooming and everything.

01:03:23.042 --> 01:03:25.310 position:20%
She says thank you so much
for a wonderful day.

01:03:25.334 --> 01:03:27.935
- She has had
a full day today.

01:03:27.959 --> 01:03:30.226
- She's having a good time.
- Good.

01:03:30.250 --> 01:03:33.059 position:20%
- She's having
a real good time.

01:03:33.083 --> 01:03:36.935 position:20%
We can go out
and do this more often now.

01:03:36.959 --> 01:03:37.976 position:80%
- That's right.

01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:41.351 position:20%
- You know, you break the ice
and then it's--you know?

01:03:41.375 --> 01:03:43.143 position:20%
[laughs]

01:03:43.167 --> 01:03:47.018
- Japan leads the way
 for technology

01:03:47.042 --> 01:03:49.435
and for comfort with robots.

01:03:49.459 --> 01:03:50.393
People live very,

01:03:50.417 --> 01:03:52.685
very comfortably
with robots and with dolls.

01:03:52.709 --> 01:03:54.894
In Japan there was even--
there's even been

01:03:54.918 --> 01:03:59.101
a doll brothel
so that people choose

01:03:59.125 --> 01:04:05.185
to go to a brothel
that rents out dolls,

01:04:05.209 --> 01:04:06.018
these sex dolls

01:04:06.042 --> 01:04:10.143
rather than to go to
a prostitute or a human, right?

01:04:10.167 --> 01:04:15.226
So they are choosing dolls
over--over people.

01:04:15.250 --> 01:04:18.602
- Finding love in Japan
with sex dolls.

01:04:18.626 --> 01:04:21.810
Masayuki Ozaki turned
 to a life-sized dummy

01:04:21.834 --> 01:04:23.476
when the spark went out
of his marriage,

01:04:23.500 --> 01:04:27.894
one of several Japanese men
 seeking man-made romance.

01:04:27.918 --> 01:04:29.226
- [speaking Japanese]

01:04:29.250 --> 01:04:31.518
- Even when things
 don't go well at work

01:04:31.542 --> 01:04:33.018
or even if
 I have a bad day,

01:04:33.042 --> 01:04:38.643
I feel safe knowing that she's
 always awake, waiting for me.

01:04:38.667 --> 01:04:42.685
- With developers now aiming
 for sex bots that can talk,

01:04:42.709 --> 01:04:44.435
laugh, and even
 simulate an orgasm,

01:04:44.459 --> 01:04:50.250
they are opening a new future
 to true love, silicone-style.

01:04:53.250 --> 01:04:56.018
- The robotics,
the advances in robotics

01:04:56.042 --> 01:04:59.059
and in doll
 and robotic manufacturers

01:04:59.083 --> 01:05:02.852
is changing how people
 are seeing partnership

01:05:02.876 --> 01:05:06.059
and, you know, relationships.

01:05:06.083 --> 01:05:08.727
They're seeing all kinds
of alternatives

01:05:08.751 --> 01:05:11.101
to human relationships.

01:05:11.125 --> 01:05:12.018
[gentle music]

01:05:12.042 --> 01:05:15.976
- But it is not that far off
 that these things

01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:18.268
will have artificial
intelligence,

01:05:18.292 --> 01:05:21.226
and people will stop
loving one another

01:05:21.250 --> 01:05:23.976
and love their dolls or robots.

01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:28.185
Robots will have
artificial intelligence

01:05:28.209 --> 01:05:31.685
and more human-like qualities.

01:05:31.709 --> 01:05:36.810
- I am very well aware of this
 uncanny valley you speak of,

01:05:36.834 --> 01:05:38.518
and I have thought
 a lot about it

01:05:38.542 --> 01:05:41.560
'cause pretty soon
 we will be able to animate

01:05:41.584 --> 01:05:43.643
and make these dolls move
and make them talk

01:05:43.667 --> 01:05:47.894
and make them interact
with people in a whole new way,

01:05:47.918 --> 01:05:51.810
and I always have that in
the back of my head, you know?

01:05:51.834 --> 01:05:55.476
I don't want to make it
push people away.

01:05:55.500 --> 01:06:00.101
It needs to be very creative
in the way that it's presented

01:06:00.125 --> 01:06:04.643
so that it's still very much
obvious that this is a doll.

01:06:04.667 --> 01:06:09.393
This is a toy.
This is a diversion.

01:06:09.417 --> 01:06:10.435
This is entertainment.

01:06:10.459 --> 01:06:13.185 line:20%
You see some of
 the robotics creations

01:06:13.209 --> 01:06:14.768 line:20%
that have been made recently,

01:06:14.792 --> 01:06:17.602 line:20%
some of them are
 a little unsettling

01:06:17.626 --> 01:06:19.602 line:20%
when you see them moving,

01:06:19.626 --> 01:06:21.643
and their eyes
are looking around,

01:06:21.667 --> 01:06:25.852
and so I would limit
how far I would take

01:06:25.876 --> 01:06:31.643
that particular type
of technology into these dolls.

01:06:31.667 --> 01:06:34.810 line:20%
Close your eyes.

01:06:34.834 --> 01:06:37.476 line:20%
Wake up.

01:06:37.500 --> 01:06:39.059
Smile.

01:06:39.083 --> 01:06:40.268
- Her name is Harmony.

01:06:40.292 --> 01:06:41.976
She's a realistic-looking
 robot

01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:44.393
with soft skin
 and soothing voice.

01:06:44.417 --> 01:06:47.768
- The more you interact
 with me, the smarter I become.

01:06:47.792 --> 01:06:50.185
- She's capable
 of having a conversation,

01:06:50.209 --> 01:06:54.059
a romantic moment,
 and, well, you know.

01:06:54.083 --> 01:06:56.393
- I feel very secure
 with you next to me.

01:06:56.417 --> 01:06:58.435
- Ours will be customizable
 in the sense

01:06:58.459 --> 01:07:01.560
that you can choose traits
 in the personality

01:07:01.584 --> 01:07:04.351
that will influence
 your interactions,

01:07:04.375 --> 01:07:06.810
and there are going
 to be moods in place,

01:07:06.834 --> 01:07:10.310
so if you interact
with her more frequently

01:07:10.334 --> 01:07:12.226
and you interact
 in a positive way,

01:07:12.250 --> 01:07:15.602
you're going to get
more positive feedback.

01:07:15.626 --> 01:07:18.310
- I've told my husband
if we are alive,

01:07:18.334 --> 01:07:20.101 position:20%
I am taking a robot lover.

01:07:20.125 --> 01:07:22.602
That's what I've been
waiting for all along.

01:07:22.626 --> 01:07:25.727
I'm one of those people.
I would totally--yeah.

01:07:25.751 --> 01:07:28.310
But I'd still want
my human companion.

01:07:28.334 --> 01:07:31.542
[chimes tinkling]

01:07:32.542 --> 01:07:33.602 position:20%
- Oh, it's been wonderful.

01:07:33.626 --> 01:07:36.518
It's not perfect,
but I've been so much better.

01:07:36.542 --> 01:07:40.894
I got so much healing inside
just 'cause, you know,

01:07:40.918 --> 01:07:42.935
I was feeling so hopeless
and desperate

01:07:42.959 --> 01:07:44.435
about whether
it was gonna work,

01:07:44.459 --> 01:07:48.393
whether things were gonna be
okay, and it was so natural.

01:07:48.417 --> 01:07:50.768
It was like it was meant to be.

01:07:50.792 --> 01:07:53.310 position:20%
She says it worked for her.

01:07:53.334 --> 01:07:54.059
[chuckles]

01:07:54.083 --> 01:07:55.935
She was waiting for it
for a long time.

01:07:55.959 --> 01:07:57.476
She was nervous,
and she was--you know,

01:07:57.500 --> 01:08:00.894
but she was al--
she says always hopeful,

01:08:00.918 --> 01:08:05.935
and, you know, she was,
you know, in--aww.

01:08:05.959 --> 01:08:09.185
She said she had faith
and she believed.

01:08:09.209 --> 01:08:12.268
[gentle music]

01:08:12.292 --> 01:08:14.185
♪ ♪

01:08:14.209 --> 01:08:18.226
You know, I can live
 without somebody to love me,

01:08:18.250 --> 01:08:20.310
but I cannot live
 without somebody to love,

01:08:20.334 --> 01:08:23.435
somebody to spoil and take
care of and be good to,

01:08:23.459 --> 01:08:25.476
so I have Jackie for that.

01:08:25.500 --> 01:08:33.167
♪ ♪

01:10:38.292 --> 01:10:42.167
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