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- [Keith] Dear Ani, if you're
reading this, it's a miracle.

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But those happen all the time.

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(intense music)

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- [Speaker] Any memories,
impressions, feelings,

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thoughts about this
guy, Keith Wasserman.

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- Hi.

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I'm Keith.

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- [Jerry] I never, in all my
years working with artists

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have ever heard a
story like this.

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- [Keith] From theater in a
space to theater in the world.

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This is my-

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- [Director] Recording.

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- [Keith] True story.

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- [Audio] Is it that?

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Is it that?

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Is it that?

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♪ I hope you like it ♪

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(gentle music)

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- When I was a college student,

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my professor put a
book in my hands,

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and the book was called
"Letters to a Young Poet"

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by Rainer Maria Rilke.

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And in the book, he talks about
the need to be in isolation

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and get really still

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so that you can fully know
yourself and become an artist.

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And so I decided to take a
semester off from college,

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and move up to a cabin by
a lake in Northern Maine,

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and try to find my voice
and write my great novel.

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Of course, when I got
up there, totally froze.

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What story do I have to tell?

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And rather than writing,

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every day I would go to
the edge of the lake,

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and I would sit in this
folding lawn chair,

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and I would stare
out over the water,

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and I would say to the universe,

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"I believe in your
magic and your majesty.

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Just show me a sign.

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Send me a story worth telling."

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A few days after that, I
got a package in the mail

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from this person whom

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I really was no more than
an acquaintance with.

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And in the package was a
mix tape of Ani DiFranco,

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a name I had literally
never heard of.

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(light music)

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Suffice it to say, this tape
changed the course of my life.

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(dramatic music)

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- I'm Kurt Loder with MTV News,

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New York singer and
songwriter Ani DiFranco says

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record companies have
been nipping at her heels

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for years now,

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but she's still happy
right where she is

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on Righteous Babe Records,

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the little label she
started on her own

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when she was 18-years-old.

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Unencumbered by
producers and publicists,

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DiFranco gets to be her folk,
punky, bisexual self on record

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and to communicate
with her fans,

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of whom there are a growing
and devoted number, directly.

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- So I immediately
jump in the car,

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throw the tape in
the cassette player,

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and head off into the windy
roads of Northern Maine,

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beautiful fall
foliage all around.

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And I'm listening to the tape.

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(Keith imitating music)

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It was the song
"Asking Too Much."

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♪ I want somebody who
sees the pointlessness ♪

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♪ And still keeps
their purpose in mind ♪

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♪ I want somebody who
has a tortured soul ♪

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♪ Some of the time ♪

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♪ I want somebody who will
either put out for me ♪

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♪ Or put me outta my misery ♪

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♪ Or maybe just put it all
the words and make me go ♪

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♪ You know, I never
heard it put that way ♪

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♪ Make me go, what
did you just say ♪

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- And I heard that song,

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and I thought,

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okay, I can do that.

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And I wrote a 14=page
letter to Ani DiFranco

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about the nature of
cosmic coincidence,

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and suggested that
we become pen pals.

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Two months later, on the
day before I left Maine

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to return to New York City
and go back to my life,

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when I went to return the
PO Box key to the mail,

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to the post office, I got
my last piece of mail,

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a Green Seasons greeting
holiday postcard

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from Ani DiFranco with
five words written on it.

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"Stay the (beeps) away from me."

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(Keith laughing)

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And that's it.

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Let's just like let that linger.

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Oh my God, what did it say?

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What did it say, right?

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- [Director] Okay, well,
why don't you do a version

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where you actually say
what the letter said.

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- Well, the thing is
that what it said was,

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"Thanks for thinking,
the world is a lot."

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Which was a line from the letter
buried deep on page eight.

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So I knew she read it,
and it was game on.

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Two days after Christmas,

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I got on a Greyhound bus
headed for New York City.

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(light music)

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And New York City has
such an energy and a pace,

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and I had been sitting
still for so long

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that it was like energy just
started pouring out of me.

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At that point, I hadn't
slept in about two days.

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While I was living in Maine,

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I was reading a lot of books
about mysticism and shamanism,

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and the whole idea of
having a vision quest

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in which you return
from the wilderness

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with the magical elixir to
share with the community.

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And when that happens, the
community throws you a party

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to celebrate your return,

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to honor the fact that
the boy has become a man,

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that you've tackled your demons,

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and you've chased your bliss,

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and you have emerged successful.

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And as I began to experience

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this manic psychotic
episode as a vision quest,

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I was looking for the party.

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Where was I gonna end up?

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Who was gonna be there?

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Was Ani gonna be there?

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Were my parents invited?

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But I was looking for the
party everywhere I went.

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And everywhere I went,

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I felt like I was
getting closer to it.

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And with all of this
fervor and energy,

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I started walking up the
avenue looking for this party.

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I remember seeing
somebody with a guitar

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walking into an
apartment building.

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Ooh, well, that must
be where the party is.

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The next thing I know,

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the very nice doorman is
tapping me on the shoulder.

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Apparently I'm
scaring the people

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who live in the
apartment building,

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and he's been getting calls

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that there's a young man
crawling on his hands and knees,

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listening under the door of
people's apartments for music,

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all while laughing hysterically

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and singing songs to himself.

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So the police come
and say to me,

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"Do you think you
want to come with us?"

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It's like, "Listen, if you
guys want me to come with you,

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I'll come with you,

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but I don't know if I
should come with you.

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But if you tell me I
should, then I will."

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The officers put me in
the back of their cruiser,

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and I pass by the sign
Bellevue Hospital.

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What do you suppose is
the name of the street

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that I grew up on?

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Bellevue Road.

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So when I saw
Bellevue, I thought,

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oh my gosh, I'm going home.

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I jump out of the car

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and run straight into
the emergency room,

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where I would sign myself
in under a fake name.

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They put me in a room,

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and I remember getting
up onto the bed

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and slipping my hands
into the restraint cuffs.

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It's in that moment that I
realize, this is my story.

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Sort of five years until
my next manic episode,

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when the album To
The Teeth came out.

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It was about 96
hours since I slept,

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and I was listening to the
record for the 50th time,

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but this time there was a line.

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"And the angels were on hand
to stand in for everything."

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And I remembered that
there was this whole riff

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in the letter that I had
sent her five years ago

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about angels.

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And all of a sudden I
started to hear reference

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after reference in her
music to my letter.

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And I thought, holy (beeps).

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Has Ani DiFranco been
trying to write back?

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- He's a musician slash,

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as I soon found out,
Renaissance man.

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And this guy, not
only is he talent,

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but he is out there.

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- You dog.

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- [Jerry] He's so out
there that he's delusional.

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- I believed Ani
was writing to me

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through the lyrics of her songs,

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and I responded in kind
by sending her music

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and elaborate
packages of art mail.

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- [Jerry] It's not
normal to spend,

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you know, weeks and
weeks, hours and hours,

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creating a package of layered,

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interactive mixed media
CD's based on her songs.

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And, you know, I'm sitting
there, I'm thinking,

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I've never experienced
anybody like this.

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This guy's passion went
beyond anybody I've ever met

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in terms of trying to reach
out to this famous musician

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in a way that was completely
from the heart, mind, soul,

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that became like his muse.

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And he had this belief
that she was talking

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and writing lyrics to him
based on his amazing gifts.

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Staying up for days at a time,

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kind of cathartic
creativity that

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his brain would
not let him relax.

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What was the end game of this?

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- In 2010, as I was
drawing out in the hospital

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from my recent manic
psychotic episode,

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whether it's a good idea or not,

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I was listening to a
lot of Ani DiFranco.

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(Keith laughs)

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And one of her lyrics
caught my attention,

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the one that goes, "People
used to make records,

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as in a record of an event,

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the event of people
making music in a room."

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And I thought that would
be a cool thing to do.

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Up to this point,
she's only heard songs

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with my voice and a guitar,

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and she's never really seen me.

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What if I were to
put a band together

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and record a film in one
take to make music your room?

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♪ I wanna get inside your head ♪

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♪ To understand your heart ♪

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♪ I wanna make you
pick your skin ♪

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♪ And tear your flesh apart ♪

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- He has this magnetic pull
through his personality.

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- Keith has this unique ability

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to get you to work on a project

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when you really don't even know
the purpose of the project.

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♪ Down here in the- ♪

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- I think with the
see through film,

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it wasn't until I saw the
box that I really understood

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what the intention was.

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- It was the size
of a cigar box,

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but designed to
look like a novel.

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There was a lock on the box,

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and the key to the lock
was hidden in a sleeve

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that you had to discover
by following a twine

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that was wrapped around.

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When you finally get there
and you open up the box,

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it has a false bottom.

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You actually have to lift
up the bottom of the box

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to discover what's inside.

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And when you do, it's a DVD.

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- I remember looking at that box

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and realizing that
this was all for Ani.

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This was all for
an audience of one.

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I was never gonna get
to see her reaction.

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I was never gonna even know
if she ever watched it.

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And Keith didn't care.

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It didn't matter.

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- In 2012, Ani DiFranco
was coming to Boston

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to play a show at
the Orpheum Theater.

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(bubbly music)

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Because of some
random lyric of hers,

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I thought that the
appropriate time to show up

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would be five o'clock
in the morning.

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Of course, the moment
you approach the tour bus

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at five o'clock in the mornings
idling behind the theater,

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you think to yourself,
what the am I doing here?

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(Keith laughs)
This is ridiculous.

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What am I hoping to accomplish?

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This is a ridiculousness
based on a fiction,

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which is based on a
delusion rooted in fantasy.

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Just leave, go home.

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So at 12:31, I return
to the theater.

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And at this point now
there's ropes set up,

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and I get over to where
everybody else is standing.

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And sure enough, this
woman who I recognize

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as the mistress of
merchandising, Heidi.

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She walks over to me and
she says, "Are you Keith?"

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And I said, "Yeah."

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And she said, "Oh, good, listen,

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Ani really wants to meet you,

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but the thing is,
she's lost her voice."

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And I say, "Oh, well, oh my God.

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I mean, come on, don't
make any trouble over me.

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You know, I don't
wanna cause it."

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"No, no, no, no, no," she says.

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"Just wait here,
just wait here."

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I said, "Okay."

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I mean, now I know.

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Now I know that Ani
wants to meet me,

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and I'm standing
there and I'm waiting.

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And Heidi comes back
over and she says,

00:13:52.633 --> 00:13:54.476
"Okay, come on, come on."

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And I'm walking towards the bus

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and along the side of the bus,

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and the door opens,
and Ani comes out.

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She gives me a little wave.

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And we approach, and we
approach, and we approach.

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And before I know it,
she's just hugging me,

00:14:07.967 --> 00:14:08.843
and I'm just hugging her.

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And it's just so, you
know, (Keith snaps)

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deep, and cool, and yeah.

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And we back away,

00:14:17.967 --> 00:14:20.933
and she pulls that little note.

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And I read the note.

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And the thing is that I
didn't wanna stand there

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like staring at the note.

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I mean, I'm scanning
it, and I'm looking,

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and I'm scanning it, and
I get the gist of it.

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And now thinking
about what to do next.

00:14:33.767 --> 00:14:36.243
I feel like the
obvious thing to do,

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you know, for the
sake of theater

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is to crumble up
the note and eat it.

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And no words were spoken.

00:14:43.633 --> 00:14:45.176
And then the cab pulled up,

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and she got in and drove off.

00:14:50.033 --> 00:14:50.709
(upbeat music)

00:14:50.733 --> 00:14:53.943
I was sort of thinking
about flow state

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as another way to
sort of say mastery.

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Flow state, jazz musicians
are just in the flow state.

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And I was thinking about with
jazz musicians, you know,

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there is the lexicon,
there's the language,

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there's the vocabulary,
there's the structure,

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and you can like
free out within that.

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And then I was thinking
about mania, or my mania,

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where it's almost
like a flow state.

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- [Glen] Yeah.

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- [Keith] And over the 20 years-

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- [Glen] Right.

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- I have built a lexicon,
a vocabulary, a symbology,

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a catalog of imagery.

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It is my connection.

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It is my gateway
drug into one love,

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into universal consciousness,
into the God spark within me,

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into the the sefirot to
the Kabbalah tree of life

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working the energy up.

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There's this thing
called the deep wink.

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And I have always
felt that Ani and I

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connected inside this deep wink,

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and it was all unspoken,

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and it was all referential,
second level subtextual stuff.

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But for me, I have
always wanted to say,

00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:05.376
let's talk about it.

00:16:05.400 --> 00:16:08.176
Let's bring that subtextual,
meta referential stuff

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up to the surface, and chop
it up, and cut it around,

00:16:12.533 --> 00:16:13.409
and make jokes, and laugh,

00:16:13.433 --> 00:16:16.176
and say, "Oh God, you
did that, and I did that.

00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:17.076
Then ha and ha!"

00:16:17.100 --> 00:16:21.343
But that's only
works if it's true,

00:16:21.367 --> 00:16:24.509
and I have no idea
whether it's true.

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One day after having
met her on the street,

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she was back in Boston.

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So it was a year or two later.

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And as I approached
the stage door,

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wouldn't you know, she and
a friend were returning

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to the stage door,
maybe from lunch.

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And there we were coincidentally

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arriving at the stage
door at the same moment.

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And I mean, I tried to hold
in my like (Keith gasps).

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Because as soon as
she saw me see her,

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I was like, uh-oh, I don't
think she wants to see me.

00:17:01.733 --> 00:17:07.676
And then she said
to me, "Why me?

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Why am I the benefactor of
all this love and art making?"

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And I sort of didn't
know what to say

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because don't you know?

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Didn't you, haven't
we, isn't it?

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I thought that.

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It's like that line from the
Matrix where Morpheus says,

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"I had a dream.

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That dream has left me now."
(Keith laughs)

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I've come to understand
that moment differently

00:17:40.367 --> 00:17:41.276
through the years,

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but it was like

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having the wind taken
out of you in a moment.

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And I realized that I wasn't
gonna be invited backstage.

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This wasn't the party.

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This was actually like,

00:17:55.100 --> 00:17:58.909
I don't understand
why you're doing this.

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So I fumbled through
something like,

00:18:00.833 --> 00:18:03.009
"Well, I can't tell
you now, you know,

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in 30 seconds standing
outside the stage door.

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But you know, giving
is for the giver,

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and the receiver is just extra."

00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:14.309
She's like, "Ah,
okay, all right.

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Well, you know, enjoy the show."

00:18:18.233 --> 00:18:19.733
And she was gone.

00:18:20.467 --> 00:18:22.333
And I was crushed

00:18:23.733 --> 00:18:25.200
until I wasn't.

00:18:26.700 --> 00:18:27.576
(gentle music)

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In 2015, I got an email
(email dings) saying,

00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:35.009
"Hey, this is Ani DiFranco.

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Thanks for all the art you've
sent me over the years.

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I'm gonna be in your
neck of the woods.

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Would you like to come
after a show and hang out?"

00:18:46.767 --> 00:18:52.909
Words that I had longed
to hear for 20 years.

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- At the time that he, you know,

00:18:54.467 --> 00:18:56.843
had the whole trip
about Ani DiFranco,

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I was like, this, you know,

00:18:59.100 --> 00:19:01.443
this guy is like
in a dream world.

00:19:01.467 --> 00:19:02.743
Like this is not gonna happen.

00:19:02.767 --> 00:19:03.909
This is not happening.

00:19:03.933 --> 00:19:04.876
This is not true.

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You're imagining things.

00:19:07.500 --> 00:19:11.543
And I mean, I've kinda held
that thought belief up until

00:19:11.567 --> 00:19:14.509
when they started to actually
communicate with one another,

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became friends where I
was like, holy (beeps).

00:19:17.733 --> 00:19:19.643
- As soon as that happened,

00:19:19.667 --> 00:19:25.500
my entire attitude
changed about Keith.

00:19:25.600 --> 00:19:27.509
I admired Keith all of a sudden.

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He kind of, he brought
me to a different level

00:19:31.867 --> 00:19:33.967
of possibilities.

00:19:34.167 --> 00:19:37.809
- Well, it's been over 20 years,

00:19:37.833 --> 00:19:41.309
but in about two weeks,
Ani DiFranco is coming over

00:19:41.333 --> 00:19:44.509
to participate in this
film, to hang out,

00:19:44.533 --> 00:19:48.343
to share her experience
of what this all was.

00:19:48.367 --> 00:19:51.143
We're gonna have the party

00:19:51.167 --> 00:19:53.900
that I've always
been hoping for.

00:19:54.767 --> 00:19:58.067
(guitar playing)

00:19:58.433 --> 00:20:00.509
♪ I'll be your biggest fan ♪

00:20:00.533 --> 00:20:02.276
♪ I'll be your fool ♪

00:20:02.300 --> 00:20:04.443
♪ I'll be your exception ♪

00:20:04.467 --> 00:20:07.976
♪ Do whatever the rules. ♪

00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:09.367
- For many years

00:20:10.233 --> 00:20:16.400
I was intimidated by
the intensity of his,

00:20:18.867 --> 00:20:22.543
you know, love that he
was pouring back at me

00:20:22.567 --> 00:20:23.276
from the ether.

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I don't think I have nearly
the memories that he does.

00:20:27.333 --> 00:20:30.076
- If it's okay with you,
I actually wanted to start

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by asking you a broad question.

00:20:32.600 --> 00:20:33.200
- [Ani] Yeah.

00:20:33.333 --> 00:20:34.467
- What's your relationship
like with fans?

00:20:35.133 --> 00:20:36.400
- Right from the beginning
I had super fans, right?

00:20:38.267 --> 00:20:39.767
You know, I guess when I just
had very few listeners at all.

00:20:43.567 --> 00:20:44.667
In the beginning,
I was like, whoa,

00:20:45.467 --> 00:20:46.300
why is this happening to me?

00:20:47.967 --> 00:20:48.767
Why is this coming at me?

00:20:48.900 --> 00:20:49.933
And then I realized,
oh, (Ani laughs)

00:20:50.733 --> 00:20:51.567
because I'm doing that too,

00:20:53.833 --> 00:20:54.933
coming very intensely
at the world.

00:20:56.467 --> 00:20:57.733
There was a time in the
late 90s and early aughts

00:21:02.633 --> 00:21:03.509
that it was too much.

00:21:03.533 --> 00:21:07.976
It was just like, I was a symbol
that represented something,

00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:10.276
and they were there, you know,

00:21:10.300 --> 00:21:13.643
with no awareness
of my humanity or,

00:21:13.667 --> 00:21:16.543
and no real, you know,
it was like souvenir.

00:21:16.567 --> 00:21:22.943
They wanted a thing, or a thing,
or a thing, or more things.

00:21:22.967 --> 00:21:26.343
I sort of felt just
constantly eviscerated,

00:21:26.367 --> 00:21:29.743
and drained, and disregarded.

00:21:29.767 --> 00:21:33.909
And you know, of course there's
people who do give back,

00:21:33.933 --> 00:21:37.109
not just want, and
want, and want more.

00:21:37.133 --> 00:21:38.143
- Do you have a memory

00:21:38.167 --> 00:21:41.076
of the first time Keith
was on your radar?

00:21:41.100 --> 00:21:42.267
- I believe that his
artwork hit my radar

00:21:46.467 --> 00:21:47.867
at some point early on
'cause it's so exceptional,

00:21:49.567 --> 00:21:50.700
you know, that the
beauty of his offerings.

00:21:54.600 --> 00:21:56.033
Again, though, like how many
hours went into constructing

00:21:59.700 --> 00:22:00.743
this very detailed?

00:22:00.767 --> 00:22:03.409
And the experience,
and you open it,

00:22:03.433 --> 00:22:04.209
and the thing comes out,

00:22:04.233 --> 00:22:06.776
and then that thing like
grows into a thing, and-

00:22:06.800 --> 00:22:09.109
- I happen to have
one right here.

00:22:09.133 --> 00:22:10.343
(Ani laughs)
- Yeah.

00:22:10.367 --> 00:22:11.043
(gentle music)

00:22:11.067 --> 00:22:15.176
You know, I think when
these types of things,

00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:17.409
beautiful works of art,

00:22:17.433 --> 00:22:20.376
it was like, oh, this
is that same person

00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:22.309
as that other thing from.

00:22:22.333 --> 00:22:26.776
And then he, I don't know
if he had just intuited

00:22:26.800 --> 00:22:30.343
that sending to the
office is not the quick.

00:22:30.367 --> 00:22:32.843
So things would come to venues,

00:22:32.867 --> 00:22:34.576
and they would arrive
the day before.

00:22:34.600 --> 00:22:37.309
Like he'd know, and
they would care of.

00:22:37.333 --> 00:22:40.743
And so I'd walk into
a dressing room,

00:22:40.767 --> 00:22:43.176
and there would be a thing.

00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:45.209
It's like, oh, there's
that guy again.

00:22:45.233 --> 00:22:47.643
My friend Heidi, who is
my mistress of merch,

00:22:47.667 --> 00:22:49.133
she became aware of Keith and
who this artist actually is,

00:22:54.200 --> 00:22:55.033
and when they're turning up.

00:22:55.167 --> 00:22:56.467
And swear, I think my first
memory of meeting Keith,

00:22:59.667 --> 00:23:02.376
I was sick as a dog,

00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:04.176
but I think it was
Heidi who said,

00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:06.609
"You know, Keith is
outside the bus."

00:23:06.633 --> 00:23:07.843
And I was like, (beeps)

00:23:07.867 --> 00:23:11.743
I'm gonna go say hi
to this crazy person.

00:23:11.767 --> 00:23:15.143
And, but I couldn't say
hi 'cause I couldn't talk.

00:23:15.167 --> 00:23:17.033
I couldn't say anything.

00:23:17.467 --> 00:23:19.009
I went out and I wrote a note.

00:23:19.033 --> 00:23:21.809
I can't talk and I can't
do the show tonight.

00:23:21.833 --> 00:23:25.009
Thank you, you
know, I don't know,

00:23:25.033 --> 00:23:26.376
for all the gifts.

00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:31.243
And then he took it, and he
crumbled it up, and he ate it.

00:23:31.267 --> 00:23:33.176
(Ani laughs)
The note.

00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:35.609
Ever memorable is he.

00:23:35.633 --> 00:23:42.000
I would say the messages,
I heard them along the way,

00:23:43.233 --> 00:23:49.476
and they told me that he
was really hearing my music.

00:23:49.500 --> 00:23:52.109
He would say little
messages back

00:23:52.133 --> 00:23:55.009
to the little messages
I send out in songs.

00:23:55.033 --> 00:23:55.933
I felt seen, you
know, and heard.

00:23:58.633 --> 00:24:00.476
He's right, you know?

00:24:00.500 --> 00:24:01.343
He's right.

00:24:01.367 --> 00:24:03.476
I was talking to him.

00:24:03.500 --> 00:24:08.309
And it's not true in the
context that he was devising,

00:24:08.333 --> 00:24:10.809
but it's true, very
true in another way,

00:24:10.833 --> 00:24:14.676
like I am very much
talking right to anyone

00:24:14.700 --> 00:24:15.509
who chooses to listen

00:24:15.533 --> 00:24:20.176
or has the ears to
hear what I'm saying.

00:24:20.200 --> 00:24:24.343
And there is a relationship
there that exists in the ether,

00:24:24.367 --> 00:24:25.643
and it is intimate.

00:24:25.667 --> 00:24:28.909
You know, I agree
with all of that.

00:24:28.933 --> 00:24:33.409
On some level, maybe we
are meeting in our dreams.

00:24:33.433 --> 00:24:35.443
Maybe we do know each other.

00:24:35.467 --> 00:24:38.909
Maybe we are having
a conversation.

00:24:38.933 --> 00:24:40.009
On some level, I believe,

00:24:40.033 --> 00:24:42.876
yes, that's what I'm
doing with my art.

00:24:42.900 --> 00:24:45.843
That doesn't mean you should
turn up in my bedroom.

00:24:45.867 --> 00:24:50.109
I had a bipolar, I mean
maybe schizophrenic,

00:24:50.133 --> 00:24:53.743
or whatever person
turn up in my bedroom.

00:24:53.767 --> 00:24:55.043
- A stranger.
- A stranger.

00:24:55.067 --> 00:24:57.009
- Did you ever feel
threatened by Keith?

00:24:57.033 --> 00:25:01.176
- I remember my Heidi had
tipped me that he was coming.

00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:07.276
So I put this poem
Parameters that I wrote

00:25:07.300 --> 00:25:12.300
about that experience of
having a fan wait for me,

00:25:12.900 --> 00:25:14.376
and break into my house,

00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:17.276
and wait for me to
come home alone,

00:25:17.300 --> 00:25:21.509
and be upstairs in my
bedroom in the dark

00:25:21.533 --> 00:25:26.309
between me and the door for
a perilous amount of time.

00:25:26.333 --> 00:25:29.467
A dude, you know, who

00:25:30.500 --> 00:25:35.176
knew very clearly that we had
been speaking through my songs

00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:37.367
and that I had called him.

00:25:38.467 --> 00:25:40.109
I put that poem on the set list,

00:25:40.133 --> 00:25:43.109
and I just remember
delivering the poem to Keith.

00:25:43.133 --> 00:25:48.009
That was actually me speaking
directly to Keith Wasserman

00:25:48.033 --> 00:25:54.343
from stage saying, this is
why I don't write you back.

00:25:54.367 --> 00:26:00.176
I feel the expectation
is building,

00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:03.533
and I need you to understand.

00:26:04.367 --> 00:26:07.367
Little poem called Parameters.

00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:09.109
33 years go by,

00:26:09.133 --> 00:26:10.276
and not once do you come home

00:26:10.300 --> 00:26:12.409
to find a man sitting
in your bedroom,

00:26:12.433 --> 00:26:16.276
that is a man you don't
know who came a long way

00:26:16.300 --> 00:26:19.776
to deliver one very
specific message.

00:26:19.800 --> 00:26:22.643
Lock your back door, you idiot.

00:26:22.667 --> 00:26:25.976
However invincible you
imagine yourself to be-

00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:29.476
I do remember when his
packages started to include

00:26:29.500 --> 00:26:32.709
the word or images of a
wife and then daughter.

00:26:32.733 --> 00:26:34.243
And that, (Ani exhales)

00:26:34.267 --> 00:26:36.076
you know, I just felt, okay.

00:26:36.100 --> 00:26:39.476
I think that was when I
considered opening the door.

00:26:39.500 --> 00:26:40.476
And then I did.

00:26:40.500 --> 00:26:43.376
♪ You gotta meet
my little girl ♪

00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:45.509
♪ She's really just so sweet ♪

00:26:45.533 --> 00:26:50.609
♪ Love the pitter-patter of
her precious little feet ♪

00:26:50.633 --> 00:26:54.976
- Yeah, so finally we met,
and that was fantastic.

00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:57.376
We had a little visit
after a show one night

00:26:57.400 --> 00:27:01.176
when I finally just put
down the drawbridge.

00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:01.843
(Ani laughs)

00:27:01.867 --> 00:27:03.609
And he crossed over
and we hung out.

00:27:03.633 --> 00:27:06.643
And of course he's completely
captivating and charming.

00:27:06.667 --> 00:27:11.343
And he bestowed his
magic upon my kids.

00:27:11.367 --> 00:27:12.576
You know, we went and visited,

00:27:12.600 --> 00:27:14.609
and he had constructed
this treasure hunt

00:27:14.633 --> 00:27:17.343
on the beautiful property
that they were living on.

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And I don't know if
my kids appreciated it

00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:22.909
nearly as much as me,

00:27:22.933 --> 00:27:26.009
but you know, that's
the kind of magic

00:27:26.033 --> 00:27:28.943
that doesn't exist in everyone

00:27:28.967 --> 00:27:31.467
and doesn't come
along every day.

00:27:32.267 --> 00:27:35.309
(light music)

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- When Ani DiFranco
first emailed me,

00:27:38.833 --> 00:27:39.609
she said something like,

00:27:39.633 --> 00:27:41.443
"You've given me so
much over the years.

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Is there anything that I
can give you in return?"

00:27:44.167 --> 00:27:48.043
And I said, "Really, the
only thing I want is time

00:27:48.067 --> 00:27:50.743
to tell you this epic
story that I have,

00:27:50.767 --> 00:27:54.376
which would explain and
maybe help you make sense of

00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:59.576
why I've been sending you
this art for 20 years."

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Of course, it was the
story of my manic episodes,

00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:07.433
but we never really
found that time.

00:28:08.367 --> 00:28:13.709
And several years later, I
had another manic episode,

00:28:13.733 --> 00:28:15.509
and during that episode,

00:28:15.533 --> 00:28:17.709
I thought that Ani was
trying to reach out to me.

00:28:17.733 --> 00:28:19.043
I thought she was
trying to call me.

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And so I decided I'd
call her instead.

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I mean, I have her number.

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We've been on the phone.

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Except it was three
o'clock in the morning.

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And the next day my wife got
a voicemail from Ani DiFranco.

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- Hey Heidi, it's Ani calling.

00:28:38.533 --> 00:28:39.343
Um, hi.

00:28:39.367 --> 00:28:41.809
So last night at like
three in the morning,

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I get a few texts in
series from Keith saying

00:28:47.967 --> 00:28:49.309
something or other
and then call me.

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I'm not sure what's happening,

00:28:51.867 --> 00:28:56.476
but if there's anything I
can do to help, let me know.

00:28:56.500 --> 00:28:57.643
Yeah, no, I just felt empathy

00:28:57.667 --> 00:29:02.076
because this is my friend
now who is in trouble.

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If I didn't have like a lot
of experience with mania,

00:29:06.367 --> 00:29:11.543
maybe I would've gotten
more freaked out.

00:29:11.567 --> 00:29:13.600
But for me it's like, ah,

00:29:15.167 --> 00:29:19.467
he needs to be
tied to the earth.

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Those are my favorite
people often,

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you know, people who
create their own worlds.

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Those are most artists.

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I feel like I can
relate very much.

00:29:30.967 --> 00:29:37.309
I feel way more than I want
to feel most of the time.

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And there's a price.

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You know, it's a great gift.

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You can put beauty and
magic in the world,

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and you can amplify being
alive for people around you.

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And you can set people free,

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and you pay a price, you know?

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So I understand.

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It's like, yes, if anything,
I just felt empathy.

00:30:05.300 --> 00:30:06.143
Empathy, not sympathy.

00:30:06.167 --> 00:30:11.109
I felt empathy for the
price that you have to pay

00:30:11.133 --> 00:30:13.033
when you're that guy.

00:30:19.233 --> 00:30:20.376
(gentle music)

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- I thought I would bring
my stuff and stuffs,

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and we could collage,
and we could paint.

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There was this piece where

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somebody might see something
that I made before I sent it

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and would wanna know, like,
"Oh, have you ever heard back?

00:30:42.767 --> 00:30:43.500
Have you ever da, da?"

00:30:43.633 --> 00:30:44.467
I'm like, "No, it's, you know."

00:30:45.233 --> 00:30:45.933
"Well, how can you?"

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It's like it's really
more about the work.

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And personally,

00:30:51.633 --> 00:30:52.833
I feel like each album
that I made got better.

00:30:55.933 --> 00:30:57.033
Each artwork that
I made got better,

00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:00.876
more interesting, more fun.

00:31:00.900 --> 00:31:07.433
And if I was ever going
to actually excite
you, impress you,

00:31:07.767 --> 00:31:12.076
and you know, tickle your
fancy, pique your interest,

00:31:12.100 --> 00:31:13.709
it was gonna be
through the work.

00:31:13.733 --> 00:31:15.809
That was sort of my feeling.

00:31:15.833 --> 00:31:20.243
And the decade or more
of like, oh, not yet.

00:31:20.267 --> 00:31:21.643
I haven't heard yet.

00:31:21.667 --> 00:31:22.776
I haven't heard back yet.

00:31:22.800 --> 00:31:23.676
- Haven't heard back yet.

00:31:23.700 --> 00:31:25.443
- Was like, okay, I
gotta keep working.

00:31:25.467 --> 00:31:26.743
- [Ani] Not stopping.

00:31:26.767 --> 00:31:28.043
- I gotta keep working.
- Love it.

00:31:28.067 --> 00:31:28.676
I love it.

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That's so freaking cool.
- Gotta keep working.

00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:31.276
Right, it's getting better.

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And you know, like
in my own brain,

00:31:33.367 --> 00:31:34.576
I would hear encouragement.

00:31:34.600 --> 00:31:40.909
I would hear, I dig it, I
wanna, I can't, you know?

00:31:40.933 --> 00:31:41.833
- I know she loved that one.

00:31:42.300 --> 00:31:42.733
- Yeah.

00:31:42.867 --> 00:31:44.167
- God, it's kind of blowing
my mind all over again.

00:31:47.100 --> 00:31:47.567
- Yay.

00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:48.867
- All the lengths you went to.

00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:51.900
- That was the idea.

00:31:52.033 --> 00:31:53.433
You know, I was like, how
do you blow someone's mind?

00:31:54.433 --> 00:31:55.633
I wanna figure out how
to blow someone's mind.

00:31:57.033 --> 00:31:57.733
- No, you did, you did.

00:31:57.867 --> 00:31:59.343
You succeeded.
- Awesome.

00:31:59.367 --> 00:32:02.543
- I met a lot of people
who have big dreams

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but don't know
how to reach them.

00:32:05.233 --> 00:32:09.209
Keith, he knows how
to reach his dreams.

00:32:09.233 --> 00:32:14.143
- His agendas were not
about the art world.

00:32:14.167 --> 00:32:17.009
Yes, he wanted to be
successful as an artist,

00:32:17.033 --> 00:32:19.833
but his agenda was about

00:32:21.033 --> 00:32:27.343
communicating with Ani as
an equal and as a friend.

00:32:27.367 --> 00:32:31.076
And I didn't think it was
possible and many people didn't,

00:32:31.100 --> 00:32:33.809
but Keith made that happen.

00:32:33.833 --> 00:32:39.967
And after that I wanted
to just join Keith.

00:32:40.633 --> 00:32:44.609
- I'm not a jealous person
and I'm not threatened.

00:32:44.633 --> 00:32:45.543
I trust in his love for me.

00:32:45.567 --> 00:32:46.933
And yet I know that he has
a deep, deep love for Ani,

00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:52.567
and so do I.

00:32:52.900 --> 00:32:54.200
I mean, I really respect
the lessons she's given him.

00:32:57.333 --> 00:33:00.500
I think she's made
him a better man.

00:33:00.667 --> 00:33:05.176
And I just want him to live
his life to the fullest,

00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.576
and I wanna be part of
that journey with him.

00:33:07.600 --> 00:33:10.409
- I actually believe in magic.

00:33:10.433 --> 00:33:16.267
It's like whatever he was
imagining was real in 1998,

00:33:18.633 --> 00:33:20.476
has become real in the world.

00:33:20.500 --> 00:33:24.109
And whether it was
actually real then or not,

00:33:24.133 --> 00:33:27.009
he made it real
or it became real.

00:33:27.033 --> 00:33:28.376
And that's the miracle.

00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:29.709
That's the magic.

00:33:29.733 --> 00:33:33.943
And we're right here
in the middle of it.

00:33:33.967 --> 00:33:38.367
♪ The depths of ever rest. ♪

00:33:42.033 --> 00:33:45.167
(gentle music)

00:33:48.533 --> 00:33:52.309
- We are about to
film me watching

00:33:52.333 --> 00:33:53.367
Ani's interview
for the first time.

00:33:54.600 --> 00:33:55.767
I have been prepared for
various balloons to go.

00:34:00.967 --> 00:34:02.409
(Keith exhaling)

00:34:02.433 --> 00:34:04.643
♪ I'm so lucky to be home- ♪

00:34:04.667 --> 00:34:06.033
- [Phone] Yeah.

00:34:07.567 --> 00:34:10.600
That's a funny way to put it.

00:34:12.133 --> 00:34:12.676
Hello?

00:34:12.700 --> 00:34:16.609
- Sorry, the balloon was
still emptying out there.

00:34:16.633 --> 00:34:18.643
(person on phone laughing)

00:34:18.667 --> 00:34:22.809
♪ We've been all
the way around ♪

00:34:22.833 --> 00:34:28.700
♪ And come back to love anew ♪

00:34:31.600 --> 00:34:36.443
♪ And I am so lucky
to be home with you ♪

00:34:36.467 --> 00:34:39.643
- Look guys, if I get a
cease and desist letter,

00:34:39.667 --> 00:34:41.509
I'll totally stop, right?

00:34:41.533 --> 00:34:43.843
- Cease collaging
in my direction.

00:34:43.867 --> 00:34:46.276
- Yeah.
- Or I'll have you arrested.

00:34:46.300 --> 00:34:47.209
- Please join us next week

00:34:47.233 --> 00:34:49.109
for our regularly
scheduled program

00:34:49.133 --> 00:34:52.176
of Keith has a
hypomanic episode.

00:34:52.200 --> 00:34:52.876
(Keith laughs)

00:34:52.900 --> 00:34:55.567
Thank you for coming
and get home safely.