Home Address/Ghar Ka Pata
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GHAR KA PATA is an autobiographical account of my inquiry into my identity as a Kashmiri Pandit Woman (Kashmiri Hindu Minority) in the absence of my own memory. My family left Kashmir in early 1990s as a part of the Kashmiri Pandit exodus due to the armed insurgency. I was 6 years old at that time and therefore grew up remembering nothing of my home. 24 years later, I went to Kashmir for the first time with my family. That event acts as a catalyst for me to rediscover and retrace my roots with the help of my sisters and extended family. We hear oral accounts of a less documented event and time in the history of Kashmir which reveals the deep connections that go beyond religion and politics. At a personal level, it reveals the cruelty of exile and how it continues across generations.
The Hindu | Shilpa Anandraj
Madhulika Jalali’s film is a quest for her Kashmiri roots
Architectural Digest India | Siddhartha Gigoo
"Ghar Ka Pata is a historically significant documentary to have come out of India. An intimate testimony of love, loss, suffering, and reconciliation, it illumines an equally important yet often ignored and forgotten side of the Kashmir conflict."
India Today | Suhani Singh
"There have been many narratives about Kashmir on the big screen, but none feels as personal as Ghar Ka Pata even if it comes from a filmmaker who now lives in exile in her own country."
The Indian Express | Written by Ishita Sengupta
"Ghar Ka Pata, in essence, documents Madhulika’s shifting status from a tourist to an immigrant. But apart from being a heart-rending personal account, it provides human faces to an exodus whose severity keeps coming in the way of recovery."
Mid-Day | Vedika Mane
Interview with Madhulika Jalali, the director of Home Address/Ghar Ka Pata
"The film is a search for memory and an understanding of how uprooted one can feel by not having the choice to go back and make that childhood home, even in their memory."
Citation
Main credits
Jalali, Madhulika (film director)
Singh, Amit (film producer)
Kakkar, Navneet (film producer)
Other credits
Cinematography, Amith Surendran & Prakhar Jain; editing, Khushboo Raj; music, Anurag Shankar.
Distributor subjects
Kashmiri Pandit Experience; Exile & Displacement; Conflict; Identity & Belonging; Representation; Human RightsKeywords
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Sana! Say something.
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Tell me where have you come?
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Where have we come?
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Where? I'm asking you.
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Kashmir!
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Sid!
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Say something.
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Say something about coming to Kashmir.
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Seems to be some problem.
That's why the traffic jam.
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I'm telling you to introduce yourself.
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A bit later...
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Say something at least.
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But I'll say it in Kashmiri
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You have to speak in Kashmiri.
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Brother can I tell you something?
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-Sure.
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When I'm here, I feel my heart
has turned upside down.
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You have experienced one part of it.
We have been drowned by the sea.
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You had a place to restart your life from
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This was the first time I heard
my dad speak to a stranger
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so freely about his feelings
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How did they open up so easily
to each other?
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Sana! Baji!
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And that's me!
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I look so over excited.
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Come on say something.
Say something on camera
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in Kashmiri!
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She's guessing in the evenings,
the villagers must burn 'zyun'.
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What is 'zyun'?
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'Zyun' is wood.
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Why don't you learn Kashmiri?
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I know Kashmiri!
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Actually this wasn't an ordinary family holiday.
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24 years...
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that's how long it took us
to go back to Kashmir.
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I was six years old when we left Kashmir,
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but I don't remember any of it
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Growing up,
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I kept hearing stories about our house
in Rainawari.
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The land, the neighborhood
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and gardens full of apple and walnut trees.
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That's Neetu, my sister.
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1980
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That's my dad in Italy in '82.
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This, I don't know
where this is taken.
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Sonu, Neetu,
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aunt, mom and baji.
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But when I went to Kashmir
in 2014,
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seeing my parents there with my sister,
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something changed.
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And, Mr. and Mrs. Jalali,
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How has been the homecoming?
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Oh top!
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I'm loving it!
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-You're loving it?
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It's hard to describe but
I know what I felt
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and I kept that feeling with me.
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On that trip, I asked my dad
to show me where our house was.
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But he refused.
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Maybe it was fear
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or maybe he wanted to avoid something.
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Or maybe I didn't ask enough.
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Few years later, I went to Kashmir
by myself to see our house
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but I couldn't find it.
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And that broke my heart.
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I came back to Bombay
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and decided to find out
more about my house.
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Ok, can you tell me around '89-'90,
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what was happening in Kashmir?
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-What was the atmosphere like?
-Sure, sure.
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So...
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Ok...
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so when this whole...
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phenomena of
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terrorism started in Kashmir
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how it began and
how we understood it was
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very different actually.
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It's a situation where
one would say that you are
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in this nice little place,
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valley and the storms are brewing around you
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and you cannot... you are all
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there are no voices.
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Initially, it started with stone throwing.
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I mean you would have heard in today's
from many years that
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stone throwing and everything is happening
in Kashmir but
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it has been a part and parcel of Kashmir
for a very long time.
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What we call in Kashmiri,
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Kani Jung, you know 'Kani' means
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actually a rock, stone
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'Jung' means the battle of course.
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So that would happen more often.
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And we would have for days together
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strikes and school would be closed.
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What was...
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the difference between before '90 and post,
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and during '90s was,
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the struggle was an armed struggle
'90s forward.
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What I remember was,
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I think when Hari Singh High school was burning,
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so that was a very panic situation basically
in our house.
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When it was burning,
we could see the flames coming.
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So I called my aunt,
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and I told her something has happened.
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There is... Hari Singh High school
is on fire.
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I got so scared,
I didn't talk to anyone.
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I don't know why I called my aunt and
I told her I don't what's going to happen to us.
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Will we also burn like this?
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She said, don't worry, nothing will happen.
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It's fine. Hari Singh High School
is so far from your house.
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I said, but the area I think
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is similar. I was so...
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I was actually very scared.
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I hung up. But I remember my dad was
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preparing himself.
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Where our house was,
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at the backyard of the house,
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there was a backyard,
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and behind that there was a canal.
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Across the canal was a Muslim neighborhood.
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My father started sleeping in the room which
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faced that side,
and he had a gun,
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a shooting gun. I mean
he would go to
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for trekking and all, that's where
he used to take it with him.
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He told my mother,
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if anything happens,
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first thing what I'm going to do is,
I'm going to
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kill my daughters.
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I don't want
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my daughters to be in hands of
someone else.
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That is what I'm going to do first.
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Through that night, I remember, I...
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I wept and I wept and I wept.
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Was it Hari Singh High school
or was it DAV school that Neetu saw burning?
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Sonu thought it was DAV
in later conversations.
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As I dug in, I realized that
the institutions on which we relied for truth
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were damaged in the 90s.
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Can you tell me how we left Kashmir?
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We were sensing things are not right.
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And it was dad's friend.
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His Kashmiri muslim friend who was
so dear to us
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and we were so dear to him.
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Who happened to be in the neighborhood mosque.
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Over there, it was discussed
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that my father is trying to
come in the way of
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the cause
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which is Freedom, because
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probably he would have spoken in
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the streets and said that army would come
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everything will be fine and
because of that,
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he was an 'Informer' and
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his name was on the hit list.
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So what they used to do there,
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on the neighborhood water tank,
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they would stick list of names,
saying that you're next.
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And my father's name was there and
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He came and said, no you need to go
I don't think
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when the situation gets better,
you come back but right now,
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it is safe you go and
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leave.
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I still get trembling in my body
when I think of that night.
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So that night,
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in the whole of Srinagar,
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at a particular time,
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throughout
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all the mosques,
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they started shouting slogans.
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Slogans like - Come out everybody!
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This is our night and we have to
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free Kashmir and
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everyone came out and again
Kashmiri Pandits,
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come out or else you'll be killed
in your own houses
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and people were dragged out of their homes.
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You were very small.
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You were very small.
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And somehow
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me and Neetu
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put you to sleep.
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You slept.
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But we couldn't sleep all night
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because we didn't know
what was going to happen.
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Then my father and mother
picked up a few things quickly
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and made a bundle.
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I remember, the first thing I did
was pick up my progress report.
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Because, I thought if I have to go somewhere
how will I study?
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Where will I go? I didn't know anything.
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That is the only thing I kept,
my report card.
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That's all I remember
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because that was my identity.
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I didn't have anything else.
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Like this we left from there.
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Never knowing that we had left for good.
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We left everything behind.
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Out of all the things,
I have one regret
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that we had a brand new train
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for you, my little sister
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and we couldn't use it
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and we left it there.
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So, till date I feel bad for that.
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There were small tracks we would lay down
and I would play a lot with you
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with that train.
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We couldn't pack that.
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Everything was left behind.
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From tangible to intangible things,
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from memories to things,
everything was left behind
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and is still there.
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These memories are not mine
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All I remember is a tap in the courtyard,
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a few colored walls,
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and that once it snowed.
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But there is a puzzle in my mind
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and I know if I look harder,
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I may find its lost pieces.
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Like when Neetu mentioned the train,
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it lit up a faint memory of it
in my mind
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and I thought,
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maybe some words, some description
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some incident may help me
remember my house.
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So I have very fond memories of my house
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on the backside, there was a nice garden
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with apple tress, almond trees.
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And every winters it used to be like...
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it would be fully covered in snow.
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So memories are many, but
this is one of the nicest memories.
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We were so small and innocent
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that we always used to think
we would make ice cream with that snow.
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Everyday, we would take a pan outside,
put milk and sugar in it
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and we would leave it under the snow
for 5-6 days.
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But of course, nothing would happen.
It would just be snow.
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You know, there was a rose plant.
White color rose used to come.
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Throughout all these years, when I was
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growing, I remember
my aunt pruning it, but
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it used to again grow so big.
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I remember, my house was circular
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our neighbors on right were Dhars,
we were Jalalis
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and in front there was the Vaas family.
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So they were big houses.
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And on TV, Ramayan show used to come.
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When it would get over,
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all the kids of neighborhood,
Hindus and Muslims would come out
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we would make our own bow and arrows at home,
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and
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all Muslim kids also,
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like the TV show, they would also say
'Hail Lord Rama'.
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I used to feel safe.
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In that courtyard, till late at night
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I would ride my bicycle.
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I would play with lot of my friends.
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But I used to feel really safe.
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This was
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late '80s.
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You can see you're here.
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Little girl with these two little pony tails.
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Where is this taken?
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This is home, I mean
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there was a courtyard where...
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most of the weddings and functions would happen
of all the four families.
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Why is my father wearing this
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-Muslim cap?
-It was very cold.
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Kind of a thing, is it?
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He still wears Muslim caps.
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I think it comes naturally to him.
He had so many friends, I mean
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many people even till today
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mistake him for being a Muslim
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when he goes and buys mutton
in a mutton shop.
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And this is you.
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Little little one when you were
really small.
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This was brown silk sari
and I remember this
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double shade sari
which she was really proud of to
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you know, to have in her trunk.
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And we lost it
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while we were bringing our stuff
from Srinagar to Jammu.
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And our house was in front,
you had a canal
00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:35.519
beautiful canal, and then
00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:38.319
it had the valley right,
so you have
00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:41.839
mountains around you.
On this side was Hari Parbat Temple.
00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:45.000
On this side you would see at night
00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:50.400
Chashme Shahi garden glowing in the night.
00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:55.160
So I would wonder looking at the clouds,
what is
00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:58.359
why do people say it's paradise?
00:17:58.359 --> 00:18:02.599
What is paradise?
How is it paradise? It's ok, it's normal.
00:18:02.599 --> 00:18:05.960
But when we left Srinagar,
00:18:05.960 --> 00:18:08.519
that's when it hit me the most...
00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:10.680
that yes...
00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:13.759
that was paradise.
00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:28.119
These memories are beautiful,
00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:30.799
but to me they feel borrowed.
00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:34.440
It's very unsatisfying
00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:37.799
when you have nothing of your own
to hold on to.
00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:40.440
That's when you look for home.
00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:43.359
Because it will always be your own.
00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:47.440
Growing up, I felt the absence of home,
00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:49.920
much more than its presence.
00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:54.319
Three cities and six houses later,
00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:56.960
I still can't seem to settle down.
00:18:58.359 --> 00:19:01.359
Maybe this rootlessness is a
curse of my exile
00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:07.200
and maybe that's why I keep searching.
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Hello?
00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:30.119
-Yes?
-Uncle, this is Rimjhim.
00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:34.759
Oh Rimjhim!
I'm so highly thrilled and delighted
00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:36.599
to talk to you.
00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:41.960
-Thank you, uncle.
-Oh Rainawari! I remember how I used to carry you
00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:44.039
over to our house.
00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:47.720
You were just a baby and
I'd whisk you away.
00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:53.799
Actually, my mother must have told you
I'm making a small film
00:19:53.799 --> 00:19:58.200
about our house and about Rainawari.
00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:02.160
I called you in case, you have
some old photos of the house
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Oh what a house it was!
If there was a house worth seeing in Rainawari,
00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:09.079
it was ours. We were thrown out of that place.
00:20:09.079 --> 00:20:11.680
We did not leave happily.
00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:11.720
We did not leave happily.
00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:20.440
I always thought did I hurt people
when I asked these questions?
00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:25.240
I reached out to family, friends,
00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:27.000
neighbors, cousins
00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:29.079
hoping to find some answers
00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:38.200
-Hello!
-Hi!
00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:46.519
How come you got late?
00:20:46.519 --> 00:20:48.759
There is so much traffic.
00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:53.640
There is so much traffic in Delhi.
00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:56.400
Masi, how are you?
00:20:56.400 --> 00:21:01.039
Yes, going on.
00:21:01.039 --> 00:21:03.079
Say hi!
00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:09.559
Do you remember anything about Kashmir?
00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:10.839
What should I say?
00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:14.599
-Tell me everything.
-It would snow, it would rain
00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:17.440
What else would I know
00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:24.119
Tell me something...
what do you call incident or memory?
00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:25.880
Any incident...
00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:29.279
-about your childhood?
-What stories should I tell?
00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:31.559
I don't remember much
00:21:31.559 --> 00:21:33.880
What would you do all day?
00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:35.880
Just sit around
00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:40.160
How is it possible, for a lady like you to sit all day?
00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:44.680
I would just sit around
00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:47.680
In village, what did you do?
00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:49.880
In village, we had
00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:53.119
so many servants
00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:55.599
How many servants did you have?
00:21:55.599 --> 00:21:58.519
Many servants
00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:02.440
Some would get rice, some would...
00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:07.480
-Some would...?
-Some would axe the trees for wood.
00:22:08.519 --> 00:22:11.519
Get water from the streams
00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:12.720
What would you do?
00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:15.240
We would do nothing.
00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:16.039
Enjoy.
00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:18.720
Ya right. Enjoy!
00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:25.680
May my daughters and daughters-in-law enjoy like I did
00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:28.960
Do you remember Rainawari?
00:22:28.960 --> 00:22:31.279
Our house?
00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:34.359
I don't remember much
00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:36.759
When you left Kashmir,
00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:38.720
did you feel bad?
00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:41.680
Yes, a lot...
00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:44.119
Which day?
What happened that day?
00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:46.480
There were loud screams
00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:49.839
What is Kraknad?
00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:51.839
Commotion! Loud screams!
00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:57.079
Pandits have left! Pandits have left!
Pandits have left!
00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:01.119
This is from our village,
00:23:01.119 --> 00:23:03.559
Gundi Ibrahim, Pattan, where we used to stay
00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:06.359
This is all from there. There are fields behind.
00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:08.400
This is in winter,
00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:12.000
that's why we were wearing pheran.
00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:16.599
-This is your wedding.
-This is my wedding, I came to Rainawari as a groom.
00:23:17.960 --> 00:23:20.279
-My wedding...
-In Rainawari?
00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:21.400
All these are of Rainawari?
00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:23.279
Yes that's where the wedding was
00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:26.319
Where is this from?
00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:29.079
Even this is from the village.
00:23:29.079 --> 00:23:31.359
-Pattan?
-Yes, Pattan. Whose house is this?
00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:33.680
This is our house and garden.
00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:36.759
-Such a big house!
-Yes, four storeyed.
00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:38.279
You didn't sell it ever?
00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:42.119
No, we didn't sell,
it's still there.
00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:45.799
If you sell it, sell it to me.
00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:47.759
If you decide...
00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:51.559
even this is the same
00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:54.880
Kaka bhaiya,
why are you styled like this?
00:23:54.880 --> 00:23:56.720
Well I was in college so...
00:23:56.720 --> 00:23:58.680
That's my dad, in the village
00:23:58.680 --> 00:24:00.680
This is my Muslim friend.
00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:03.920
-Are you still friends?
-Yes, we are.
00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:05.279
Where does he stay?
00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:08.519
He shuttles between
Delhi and Kashmir.
00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:11.960
Why do you think I'm
making this film?
00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:14.559
Or whatever I'm trying to do?
00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:19.119
For our own community,
how we used to live
00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:20.880
in Kashmir, it's a good thing.
00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:25.000
We never wanted to leave ever,
00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:26.799
but still.
00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:30.000
We always wanted to
live in that place.
00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:41.480
I always ask my
mother to cook mutton
00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:43.519
when she comes to Bombay.
00:24:46.599 --> 00:24:48.920
Sometimes thrice a week.
00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:06.720
-This is in Rainawari?
-The wedding was in Rainawari.
00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:08.480
It's been tough to
get her to talk.
00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:12.240
But somehow she was amused
watching her own sister on screen
00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:14.039
and opened up a bit.
00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:17.400
-Who's house is this?
-This is our house and garden
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:20.079
-Such a big house!
-Yes, four storeyed house.
00:25:20.079 --> 00:25:23.680
They had a four storeyed house.
00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:33.319
These people used to be
wealthy in the real sense.
00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:39.119
They left after you from
Kashimir right? You...
00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:40.880
left in January?
00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:44.000
We left around January...
February.
00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:47.920
All we took was one
suitcase with us
00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:55.359
I washed clothes that night,
00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:57.839
thinking we'll be tired
00:25:57.839 --> 00:26:01.759
when we come back by bus.
00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:08.519
Little did I know that I left
everything behind for them to grab!
00:26:10.759 --> 00:26:13.160
We left our ration
card, documents...
00:26:13.160 --> 00:26:15.880
...everything in Kashmir.
00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:17.920
You had to restart
everything from scratch?
00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:19.000
Yes.
00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:22.200
Sonu studied in a refugee camp school.
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:24.240
And Neetu?
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:27.640
Neetu studied in Jammu
00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:32.519
and then we moved to Delhi.
00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:37.240
Two-three years were very harsh,
00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:39.200
when we had to resettle,
00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:41.839
all utensils were left behind.
00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:51.440
How old were you when you left?
00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:54.359
How old were you when
you left from Srinagar?
00:26:56.599 --> 00:27:00.039
In 30s... 35
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:01.039
35.
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:03.960
I'm 36 now.
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:25.200
That's me in the maroon Pheran.
00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:48.319
That's my dad.
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:50.240
Look, how he is dancing.
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:58.079
Well I got married
in '88 in Delhi
00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:01.400
and then after that I was hoping
00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:04.599
I left for abroad.
00:28:04.599 --> 00:28:08.279
I live in Canada
and after that I...
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:10.000
...have not been able to go back.
00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:11.240
Since...
00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:13.319
-'88?
-88'.
00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:14.400
Why?
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:17.880
In '88 itself there were
some issues that started in...
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:23.720
...Kashmir and I recall
actually going back '88-'89
00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:28.559
I was not able to get hold of
my parents for at least 5-6 months,
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:31.640
because there were
no phones working,
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:33.400
nothing was in the news.
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:36.319
I tried get hold of embassies to ask
00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:39.200
what's going on?
How can they get hold of my family?
00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:40.480
For me, when I left
00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:43.079
thinking I have to go so far...
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:45.640
I always knew I'm coming back.
00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:48.599
You know,
every summer I would be coming back
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:51.200
with my kids, in future,
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:52.799
with my husband,
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.519
and that never happened and
that to me was shocking. To me,
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:59.880
that was I don't want to put in
strong words, but I felt cheated.
00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:02.559
I felt cheated by
everybody, I loved
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:04.279
there, I felt...
00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:06.960
betrayed in many ways
00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:08.599
that somebody stole my home,
00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:11.720
somebody stole my identity,
somebody stole my childhood.
00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:13.960
Because to me, when I went
00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:16.200
abroad, I had nobody there.
I had
00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:19.200
absolutely no one there.
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:25.839
Binny di, do you remember
our house in Kashmir?
00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:29.160
So I remember it like a story,
00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:32.319
the path that leads
to my uncle's kitchen
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:34.880
to the alleyway,
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:38.160
passing the butcher shop,
passing the pharmacy,
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:41.039
passing those little
alleyways that you had to
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:43.920
run because some parts
of that were scary.
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:48.720
And of course,
all the dirt and different
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:51.480
open-drains, sewers,
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:53.319
smells...
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:56.319
everything was ...
00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:00.480
all combined with so
many people cooking.
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:03.960
That smell. All mixed up.
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:08.880
Staying for the night,
sleeping on the floor and singing hindi songs
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:10.279
all the time.
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:18.119
One of my most important fond
memories that I cannot forget is
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:22.160
me singing my song to your
dad all the time he used to
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:23.480
I was a kid.
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:25.359
I would sing a song...
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:27.039
and he would say Binny Sing
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:28.759
Binny sing the song.
00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:30.680
and I would sing it for him.
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:33.920
That when I
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:36.400
relate my mother's maiden
home, I relate to
00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:38.559
-that song.
-Which song?
00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:41.319
'My beloved has forgotten me'.
00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:43.559
I relate that to
my mother's maiden home
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:45.839
That's fondest memory of all
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:48.680
I have of my mother's maiden home.
00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:57.079
Through my cousin,
00:30:57.079 --> 00:30:59.039
I found a treasure
of old pictures.
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:07.599
But no where did I find
what I was looking for.
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:12.039
An image of my house.
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:21.440
So the only way was to
go and find my house.
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:25.799
This time with the guide.
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:37.519
What's written?
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:41.640
It looks like Farsi not Urdu.
I know little Urdu.
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:50.759
Did you stay at Rainawari?
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:52.319
-Yes, in Rainawari.
-Where exactly in Rainawari?
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:56.359
Close to Naidyaar, near DAV school.
Do you know Karapora Khushki?
00:32:56.359 --> 00:32:58.000
You know Jogi Ianker?
00:32:58.000 --> 00:32:59.720
It was near Jogi Ianker.
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:00.960
Near the bridge?
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:04.000
Yes, it was before
crossing the bridge.
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:08.200
I stay in Bangalore,
she stays in Mumbai.
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:11.440
We all are strewn around
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:20.599
Show us our photo!
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:26.680
How cute, ya!
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:32.519
Did you come here before?
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:34.400
This is my second time.
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:39.680
Last time we came three
years back with our father.
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:43.279
We came as a family.
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:53.200
Yeah Nida,
Nisaar just called me.
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:56.480
So he knows
Rainawari well right?
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:03.640
Okay great. Thank you Nida. Bye.
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:06.880
Thank you.
Internet is not working today
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:09.320
so I will call you
if there is anything.
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:13.920
I think there is an
encounter going on somewhere
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:16.159
That's what they were saying.
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:19.199
Yea somewhere near
Batmaloo area,
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:23.639
but we'll see,
we'll go around Rainawari, we'll see.
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:28.079
We'll go with Nisaar.
He knows, he is Amit's guy.
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:31.199
Do you not want
to have the bread?
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:32.559
That's it. How much!
00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:07.960
Internet not working,
is a sign of trouble in Kashmir.
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:10.039
And going near
downtown Srinagar,
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:13.199
is exactly what one would avoid.
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:19.599
I think this also belonged
to another Jalali family
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:21.440
Behind also are
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:23.480
Pandit houses.
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:28.239
But this was my only chance.
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.400
I didn't want to
miss a single thing.
00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:36.119
Let's go a bit ahead.
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:41.599
I wanted to feel home so badly
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:43.840
that I kept walking.
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:47.360
-Which area did you stay at?
-Kalwal mohalla.
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:50.559
-Yes.
-I remember this way.
00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:54.440
-This area is Kralyar and further...
-I used to come here for tuition.
00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:58.440
This is Wakil's (family) area.
On the right, were entirely Pandit homes.
00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:03.880
Wakil sir used to
teach me Maths.
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:06.119
On the right,
this whole area belonged to Pandits.
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:09.039
I remember everything.
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:11.639
No no. I know Kashmiri
properly and well.
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:14.440
She must have been very small.
00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:18.239
She was very small,
she doesn't remember.
00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:20.280
When did you come?
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:22.000
We came yesterday.
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:23.800
The love for your
land brings you here!
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:27.360
The love for your
land brings you here!
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:34.639
See, she is crying!
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:39.760
Her love for land
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:41.440
has brought her here.
00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:45.119
Can you see she is crying
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:46.719
I'm a mess!
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:49.280
-Don't cry.
-No. No.
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:51.679
We're your brothers.
00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:55.239
Don't worry. God will take care.
00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:57.159
Go ahead on your journey.
00:36:57.159 --> 00:36:59.960
No one will say anything.
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:08.800
My friend used to
stay on this side.
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:13.159
-Somewhere near that house.
-Which house?
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:14.760
It's locked.
00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:18.679
Should we try?
00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:20.199
Should we...?
00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:22.039
I think this used
to be her house.
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:24.079
-Who's house?
-Ruksana, my friend.
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:27.239
I remember when we were kids
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:34.840
You know special yellow rice? If it was
someone's birthday we would stand in corner
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:36.880
and they would distribute
it from a massive pot.
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:42.400
We would take the treat in our hands.
That's why we often walked this way.
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:45.079
I think there is
some other entrance.
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:46.800
No, it's this, I think...
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:50.599
maybe they have constructed
a new house or changed it.
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:56.599
See Samud! Oh!
Girja Aunty's house.
00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:58.800
-Girja aunty's house.
-Which one?
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.480
-That one!
-This is my cousin's house.
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:02.679
I will show you. Come.
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:05.320
That big house that you see,
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:08.000
see that pink shop?
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:14.440
This used to be Samud's shop,
we used to get curd from him.
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:17.159
-I don't think he would be alive
now -But where was the shop?
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:18.880
This pink shop,
00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:23.679
he used to sell
only curd and milk.
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:24.519
Who's house is this?
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:27.639
Who are you looking for?
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:31.039
Isn't this Machama's house?
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:34.960
Yes, it's Machama's house.
00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:37.360
In the front is Partazi's house,
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:44.119
the other one is Koul's
and Dhar's house (Pandit homes).
00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:45.480
The rest is changed.
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:47.119
We are Jalalis
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:49.519
We used to stay closer to
where the dispensary was
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:53.440
-Misha sahib...
-Misha sahib (shrine)... yes
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:54.480
What's your last name?
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:56.480
-Jalalis.
-Jalali.
00:38:56.480 --> 00:39:00.639
-Which Jalalis?
-My father's name is Pran Nath Jalali.
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:02.320
Pran Nath Jalali.
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:04.360
Even Neelkanth's used
to stay around here
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:08.320
Okay, I got it. Yes, you used to
stay near the small alley there.
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:12.320
-Post office is still there?
-Yes, it is there as it was.
00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:15.159
Nagari used to stay there
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:19.079
Post office is there as it was.
Nagari used to stay
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:22.320
-in front of the state bank I think.
-Yes yes.
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:26.320
Hey, what about the money?
00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:28.960
Rs 10 only right?
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:31.679
Not this one, the other one.
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:34.559
-Come have tea.
-We will finish first going
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.960
-Please come here.
-We will see our home and come
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:42.079
There is no change in
love, its the same.
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:45.280
We are the same what we
were then and also now.
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:48.920
The only difference is that
then we were younger and now
00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:51.559
we have become old.
00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:53.400
We are the same.
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:58.400
Feelings are the same.
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:00.920
The one's who were small,
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:03.119
playing in laps are now old.
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:08.280
If we tell them about Pandits,
they will ask what does that mean?
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:11.320
We tell them they were
like us only living here,
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:13.480
but some understand
and some don't.
00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:18.400
During Janamashtami,
the procession would pass through here.
00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:20.800
We would pull the cart.
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:24.280
I remember when we were small...
00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:26.599
...we would follow the procession...
00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:28.360
...through the whole area,
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:32.360
when it would reach the end,
00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:36.519
There would always be
a fight for apples.
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:39.639
I remember a bit
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:42.719
Do you remember,
they would cut it in four pieces and give
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:45.639
-on the way...
-They would give us milk and curd.
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:48.800
We would go specially for that.
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:53.400
There was a post on the
internet, written by a girl...
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:56.239
...probably an editor abroad...
00:40:56.239 --> 00:41:00.000
She had said that she used...
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.639
...to buy curd from this shop.
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:06.519
And she wouldn't be satisfied with extra curd he gave in her
palm to eat and gobble up all the curd.
00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:11.039
Yes yes,
this is our other sister.
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:17.639
We would send her to fetch the curd.
But by the time she got home, it was over.
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:19.400
She would always lie
that it fell down.
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:21.480
She has put this on the internet
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:26.760
One of my early adventures
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:29.039
but now a defunct
Facebook page.
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:31.960
Hu kus bu kus was something
I started in 2017.
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:39.519
It was a page where
Kashmiris who had left
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:41.159
would share happy memories.
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:49.079
But I was surprised that it had
made its way to these lanes.
00:41:56.119 --> 00:42:00.800
It's written in Sanskrit. Says Shiv
Shankar and then Om or something.
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:02.719
Om.. Bhu..
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:04.079
-You know Hindi?
-A bit
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:05.960
Same here.
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:11.119
-This was the Kar house?
-Yes, yes.
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:12.480
Kar house...
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:18.599
-New structures start from here.
-Our house was this way as well
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:20.559
I think it could be this.
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:23.159
-It's all changed.
-Yes, all changed.
00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:27.159
Doesn't feel like the
same place at all.
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:32.400
These lanes used to
be much narrower.
00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:40.719
This was our land.
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:44.159
-Let's go, we know them.
-So let's go then.
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:51.559
What's the matter?
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:54.840
You had come to her wedding.
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:57.920
Oh yes! Please come in.
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:02.280
-This was the land, our house was that way.
-Your house was there.
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:06.920
-It's all gone
-Yes, all gone. This had burnt down.
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:13.039
-She was just a little baby then.
-Yes, she was very young.
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:15.360
She used to have milk. Come in!
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:20.760
I told your dad to come
and make a house here.
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:24.000
-He's no more.
-What?
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:25.880
What happened?
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:30.119
She's saying he's passed away.
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:46.559
Ok, come come
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:50.360
When did this happen?
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:52.800
30th November, now.
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:55.119
This November?
We were just there...
00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:56.920
He was in Bangalore, right?
00:43:56.920 --> 00:43:59.079
He used to stay in
Bangalore, right?
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:06.039
Listen!
00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:08.639
Your brother is no more.
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:12.119
Pran Nath Jalali.
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:14.760
In November!
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:30.280
How's your mother?
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:36.360
I would give my life for you.
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:53.519
I had called him
around that time.
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:57.760
He hadn't been keeping well.
00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:07.400
He was my brother!
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.280
He was not my neighbor,
he was my brother!
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:23.039
I was supposed to make
this trip with my father.
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:27.480
By losing him while
making of this film,
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:30.599
it left me completely helpless.
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:34.400
Everyday I regret not being
able to do this with him.
00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:44.639
When I lost him,
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:49.119
for a moment I almost lost my
purpose of making this film.
00:45:55.480 --> 00:45:56.920
I felt that making this film
00:45:56.920 --> 00:46:00.079
will help him see me
better for who I was
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:02.440
and what I really
felt for Kashmir.
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:12.960
When there was a wedding,
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:18.199
he would wake me up
saying, "get up, get up."
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:21.039
He would pull me out of the bed
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:23.079
saying it's time
for the ceremony.
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:27.400
He would say I add
life to the atmosphere.
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:31.400
Around that time only
the movement started!
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:37.320
Then this all became ruin!
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:41.159
Otherwise it was a bustling place!
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:43.280
For me you are not married, you are still children.
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:47.440
I used to make you guys pee in the drain here.
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:55.760
This is always your
house and I'm your aunt.
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:00.000
He did not deserve
to die so young.
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:02.039
Here a lot of people,
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:04.000
died with bullets.
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:09.119
Which bullet did he take?
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:11.039
He had faced a lot of trouble in life,
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:14.159
since he was just a boy.
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:22.599
So many troubles and three daughters to top it all off.
What bad luck!
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:42.719
Which one was their house?
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.119
This was their house,
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:47.039
see this one.
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:51.360
This was all burnt
down during the fire
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:53.800
and only that house
remained, Gursin's house!
00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:57.559
This plot only grew
stinging nettle.
00:47:57.559 --> 00:47:59.679
Yes. Used to be filled with it.
00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:03.320
We would get caned with it!
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:10.480
So there was nothing here?
00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:13.400
It was a big plot.
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:16.760
This was your plot.
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:21.440
I told your father,
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:24.159
may he rest in peace,
00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:28.519
if you want to sell this land,
00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:31.159
then don't sell it
to anyone but me!
00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:34.880
He said,
I wish to breathe my last here.
00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:38.920
Told him, his wish was my command,
but sell this land only to me.
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:41.000
I promised
00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:43.039
this is yours,
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:45.840
but if you want to live here,
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:48.239
I will make a house for you.
00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:50.880
He cried a lot.
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:52.519
Yes that day, he cried a lot.
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:54.760
Cried a lot...
00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:58.480
Dad kept his hand on my head
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:02.039
and said whenever you want,
come and make a house here.
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:06.320
-I swear by him, this house is yours.
-I wanted to show him the picture.
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:09.280
This is your house.
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:12.039
Don't think that
00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:14.119
you came here scared.
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:17.440
Just kick the door and come inside.
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:22.800
You look just like Baji.
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:31.039
-Do you think we can go and see the house?
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:33.679
-It doesn't look like our house.
00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:38.039
You want to go and see?
Come come!
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:38.800
Thank you!
00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:43.280
My dad never told me all this.
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:47.360
For my dad, his home was
never far from his thoughts.
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:51.760
His passwords were
often Rainawari.
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:58.800
It was as if Rainawari was
a keeper of all his secrets.
00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:02.559
The girls are from here only.
They are not strangers.
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:15.400
-This is Gursin's.
-No, Dhar's
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:16.079
This is Dhar's.
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:20.639
Oh, this is gone.
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:23.800
This was your house
00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:25.920
This looks like its shrunk!
00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:29.760
It seems so small!
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:31.639
The garden used to be so big!
00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:34.119
Both the houses came closer
00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:37.119
-and they reduced the space.
-Even Mattoo's seems closer.
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.039
All this is new.
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:42.599
This doesn't look
the same at all
00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:51.159
This is not at all what it was.
00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:53.559
There was a tap here.
00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:54.679
Here, was your tap.
00:50:54.679 --> 00:51:00.599
Yes, yes it was right here.
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:04.400
This was your house.
00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:07.239
You had rooms on right.
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:08.519
This side was our's
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:13.039
the door was there.
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:15.320
Yes, there was the door.
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:17.920
This is your house
00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:21.639
and the door used
to be in the centre.
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:25.719
There was a staircase going up,
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:27.679
this is completely different.
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:29.880
They have made a new house.
00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:32.960
The kitchen was here.
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:42.440
This door would lead to the backyard and the garden.
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:46.519
There was a verandah
and lots of trees.
00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:49.760
Yes, lots of trees.
00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:52.280
Wow, you remember everything exactly!
00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:58.559
From here you had land
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:00.480
all the way till there.
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:02.920
Yes, yes.
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:05.880
This is...
our kitchen was small.
00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:10.960
And there was a sink next to it.
00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:19.840
In one night, her father left.
00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:24.480
What he did was,
he had a rifle to shoot birds.
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:26.440
-You had a rifle right?
-Yes.
00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:28.679
He got his gun out and
he left for Nigeen lake.
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:31.400
I told him you shouldn't
have done this.
00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:34.400
Why did you get the
gun out in public?
00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:39.000
When I heard I told him
wrap your stuff and leave!
00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:47.079
I knew the house had
been burnt down.
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:51.280
But I had foolishly hoped
00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:53.920
that I would find
some trace of my home.
00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:00.760
That just being in this place,
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:04.000
would somehow unlock
my buried memories.
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:12.639
But not even a fragment,
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:14.079
not a broken wall
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:16.159
or door had survived.
00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:34.840
Can you hear this
rustling of trees?
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:39.400
I'm listening to this
sound after 28 years.
00:54:39.400 --> 00:54:43.360
One understands how
you've missed it,
00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:45.440
how much have you missed it.
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:46.960
See?
00:54:55.480 --> 00:54:57.840
My mother would often say
that, me and my father
00:54:57.840 --> 00:54:58.599
were the only two
00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:00.679
who would never stay at home.
00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:08.119
I like to believe that I
share his wandering spirit
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:10.239
that has finally
brought me here.
00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:20.320
I went in May
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:22.559
with Sonu.
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:24.800
Were you scared?
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:26.119
No, I wasn't scared but
00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:32.519
found the house,
went to Samud's shop.
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:34.760
Did he remember us?
Was he there?
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:38.639
His son was there.
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:41.280
I was not scared but
Sonu was a bit scared.
00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:43.760
Did Samud remember us?
00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:45.559
During the editing of this film,
00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:47.800
I unexpectedly got a
call from my cousins
00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:49.400
who wanted to show me something.
00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:53.480
The last celebration
in our house
00:55:53.480 --> 00:55:55.880
was my cousin's Renu
and Pinky's wedding
00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:57.960
in 1989.
00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:00.159
The situation was
getting worse there.
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:01.679
It was the beginning
of the movement.
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:03.519
But we never realised
00:56:03.519 --> 00:56:05.960
It would get so bad that
we will have to run away.
00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:09.480
When I was going
for my honeymoon,
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:13.119
my office colleagues joked that
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:16.400
-how will you come back?
-I asked why?
00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:18.280
They said, you'll need a Visa,
00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:19.920
how will you come
without a passport?
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:22.159
They would joke about it and so would I
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:24.480
But I never thought
00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:26.480
it will come true.
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:29.719
And it did come true
00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:33.639
So till date I'm
still on my honeymoon,
00:56:33.639 --> 00:56:35.519
since I could never
go back to Kashmir.
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:38.800
I couldn't go back to Kashmir.
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:42.599
We had all lived together
in our ancestral home.
00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:44.840
Surprisingly,
even in those troubled times,
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they managed to
get a videographer.
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The wedding is clearer in that...
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In what?
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In the video...
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No one danced at weddings back then.
He's at least giving it a shot!
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Where is this?
At Fatehkadal house.
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Go ahead, it will be after this.
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Our house looked somewhat like this.
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But look how nice Srinagar looks, back in 1989.
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There's your dad!
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And that is Akhtar's house.
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We can see everyone's
house, but not ours!
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Oh! Finally!
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Thank God!
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At least something!
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-It's this right?
-Yes.
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What is this? And above this?
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This is where we used to stay
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on the ground floor.
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-This is first floor.
-Two windows of first floor.
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The one in the center...
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this is one small room.
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And just like that,
when I least expected it,
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there it was!
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Even if it was just
a piece of wall,
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it made me happy.
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Who's that?
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Hey I think I know him...
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You've met them.
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Ok can anyone tell
me who this is?
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That's you?
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-No!
-No, that's mumma, that's mumma!
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This is our house in Rainawari
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in Kashmir.
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You know what this
is in her hand?
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A basket!
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I don't know what is it called.
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It is called a Kangri.
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After a long time,
I was not a spectator
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but a teller of stories.
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Neetu masi and you
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That's her.
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Tell me who is this?
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That's you!
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That's mumma and Binny didi.
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Yeah, good!
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They look so much like boys.
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Grandma!
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-How many sisters...
-This is another wedding.
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-How many sisters does grandma have?
-My cousin's wedding.
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-How many sisters does granny have?
-Two sisters.
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That's also your mumma.
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So many people in our family.
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But how many do you know?
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So when you... do you know why
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Do you have any idea
why we left Kashmir?
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Many reasons.
01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:46.360
Something bad was
happening there.
01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:48.280
It wasn't safe anymore.
01:00:48.280 --> 01:00:51.679
Yeah, otherwise they
had to convert to Muslim
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or something, so they left.
01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:57.719
And apparently you were like...
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five...?
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-Six!
-Six!
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So when people ask
you are you Kashmiri,
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-then what do you say?
-Yes!
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Yea I am
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-And you Vihaan?
-A little bit.
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Not 100?cause...
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I was born...
I was born in England.
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My dad is from Delhi.
01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:24.039
-Yes.
-It's only my mom's side which is from
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Kashmir.
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So yeah, I am a little bit.
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-Like bit?
-Like 1/3rd.
01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:33.920
-You are a lot. Because you love mutton?
-Yeah!
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For years,I looked at Kashmir
within a certain paradigm
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and overnight
everything had changed.
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The constant struggle
with my sense of belonging
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as a Pandit...
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suddenly felt invalid.
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And I kept thinking
that all of us
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who shared the same land
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slept under the same
sky for centuries.
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How did we come to this point
01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:43.119
where we stopped acknowledging
each other's pain.
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Your grandfather was
like her brother.
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As kids, they knew each other.
01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:16.639
So when...
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your mumma went to
Kashmir in May with me,
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she told me that you gave her a
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hair strand of grandpa.
01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:30.599
Yeah, I had taken his cap.
The one cap he used to wear a lot,
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so in that I found one and
I just felt like keeping it.
01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:35.480
Why?
01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:38.119
Because of course it
reminded me of him.
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And I felt like keeping
a part of him with me.
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But why did you give her when
she was going to Kashmir?
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I thought maybe she would
want to take him there
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with her.
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Did you tell anyone about it?
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No, I haven't spoken
to anyone about it.
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Sana! Say something.
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Loss is a strange thing.
01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:33.719
Whether it's a
loss of a person,
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or a place or a memory.
01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:38.360
It's inevitable!
01:04:38.360 --> 01:04:40.719
But sometimes loss
can push you hard
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and sometimes pull you down.
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Either way,
it does something to us.
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It is transformative.
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It has an invisible strength
01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:53.400
that can make you do
unimaginable things.
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:01.800
Like going all the way
back to look for my house
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and realizing
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that Love for land is true.
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and belonging is from within.
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It can't and shouldn't
be proven to anyone.