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Rez Metal

When Navajo heavy metal band I DONT KONFORM sent out a demo album to Flemming Rasmussen, the Grammy Award-winning producer of Metallica, they never imagined that a few months later they would be rehearsing with him inside a hot Hogan on the Navajo reservation. As Rasmussen states after hearing their demo, “a specific technical element wasn’t what stood out for me but the raw emotion and the thematic rage running through their music stood out as something refreshing and unique” – something true to the life of this metal band. REZ METAL explores the thriving heavy metal scene on the Navajo reservation through the remarkable story of I DONT KONFORM and their journey gaining popularity on reservations and recording their debut album in Denmark with one of the music industry's most influential producers.

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[(0:05)]Man 1: Someone making comparisons. I just hate on my Heritage, say what they say, you're labeled as a Native American. Seen another native, too faded braided embarrassment, have to tell our own stories and make our own narratives. They look at my face and start behaving racist and arrogant. Stay in our case but with more than able to bear with it, watch the paint away gets okay, the rain will take care of it. Sacred locations made to embracing than cherish it. A bombing on these walls and some people calling it a graffiti.

Throwing up a hollow then it's followed by your 3D. Tagging up no dapple, they're not honoring our treaties. We tried to call on Donald, but Donald wouldn't see me.

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[(0:50)] Man 2: Metal is everything. It's my Jesus, my God, my Bible, my Allah, my mother earth, everything.

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[(1:04)] Man 3: 1 2 2 2 check check 2

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[(2:15)] Kyle Felter: My name is Kyle Felter My band is "I don't Konform", to do things our own way. We're not too typical people. We do the same shit every day, we don't want to- just against everybody who's bullshitter and an asshole [crosstalk]

[(2:34)] Man 4: With my cousin, we are trying to be formal, but then what- we are here, Metallica.

[(2:42)] Kyle: Phil Anselmo

[(2:48)] Man 5: My cousin Ed, we started IDK, on and off he was a drummer. He had problems he had to deal with.

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[(3:14)] Jerald Cecil: I am Jerald Cecil, the manager for I don't Konform. I graduated with Kyle in 2005 from Wonder Rock High School, but we were always in a separate crowds, and it wasn't until 2012 when his sister, she introduced me to the actual band. At the time, I was going to school for forensic psychology and then they were looking for a show. "Hey, I know this guy that does this thing at this pub and got him a show."

Then Kyle asked me, "Do you want to help us? Do you want to be our manager?" Hot man here in this band for the first time being with them. Even the old lineup, they were musicians. They were they were great. There was something wrong. There's something they needed. I'm pretty sure, what they needed to do was come back home to hone their craft, where the music is based off because Kyle is so getting pissed off.

We started doing this in Phoenix playing music, pretty much the old members, they all quit. I was getting that point to where I can't keep doing this, a lot of money and time goes into it. You don't get nothing back, I was getting to that point where I was burnt out about it. Send me back home.

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[(6:19)] Kyle: First, we played here, how many years ago is that?

[(6:22)] Man 6: It was in 2013.

[(6:34)] Jerald: What's up, man?

[(6:36)] Kyle: Long time no see, man.

[(6:40)] Jerald: It was always hard to get a venue on the Reds. All they want is country all the time. If you don't know anybody, then you're screwed.

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It was good that he came home. It was good that Brett was available here on the reservation. They picked up a drummer from another band. He was just that missing puzzle piece. That's Randy.

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[(7:13)] Man 1: Peace to all the people who were brought up in the teepees. Average Americans think we all live in Napa for freebies. We are following the dollar nothing's offered to the needy. The pockets are too greedy. We can stop it from succeeding. Stop swallowing the vodka and your body should stop raking. We've seen Halo Broken Dreams. No bottles in no genies. What happens when gas and fossil fuel start leaking, proceeding towards our rivers while our livers start bleeding. I'm rocking my Maxwell, them rocking these mics. We all can unite for what's right for water is life.

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[(8:09)] Jonathan Nez: There is a need out there throughout Indian Country to raise the awareness of how our young people are losing hope and committing suicide. We need to be able to talk about this. In our culture and our way of life, people say, "do not talk about these types of issues." As you know, we need to have this dialogues in our communities. I know through the leadership here, you all are having that discussion.

[(8:44)] Edmund Yazzi: Well true, went through a lot of them, high suicide incidents that happened. Even our Navajo Nation President declared it as an emergency. It's still has an effect with the root, not only here in the root, but it kind of outreach the surrounding area. I used to think it would never hit close to the family, but it has recently and it really is an eye opener.

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[(9:36)] Host: Our guest speaker this morning is Edmund Yazzie, the council delegate.

[(9:45)] Edmund: Good morning. This is my third term being on the nomination council and I represent six chapters on the Eastern Agency area. Nation is divided up into agencies and Eastern is up in the New Mexico.

That represents the whole Navajo trial, each of these arrows represent the chapter that sit on the Navajo Nation and then this is our great seal. This is representing the the rainbow and corn course, that's our Harvest. The four sacred mountains that we have.

[(10:24)] Jimmy: Good Morning.

[(10:24)]Edmund: Hey.

[(10:25)] What do you think about heavy metal music?

[(10:30)] Jimmy: It's all right.

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[(10:36)] Jerald: Do you like it Jimmy? Is it Okay?

[(10:43)] Jimmy: I never go to that kind of songs.

[(10:44)] Edmund: Jimmy here is a strong pastor, very respected. I grew up with his son. Like I said, he's very strong and I've heard him a couple of times giving us a hard time about heavy metal music but I couldn't dare not argue with our pastor here.

[(11:01)] Jerald: My elders would tell me, in Navajo, [foreign dialect] Mr. Yazzie, meaning, Mr. Yazzie is crazy for being in a metal band.

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[(11:17)] Jerald: My mom has always put that folks to metal music as the devil's music, but that's not what it's all about.

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[(11:32)] Edmund: When we really get into the momentum, throwing f-bombs. My wife doesn't like that, you know it. But you're into that moment where you see our kids, just not having a good time at moshing. Even when I see that and playing drums, just makes you want it to viciously continue to pound. You pump them up and they pump you up to. That's what it should be all about.

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[(11:58)] Edmund: What I've experienced suicide, alcohol abuse. There's got to be a reach to our kids who are trying to get out of that hole and hopefully they can look at the brotherhood and sisterhood of metal.

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[(12:17)] Edmund: I just want to see exposure among our native kids on metal music because most of it is geared on sports. We have professional athletes. Native American Navajos, who are in rodeos. I'm injured. It's cool. I'm glad they're out there. I watch them, I support them. We even had a professional golfer, Notah Begay, which is really good, when it comes to metal music, we want to expand the horizon and let people know we can punch it too.

Let me tell you something here. All this time, the one and only one council member said, "we're tired of just country music coming- " The one Council delegate, then it took the help of the vice president said-

Now there's talent among our Navajo kids. I'm fortunate and I'm very thankful that I'm on the council where we could express and bring out the talent among our native kids.
You'll never know, our local bands are going to hit the big areas. It's getting there, give it another 5, 10 years.

Mötley Crüe, I remember in an interview with Vince Neil said, "just because we wear makeup and lipstick, doesn't mean we won't kick your ass." Just funny. I'll just share a story. We had spring session and council was really praising bull rider that made it to the PBR, which is a professional bull riding.

Group of kids come in and I saw one in the chambers and one kid was wearing a Eddie Iron Maiden big old patch jacket. The trooper, Eddie, riding the horse, holding the British flag. When counsel stop praising the bull rider, then I asked to speak and I asked this young student to stand up and she was in the chamber's with her high school class from Albuquerque. She was shocked and she stood up and I said, "My colleagues, council, speaker, Look at this young lady and I'm going to have her turn around". This is what it's also all about. She turned around and it was a big old patch of Eddie riding a horse, Iron Maiden - The Trooper.

I said, "that's also talent too, metal music" and it just shot the council. Got everybody quiet. Of course, some of them looked at me like you're praising the devil.

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[(15:11)] Jerald: You look at the history of rock and roll and all the big trends happen as a regional music scene. One of the biggest things we want to accomplish, is to let people know that, heavy metal isn't children to bottom. It's not Rammstein. There's more to heavy metal music than what comes out of New York or LA.

I want this to happen with our music scene because you have so much talent here on the reservation and needs to get out there.

[(15:42)] Edmund: People probably still think we live in teepees back home. Natives just don't make Paulo music. When I'm sitting outside, playing preach all day, and there's a lot of great metal.

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[(16:05)] Kyle: Without a doubt, the most popular music among the youth is a heavy metal. You see it everywhere, that's why there's so many people wearing band shirts. You can't walk fifteen feet without seeing somebody in a Slayer, Pantera.
There's a myriad of issues on the reservation, socio-economic issues, there's issues with substance abuse, issues with even kids finishing high school. I think that if you have something as driven as heavy metal music. I think it helps them to cope a lot with. For the most part, these kids around here, that's pretty much all they have.

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[(16:43)] Jerald: All the stuff wrong with the world, everything pisses me off. It makes me want to listen to music. That has real soul in it, only real thing left metal.

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[(17:13)] Kyle's partner: Kyle and I have a very special connection. It's more than just a boyfriend and girlfriend. We support each other and we are each other's companion. Always encourage crowds, pursue his dreams, and do what he needs to do to get want he wants.

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[(17:46)] Kyle: We're basically in a proverbial black hole, not a lot of eyes on reservation music. For a band who really wants to get out there, they have to travel hundreds of miles to the nearest cities.

[(18:03)] Jerald: Gallant for everybody goes because it has a Walmart there. Places where you can shop. They make all the money off natives. If it wasn't for natives, that town wouldn't exist.

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[(18:36)] Ernie Santiago: There's only so much room for growth here in Gallup, because it's really small. It's surrounded by a reservation, of course. We hosted over two hundred and fifty shows. I would say the majority being metal. When we first started, let's get some big bands into the Gallup and then I started seeing the talent that's here.

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A typical crowd that come in here would probably be at least a hundred and fifty people, very energetic. Here in Gallup or in this area. The reservation people are really passionate. So a hundred and fifty people here, seem like four hundred and fifty people somewhere else.

[(19:18)] Jerald: I don't know why it's such a huge cultural thing on the Rez. It's because of our anger, discontent with everything, we're pissed off. That's nobody catch a break, nobody's throwing us a fucking bone. I think that's why heavy metal is as big as it is on the Reservation.

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[(20:03)] Edmund: I remember an interview done on the late Ronnie James Dio, He stated that "whatever happens, you got to keep metal alive." That's what I tell my son, 'we're trying to keep it alive."

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Metal to me, is about talent and giving the lyrics and you could relate to leaving of your stress papers. Like currently, that's going on now.
A lot of our young kids are just taking a life without no reason and really it's hurting the community. With that, we're trying to reach everyone through music and through positive outreaches.

[(21:09)] Bandmate 1: We are known that Navajo Nation is crazy as fuck when it comes to Metal shows, right? Here is motherfucker here. Yeah, that's crazy motherfucker. He's my cousin.

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[(21:38)] Kyle: My cousin Ed passed away about two or three months ago. The real thing around here is suicide. We all have friends who've done it. We all have friends who have friends that have done it. People in my family that have done it. There's always a domino effect when he did it that week, the next week seven other people did it around here.

[(22:04)] I get the same thoughts, same feelings.

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[(22:25)] Man 1: It made us reservations, pay for the tab and cancel feet. Master Chief sampled the piano key. We have survived. Some thought we die, for every mother, father, son and brother still alive. Now, it's time to thrive. Open up your mind, Focus, as I drive, hoping that you find that inspiration that's waiting for you, posted right outside. The moment he wrote this, his heart broken. So cry, knowing that he had probably tried to wipe his tears away. Thankful that you're up here today. Our tribes are here to stay. Beauty and every breath and step every day each year. I'm wishing they could be here.

[(22:57)] Bandmate 2: They do some acoustic flavorings for you guys tonight.
Reminds me of being in Mexico. So you guys can play for a few minutes. Forget it. I don't Konform coming up, so stick around, it's going to be good.

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[(23:21)] Jerald: A lot of people want to leave The Rez, but like it here. I don't want to live anywhere else. It's hard to take care of yourself, and a family. No jobs, I don't really know any opportunities.

You take 2 steps forward and 5 steps back, every time. We think that, is this going to happen.

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[(24:19)] Bandmate 3: I'm going do one album. I am just going to try and take the typical road travel, get a job and stay with the job and that was a whole goal of it.

[(24:42)] Kyle: We're searching for a producer that could produce the album, how they used to do, which was analog recording. To me, that's the best sound compared to today. Today's metal albums that come out, in my opinion, it's too machine, to computer done, it's boring. I want that live, loud sound.

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We're searching for a producer that could produce the album and how it used to which was analog recording. I came across some note. What was on those notes was every little thing, Angles of Mike, the amp knobs were drawn out of the wild. With this guy, he knows what he's doing and I saw the other albums he did. There's no way in the world. I didn't think it was possible. If I didn't contact him, then I would always wonder, the worst he can say is, "no." I sent the email.

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[(26:47)] Flemming Rasmussen: A lot out of people mainly know me because I produced Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets and Justice for All with the little California band called Metallica.

[(26:57)] [inaudible]

[(27:06)] Flemming: When Kyle contacted me, I found the whole project very interesting. I think the whole idea of Natives and The Reservation and all this. It kind of caught up to me and heard the music and I really liked it because it's got that aggression, that I haven't heard in a while. So, I got really interested in he project and we started talking.

[(27:32)] Kyle: Hello. Yes, this is Kyle.
He responded in three days. I specifically told him, we didn't care about getting famous. But as long as we get the word out that there's good music here. People can check it out here and see where we're coming from. It's unreal. If I wake up, I'd be pissed.

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[(28:17)] Kyle: A lot of kids, the first things they learn are Metallica songs.
Fucking metal gods, you grew up on it. That's what your parents listened to, you hear it, through everything and that's why he's such a big deal.

[(28:52)] Man 1: Last time. I checked it would desecrating gravesite spoke to God and said this is messed up and it ain't right. All people of color were together in the same fight. We are not infected. We're protected from the snake bite. Made weapons of mass expression, step into the stage like the spread of got bread [inaudible] whenever they lay pipe. How could we ever be trespassing over our own lands? Have a prayers tied and tied as we hold hands. Try to be get oppressed by the oppressor tired of being labeled the protest or not a protector. We're natives of today, saving our ways that hates fading away is be grazed prayers and sing.

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[(29:41)] Flemming: Are you guys excited right their?

[(29:43)] Band: Yeah.

[(29:51)] Flemming: All right. You are going to Europe dudes.

[(29:54)] Band: Oh shit.

[(29:56)] Flemming: This is where we shit. I like it. What chain is that?


[(30:04)] Kyle: It's also new to me. I'm taking it all in. It's very different from what I expected. I have been to this part of America before, it's an experience.

[(30:17)] Flemming: Did you see that?
That's all the flies. I need a picture of that.
Here you go. My wife's going to love this.

[(30:27)] Kyle: I don't want to you usually have going on [inaudible].
You would be black by the time we get to Denmark.

[(30:45)] Jerald: Time to clock in.

[(30:47)] Flemming: Let's just keep rehearsing here. This is a cool set up. It's actually cooler than outside. Somethings right even though you've been playing and sweating like hell.

[(31:02)] Jerald: It's unbelievable to have Flemming here on The Reservation. This guy works with some of the best, Rainbow, Metallica. It's happening here at Hogan and the The Reservation is remarkable. It's kind of a exciting, kind of anxiety. But we got this.

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[(31:46)] Flemming: It was bit like starting from page one with these guys because they never been to a real recording studio before. That's why we are doing this. Going to the studio and spending time doing that is much better than doing shit. Even though it was a long, fucking journey.

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It's a lot easier for me to know where they come from. To find out what the final outcome is going to be.

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[(33:03)] Jerald: Right here is Fort Defiance, those lights away in the far distance to the left of that Red Tower. To the right of that Red Tower is Window Rock. Then right over here to the right underneath those Red Towers, that's St. Michaels.

[(32:54)] Flemming: Okay. Cool.

[(33:04)] Jerald: When the U.S Cavalry came through, this blue candy right here. That was our last stronghold because the canon's narrow as a last stronghold to hold off the U.S Calvary.
Yeah.

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[(33:46)] Radio DJ: The only station as keeping it classic, it is. It's a Classic Rock Station 93X here in a wee bit. We're going to be checking out a band from Window Rock Reservation. It is I don't Konform. They're going to be hanging out here in the studio. Also, Flemming Rasmussen, the Grammy Award producer of Metallica.

[(34:02)] Flemming: One thing I can say is, I have absolutely nothing to do with the lack of base of And Justice for All. I know there's going to be about two hundred questions about -

[(34:14)] Radio DJ: Why a small band from Window Rock Arizona on the Reservation, Duke? Why not like - you're producing Metallica. I mean, huge dudes. You have you could pick up bands already got some notoriety and have been playing the circuit but three native dudes from The Rez.

[(34:31)] Flemming: Well, I'm pretty early on in my career decided not to move to the state. I'm mainly doing local Danish bands and I'm doing the art International act on and off. When Kyle contacted me, I found the whole project very interesting. I think the whole idea of Natives and The Reservation and all this. It kind of caught up to me and I heard the music and I really liked it. Because it's got that aggression that I haven't heard in a while. I got really interested in the project and we started talking

[(35:05)] Kyle: So far were shooting for. it was 8 or 9. How they used to do it. It makes more sense to focus on 8 or 9 songs. Make them good, instead of doing fifteen or twenty . Having a couple good ones on there, that's what we've been doing all week. He flew out here for pre-production. We've been working on songs and we actually practice in a Hogan, in Window Rock. There's no AC, as a fan.

[(35:31)] Radio DJ: I'm sure The Navajo Nation is very proud of you guys.

[(35:34)] Jerald: Oh, yes, and one thing I want to say. I want to thank the offices of the President and Vice President. They have been more than supportive and helpful for our band. This would not have happened five years ago, definitely not ten years ago and twenty years ago, because there's a shift in consciousness with the heavy metal music, with our tribal leaders, and it's positive, and we're really digging it right now.

[(35:55)] Radio DJ: Wow, so vice president's really a headbanger.

[(35:57)] All: Yeah.

[(35:57)] President Jonathan Nez: I'm a hard rocker, heavy metal person here. As long as I'm in office, we're going to continue to do a lot of these types of music festivals and concerts. [foreign dialect]

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We're doing an initiative throughout the Navajo Nation, to empower our young people. To give them a sense of importance. Let them know that we love them, we appreciate them and they're important to the entire Navajo Nation, rest of society. In order for this empowerment to happen, we have to give that venue for our young people to come together if he can see here tonight. There's a lot of our young people together with their families. When families are together suicide rate will go down dramatically and that's what we're focusing on with the- President Russell Begaye and myself- is to really empower our families. Giving them opportunity to come together and to share an experience together like heavy metal music.

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[(37:41)] President Jonathan: Better than Metallica, right? Come on. You could make it sound better -

[(37:48)] Flemming: Almost.
I'm going to try out. At least, its going to be out there somewhere.

[(37:57)] President Jonathan: Great. Welcome to the Navajo Nation.

[(37:59)] Flemming: Thank you. I'm enjoying it.

[(38:01)] President Jonathan: It's good to have you here, I know its a historic moment for us. Those of us that are into metal here at Navajo Nation. Now many people are into metal here in Navajo Nation. There are some that are peaking out and wanting to grow their hair long again. So you guys are helping the trend. Bring the trend back.
We had a great concert out here too.

[(38:30)] Flemming: Yeah . I heard about that. Saw some shots on Facebook.

[(38:34)] President Jonathan: Then we have another concert coming up in July. Another metal band, Edmund's Band. Metal concerts almost every few months.

[(38:50)] Flemming: There's a huge metal contingency, as lots of metal heads.

[(38:56)] President Jonathan: They're coming out like me. I used to cut my hair. Throw a little banging head thee. These guys got me out there. They're going to get me moshing and banging off the stage pretty soon.

[(39:14)] Jerald: He is trying to grow his hair too.

[(39:16)] Flemming: We got some good things coming for you.

[(39:18)] President Jonathan: I think I'm covered by workers comp, right? If I get hurt in a moss pit because I'm 24/7 working - [crosstalk]

[(39:33)] President Jonathan: This is a treaty that holds a lot of tears for our people, but the same time, that's just make sure you recognize the solemnity of our nation, our people.

[(39:47)] Flemming: Yeah. Exactly.

[(39:47)] Kyle: Remember what we talked about our elders, who didn't know how to write.

[(39:51)] FLemming: They sign their names with X's.

[(39:53)] Kyle: We actually have an album now. We have eight songs

[(40:01)]Flemming: We do the song in half an hour. That's really good.

[(40:07)] Kyle: It's actually been called, Genocide.

[(40:11)] President Jonathan: What's the-

[(40:1)] Kyle: I have an idea. Pretty much the lyrics. We will try to involve it with everyone around the world, that people, cultures have been through that.

[(40:29)] President Jonathan: Resilience is always there for native people. So strong strength, like for us, Navajo, we have a long walk. I don't know if you do.

[(40:38)] Flemming: Oh, yes. I've known about that.

[(40:39)] President Jonathan: When I go out and talk to young people about resilience and strength. I tell them, our people, our ancestors never gave up. So when you think about that. I tell this to the kids, I said, we shouldn't give up. Most importantly, we shouldn't give up on life. We have an epidemic of suicides of Union country. Navajo's no different, people are losing hope and giving up. You guys are the hope within our people. To see you guys out there, accomplishing what you guys love.

That inspires me as a [inaudible]. It's so cool to see you guys going out to Europe to be ambassadors for the nation. That is something. Some of our young children out there thinking about at this height. They want to jam out, they want to play some music.

[(41:33)] Kyle: I've wanted to learn guitar, just to learn Fade to Black. All the songs and it's just crazy. Pick up a guitar and now the dudes here, helping me record my guitar.

[(41:50)] Jerald: I was telling Kyle earlier today that, all those notes that he looked up on that album ,that made up wanted to contact Flemming. He's doing that for Kyle and I someday maybe one of these kids he's teaching here at the Museum. You're going to look up these notes that Flemming did for Kyle and maybe they'll want to try to pursue the same thing.

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[(42:43)] Flemming: Cool, that's pretty good in it. It suddenly I saw, huh.

[(42:54)] Kyle: All right, then the new one now.

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[(43:21)] Flemming: This is your grandma. Hi. Welcome back.

[(43:24)] Grandma: Hey, what's up?

[(43:31)] Woman Guest 1: This is a shirt. I don't know if you can sign this.

[(43:34)] Flemming: I can.

[[(43:36)] Woman: ninety-one, nine-two. I'm just so proud of my son that he didn't give up on his dream. I told him, just go back to work[(43:48)], just forget about it, but I'm glad he didn't listen to me.

[(43:52)] Jesse Felter: I'm excited, something new. It's awesome. With Metallica producer.

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[(44:29)] Jerald: This whole thing, I kind of said it best. I'd be pretty fucked up if we wake up and this is all a dream, be pissed. That's true.

[(44:41)] Radio DJ: And Brett, right?
What do you think?

[(44:45)] Brett: It's still unreal. It's kind of crazy. I joined the band 3 years ago. I didn't think this would ever happen. Just planning with Kyle was big enough for me. That's all I ever wanted to jam on stage. Playing with the band that plays with what they played. Being a pirate was awesome. My journey in the pimp isn't an interesting one. From Fan to Roadie to being a member now.

[(45:11)] Man 7: Used to do a lot with the lightning [inaudible]

[(45:23)] Flemming: I'm beginning to get a feel of what the impact is. They really did an impact. This album especially, we all knew that we were really doing something good. It was big smile. [crosstalk]

[(45:40)] Man 7: Just like when Ryan came out.

[(45:41)] Flemming: It was so easy. When things are going well, everything gets better and better and they sell more and more albums. It's smooth sailing. When you get to the top and have to stay there. That's why I'm very excited for them.

[(46:06)] Flemming: I'm guessing this is your mom.

[(46:06)] Woman Guest 2: Yes, this is my mom.

[(46:07)]Flemming: Very obvious.

[(46:12)] Woman Guest 2: I am very excited for them. They worked really hard. We are expecting our first child together due in August. So, they'll be back in time.

[(46:21)] Kyle: James Hetfield, Kirk Hammett, Dimebagl, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Randy Rhoads, Joe Satriani, pretty much anybody. You can tell a difference on someone who really believes what they play, compared to someone who just does it to do it.

[(46:38)] Flemming: I hope we really did a really kill album with some good songs. All the songs are good because we've been fine tuning them these last couple of days.
We're actually composing a little bit while rearranging. The reason why I do this is to be in an environment that makes them safe. When we start doing this stuff, because I come in and change a lot, demand a lot of stuff from them.

[(47:05)] Interviewer: One thing I want to ask you about is, the beginning part. It's layers and layers of the beginning phase. For all these years, I always thought it's the
Guitar- [crosstalk] How many tracks of bass was that?

[(47:21)] I can't remember. but probably between -
Apparently everybody knows [inaudible].

[(47:30)] Flemming: Very nice but also a bit scary. It makes me feel like I have a responsibility to deliver something really good for these people.

[(47:46)] Man 8: Thank you. Thank you very much.

[(47:48)] Flemming: You're welcome.

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[(47:59)] Flemming: No guarantee to success, but if you have a chance and you don't try, you'll probably regret it for your whole life.

[(48:27)] Jerald: I never been on an airplane. Only been to fucking California, the farthest.

[(48:34)] Man 1: That is cancer better living in the travel song. There'll be left ancient patterns tatted on the canyon walls. They prayed for many days and along came to great sons. The skin tone resembles the land from which they came from. Don't try to buy what they sell. You could tell us foolery. Serve yourself a helping melt the help it into jewelry. The way this truth is told you couldn't capture it in the movie. Nomadic travelers moving turning tragedies into beauty.

[music]

[(49:37)] Jerald: Nap time.

[(49:53)] Kyle: It was a hell of a trip. We made it yesterday. We've been sleeping in airports. Trying not to eat limited funds. Pretty much out. Flemming had to help us out with groceries.

[(50:05)] Kyle: Master takes for [inaudible] right here on the shelf and you'd think they'd be in a vault somewhere in a safety deposit box, but it's right there on the shelf, looking at it, touch it, smell it. It's crazy. It's places. Place is special.

[(50:28)] Flemming: This is officially now part of Navajo Nation. We have invaded Viking territory, its opposite now. The natives invading -

[(50:39)] Flemming: This is your headphone, amplifier, this is your overall level,
combined with this main level, if you hit that. I want to hear what they sound like.

[music]

[(50:56)] Flemming: You never know what happens when you enter the studio, but we're definitely going to try to get this thing to blast out the speakers.

[music]

There are a lot of mistakes in there. Is everybody, okay?
They just need to remember the song because we're going to do another take now. They have the same enthusiasm that everybody else that starts in the studio.
For the first-timers. Why not? It's very tiring because we have a lot of work to do. We can do a total on the ground album, which will sell in 2 copies, which is, Mom and Dad, but it would be nice to do something that has broader appeal. Tell America what's going on on The Reservations.

[(52:15)] Jerald: One of my biggest concerns about this band is the power that comes from their music that aggression. It's due to their experience playing live. It's good to have a professional sounding album, but due to that professionalism is taking a lot of that grit taking a lot of the the edge, the roughness, and their aggression from the sound. That's taking it a little bit away and these guys, they're used to being dirty there. They're used to being gritty. My concern is that, this stuff they're going to be really hard for them to adjust from that live raw sound to getting into a studio. Take by take by take.

The food is healthy and tastes awesome.
The water itself makes everything taste even better. All of this is helpful. This bread is actually healthy for you. It's good.

[(53:18)] Flemming: Essentials.

[(53:19)] Jerald: Fleming had to help us out with groceries and limited funds.

[(53:23)] Flemming: Come and have a listen.

[(53:28)] Kyle: This stuff, we're going to be auctioning off or maybe selling or [inaudible] To help us fund this whole trip.

[(53:37)] Women: Of course.

[(53:44)] Jerald: As hard as things are right now. Come next week, this band from The Reservation, they're going to be International Recording Artists and no one can ever take that away from them.

[music]

[(54:52)] Flemming: Just do a new one all he way from the beginning. I have the [inaudible], so don't worry about that. That's really good.

[music]

[(55:41)] Jerald: Metallica - Ride the Lightning, I think it took about months to record record ours in two weeks. It was a challenge, but we got it.

[music]

[(56:05)] Kyle: It's so clean here. You can tell the smell of people here. They live healthier, happier. I wish back home, United States cared as much about their people as they did here, which is my impression of Europe, so far. All these buildings are built in the 1500s, 1600s and they still look nice and well taken care of. Even the clouds here.

[(56:34)] Tourist: You look resemble, like family.

[(56:39)] Same tribe. Navajos.

[(56:44)] Tourist: You look so happy.
The music is your dream.

[(56:45)] Kyle: It's awesome here.
Yeah. We are living it now.

[(56:52)] Kyle: We had a fundraise back home to try and get here.

[(56:56)] Tourist: I'm trying make him [foreign word] I am from Africa, I was born in Burundi [foreign place]. I grew up in Tanzania. Thank you so much. Wish you all the best. So, how can I donate? I don't have anything cash. Can you receive this?

[(57:13)] Jerald: Anything else.

[(57:15)] Tourist: Nice and I wish you all.
Yeah, I hope you're gonna make it.

[music]

[(57:27)] Jerald: After we do this here, we still got to go home and got to go back to our jobs, to be able to make copies and cases of the CDs. As of right now, we're too broke to do that.

[(57:45)] Flemming:I know where they are from and what all this music is about now. Because I experienced it firsthand. It gave me another outlook on whether where they are coming from and what they are doing.
So, it made me understand them using a little bit of probably- It would be nice to get it released on. Even a minor label would be nice. Just to get the music out there for people to hear. It would be a shame if this was a big secret. In this business, there's absolutely no guarantees. So, we'll see. Hopefully we'll talk in a year. We'll just sit and smile, everybody. You never know.

[train sound]

[(59:11)] Kyle: A bus like that. Get my machete. What time are you guys going out?

[(59:21)] Man 8: Second band, whatever [inaudible]
But packaging, regional office.

[(59:49)] Kyle: Cousin, brother. Should have been jammed. We go asking for [inaudible] documentary. Now, It's for my cousin. He killed himself last year. He is a drummer too.

[(60:10)] Man 9: One fucking year. They hear this shit.
X-Men. Have a good show.

[truck sound]

[music]

[(61:32)] Man 1: This dreamlike sleep provide clean site, as we breathe in and see like MCs rewrite history with these mites. We fight the beast inside. Corrupt police who read rights to put us in dog kennels like felons with three strikes. Each night we dream life gets seem bright between flights. Rhyme schemes of hot beef, divine beings, who reach heights. There is really no justice. No peace. Just my piece of pipe, while the privilege live to think that everything seems nice Earth is not a test tube respect reigning life. At the Frontline is everywhere, protect sacred sites, water is life.

[music]

[(62:24)] Kylie: I think a lot more about song music now. In my head, I can sit at work 8 to ten hours a day. I don't have my band with me because I had to move to the city and work.
I'm so pissed off as ever, maybe more, but it's all the back burner. The aggression is there, but I just need a place to let it out.

[(63:05)] Flemming, [inaudible] studio, they did our album last summer in [foreign place] Denmark. He did Ride the Lightning, he did And Justice for All, he did Master of Puppets.

[(63:14)] Man 9: I hate you.

[laughter]

[(63:17)] Jerald: This guy is the guitarist of the band, His name is Kyle. I don't Konform.
Awesome. Do you want to buy one today?

[(63:29)] Man 9: We got enough for beer.

[music]

[(63:51)] Kyle: I understand the shit down to struggle. I always stay true to myself and my vision.

[(64:01)] Les Vesterling: Just just for the heck of it. If you look at bands, like the Sword, Morbid Angel, all these bands, Ghost, Creator, they would be so much bigger, if there wasn't so much supply.

Like I was saying earlier, there's three big metal Fest right now. There's so many bands that it's hard to break through and for the newer bands that can. But you've got to find the best thing probably to happen to you. Is to get picked up on somebody's tour. It could even-

[(64:36)] Kyle: Costs a lot of money, money wise because we had a chance to buy on a tour but they wanted 11 grand,10 grand.

[(64:44)] Les: That's bullcrap.
You know what? You should want to put someone on a tour because this fan might be something. That's how Metallica got discovered, like Van Halen

[(64:58)] Les: Van Halen and Sabbath everybody knows that story. But here's the thing, at the end of your days, may live to be a thousand. Your last breath, you'll know you gave your all. You gave your all. That was whole point of this. The CD was.

[(65:14)] Les: You gave your all. You didn't half-ass it. You overcame adversity as much as you could.

[music]

[(65:29)] Grandmother: What do you think about your grandson being in?

[(65:32)] Kyle: She doesn't really know like the aspect of what I'm doing in the music business. I try to keep her informed. I try to tell her that, It's okay. The music -

[(65:47)]Grandmother: Not okay.

[(65:50)] Man 10: She say not okay. You don't like music?

[(65:56)] Kyle: She's just worried.

[(65:58)] Grandmother: He's my grandson. I had two of them, Derrick and him. I raised both of them. Took them to [foreign place] and everywhere. I miss him very much.

[music]

[(66:27)] Kyle: Don't care whose here.
Do you want to use half [inaudible], it's up to you.

[(66:35)] Man 11: If anything goes wrong , it's Brett's fault.
It's always the drummer.

[music]

[(67:22)] President Jonathan: A lot of our people are saying our Navajo language is phasing out. As long as we teach our younger kids, to keep speaking the Navajo language. And understanding it, in that prospect and we got to keep listening to metal music in front of our young kids, so they can teach their kids and their kids, teach their kids. Metal is not going to die. We're going to keep it alive.

[music]

[(68:11)] Jerald: We went through a lot. It was like our our professional goal, we met. Whey travelled overseas to Denmark. We record with Grammy Award winner for Metallica, Rainbow Producer. It's like the Mariana Trench of our personal lives, we loose people so close to us and it sucks. Kyle lost is his cousin. I lost mine. Kyle's cousin, Ed. He was a really influential part of IDK when they first started. I will always remember what Kyle told me "we're supposed to go through this, we're supposed to feel tragedy, we're supposed to feel angry, we're supposed to feel frustrated" because that's where we are from, from Navajo Nation and we know, we felt that the album will definitely tell you that we felt it. We had no sponsors. we had nothing. We went there Rez boys, four guys on the reservation. We traveled overseas to go accord to Flemming Rasmussen. If that's not a major accomplishment, I don't know what is.

[(69:13)] Kyle: I Call Music [inaudible] I always call it that. We live in The Rez
We play in the whole fucking [inaudible], it's Rez metal.

[karaoke singing]

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