Profiles Reverend L.O. Taylor, a Baptist minister and inspired photographer…
Let the Church Say Amen!
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In the seminal film LET THE CHURCH SAY AMEN!, filmmaker St. Clair Bourne follows an African-American minister in training as he travels through the South. Filmed in Atlanta, the Mississippi delta, and Chicago, this narrative documentary looks at the Black church from within, and how it affects African-American life in both urban and rural America.
Hudson "Dusty" Barksdale is studying for the ministry in an Atlanta seminary and as part of his training, he journeys to different churches to evaluate which setting best appeals to him. In the rural Mississippi church, he meets an old country preacher whose sermons inspire the worshippers to "get the spirit" so they can endure the next week's labors. In Chicago, he observes a sophisticated minister and his frustrated congregation trying to cope with street kids from the surrounding housing projects and their activist-oriented leader. Finally, Dusty returns to Atlanta only to discover that the Black Muslims are challenging the validity of Christianity, claiming that the religion was used to enslave Africans in America.
Edited by Madeline Anderson, the acclaimed director of I AM SOMEBODY, LET THE CHURCH SAY AMEN! looks at segments of the African-American religious experience, but also explores the universal situation of a young man trying to find his role in life.
"Thoughtful and skillfully made. This documentary should be equally enlightening for those who do or don't belong to the church itself."—Nora Sayre, New York Times
Citation
Main credits
Bourne, St. Clair (film director)
Bourne, St. Clair (film producer)
Other credits
Camera, Doug Harris, Rufus Hinton, Leroy Lucas; music, Roberta Flack [and 3 others]; editor, Kathleen Collins.
Distributor subjects
African American Studies; American Studies; Christianity; ReligionKeywords
Mississippi; African American; African-American; church; video; "Let the Church Say Amen!"; Icarus Films; preacher; Christianity; black muslim;
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Let us move now to discuss
a foreign rhetorical element
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needed in our sermonizing for
delivering the word of God
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to desperately needy men
with effective healing power.
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Well.
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Namely, the proposition--
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Well, yeah.
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--of a sermon.
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Now, if you recall, we
open up our discussion
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on the introduction of
a sermon by declaring
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that the sermonic introduction
is not an essential element--
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Well.
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--of the sermon,
though it is most often
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a very important element.
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Well.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, 99 and 44/100ths of our sermonizing.
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Well, here at this
juncture, at this juncture
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of the proposition,
we want to open up
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our discussion of the
sermonic proposition
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in a similar judgmental way.
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That is by making a
homiletical judgment
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on the nature and significance
of the proposition
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in our sermonizing at the
outset of this discussion.
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Think of trying to
exist without a heart.
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That\'s what the proposition
is to the sermon,
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it\'s the very heart
of the sermon.
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Yes, sir.
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Without which no
sermon can even exist.
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All right.
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It is the germinal seed out
of which everything else
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in the sermon is produced.
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Yeah.
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Its been a fundamental,
all-important basic essential,
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without which no sermon was
ever made and that was made.
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Yeah.
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So whether we realize it or not
or whether we like it or not,
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this judgment is still true.
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Yeah.
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If you ain\'t got no
proposition, then you
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ain\'t got no sermon neither.
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Neither.
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Neither.
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[LAUGHS] All right.
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(SINGING) [? Oh, ?] Jesus
[? said ?] the [INAUDIBLE]..
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[MUSIC - ROBERTA FLACK &
DONNY HATHAWAY, \"MOOD\"]
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Well, I think the
problem, I think,
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that confronts us, as black
people, is that we are not--
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I don\'t think we are
able to really deal
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with the whole matter of
challenging the white man\'s
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concept of God, which, by
even his historical records,
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was designed and invented in
order to enslave black folks.
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And I see that guys who are
saying [INAUDIBLE] to renew
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the church, to overhaul the
church are not really dealing--
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Whoa, ho, ho, ho, but a lot
of people are basing their,
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you know, religion on the Bible.
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You [? can ?] do this,
look at the gospels.
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And then it\'s your
job as the minister
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to interpret the
gospels correctly
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so that you won\'t have to worry
about a kingdom on heaven.
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You can talk about the kingdom
here on Earth right now
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about living situations.
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You missed me, you missed me.
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I\'m not talking about
the kingdom of God
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and the kingdom of heaven
and the kingdom of Earth
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doesn\'t bother me.
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I\'m talking about a concrete,
authoritative institution
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in the black community that
operates under auspices of God,
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but in reality is
an institution that
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goes to perpetuate a select
group of clergymen who
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wield all the political
and economic power
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in the black community and drain
resourcefulness of the poor.
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Now, what I\'m saying
is, now, how do
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you propose to deal with that?
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If you were going to take
the pulpit of a man who
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has a church, how
are you gonna deal
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with that when these
same poor people are also
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gonna look at you,
you know, as a man
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that they ought to
support and look up to?
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We got to have them trays in.
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And in five minutes, they\'re
gonna turn off the water.
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I wonder if you could
please put the trays
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[? back before I split. ?]
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OK.
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Yeah, OK.
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All right.
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I know I want to be a minister.
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And I know I\'ve got to be black.
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Is there any good, is there
any use in, like, my getting up
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in the Church or my going
to ITC or my putting
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on a clerical collar?
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Does all this really matter?
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What do I believe?
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I believe black
people are oppressed.
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I believe that white
folks oppress black folks.
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And I know the church
is an institution.
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And you can say what you
want about black religion,
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but I\'m still gonna
be in an institution.
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So therefore, I\'m still kind
of working with white folks.
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[? Let\'s ?] slide, man.
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We gotta go to the
minister tomorrow, man.
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[? Yeah, that\'s across ?]
the street.
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Yeah, but that was a
really good work out, man.
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Yeah, it was for you.
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You were out the game
after about five minutes
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[? though. ?]
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[? It ain\'t a thing. ?]
You know me.
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Hello, is Regina there?
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May I speak to her?
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This is Dusty.
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Hey, how you doing?
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Nothing, uh-- well,
[? AC ?] and I
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went through the
community a little bit.
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And we talked to some people
about welfare rights and, uh--
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the NWRO.
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And we went up to
IBW for a seminar.
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\"History of the Black World.\"
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Yeah, it was nice.
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It was hip.
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Listen, we still going out?
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To [? Mine ?] Shaft.
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About 10:30 or 11:00.
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Yeah, I wanna go.
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What do you mean?
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Of course I want to go.
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Yeah, well, you know, you
don\'t have to dress up.
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Just look-- just look
good, that\'s all.
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Yeah, OK.
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You still going?
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OK, I\'ll pick you up
about 10:30 or 11:00.
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OK.
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Bye-bye.
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[FUNK MUSIC PLAYING]
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(SINGING) Give me your lovin\'.
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And feel no pain or sorrow.
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[INAUDIBLE] is all
you\'re missin\'.
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If you feel what I feel.
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Whew!
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Got a good thing, good thing.
[? Good ?] thing today.
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[? Good ?] thing tomorrow.
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If you give me your lovin\', you
won\'t feel no pain or sorrow.
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[INAUDIBLE]
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If you feel what I feel, it\'s
a good, it\'s a good thing.
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Right about now,
ladies and gentlemen,
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we\'d like for you to give
out a nice round of applause
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[INAUDIBLE] young lady
that are singing for you.
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How about a nice
round of applause
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for Liz Spraggins, ladies
and gentlemen, Liz Spraggins.
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(SINGING) A chair is
still a chair even when
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there\'s no one sitting there.
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But oh, oh, a chair
is not a house.
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And a house is not a home.
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When there\'s no one there.
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to hold you tight and no one
there you can kiss goodnight.
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A room is still a room
even when there\'s nothing
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there but gloom.
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But oh, oh, a room
is not a house
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and a house is not a home when
the two of us are far apart
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and one of us has
a broken heart.
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Now and then, I call your name.
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And suddenly, your face appears.
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Oh, only our Lord and he
alone, he proved a con,
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a constant friend.
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Oh, through sorrow,
through trials, oh, he\'ll
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go with you, yeah, to
the very, the very end.
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Only our [? Lord. ?] Oh,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Only our Lord.
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You\'re saying one thing, but
you\'re acting in the opposite.
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But I have to do
what I believe in.
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And I guess it\'s kind of--
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it\'s kind of a
shock value thing,
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about a minister going out.
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Because to prove to people that
God and religion and holiness
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and Christ can be found
in places other than,
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especially in places other
than the pulpit and the pew,
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that there\'s nothing
wrong with going out.
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But rather judge a man on
the basis of who he is.
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OK, I agree with that 100%.
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But, you know, people
are set in their ways.
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And they do not like changes.
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And it\'s going to be
very hard, extremely
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difficult to get them to come
over to your way of thinking.
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[INAUDIBLE] want
them to come over
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to my way of
thinking in the sense
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that I\'m trying to convince
them that everybody should go
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to a nightclub, but rather
to convince them that there\'s
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nothing wrong with it.
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When you start messing
with people souls,
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you have to step
very delicately.
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How you doing, [? boss man? ?]
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Good.
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How are you [INAUDIBLE]?
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I\'m OK.
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Why don\'t you have
a seat right here.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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I wanted to talk to you about
the whole matter of field
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internships, what exactly
is involved in them
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and what I have to do, the
openings, things like that.
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As you think about
your ministry,
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what kind of setting of a church
would you be interested in?
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I\'m really not that
concerned about denomination,
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but I realized I have to
take that into account.
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But I think I\'d
like, I guess what
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people call a ghetto church.
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Although, it\'s not
an either/or thing.
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I am at this point open to
any, but my first preference
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would be a ghetto church.
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Yeah, well, I would,
I think, you know,
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we have many more
opportunities to place students
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during the summer.
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So we should be able to
find anything that you--
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well, any area of
the country that you
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might be interested in going to.
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Had you thought about
Midwest or east or west?
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Or what about something south?
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As you talk about
the city church,
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one of the things
that strikes me
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is that many of our students
in their development
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do not give any thought to
the possibility of working
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in small towns and rural church.
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That the kind of need for
ministry is just tremendously
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great in areas where
many of the men
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are not willing to go now and
provide ministry to people.
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I have a friend, for example,
over in a small Mississippi
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town that you might want to
look at as a possibility.
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And if you could,
maybe even get a chance
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to run over one weekend, I\'d
like you to work that out
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so you could just
get an opportunity.
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Because you have seen a good
bit of city church ministry.
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If you could get an
opportunity to look
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at another dimension
of ministry,
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I think it would give
you a clearer overview
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and may even open up
some new options to you.
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Mrs. Lawrence?
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Yes.
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Would you try to
see if you can get
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Earl Lucas in Mound Bayou,
Mississippi on a long distance
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line for me please?
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Hello, Earl?
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Who is this, man?
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[? Mance, ?] Mance
[? Gladdock. ?]
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What can I do for you, man?
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Listen, I had a student
in earlier today
00:16:29.252 --> 00:16:33.640
who is interested in spending
a summer in the ministry.
00:16:33.640 --> 00:16:37.530
I tried to get him to give some
consideration to a small town,
00:16:37.530 --> 00:16:42.870
rural church kind of
situation and was wondering
00:16:42.870 --> 00:16:47.010
if it might be possible
for you to show him
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around some of the
churches down in your area,
00:16:50.650 --> 00:16:52.840
if he was down there
for a couple of days?
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Oh, I\'d be glad to do that, man.
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[MUSIC - BB KING, \"MIDNIGHT\"]
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[INAUDIBLE]
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Right.
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What\'s the history of the town?
00:19:14.140 --> 00:19:15.394
How did it get started?
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How did it become
an all black town?
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Well, this town
was founded in 1887
00:19:21.886 --> 00:19:25.720
by ex-slaves and Jeff Davis.
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The land was purchased
from [INAUDIBLE]..
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Frankly, [? wilderness ?]
in this area.
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It was a group of
settlers from--
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who was free during
that time settling
00:19:38.150 --> 00:19:41.330
along what is
known as the bayou.
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And on the side was something
looked like a mound.
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And it probably was
an Indian mound.
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And they call it Mound Bayou.
00:19:46.910 --> 00:19:50.480
00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:53.360
The First Baptist Church was
probably the first church
00:19:53.360 --> 00:19:57.100
we built in here
along with Bethel A&ME
00:19:57.100 --> 00:20:00.080
those are two of the oldest
churches in this community.
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And Bethel A&ME was associated
with the college, which
00:20:03.340 --> 00:20:05.130
is called Campbell College.
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And that\'s one of our
objectives at this time,
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is to try to get back
into this community
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some institution
of higher learning.
00:20:11.470 --> 00:20:14.930
00:20:14.930 --> 00:20:17.930
We have a great respect
here for ministers.
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And I guess this has something
to do that relates back
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to slavery time, you know?
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Black people, in general,
are very religious.
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And this was probably
the only outlet
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that they were allowed to do
during the time of slavery.
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And that\'s still a carry
over in black people.
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00:20:37.320 --> 00:20:39.740
Do you have anything
like, you know,
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I guess you\'d call it
black history stuff?
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I know this is black
history, but, I mean,
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you know, an organized
thing like that.
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No, not really.
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And I guess the real reason that
they don\'t respond in the way
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that you respond is because,
heck, everything is black.
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We\'ve always known
it to be that way.
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Yeah.
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[CONGREGATION SINGING]
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Our subject today, don\'t
[? sell ?] your brother.
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It\'s bad to want to
kill your brother.
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Yeah!
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That\'s right.
00:22:35.051 --> 00:22:37.608
It\'s low down to want
to kill your brother.
00:22:37.608 --> 00:22:38.400
Yeah, that\'s right.
00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:42.440
Right now, when you go and
let\'s get that much [INAUDIBLE]
00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:46.130
in your heart that you want
to do away with your brother.
00:22:46.130 --> 00:22:48.510
You so wrong.
00:22:48.510 --> 00:22:52.195
And now, when they saw
their brother coming,
00:22:52.195 --> 00:22:56.450
they said the best
thing, ah, we can do,
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I said, I\'ll tell
you a good plan.
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Let\'s get his
garment off his back,
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and let\'s kill a wild beast.
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Preach!
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Preach!
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Lord, Lord, help me today.
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Preach!
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Come on!
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Come on!
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Now, now, he said if we
kill this wild beast,
00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:21.237
let\'s take his coat
and dip it in blood.
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You preachin\'!
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You preachin\'!
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Now, now, ha, let\'s carry
it back home to our father.
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Yeah!
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Oh, yeah.
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And tell our father that Joseph
got destroyed by wild beasts.
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Yeah!
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(SINGING) OH, yeah.
00:23:36.896 --> 00:23:39.190
Oh, Lord, y\'all listenin\' at me?
00:23:39.190 --> 00:23:40.350
Yes!
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He give \'em some money and
told \'em to go on down in
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[? Egypt, ?] [INAUDIBLE].
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And I saw the younger brother,
old man Jacob [INAUDIBLE]..
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He wouldn\'t let him go.
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[INAUDIBLE] him at home.
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Yeah.
00:24:00.550 --> 00:24:03.586
And the other
brother went on down.
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(SINGING) Lord,
have mercy, Lord.
00:24:07.978 --> 00:24:11.040
00:24:11.040 --> 00:24:12.470
I can get all the money.
00:24:12.470 --> 00:24:13.095
Yeah.
00:24:13.095 --> 00:24:15.935
And look how I untie the bag.
00:24:15.935 --> 00:24:17.613
And get that money
out [INAUDIBLE]..
00:24:17.613 --> 00:24:20.480
(SINGING) Oh, yeah.
00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:23.600
He said to them,
what\'s y\'all mean, boy?
00:24:23.600 --> 00:24:26.165
What is this y\'all done?
00:24:26.165 --> 00:24:27.695
I know I give it to him.
00:24:27.695 --> 00:24:28.195
Yeah.
00:24:28.195 --> 00:24:28.737
That\'s right.
00:24:28.737 --> 00:24:30.540
But I don\'t know how
it get back in there.
00:24:30.540 --> 00:24:31.040
Yeah.
00:24:31.040 --> 00:24:31.772
I know!
00:24:31.772 --> 00:24:34.688
(SINGING) I know.
00:24:34.688 --> 00:24:39.142
In the valley, I don\'t
know what happened.
00:24:39.142 --> 00:24:42.074
[INAUDIBLE]
00:24:42.074 --> 00:24:46.942
I heard Joseph saying, I\'m
gonna give you some more money.
00:24:46.942 --> 00:24:50.580
And you go back down there
and buy some more [? corn. ?]
00:24:50.580 --> 00:24:51.080
Yeah.
00:24:51.080 --> 00:24:55.149
He went on back down
there the second time.
00:24:55.149 --> 00:24:56.135
You preachin\'!
00:24:56.135 --> 00:24:57.614
You preachin\'!
00:24:57.614 --> 00:25:00.060
He went on back down to
[? the golden ?] [? pile, ?]
00:25:00.060 --> 00:25:01.525
filled the bag again.
00:25:01.525 --> 00:25:02.025
Yeah.
00:25:02.025 --> 00:25:04.935
He put the money back
in the top of the bag.
00:25:04.935 --> 00:25:07.380
And he went on back home.
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Lord, help me.
00:25:09.422 --> 00:25:10.906
[INAUDIBLE]
00:25:10.906 --> 00:25:11.406
All right.
00:25:11.406 --> 00:25:11.906
Yeah!
00:25:11.906 --> 00:25:13.886
[INAUDIBLE]
00:25:13.886 --> 00:25:15.374
Yeah!
00:25:15.374 --> 00:25:19.838
Ah, ha, ah!
00:25:19.838 --> 00:25:20.830
(SINGING) Yeah.
00:25:20.830 --> 00:25:23.806
00:25:23.806 --> 00:25:27.774
[VOCALIZING]
00:25:27.774 --> 00:25:34.222
00:25:34.222 --> 00:25:38.450
Somebody said, [INAUDIBLE].
00:25:38.450 --> 00:25:44.842
Ha, y\'all in my [? head. ?]
Somebody [INAUDIBLE]..
00:25:44.842 --> 00:25:50.818
00:25:50.818 --> 00:25:52.320
Oh!
00:25:52.320 --> 00:25:56.109
[INAUDIBLE]
00:25:56.109 --> 00:26:02.621
00:26:02.621 --> 00:26:06.597
[SCREAMING]
00:26:06.597 --> 00:26:10.386
[INAUDIBLE]
00:26:10.386 --> 00:26:13.390
00:26:13.390 --> 00:26:18.146
Wake me in the darkest
hour of the night.
00:26:18.146 --> 00:26:21.618
[SINGING]
00:26:21.618 --> 00:26:25.586
[INAUDIBLE]
00:26:25.586 --> 00:26:56.380
00:26:56.380 --> 00:26:57.150
Our Father.
00:26:57.150 --> 00:26:58.680
Our Father.
00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:04.320
Which art in heaven, it is
once more and again that
00:27:04.320 --> 00:27:09.570
our [INAUDIBLE] [? servant ?]
[INAUDIBLE] thankful
00:27:09.570 --> 00:27:12.553
for the blessing that
thou throw upon us,
00:27:12.553 --> 00:27:14.845
for [? allowing ?] us your
goodness and your mercy that
00:27:14.845 --> 00:27:16.012
have kept us saved this far.
00:27:16.012 --> 00:27:18.460
(SINGING) Oh, Lord.
00:27:18.460 --> 00:27:21.530
Look on the
[INAUDIBLE] here today.
00:27:21.530 --> 00:27:24.880
Bind us together in a
[? band ?] of preaching love.
00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:27.210
[INAUDIBLE]
00:27:27.210 --> 00:27:29.200
Whoa, Lord.
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:32.310
You know what we need down here.
00:27:32.310 --> 00:27:35.244
You know what we need, father.
00:27:35.244 --> 00:27:38.090
[INAUDIBLE] to thou will.
00:27:38.090 --> 00:27:40.240
[INAUDIBLE]
00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:42.560
Whoa, Lord.
00:27:42.560 --> 00:27:45.302
[INAUDIBLE] home, Father.
00:27:45.302 --> 00:27:47.872
Bless our home today.
00:27:47.872 --> 00:27:49.760
[INAUDIBLE]
00:27:49.760 --> 00:27:52.445
We need you every
day of our life.
00:27:52.445 --> 00:27:55.730
We need you every
hour in the day.
00:27:55.730 --> 00:27:58.766
We need you every
minute, now, Father.
00:27:58.766 --> 00:28:00.919
Listen, heavenly Father.
00:28:00.919 --> 00:28:02.891
Oh, Lord.
00:28:02.891 --> 00:28:05.849
We need you in our homes.
00:28:05.849 --> 00:28:08.807
We need you in our
community, Father.
00:28:08.807 --> 00:28:12.162
We need you in our town, father.
00:28:12.162 --> 00:28:18.410
Please, oh, heavenly Father,
Oh, Lord, I know you can.
00:28:18.410 --> 00:28:20.640
I believe you will.
00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:22.600
[INAUDIBLE]
00:28:22.600 --> 00:28:24.300
Oh, Lord.
00:28:24.300 --> 00:28:26.220
We\'re calling you today.
00:28:26.220 --> 00:28:29.580
We\'re calling you today, Father.
00:28:29.580 --> 00:28:35.111
[SCREAMING]
00:28:35.111 --> 00:28:39.048
(SINGING) Oh, Lord.
00:28:39.048 --> 00:28:39.548
[SCREAMS]
00:28:39.548 --> 00:28:44.478
(SINGING) Got to walk away
from a bad [INAUDIBLE]..
00:28:44.478 --> 00:28:45.464
Oh!
00:28:45.464 --> 00:28:46.943
[INAUDIBLE]
00:28:46.943 --> 00:28:49.901
[SCREAMING]
00:28:49.901 --> 00:28:51.873
00:28:51.873 --> 00:28:56.310
[INAUDIBLE]
00:28:56.310 --> 00:29:01.130
00:29:01.130 --> 00:29:07.010
[SCREAMING]
00:29:07.010 --> 00:29:11.910
00:29:11.910 --> 00:29:16.560
This road here, I
live and I was raised.
00:29:16.560 --> 00:29:19.160
Where you see the-- [? only ?]
that\'s a [? boat ?] down there,
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:20.970
where you see that green tree.
00:29:20.970 --> 00:29:22.770
[INAUDIBLE]
00:29:22.770 --> 00:29:25.380
That\'s where I grew up as a man.
00:29:25.380 --> 00:29:28.800
And I come into
knowledge of my calling
00:29:28.800 --> 00:29:35.160
as a minister going down
this road home one day.
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:37.920
I was a young minister.
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:40.140
And I began preaching.
00:29:40.140 --> 00:29:44.510
I preached 11 months.
00:29:44.510 --> 00:29:51.990
And I was called to this
church here, my first church.
00:29:51.990 --> 00:29:57.120
I\'m kind of wondering
about my first call.
00:29:57.120 --> 00:30:00.690
OK, I\'m going to
school in Atlanta.
00:30:00.690 --> 00:30:03.520
And it\'s a big city.
00:30:03.520 --> 00:30:08.820
And like, it seems sometimes
that people kind of
00:30:08.820 --> 00:30:13.110
don\'t have time for religion.
00:30:13.110 --> 00:30:19.080
Well, [INAUDIBLE] here,
churches and religion and God
00:30:19.080 --> 00:30:22.930
is not just something
that you do on Sundays.
00:30:22.930 --> 00:30:25.060
It\'s something that you live.
00:30:25.060 --> 00:30:27.330
It\'s a everyday
thing, young man.
00:30:27.330 --> 00:30:30.180
00:30:30.180 --> 00:30:37.530
Today we come to the church
house to worship God in spirit
00:30:37.530 --> 00:30:39.900
and in truth.
00:30:39.900 --> 00:30:46.710
Tomorrow the next day and
the next day and every day
00:30:46.710 --> 00:30:54.120
this week, we serve God by
the way we treat one another.
00:30:54.120 --> 00:30:56.880
Everything that you read in
the Bible, why, it say you
00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:59.870
must be born again.
00:30:59.870 --> 00:31:05.100
Now, that born again business
is something like this.
00:31:05.100 --> 00:31:10.020
Anything that\'s born has
to first be forgotten.
00:31:10.020 --> 00:31:13.400
You\'ve forgotten first
about God\'s word.
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:17.340
And then you are born
by the Holy Spirit.
00:31:17.340 --> 00:31:20.550
Then you come in the
works of the Lord.
00:31:20.550 --> 00:31:23.730
You learn, you grow to love God.
00:31:23.730 --> 00:31:26.280
And as you grow to
love God and then
00:31:26.280 --> 00:31:30.930
God lay something
on your heart to do.
00:31:30.930 --> 00:31:34.950
He don\'t speak to
you like I\'m talking.
00:31:34.950 --> 00:31:37.000
But he just lay
it on your heart.
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:40.290
He just lay it on
there daily until you
00:31:40.290 --> 00:31:45.290
come into full knowledge of
what he mean for you to do.
00:31:45.290 --> 00:31:48.210
If you are sure of
a calling, don\'t
00:31:48.210 --> 00:31:53.130
let nobody turn you
around because if God
00:31:53.130 --> 00:31:59.190
had anointed you to preach
the gospel, you must preach.
00:31:59.190 --> 00:32:04.410
And don\'t let nobody tell
you that there is not a God.
00:32:04.410 --> 00:32:08.310
Because there is a
true and a living God.
00:32:08.310 --> 00:32:10.820
00:32:10.820 --> 00:32:12.990
That\'s real.
00:32:12.990 --> 00:32:16.090
You don\'t have to have
no doubt in your mind.
00:32:16.090 --> 00:32:20.610
Of course, we have a lot of
[INAUDIBLE] telling people
00:32:20.610 --> 00:32:22.306
that God is dead.
00:32:22.306 --> 00:32:26.340
But young man, I\'m here to
tell you, that\'s not true.
00:32:26.340 --> 00:32:28.980
God is living.
00:32:28.980 --> 00:32:31.560
And he will live forever.
00:32:31.560 --> 00:32:33.020
I believe that, I really do.
00:32:33.020 --> 00:32:34.117
You do?
00:32:34.117 --> 00:32:34.950
I really believe it.
00:32:34.950 --> 00:32:39.060
If you believe that and
sure of your calling,
00:32:39.060 --> 00:32:41.021
you will be a preacher.
00:32:41.021 --> 00:32:42.342
I certainly hope so.
00:32:42.342 --> 00:32:45.120
00:32:45.120 --> 00:32:47.800
You will notice in the bulletin
a brief statement in regard
00:32:47.800 --> 00:32:52.180
to Mr. Hudson Barksdale.
00:32:52.180 --> 00:32:55.982
He\'s a native of
Spartanburg, South Carolina.
00:32:55.982 --> 00:33:02.710
But he now is a student in the
Interdenominational Theological
00:33:02.710 --> 00:33:04.070
Center in Atlanta.
00:33:04.070 --> 00:33:09.850
He took his undergraduate work
at Johnson C. Smith University
00:33:09.850 --> 00:33:13.270
in Charlotte, isn\'t it?
00:33:13.270 --> 00:33:15.460
In Charlotte, North Carolina.
00:33:15.460 --> 00:33:18.190
[INAUDIBLE] being involved
in a number of things
00:33:18.190 --> 00:33:22.630
here in the parish coming
to know what\'s going on here
00:33:22.630 --> 00:33:25.000
in the church and the
parish, in the community,
00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:26.650
in the larger community.
00:33:26.650 --> 00:33:28.990
Now, if there are no
other visitors here,
00:33:28.990 --> 00:33:34.510
we want now to prepare ourselves
for the spoken word of God.
00:33:34.510 --> 00:33:40.740
May we stand and
affirm the faith that
00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:42.980
is ours as the people of God.
00:33:42.980 --> 00:33:46.290
00:33:46.290 --> 00:33:47.920
Where the spirit of
the Lord is, that
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:50.840
is the one true church,
epistolic and universal, whose
00:33:50.840 --> 00:33:54.070
holy faith let us now declare.
00:33:54.070 --> 00:33:58.010
We believe in God the
father, infinite wisdom,
00:33:58.010 --> 00:34:02.410
power and love, who is
merciful in all of his works
00:34:02.410 --> 00:34:06.290
and whose will is ever-directed
to his children\'s good.
00:34:06.290 --> 00:34:11.199
We believe in Jesus Christ,
son of God and the son of man,
00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:14.560
the gift of the father\'s
unfailing grace,
00:34:14.560 --> 00:34:16.670
the [? ground ?] of our
[? hope, ?] and promise
00:34:16.670 --> 00:34:19.810
of our deliverance
from sin and death.
00:34:19.810 --> 00:34:24.920
We believe in the Holy Spirit as
a divine presence in our lives.
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:27.449
Whereby, we are kept in
perpetual remembrance
00:34:27.449 --> 00:34:31.330
of the truth of Christ
by his strength and help
00:34:31.330 --> 00:34:33.250
in times of need.
00:34:33.250 --> 00:34:36.580
We believe that this faith
should manifest itself
00:34:36.580 --> 00:34:39.280
in the service of
love as is set forth
00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:42.190
in the example of
our [INAUDIBLE] Lord.
00:34:42.190 --> 00:34:46.460
To the end of the Kingdom of
God may come upon the Earth.
00:34:46.460 --> 00:34:46.960
Amen.
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:53.457
00:34:53.457 --> 00:34:57.948
[CONGREGATION SINGING]
00:34:57.948 --> 00:35:59.824
00:35:59.824 --> 00:36:02.450
I just can\'t believe you got
the old subway is only a quarter
00:36:02.450 --> 00:36:03.469
block away.
00:36:03.469 --> 00:36:04.677
Hello there, Mr. [INAUDIBLE].
00:36:04.677 --> 00:36:05.810
[INAUDIBLE]
00:36:05.810 --> 00:36:06.650
All right.
00:36:06.650 --> 00:36:07.410
[INAUDIBLE], how you doing?
00:36:07.410 --> 00:36:07.558
I\'m fine.
00:36:07.558 --> 00:36:07.780
How are you?
00:36:07.780 --> 00:36:09.113
Mr. Barksdale here, Mrs. Kotter.
00:36:09.113 --> 00:36:12.577
Yes, well, you know,
I forgot his name.
00:36:12.577 --> 00:36:13.410
You forgot his name?
00:36:13.410 --> 00:36:14.010
Yeah.
00:36:14.010 --> 00:36:15.440
But you saw him Sunday there?
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:16.470
Yeah, I saw him Sunday.
00:36:16.470 --> 00:36:17.440
But I forgot his name.
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:18.090
[INAUDIBLE]
00:36:18.090 --> 00:36:18.940
Yeah.
00:36:18.940 --> 00:36:19.570
How you doing?
00:36:19.570 --> 00:36:20.296
That\'s Mr. Barksdale.
00:36:20.296 --> 00:36:20.796
Fine.
00:36:20.796 --> 00:36:21.912
How you doing?
00:36:21.912 --> 00:36:26.574
[INAUDIBLE]
00:36:26.574 --> 00:36:28.250
Yeah, it\'s kind of warm.
00:36:28.250 --> 00:36:29.440
I\'ll just take my coat off.
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:29.982
Give me that.
00:36:29.982 --> 00:36:30.580
Let me get it.
00:36:30.580 --> 00:36:31.800
Oh, that\'s all right.
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:32.670
It\'ll stay there.
00:36:32.670 --> 00:36:33.410
[INAUDIBLE]
00:36:33.410 --> 00:36:34.410
For anyone to sit there?
00:36:34.410 --> 00:36:34.850
Yeah.
00:36:34.850 --> 00:36:36.392
All right, you put
it somewhere else.
00:36:36.392 --> 00:36:37.181
Be careful.
00:36:37.181 --> 00:36:40.340
[INAUDIBLE]
00:36:40.340 --> 00:36:41.770
[INAUDIBLE] home.
00:36:41.770 --> 00:36:47.440
We have a wonderful set
up there, at the church.
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:50.430
Thing about it, we
just need some--
00:36:50.430 --> 00:36:50.990
[INAUDIBLE]
00:36:50.990 --> 00:36:56.250
Well, I think we could use some
more volunteer work, workers.
00:36:56.250 --> 00:36:57.400
You know?
00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:03.700
That\'s always a problem, getting
people to volunteer and come in
00:37:03.700 --> 00:37:04.480
and to work.
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:09.290
Now, the people that
would been too old.
00:37:09.290 --> 00:37:10.343
Except nobody too old.
00:37:10.343 --> 00:37:11.950
You\'re never too old.
00:37:11.950 --> 00:37:12.700
You never too old.
00:37:12.700 --> 00:37:13.492
Volunteer for what?
00:37:13.492 --> 00:37:15.720
Volunteer to help
down at the church.
00:37:15.720 --> 00:37:17.950
Well, what do you think about--
00:37:17.950 --> 00:37:22.420
what do you think about
[INAUDIBLE] and his entire way
00:37:22.420 --> 00:37:25.890
of handling the teenagers?
00:37:25.890 --> 00:37:27.640
[INAUDIBLE]
00:37:27.640 --> 00:37:36.480
Well, I don\'t know, to
be very frank with you.
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:40.240
Because I haven\'t been
down there too much.
00:37:40.240 --> 00:37:41.650
You know, haven\'t been around.
00:37:41.650 --> 00:37:43.403
And I can\'t say much about it.
00:37:43.403 --> 00:37:45.070
Do you think he is
the right man for it?
00:37:45.070 --> 00:37:47.630
Do we have a religious
background on him?
00:37:47.630 --> 00:37:49.350
Religious background?
00:37:49.350 --> 00:37:51.390
He has his own beliefs.
00:37:51.390 --> 00:37:52.860
Well, he grew up as a Catholic.
00:37:52.860 --> 00:37:53.380
[INAUDIBLE]
00:37:53.380 --> 00:37:54.685
Down there at St. Dominic\'s.
00:37:54.685 --> 00:37:56.200
That\'s where his
family belonged,
00:37:56.200 --> 00:37:58.065
he belonged at one time.
00:37:58.065 --> 00:38:01.380
But he does not consider
himself a Roman Catholic now.
00:38:01.380 --> 00:38:02.150
No.
00:38:02.150 --> 00:38:02.865
No, uh-uh.
00:38:02.865 --> 00:38:05.004
But that\'s his
religious background.
00:38:05.004 --> 00:38:05.950
[INAUDIBLE]
00:38:05.950 --> 00:38:07.400
Yeah, uh-huh.
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:09.310
But he considers himself
religious, though.
00:38:09.310 --> 00:38:10.610
He does?
00:38:10.610 --> 00:38:11.830
Yeah, he\'s very religious.
00:38:11.830 --> 00:38:13.192
He has adopted his own religion.
00:38:13.192 --> 00:38:13.900
His own religion.
00:38:13.900 --> 00:38:15.140
I understand.
00:38:15.140 --> 00:38:17.920
OK, now if anybody can
relate to teenagers,
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:19.210
it should be [? Harold. ?]
00:38:19.210 --> 00:38:20.805
Let me tell everybody
the problem.
00:38:20.805 --> 00:38:22.180
Because I want
everybody\'s input.
00:38:22.180 --> 00:38:23.760
Why would a cat do that?
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:28.360
All right, there was a brother
who lived out in the \'80s,
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:31.540
I think, it was
85th to be exact.
00:38:31.540 --> 00:38:36.040
Had a late model
car, moved downtown.
00:38:36.040 --> 00:38:39.100
He went downtown yesterday
evening, last night very late,
00:38:39.100 --> 00:38:42.160
parked his car around on Wabash.
00:38:42.160 --> 00:38:46.531
Walked around State Street
poured gas all over his self
00:38:46.531 --> 00:38:48.335
and stuck a match to his self.
00:38:48.335 --> 00:38:49.580
Huh?
00:38:49.580 --> 00:38:50.770
How do you feel about it?
00:38:50.770 --> 00:38:52.522
Would you say he\'s a damn fool?
00:38:52.522 --> 00:38:54.230
I mean, what would
you say about the cat?
00:38:54.230 --> 00:38:57.915
What was his program
from your observations?
00:38:57.915 --> 00:38:59.962
Well, see-- [LAUGHS] I
don\'t really know, man.
00:38:59.962 --> 00:39:00.795
I don\'t really know.
00:39:00.795 --> 00:39:02.160
You know--
00:39:02.160 --> 00:39:03.830
Well, now that I\'m
aware of the fact
00:39:03.830 --> 00:39:06.730
that he was black, which I was
not before, I\'m really shocked.
00:39:06.730 --> 00:39:08.030
Well, it got through.
00:39:08.030 --> 00:39:11.140
Well, so he was black, he
was blacker than he was.
00:39:11.140 --> 00:39:13.155
I mean, but now that I am--
00:39:13.155 --> 00:39:14.670
[LAUGHING]
00:39:14.670 --> 00:39:16.450
00:39:16.450 --> 00:39:19.710
I mean, now that I\'m aware of
the fact that he was black,
00:39:19.710 --> 00:39:21.450
I\'m rather shocked.
00:39:21.450 --> 00:39:23.060
See, because there
was a time you
00:39:23.060 --> 00:39:25.060
would very rarely hear
of a black person killing
00:39:25.060 --> 00:39:25.593
themselves.
00:39:25.593 --> 00:39:27.760
I mean, whites, they been
running around jumping out
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:28.750
of windows for years.
00:39:28.750 --> 00:39:31.420
They used to say that niggas
was scared to kill themselves.
00:39:31.420 --> 00:39:34.460
They wait for a
white man to do it.
00:39:34.460 --> 00:39:38.140
Living is more-- it would be
like I\'d be obtaining wisdom
00:39:38.140 --> 00:39:39.250
as I lived.
00:39:39.250 --> 00:39:40.830
So you think that\'s a cop out?
00:39:40.830 --> 00:39:41.515
Yes.
00:39:41.515 --> 00:39:43.365
Who agree or disagree
with this cat?
00:39:43.365 --> 00:39:45.518
Is death a cop out?
00:39:45.518 --> 00:39:47.310
Now, y\'all might wanna
change [INAUDIBLE]..
00:39:47.310 --> 00:39:48.483
No, no.
00:39:48.483 --> 00:39:49.900
You know, it\'s
only a cop out when
00:39:49.900 --> 00:39:52.462
you [INAUDIBLE] to the
point that, you know,
00:39:52.462 --> 00:39:53.420
you can\'t deal with it.
00:39:53.420 --> 00:39:56.270
You\'re saying death with
a purpose is all right.
00:39:56.270 --> 00:39:56.770
Yeah.
00:39:56.770 --> 00:39:58.950
You\'re saying death
is no good any kind
00:39:58.950 --> 00:40:02.340
of way you get it, right?
00:40:02.340 --> 00:40:04.930
So you expect to get
out of life alive?
00:40:04.930 --> 00:40:06.410
I mean, wait a minute.
00:40:06.410 --> 00:40:07.661
You using words on me, man
00:40:07.661 --> 00:40:09.465
[LAUGHING]
00:40:09.465 --> 00:40:11.300
I was just talking
about where we at.
00:40:11.300 --> 00:40:13.480
You know, do we all know
exactly what death is
00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:15.020
and how we deal with it?
00:40:15.020 --> 00:40:15.970
No.
00:40:15.970 --> 00:40:18.280
People who use death
as a cop out, I mean,
00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:21.060
use death to bring
a purpose across,
00:40:21.060 --> 00:40:22.310
I don\'t think that\'s any good.
00:40:22.310 --> 00:40:25.540
I think that\'s a
cop out, you know?
00:40:25.540 --> 00:40:29.085
You know, as long as they
try during that life time,
00:40:29.085 --> 00:40:33.090
as long as they\'re trying,
they can, you know, deal.
00:40:33.090 --> 00:40:35.420
OK, question, was
Malcolm a cop out?
00:40:35.420 --> 00:40:39.556
00:40:39.556 --> 00:40:40.620
Explain.
00:40:40.620 --> 00:40:42.662
Malcolm was assassinated, man.
00:40:42.662 --> 00:40:44.670
Hey, but, like, what made
him get assassinated?
00:40:44.670 --> 00:40:45.990
His views.
00:40:45.990 --> 00:40:50.260
I\'m asking you this,
was that a cop out?
00:40:50.260 --> 00:40:51.430
No, it wasn\'t a cop out.
00:40:51.430 --> 00:40:51.880
It wasn\'t a cop out.
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:53.240
Couldn\'t have been a cop out.
00:40:53.240 --> 00:40:54.500
I mean, that\'s what
this man believed.
00:40:54.500 --> 00:40:55.240
It was a cop out?
00:40:55.240 --> 00:40:56.970
I mean, he expected
to die, all right?
00:40:56.970 --> 00:40:58.410
No, he didn\'t.
00:40:58.410 --> 00:40:59.410
He didn\'t expect to die?
00:40:59.410 --> 00:40:59.910
No, no.
00:40:59.910 --> 00:41:01.580
Did he expect to
die or didn\'t he?
00:41:01.580 --> 00:41:02.420
No, I--
00:41:02.420 --> 00:41:03.270
You said he did.
00:41:03.270 --> 00:41:04.645
Yeah, I think he
expected to die.
00:41:04.645 --> 00:41:05.220
OK.
00:41:05.220 --> 00:41:07.240
Who say he did?
00:41:07.240 --> 00:41:08.050
I didn\'t.
00:41:08.050 --> 00:41:09.190
You say he didn\'t.
00:41:09.190 --> 00:41:10.820
He wanted to live and--
00:41:10.820 --> 00:41:12.860
What about King?
00:41:12.860 --> 00:41:13.860
I don\'t know about King.
00:41:13.860 --> 00:41:15.280
He expected to die.
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:16.210
He expected to go?
00:41:16.210 --> 00:41:17.405
I think he did.
00:41:17.405 --> 00:41:18.820
With that sermon
on the mountain?
00:41:18.820 --> 00:41:19.320
Yeah.
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:20.890
Yeah, I think he did.
00:41:20.890 --> 00:41:23.250
The physical part of him
died, not the, you know,
00:41:23.250 --> 00:41:25.850
the intellectual part of
him, you know, his values,
00:41:25.850 --> 00:41:26.870
they didn\'t die.
00:41:26.870 --> 00:41:29.227
But the physical Malcolm died.
00:41:29.227 --> 00:41:30.060
See what I\'m saying?
00:41:30.060 --> 00:41:31.210
I hear what you\'re saying.
00:41:31.210 --> 00:41:32.293
I got no problems with it.
00:41:32.293 --> 00:41:35.020
Which one was more important?
00:41:35.020 --> 00:41:37.090
I think his ideas
and his, you know,
00:41:37.090 --> 00:41:40.350
his values are more important
than his physical self.
00:41:40.350 --> 00:41:42.400
Is it because Malcolm
was a special person
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:47.100
or when any person dies
and he leaves behind ideas,
00:41:47.100 --> 00:41:50.890
does that mean that
he hasn\'t really died
00:41:50.890 --> 00:41:54.083
or does it depend on how
well we as individuals accept
00:41:54.083 --> 00:41:55.750
that person\'s ideas
as to whether or not
00:41:55.750 --> 00:41:56.965
he lives or dies?
00:41:56.965 --> 00:42:00.310
Well, look here,
man, like, you know,
00:42:00.310 --> 00:42:03.420
everybody isn\'t smart enough--
no, I don\'t mean smart enough,
00:42:03.420 --> 00:42:06.042
everybody, you
know, isn\'t that--
00:42:06.042 --> 00:42:07.750
You know what I\'m
trying to say, in order
00:42:07.750 --> 00:42:10.760
to effect other people
to believe in ideas.
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:12.490
But in answer to
your question though,
00:42:12.490 --> 00:42:15.070
I believe that, you know,
a man\'s ideas, you know,
00:42:15.070 --> 00:42:17.890
are more important
than his physical self.
00:42:17.890 --> 00:42:21.160
Question, make a comparison,
anybody, between this cat
00:42:21.160 --> 00:42:22.330
JC and Malcolm.
00:42:22.330 --> 00:42:27.898
00:42:27.898 --> 00:42:29.340
[INAUDIBLE] today?
00:42:29.340 --> 00:42:30.590
We\'re gonna go by the school.
00:42:30.590 --> 00:42:33.004
They\'re planning a strike.
00:42:33.004 --> 00:42:35.087
They\'re planning a walk-out,
most of the students.
00:42:35.087 --> 00:42:36.578
Yeah.
00:42:36.578 --> 00:42:41.548
[JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING]
00:42:41.548 --> 00:43:41.188
00:43:41.188 --> 00:43:45.661
[CHATTER]
00:43:45.661 --> 00:43:58.583
00:43:58.583 --> 00:44:02.570
[INAUDIBLE] had this to say this
morning on the Chicago School
00:44:02.570 --> 00:44:03.380
Crisis.
00:44:03.380 --> 00:44:07.310
We at Operation PUSH oppose a
teacher\'s strike at this time.
00:44:07.310 --> 00:44:08.980
The opposition to
the teacher\'s strike
00:44:08.980 --> 00:44:12.010
is not based upon the
facts or the realization
00:44:12.010 --> 00:44:15.460
that teachers are deserving of
higher pay and better working
00:44:15.460 --> 00:44:18.700
conditions, but rather it is
based upon the proposition
00:44:18.700 --> 00:44:20.997
that a strike at
this time will cut
00:44:20.997 --> 00:44:23.442
at the very heart of
the school system.
00:44:23.442 --> 00:44:26.865
That is, it is detrimental
to our school children.
00:44:26.865 --> 00:44:29.799
We at Operation PUSH
are pledging ourselves
00:44:29.799 --> 00:44:32.244
to do everything
within our local power
00:44:32.244 --> 00:44:35.860
to keep our schools going and
the educational opportunity
00:44:35.860 --> 00:44:38.020
adequate for our children.
00:44:38.020 --> 00:44:40.090
That\'s Attorney Tom Todd.
00:44:40.090 --> 00:44:42.850
Meanwhile, State School
Superintendent Michael Bakalis
00:44:42.850 --> 00:44:45.460
says the Illinois General
Assembly has the power
00:44:45.460 --> 00:44:48.295
to stop the Chicago teachers
strike scheduled for Thursday.
00:44:48.295 --> 00:44:52.981
00:44:52.981 --> 00:44:54.750
They don\'t want us
to learn nothing.
00:44:54.750 --> 00:44:55.250
All right!
00:44:55.250 --> 00:44:55.676
All right!
00:44:55.676 --> 00:44:56.176
All right!
00:44:56.176 --> 00:44:57.380
--dealing with this shit.
00:44:57.380 --> 00:44:59.095
They [BLEEP] with the seniors.
00:44:59.095 --> 00:45:00.720
Sophomores and the
Juniors are not even
00:45:00.720 --> 00:45:01.875
gonna get their credit.
00:45:01.875 --> 00:45:02.375
[INAUDIBLE]
00:45:02.375 --> 00:45:03.708
[BLEEP]
00:45:03.708 --> 00:45:04.416
everyone over. [?
00:45:04.416 --> 00:45:04.850
But I\'m talking
about our home. ?]
00:45:04.850 --> 00:45:06.335
Hey, you better cut that off.
00:45:06.335 --> 00:45:10.790
[JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING]
00:45:10.790 --> 00:45:16.235
00:45:16.235 --> 00:45:17.225
Hey, be cool.
00:45:17.225 --> 00:45:18.215
Hey, be cool.
00:45:18.215 --> 00:45:21.680
00:45:21.680 --> 00:45:24.155
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey!
00:45:24.155 --> 00:45:28.115
[CHATTER]
00:45:28.115 --> 00:45:35.540
00:45:35.540 --> 00:45:39.005
[LAUGHING]
00:45:39.005 --> 00:45:44.450
00:45:44.450 --> 00:45:46.503
[INAUDIBLE] Garcia.
00:45:46.503 --> 00:45:47.420
Make sure you get him.
00:45:47.420 --> 00:45:48.876
Because you know [INAUDIBLE].
00:45:48.876 --> 00:45:51.852
00:45:51.852 --> 00:45:53.340
Hey!
00:45:53.340 --> 00:45:57.804
[CHEERING]
00:45:57.804 --> 00:46:00.780
00:46:00.780 --> 00:46:02.764
Let\'s behave, OK, guys?
00:46:02.764 --> 00:46:04.252
[HOLLERING]
00:46:04.252 --> 00:46:05.740
Peace!
00:46:05.740 --> 00:46:07.228
Peace!
00:46:07.228 --> 00:46:09.230
Peace!
00:46:09.230 --> 00:46:11.787
Like I said, you would have
never won that fight, man.
00:46:11.787 --> 00:46:13.370
Those pigs just
wanted to get a chance
00:46:13.370 --> 00:46:14.610
to crack somebody\'s head.
00:46:14.610 --> 00:46:15.110
And--
00:46:15.110 --> 00:46:15.490
Right.
00:46:15.490 --> 00:46:17.470
So don\'t ever fight a
fight you can\'t win, man.
00:46:17.470 --> 00:46:18.928
Like, that wouldn\'t
have been cool.
00:46:18.928 --> 00:46:20.235
[INAUDIBLE]
00:46:20.235 --> 00:46:22.160
We want to use a
little bit of s--
00:46:22.160 --> 00:46:23.778
everybody like to
be a winner, right?
00:46:23.778 --> 00:46:25.570
\'Cause I would hate to
see you sitting down
00:46:25.570 --> 00:46:28.210
at [INAUDIBLE] with your head
bleeding, talking about, man.
00:46:28.210 --> 00:46:29.200
And Louis wouldn\'t have
even done it to you.
00:46:29.200 --> 00:46:29.780
They\'d have did it.
00:46:29.780 --> 00:46:30.780
They\'d have [INAUDIBLE].
00:46:30.780 --> 00:46:32.780
[INAUDIBLE] camera [INAUDIBLE].
00:46:32.780 --> 00:46:37.610
I\'d say we worked hard to
get this church where it is.
00:46:37.610 --> 00:46:40.150
And will you please
supervise those children,
00:46:40.150 --> 00:46:42.310
but I don\'t have nothing
against him coming there.
00:46:42.310 --> 00:46:46.770
But one thing I
dislike about him,
00:46:46.770 --> 00:46:49.580
he teaches [? \'em ?] black.
00:46:49.580 --> 00:46:51.780
He believes enough in
what he\'s doing, I think,
00:46:51.780 --> 00:46:55.220
to stand up for himself.
00:46:55.220 --> 00:46:56.950
He feels secure
enough in himself
00:46:56.950 --> 00:47:00.042
in that he\'s not
easily intimidated.
00:47:00.042 --> 00:47:03.410
Do you feel secure?
00:47:03.410 --> 00:47:04.970
Yeah, I feel secure.
00:47:04.970 --> 00:47:06.270
Well, I think--
00:47:06.270 --> 00:47:07.130
I think yes.
00:47:07.130 --> 00:47:10.190
00:47:10.190 --> 00:47:13.742
I\'m betting that he\'s sincere.
00:47:13.742 --> 00:47:15.150
[INAUDIBLE]
00:47:15.150 --> 00:47:16.530
Yeah.
00:47:16.530 --> 00:47:17.850
And he knows that I am.
00:47:17.850 --> 00:47:24.060
So if I\'m being labored under
misapprehension or something
00:47:24.060 --> 00:47:31.330
like that, he knows that I
suppose that I would recommend
00:47:31.330 --> 00:47:34.888
that it be terminated.
00:47:34.888 --> 00:47:35.388
Yeah.
00:47:35.388 --> 00:47:38.933
00:47:38.933 --> 00:47:46.240
(SINGING) We are
climbing Jacob\'s ladder.
00:47:46.240 --> 00:47:53.122
We are climbing Jacob\'s Ladder.
00:47:53.122 --> 00:48:00.108
We are climbing Jacob\'s ladder.
00:48:00.108 --> 00:48:06.100
Soldier of the cross.
00:48:06.100 --> 00:48:13.130
Every round goes higher higher.
00:48:13.130 --> 00:48:20.160
Every round goes higher higher.
00:48:20.160 --> 00:48:32.420
Every round goes higher
higher Soldier of the cross.
00:48:32.420 --> 00:48:39.050
OK, now we have another
item here to be disposed of.
00:48:39.050 --> 00:48:45.800
And that is the youth
ministry, the youth ministry.
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:49.656
[INAUDIBLE] on this
youth ministry?
00:48:49.656 --> 00:48:51.078
May I say [INAUDIBLE]?
00:48:51.078 --> 00:48:52.500
Yeah.
00:48:52.500 --> 00:48:57.520
As I see it, if the youth
ministry had a set up,
00:48:57.520 --> 00:48:59.230
now maybe parents
can\'t be involved,
00:48:59.230 --> 00:49:02.330
but these young people are
responsible young people.
00:49:02.330 --> 00:49:05.640
If you could have a setup
similar to what the daycare
00:49:05.640 --> 00:49:09.780
center has, I think
it would operate well.
00:49:09.780 --> 00:49:12.502
I think these young people often
know that we\'re interested.
00:49:12.502 --> 00:49:13.710
I mean, we\'ve all been young.
00:49:13.710 --> 00:49:17.152
You know, we\'ve all faced
problems like you\'re facing.
00:49:17.152 --> 00:49:19.620
And we had to grow up.
00:49:19.620 --> 00:49:21.868
And our generation ahead,
we listened to you.
00:49:21.868 --> 00:49:23.910
And we wanted you to listen
to some of the things
00:49:23.910 --> 00:49:25.660
that we have to say.
00:49:25.660 --> 00:49:29.040
I can see our
serving young people.
00:49:29.040 --> 00:49:32.112
I came up in a church
that served young people.
00:49:32.112 --> 00:49:37.410
But I can\'t see why you have
to destroy some of the things
00:49:37.410 --> 00:49:38.280
that we have here.
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:40.110
I mean, it\'s taken
a lot for us to get
00:49:40.110 --> 00:49:42.170
these musical instruments.
00:49:42.170 --> 00:49:44.090
I looked at the one
in fellowship hall
00:49:44.090 --> 00:49:47.792
and shuddered the other
Sunday, all pulled apart.
00:49:47.792 --> 00:49:50.190
We we want you to
feel that we love you.
00:49:50.190 --> 00:49:54.030
You are ours and
our responsibility.
00:49:54.030 --> 00:49:56.010
I remember attending
the Pan American
00:49:56.010 --> 00:50:01.290
Games some few years ago and
the torch that\'s carried--
00:50:01.290 --> 00:50:03.725
so we want to hand
you our torch.
00:50:03.725 --> 00:50:06.150
It may not be burning too
brightly, but that is up to you
00:50:06.150 --> 00:50:08.592
to keep it burning.
00:50:08.592 --> 00:50:12.900
All I would say
was like, on what
00:50:12.900 --> 00:50:15.360
she said, since I don\'t
know your name, you know--
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:16.780
Ms. Picket.
00:50:16.780 --> 00:50:17.490
Miss who?
00:50:17.490 --> 00:50:18.100
[? Picket. ?]
00:50:18.100 --> 00:50:22.530
Ms. Picket said, on the
just destruction thing,
00:50:22.530 --> 00:50:26.340
I mean, like, I can understand
you being concerned about it,
00:50:26.340 --> 00:50:29.040
but like now recently we\'ve
been cutting down on that,
00:50:29.040 --> 00:50:31.170
I think very considerable.
00:50:31.170 --> 00:50:32.600
Because of our
screening process,
00:50:32.600 --> 00:50:34.880
you know, like, whenever
you start out on,
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:38.400
whenever you venture forth
on some project, whatever
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:40.950
it may be, you\'re gonna
have some fall backs,
00:50:40.950 --> 00:50:44.310
some kind of something
to hold you back awhile.
00:50:44.310 --> 00:50:49.370
The problem nowadays is there\'s
too much adult supervision.
00:50:49.370 --> 00:50:54.210
For the point that, you
know, the only person anybody
00:50:54.210 --> 00:50:58.050
would relate to is someone
of their own age bracket
00:50:58.050 --> 00:51:00.180
or category.
00:51:00.180 --> 00:51:03.390
If he makes a mistake,
somebody sees his mistake,
00:51:03.390 --> 00:51:07.440
he would go ahead and go up
and correct him on the mistake.
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.670
In other words, we are
going to learn together.
00:51:10.670 --> 00:51:13.830
He is still teaching
the class, but he sees
00:51:13.830 --> 00:51:15.960
that he has made a mistake.
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:18.430
Like, older people
have made mistakes.
00:51:18.430 --> 00:51:19.980
But like, due to
the fact that they
00:51:19.980 --> 00:51:25.000
have certain millions of years
experience in that one field,
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:27.380
you know, like, it gets--
00:51:27.380 --> 00:51:30.780
it gets, you know, like,
if somebody comes up to him
00:51:30.780 --> 00:51:32.798
with something
new and different,
00:51:32.798 --> 00:51:34.590
you know, like, no,
you can\'t tell me this.
00:51:34.590 --> 00:51:38.260
I have so many years on
this thing ahead of you.
00:51:38.260 --> 00:51:39.300
This board meeting was--
00:51:39.300 --> 00:51:41.610
All right, what was
the agenda for tonight?
00:51:41.610 --> 00:51:42.960
To see which one goes--
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.540
the daycare or the
evening program.
00:51:45.540 --> 00:51:46.560
No.
00:51:46.560 --> 00:51:47.070
No, no.
00:51:47.070 --> 00:51:47.530
What was it?
00:51:47.530 --> 00:51:47.970
What was [INAUDIBLE]?
00:51:47.970 --> 00:51:49.860
[INAUDIBLE] We were
just discussing
00:51:49.860 --> 00:51:52.450
the merits of both programs.
00:51:52.450 --> 00:51:55.000
We\'re not discussing dism--
00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:55.847
[INAUDIBLE]
00:51:55.847 --> 00:51:56.930
You know, like, whatever--
00:51:56.930 --> 00:51:58.070
[INAUDIBLE]
00:51:58.070 --> 00:52:00.030
Whatever you\'re doing
with the program,
00:52:00.030 --> 00:52:03.600
you cannot really judge
it, give it merit,
00:52:03.600 --> 00:52:07.430
or anything else unless
you know what\'s going on.
00:52:07.430 --> 00:52:10.440
What we are about is living.
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:12.768
You know, and the whole
plan is living together.
00:52:12.768 --> 00:52:15.060
Well, we want to thank
everybody for their expressions.
00:52:15.060 --> 00:52:19.950
We want to get
everybody\'s opinion.
00:52:19.950 --> 00:52:22.890
You see, that\'s what we\'re here
for, just to get your opinion
00:52:22.890 --> 00:52:25.355
and see how you feel
about the program.
00:52:25.355 --> 00:52:27.078
Mr. Phillips?
00:52:27.078 --> 00:52:28.620
So if you wanted to
rate our program,
00:52:28.620 --> 00:52:30.040
I think I agree with Luther.
00:52:30.040 --> 00:52:33.180
You have yet to explore
the [INAUDIBLE]..
00:52:33.180 --> 00:52:35.760
So how can you use the
old status of rating it.
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:36.930
It becomes sort of offset.
00:52:36.930 --> 00:52:41.300
You can\'t use the yardstick
that applies to an era of wheels
00:52:41.300 --> 00:52:44.070
when we\'re talking about an
era of air and jet and space.
00:52:44.070 --> 00:52:46.240
And I\'m saying that
sometimes this whole logic
00:52:46.240 --> 00:52:48.390
that we try to apply
to this new age
00:52:48.390 --> 00:52:52.320
based upon the old rule kind of
mentality becomes a conflict.
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:55.350
Because in an urban situation,
it\'s anti what you\'re trying
00:52:55.350 --> 00:52:56.230
[INAUDIBLE] here.
00:52:56.230 --> 00:52:59.270
If you know that the rebellion
of the youth against the old,
00:52:59.270 --> 00:53:00.645
they\'re saying
that you have been
00:53:00.645 --> 00:53:01.940
the one that have endorsed war.
00:53:01.940 --> 00:53:03.540
You have been the
ones that have let
00:53:03.540 --> 00:53:04.870
drugs escalate to this point.
00:53:04.870 --> 00:53:06.787
You have been the ones
that all the vices that
00:53:06.787 --> 00:53:10.200
are available to us accumulate
by your, first of all,
00:53:10.200 --> 00:53:12.690
lack of understanding of
your growing environment.
00:53:12.690 --> 00:53:14.190
So what we have a
challenge is, when
00:53:14.190 --> 00:53:16.680
you say are these youth
challenging our knowledge?
00:53:16.680 --> 00:53:18.720
No, they\'re
challenging the record.
00:53:18.720 --> 00:53:19.970
So they\'re dealing with facts.
00:53:19.970 --> 00:53:21.900
They\'re factual kind of people.
00:53:21.900 --> 00:53:25.950
And unfortunately, in the
past, the past has always been,
00:53:25.950 --> 00:53:29.100
I call it reactionary,
they react to issues.
00:53:29.100 --> 00:53:31.058
Whereas here, what
we\'re trying to do,
00:53:31.058 --> 00:53:32.850
we\'re trying to deal
with the causes rather
00:53:32.850 --> 00:53:34.065
than the issues of things.
00:53:34.065 --> 00:53:35.490
In other words,
rather than saying
00:53:35.490 --> 00:53:36.840
we\'re gonna build a
jail to corral people,
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:38.328
we\'re saying let\'s
look at the law.
00:53:38.328 --> 00:53:39.870
Why do we have to
put people in jail?
00:53:39.870 --> 00:53:44.280
Rather than us saying would
you keep the place spotless,
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:47.150
we\'re saying, let\'s see why the
[INAUDIBLE] person leaves home
00:53:47.150 --> 00:53:51.240
without the mentality
of [INAUDIBLE]..
00:53:51.240 --> 00:53:51.740
[INAUDIBLE]
00:53:51.740 --> 00:53:54.040
You must have had a busy week.
00:53:54.040 --> 00:53:54.830
Oh, I did.
00:53:54.830 --> 00:53:56.712
I did.
00:53:56.712 --> 00:53:58.640
Is this your first
time in Chicago?
00:53:58.640 --> 00:54:04.170
No, I was here in November
for the National Committee
00:54:04.170 --> 00:54:05.420
of Black Churchmen Convention.
00:54:05.420 --> 00:54:05.680
Oh.
00:54:05.680 --> 00:54:06.755
Oh, you were out there?
00:54:06.755 --> 00:54:08.150
Uh-huh.
00:54:08.150 --> 00:54:12.047
And stayed at [INAUDIBLE].
00:54:12.047 --> 00:54:14.130
I didn\'t get a chance to
see too much of the city,
00:54:14.130 --> 00:54:17.610
though, going to all of
the various meetings.
00:54:17.610 --> 00:54:22.410
Well, do you see any
parallels between what
00:54:22.410 --> 00:54:25.285
we\'re attempting to do
here in Chicago, that
00:54:25.285 --> 00:54:27.570
would be adaptable, in
one way or the other,
00:54:27.570 --> 00:54:31.415
with the situation that
you find in Spartanburg?
00:54:31.415 --> 00:54:33.980
I had saw the kind
of counseling session
00:54:33.980 --> 00:54:38.720
in Spartanburg where for
about five hours on Saturday,
00:54:38.720 --> 00:54:40.760
I would just stay in the church.
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:42.503
And if any of the
young people had
00:54:42.503 --> 00:54:44.170
anything they wanted
to talk about, they
00:54:44.170 --> 00:54:46.130
they just dropped by.
00:54:46.130 --> 00:54:50.690
And from there, it
blossomed into a seven day
00:54:50.690 --> 00:54:51.875
a week program.
00:54:51.875 --> 00:54:54.470
It lasted for about
a week and a half.
00:54:54.470 --> 00:54:57.580
Because we came
up with a budget,
00:54:57.580 --> 00:55:02.090
excuse me, and presented
it to the church.
00:55:02.090 --> 00:55:05.380
And all of the kids
were full of goodwill
00:55:05.380 --> 00:55:08.750
and, you know, once we
get the budget passed,
00:55:08.750 --> 00:55:10.640
we can really start working.
00:55:10.640 --> 00:55:13.460
And then we found out that
there simply was not--
00:55:13.460 --> 00:55:15.040
the money simply did not exist.
00:55:15.040 --> 00:55:16.580
The money was not there.
00:55:16.580 --> 00:55:19.070
The average local
black congregation
00:55:19.070 --> 00:55:21.300
does not have the money.
00:55:21.300 --> 00:55:23.660
Therefore, you\'ve got
to find outside sources
00:55:23.660 --> 00:55:26.240
such as our situation here.
00:55:26.240 --> 00:55:29.390
We have some of these
programs funded,
00:55:29.390 --> 00:55:32.450
but the local
congregation has to be
00:55:32.450 --> 00:55:35.870
responsible for the
operation of the building
00:55:35.870 --> 00:55:43.190
itself, the lights, the gas, all
the other housekeeping chores
00:55:43.190 --> 00:55:47.130
which are very, very
expensive operations.
00:55:47.130 --> 00:55:51.470
Somebody has to face the
congregation [? monthly ?]
00:55:51.470 --> 00:55:58.580
and somehow try to get them
sympathetic toward the program,
00:55:58.580 --> 00:55:59.862
to understand it.
00:55:59.862 --> 00:56:01.320
And that falls upon
your shoulders.
00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:02.720
And that falls
upon my shoulders,
00:56:02.720 --> 00:56:06.470
see, to somehow
stand between what
00:56:06.470 --> 00:56:12.470
we are doing programmatically
and keeping that program
00:56:12.470 --> 00:56:14.860
a viable program in itself.
00:56:14.860 --> 00:56:17.545
00:56:17.545 --> 00:56:19.170
Those are things
you\'ll discover if you
00:56:19.170 --> 00:56:20.730
go to church [INAUDIBLE].
00:56:20.730 --> 00:56:28.600
I\'m beginning to discover
that the ministry is not
00:56:28.600 --> 00:56:30.110
the utopia I once
thought it was.
00:56:30.110 --> 00:56:50.364
00:56:50.364 --> 00:56:53.535
Suppose somebody had called
you black 40 years ago.
00:56:53.535 --> 00:56:56.940
Suppose somebody had to
call you black 25 years ago.
00:56:56.940 --> 00:57:00.420
We the Nation of Islam
are going to employ
00:57:00.420 --> 00:57:02.573
all black people in America.
00:57:02.573 --> 00:57:05.250
00:57:05.250 --> 00:57:08.250
Now, who started teaching
us that we were black?
00:57:08.250 --> 00:57:10.950
All this blackness that
we have going for us,
00:57:10.950 --> 00:57:15.780
you understand, the hairstyle,
the beard, our dress,
00:57:15.780 --> 00:57:18.740
all this black talk,
nation time, right on,
00:57:18.740 --> 00:57:20.490
black, black brothers,
so on and so forth.
00:57:20.490 --> 00:57:23.268
Who started this?
00:57:23.268 --> 00:57:26.040
The Honorable Elijah Muhammad
started it 40 years ago.
00:57:26.040 --> 00:57:26.880
That\'s right.
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:29.580
Now, this is what the black
religious experience is all
00:57:29.580 --> 00:57:30.870
about.
00:57:30.870 --> 00:57:32.970
This is the religion
that brought us
00:57:32.970 --> 00:57:38.580
through 244 years of
slavery and over another 100
00:57:38.580 --> 00:57:41.490
years of racism and oppression.
00:57:41.490 --> 00:57:45.010
In fact, this is the
old time religion.
00:57:45.010 --> 00:57:50.040
This is the religion that ma
and pa used to talk about.
00:57:50.040 --> 00:57:54.600
This is the religion that
gave birth to black theology.
00:57:54.600 --> 00:57:58.770
And if black theology
is going to survive,
00:57:58.770 --> 00:58:05.300
then it is on this religion
that it must theologize.
00:58:05.300 --> 00:58:07.968
Where did that black, but
where did that black come from?
00:58:07.968 --> 00:58:09.260
Where did that black come from?
00:58:09.260 --> 00:58:10.410
Who taught us that
we were black?
00:58:10.410 --> 00:58:12.000
The Honorable Elijah
Muhammad taught us that we--
00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:12.750
When did he start?
00:58:12.750 --> 00:58:14.052
When?
00:58:14.052 --> 00:58:14.960
When?
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:15.850
When did he start?
00:58:15.850 --> 00:58:16.600
When did he start?
00:58:16.600 --> 00:58:17.110
No problem.
00:58:17.110 --> 00:58:17.880
When did he start?
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:18.120
No problem.
00:58:18.120 --> 00:58:18.596
When?
00:58:18.596 --> 00:58:19.072
Tell us.
00:58:19.072 --> 00:58:19.572
When?
00:58:19.572 --> 00:58:24.860
19-- in the \'30s,
approximately 1933.
00:58:24.860 --> 00:58:26.953
[INAUDIBLE] was around
doing the same thing.
00:58:26.953 --> 00:58:28.620
That\'s right, he just
wasn\'t that known.
00:58:28.620 --> 00:58:31.062
And he was on the color black.
00:58:31.062 --> 00:58:33.420
He was doing the same thing.
00:58:33.420 --> 00:58:36.960
And only those who
have been caught up
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:39.540
in the black
religious experience
00:58:39.540 --> 00:58:43.080
can truly sing what
the hymn-writer,
00:58:43.080 --> 00:58:50.850
\"my hope is built on nothing
less than Jesus\' blood
00:58:50.850 --> 00:58:53.310
and righteousness.
00:58:53.310 --> 00:58:55.890
I dare not trust
the sweetest rain,
00:58:55.890 --> 00:58:59.256
but only lean on Jesus name.
00:58:59.256 --> 00:59:04.180
On Christ the son and rock
I stand All other ground
00:59:04.180 --> 00:59:06.440
is sinking sand.
00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:08.660
Why is it that
everybody in America
00:59:08.660 --> 00:59:11.710
is talking about the
Honorable Elijah Mohammad?
00:59:11.710 --> 00:59:12.560
Hm?
00:59:12.560 --> 00:59:15.018
Why is it we can stand up here
and speak the name Mohammad,
00:59:15.018 --> 00:59:17.018
and right away everybody\'s
got something to say.
00:59:17.018 --> 00:59:19.910
They might not be for him, they
might very well be against him.
00:59:19.910 --> 00:59:22.294
Why is he so controversial?
00:59:22.294 --> 00:59:23.210
Hm?
00:59:23.210 --> 00:59:26.210
Why is he able to
evoke so much emotion?
00:59:26.210 --> 00:59:27.530
Huh?
00:59:27.530 --> 00:59:29.660
Why is he able to
arouse so much in us?
00:59:29.660 --> 00:59:30.560
And both you and I--
00:59:30.560 --> 00:59:31.640
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
00:59:31.640 --> 00:59:33.050
He\'s not the only one.
00:59:33.050 --> 00:59:34.570
I have known plenty
other prophets
00:59:34.570 --> 00:59:36.290
in America today
who [? involve ?]
00:59:36.290 --> 00:59:37.040
a lot of emotion--
00:59:37.040 --> 00:59:39.040
Lester, you still haven\'t
answered his question.
00:59:39.040 --> 00:59:39.770
--and resentment.
00:59:39.770 --> 00:59:41.420
Well, OK, I\'m not saying--
00:59:41.420 --> 00:59:44.420
I\'m not saying that
there\'s anything
00:59:44.420 --> 00:59:47.300
wrong with the honorable
Elijah Muhammad.
00:59:47.300 --> 00:59:50.228
I\'m asking, because I
really want to know,
00:59:50.228 --> 00:59:52.270
is there anything wrong
with my being a Christian
00:59:52.270 --> 00:59:53.245
or trying to be one?
00:59:53.245 --> 00:59:59.530
00:59:59.530 --> 01:00:08.200
By nature, all black men,
women, children in America
01:00:08.200 --> 01:00:10.090
are Muslims.
01:00:10.090 --> 01:00:15.820
You see, you see long before
Karl Barth came up with his
01:00:15.820 --> 01:00:21.730
dialectical theology,
our forefathers Richard
01:00:21.730 --> 01:00:27.210
[? Allen, ?] Daniel Payne,
Gabriel [? Prasa, ?] Nat
01:00:27.210 --> 01:00:32.050
Turner, they had already
declared that God is everything
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that you and I are not.
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Mm-mm, it\'s not too late
for us to get together.
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We talking about
brotherhood of all men.
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We don\'t even have
brotherhood among ourselves.
01:00:42.465 --> 01:00:43.840
And the honorable
Elijah Muhammad
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is the only man who has been
able to produce brotherhood
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among black people.
01:00:48.110 --> 01:00:50.640
[INAUDIBLE]
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Why not--
01:00:51.167 --> 01:00:51.750
Now, who else?
01:00:51.750 --> 01:00:53.710
Now, you name me one
other group that you
01:00:53.710 --> 01:00:56.293
can compare to the followers of
the Honorable Elijah Mohammad.
01:00:56.293 --> 01:00:57.910
You see one of us,
you see us all.
01:00:57.910 --> 01:01:00.650
You can spot us a mile away.
01:01:00.650 --> 01:01:02.420
[INAUDIBLE]
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Don\'t [? shit on ?] me, man.
01:01:03.830 --> 01:01:05.890
[INAUDIBLE]
01:01:05.890 --> 01:01:07.340
01:01:07.340 --> 01:01:10.550
We don\'t never become mystics.
01:01:10.550 --> 01:01:15.110
And that\'s because we
refuse to retire from life.
01:01:15.110 --> 01:01:19.850
We must see reality
here and now as it is.
01:01:19.850 --> 01:01:22.640
Our sense of reality
is just too great
01:01:22.640 --> 01:01:26.480
for that kind of a carrying
on, to be mystics and existing
01:01:26.480 --> 01:01:29.360
in a world that doesn\'t
have a point of contact
01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:31.430
with this world.
01:01:31.430 --> 01:01:34.010
For too many black
people are starving
01:01:34.010 --> 01:01:38.610
to death, while crackers are
walking around on the moon
01:01:38.610 --> 01:01:41.660
[? for ?] that kind
of carrying on.
01:01:41.660 --> 01:01:46.860
Too many senators are
receiving hundreds of thousands
01:01:46.860 --> 01:01:50.940
of dollars a year, like
Senator Eastman in Mississippi.
01:01:50.940 --> 01:01:56.190
Not to grow grain on his
farm while black children
01:01:56.190 --> 01:02:00.090
in that same state are
growing up mentally retarded
01:02:00.090 --> 01:02:02.670
because of malnutrition.
01:02:02.670 --> 01:02:07.610
We can\'t become so
mysterious and so mystical
01:02:07.610 --> 01:02:10.990
that we forget about
the realities of life.
01:02:10.990 --> 01:02:14.340
One of the things I
like about my Jesus
01:02:14.340 --> 01:02:19.290
is that he was a man who did
not [INAUDIBLE] lose sight
01:02:19.290 --> 01:02:22.230
on reality down here.
01:02:22.230 --> 01:02:27.150
So that when he met a man
who was hungry, he fed him.
01:02:27.150 --> 01:02:31.350
When he met a man who
was sick, he healed him.
01:02:31.350 --> 01:02:36.110
When he met a man who was
a social outcast, a nobody,
01:02:36.110 --> 01:02:37.370
he became the man\'s friend.
01:02:37.370 --> 01:02:39.988
01:02:39.988 --> 01:02:45.090
So it is, in the black
religious experience,
01:02:45.090 --> 01:02:50.290
if you\'ve had your robe washed
in the blood of the [? lamb, ?]
01:02:50.290 --> 01:02:56.650
if you know something
about my grandmother\'s God,
01:02:56.650 --> 01:03:03.900
then you can\'t cry nothing else
but here am I. Lord, send me.
01:03:03.900 --> 01:03:07.612
Go where you want me to go.
01:03:07.612 --> 01:03:12.960
Do what you want me to do.
01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:17.050
Knock down walls that I didn\'t
think I could knock down.
01:03:17.050 --> 01:03:22.170
Go up against the odds
because a man plus God
01:03:22.170 --> 01:03:24.420
is in the majority.
01:03:24.420 --> 01:03:26.820
That\'s the black
religious experience.
01:03:26.820 --> 01:03:30.510
And that\'s the experience
that we have to preach about
01:03:30.510 --> 01:03:34.450
and that we have to live
in our everyday life.
01:03:34.450 --> 01:03:36.670
It\'s all right now.
01:03:36.670 --> 01:03:41.100
When you give your
life to almighty God,
01:03:41.100 --> 01:03:42.290
let the church say amen.
01:03:42.290 --> 01:03:42.790
Amen.
01:03:42.790 --> 01:03:47.590
01:03:47.590 --> 01:03:50.890
Give me that old time religion.
01:03:50.890 --> 01:03:55.390
Give me that old time religion.
01:03:55.390 --> 01:04:00.490
Give me that old time religion.
01:04:00.490 --> 01:04:04.090
It\'s good enough for me.
01:04:04.090 --> 01:04:08.890
Oh, give me that
old time religion.
01:04:08.890 --> 01:04:13.390
Give me that old time religion.
01:04:13.390 --> 01:04:18.790
Give me that old time religion.
01:04:18.790 --> 01:04:22.090
It\'s good enough for me.
01:04:22.090 --> 01:04:26.890
Oh, give me that
old time religion.
01:04:26.890 --> 01:04:30.790
Give me that old time religion.
01:04:30.790 --> 01:04:36.490
Oh, give me that old,
old time religion.
01:04:36.490 --> 01:04:40.390
It\'s good enough for me.
01:04:40.390 --> 01:04:44.590
It was good for our
[? mother ?] and father.
01:04:44.590 --> 01:04:49.690
It was good for our mother
and [? father. ?] It
01:04:49.690 --> 01:04:54.190
was good for our
mother and father.
01:04:54.190 --> 01:04:57.190
And it\'s good enough for me.
01:04:57.190 --> 01:05:12.790
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