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Let us move now to discuss
a foreign rhetorical element

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needed in our sermonizing for
delivering the word of God

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to desperately needy men
with effective healing power.

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Well.

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Namely, the proposition--

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Well, yeah.

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--of a sermon.

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Now, if you recall, we
open up our discussion

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on the introduction of
a sermon by declaring

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that the sermonic introduction
is not an essential element--

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Well.

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--of the sermon,
though it is most often

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a very important element.

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Well.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, 99 and 44/100ths of our sermonizing.

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Well, here at this
juncture, at this juncture

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of the proposition,
we want to open up

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our discussion of the
sermonic proposition

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in a similar judgmental way.

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That is by making a
homiletical judgment

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on the nature and significance
of the proposition

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in our sermonizing at the
outset of this discussion.

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Think of trying to
exist without a heart.

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That\'s what the proposition
is to the sermon,

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it\'s the very heart
of the sermon.

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Yes, sir.

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Without which no
sermon can even exist.

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All right.

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It is the germinal seed out
of which everything else

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in the sermon is produced.

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Yeah.

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Its been a fundamental,
all-important basic essential,

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without which no sermon was
ever made and that was made.

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Yeah.

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So whether we realize it or not
or whether we like it or not,

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this judgment is still true.

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Yeah.

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If you ain\'t got no
proposition, then you

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ain\'t got no sermon neither.

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Neither.

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Neither.

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[LAUGHS] All right.

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(SINGING) [? Oh, ?] Jesus
[? said ?] the [INAUDIBLE]..

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[MUSIC - ROBERTA FLACK &
DONNY HATHAWAY, \"MOOD\"]

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Well, I think the
problem, I think,

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that confronts us, as black
people, is that we are not--

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I don\'t think we are
able to really deal

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with the whole matter of
challenging the white man\'s

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concept of God, which, by
even his historical records,

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was designed and invented in
order to enslave black folks.

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And I see that guys who are
saying [INAUDIBLE] to renew

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the church, to overhaul the
church are not really dealing--

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Whoa, ho, ho, ho, but a lot
of people are basing their,

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you know, religion on the Bible.

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You [? can ?] do this,
look at the gospels.

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And then it\'s your
job as the minister

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to interpret the
gospels correctly

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so that you won\'t have to worry
about a kingdom on heaven.

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You can talk about the kingdom
here on Earth right now

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about living situations.

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You missed me, you missed me.

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I\'m not talking about
the kingdom of God

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and the kingdom of heaven
and the kingdom of Earth

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doesn\'t bother me.

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I\'m talking about a concrete,
authoritative institution

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in the black community that
operates under auspices of God,

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but in reality is
an institution that

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goes to perpetuate a select
group of clergymen who

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wield all the political
and economic power

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in the black community and drain
resourcefulness of the poor.

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Now, what I\'m saying
is, now, how do

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you propose to deal with that?

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If you were going to take
the pulpit of a man who

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has a church, how
are you gonna deal

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with that when these
same poor people are also

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gonna look at you,
you know, as a man

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that they ought to
support and look up to?

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We got to have them trays in.

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And in five minutes, they\'re
gonna turn off the water.

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I wonder if you could
please put the trays

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[? back before I split. ?]

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OK.

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Yeah, OK.

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All right.

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I know I want to be a minister.

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And I know I\'ve got to be black.

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Is there any good, is there
any use in, like, my getting up

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in the Church or my going
to ITC or my putting

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on a clerical collar?

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Does all this really matter?

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What do I believe?

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I believe black
people are oppressed.

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I believe that white
folks oppress black folks.

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And I know the church
is an institution.

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And you can say what you
want about black religion,

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but I\'m still gonna
be in an institution.

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So therefore, I\'m still kind
of working with white folks.

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[? Let\'s ?] slide, man.

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We gotta go to the
minister tomorrow, man.

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[? Yeah, that\'s across ?]
the street.

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Yeah, but that was a
really good work out, man.

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Yeah, it was for you.

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You were out the game
after about five minutes

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[? though. ?]

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[? It ain\'t a thing. ?]
You know me.

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Hello, is Regina there?

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May I speak to her?

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This is Dusty.

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Hey, how you doing?

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Nothing, uh-- well,
[? AC ?] and I

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went through the
community a little bit.

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And we talked to some people
about welfare rights and, uh--

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the NWRO.

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And we went up to
IBW for a seminar.

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\"History of the Black World.\"

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Yeah, it was nice.

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It was hip.

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Listen, we still going out?

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To [? Mine ?] Shaft.

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About 10:30 or 11:00.

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Yeah, I wanna go.

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What do you mean?

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Of course I want to go.

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Yeah, well, you know, you
don\'t have to dress up.

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Just look-- just look
good, that\'s all.

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Yeah, OK.

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You still going?

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OK, I\'ll pick you up
about 10:30 or 11:00.

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OK.

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Bye-bye.

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[FUNK MUSIC PLAYING]

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(SINGING) Give me your lovin\'.

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And feel no pain or sorrow.

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[INAUDIBLE] is all
you\'re missin\'.

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If you feel what I feel.

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Whew!

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Got a good thing, good thing.
[? Good ?] thing today.

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[? Good ?] thing tomorrow.

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If you give me your lovin\', you
won\'t feel no pain or sorrow.

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[INAUDIBLE]

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If you feel what I feel, it\'s
a good, it\'s a good thing.

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Right about now,
ladies and gentlemen,

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we\'d like for you to give
out a nice round of applause

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[INAUDIBLE] young lady
that are singing for you.

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How about a nice
round of applause

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for Liz Spraggins, ladies
and gentlemen, Liz Spraggins.

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(SINGING) A chair is
still a chair even when

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there\'s no one sitting there.

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But oh, oh, a chair
is not a house.

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And a house is not a home.

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When there\'s no one there.

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to hold you tight and no one
there you can kiss goodnight.

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A room is still a room
even when there\'s nothing

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there but gloom.

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But oh, oh, a room
is not a house

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and a house is not a home when
the two of us are far apart

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and one of us has
a broken heart.

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Now and then, I call your name.

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And suddenly, your face appears.

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Oh, only our Lord and he
alone, he proved a con,

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a constant friend.

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Oh, through sorrow,
through trials, oh, he\'ll

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go with you, yeah, to
the very, the very end.

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Only our [? Lord. ?] Oh,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Only our Lord.

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You\'re saying one thing, but
you\'re acting in the opposite.

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But I have to do
what I believe in.

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And I guess it\'s kind of--

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it\'s kind of a
shock value thing,

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about a minister going out.

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Because to prove to people that
God and religion and holiness

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and Christ can be found
in places other than,

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especially in places other
than the pulpit and the pew,

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that there\'s nothing
wrong with going out.

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But rather judge a man on
the basis of who he is.

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OK, I agree with that 100%.

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But, you know, people
are set in their ways.

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And they do not like changes.

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And it\'s going to be
very hard, extremely

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difficult to get them to come
over to your way of thinking.

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[INAUDIBLE] want
them to come over

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to my way of
thinking in the sense

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that I\'m trying to convince
them that everybody should go

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to a nightclub, but rather
to convince them that there\'s

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nothing wrong with it.

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When you start messing
with people souls,

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you have to step
very delicately.

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How you doing, [? boss man? ?]

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Good.

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How are you [INAUDIBLE]?

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I\'m OK.

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Why don\'t you have
a seat right here.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I wanted to talk to you about
the whole matter of field

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internships, what exactly
is involved in them

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and what I have to do, the
openings, things like that.

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As you think about
your ministry,

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what kind of setting of a church
would you be interested in?

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I\'m really not that
concerned about denomination,

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but I realized I have to
take that into account.

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But I think I\'d
like, I guess what

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people call a ghetto church.

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Although, it\'s not
an either/or thing.

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I am at this point open to
any, but my first preference

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would be a ghetto church.

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Yeah, well, I would,
I think, you know,

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we have many more
opportunities to place students

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during the summer.

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So we should be able to
find anything that you--

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well, any area of
the country that you

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might be interested in going to.

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Had you thought about
Midwest or east or west?

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Or what about something south?

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As you talk about
the city church,

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one of the things
that strikes me

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is that many of our students
in their development

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do not give any thought to
the possibility of working

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in small towns and rural church.

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That the kind of need for
ministry is just tremendously

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great in areas where
many of the men

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are not willing to go now and
provide ministry to people.

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I have a friend, for example,
over in a small Mississippi

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town that you might want to
look at as a possibility.

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And if you could,
maybe even get a chance

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to run over one weekend, I\'d
like you to work that out

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so you could just
get an opportunity.

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Because you have seen a good
bit of city church ministry.

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If you could get an
opportunity to look

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at another dimension
of ministry,

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I think it would give
you a clearer overview

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and may even open up
some new options to you.

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Mrs. Lawrence?

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Yes.

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Would you try to
see if you can get

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Earl Lucas in Mound Bayou,
Mississippi on a long distance

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line for me please?

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Hello, Earl?

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Who is this, man?

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[? Mance, ?] Mance
[? Gladdock. ?]

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What can I do for you, man?

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Listen, I had a student
in earlier today

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who is interested in spending
a summer in the ministry.

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I tried to get him to give some
consideration to a small town,

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rural church kind of
situation and was wondering

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if it might be possible
for you to show him

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around some of the
churches down in your area,

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if he was down there
for a couple of days?

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Oh, I\'d be glad to do that, man.

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[MUSIC - BB KING, \"MIDNIGHT\"]

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[INAUDIBLE]

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Right.

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What\'s the history of the town?

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How did it get started?

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How did it become
an all black town?

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Well, this town
was founded in 1887

00:19:21.886 --> 00:19:25.720
by ex-slaves and Jeff Davis.

00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:29.940
The land was purchased
from [INAUDIBLE]..

00:19:29.940 --> 00:19:32.630
Frankly, [? wilderness ?]
in this area.

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It was a group of
settlers from--

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who was free during
that time settling

00:19:38.150 --> 00:19:41.330
along what is
known as the bayou.

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And on the side was something
looked like a mound.

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And it probably was
an Indian mound.

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And they call it Mound Bayou.

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00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:53.360
The First Baptist Church was
probably the first church

00:19:53.360 --> 00:19:57.100
we built in here
along with Bethel A&ME

00:19:57.100 --> 00:20:00.080
those are two of the oldest
churches in this community.

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And Bethel A&ME was associated
with the college, which

00:20:03.340 --> 00:20:05.130
is called Campbell College.

00:20:05.130 --> 00:20:07.180
And that\'s one of our
objectives at this time,

00:20:07.180 --> 00:20:09.880
is to try to get back
into this community

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some institution
of higher learning.

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00:20:14.930 --> 00:20:17.930
We have a great respect
here for ministers.

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And I guess this has something
to do that relates back

00:20:20.450 --> 00:20:21.740
to slavery time, you know?

00:20:21.740 --> 00:20:24.320
Black people, in general,
are very religious.

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And this was probably
the only outlet

00:20:26.210 --> 00:20:29.450
that they were allowed to do
during the time of slavery.

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And that\'s still a carry
over in black people.

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00:20:37.320 --> 00:20:39.740
Do you have anything
like, you know,

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I guess you\'d call it
black history stuff?

00:20:42.270 --> 00:20:44.030
I know this is black
history, but, I mean,

00:20:44.030 --> 00:20:45.655
you know, an organized
thing like that.

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No, not really.

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And I guess the real reason that
they don\'t respond in the way

00:20:50.490 --> 00:20:53.648
that you respond is because,
heck, everything is black.

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We\'ve always known
it to be that way.

00:20:55.190 --> 00:20:55.690
Yeah.

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00:20:59.174 --> 00:21:03.158
[CONGREGATION SINGING]

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Our subject today, don\'t
[? sell ?] your brother.

00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:33.697
It\'s bad to want to
kill your brother.

00:22:33.697 --> 00:22:34.197
Yeah!

00:22:34.197 --> 00:22:35.051
That\'s right.

00:22:35.051 --> 00:22:37.608
It\'s low down to want
to kill your brother.

00:22:37.608 --> 00:22:38.400
Yeah, that\'s right.

00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:42.440
Right now, when you go and
let\'s get that much [INAUDIBLE]

00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:46.130
in your heart that you want
to do away with your brother.

00:22:46.130 --> 00:22:48.510
You so wrong.

00:22:48.510 --> 00:22:52.195
And now, when they saw
their brother coming,

00:22:52.195 --> 00:22:56.450
they said the best
thing, ah, we can do,

00:22:56.450 --> 00:22:59.910
I said, I\'ll tell
you a good plan.

00:22:59.910 --> 00:23:03.114
Let\'s get his
garment off his back,

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and let\'s kill a wild beast.

00:23:06.630 --> 00:23:07.130
Preach!

00:23:07.130 --> 00:23:07.566
Preach!

00:23:07.566 --> 00:23:08.653
Lord, Lord, help me today.

00:23:08.653 --> 00:23:09.153
Preach!

00:23:09.153 --> 00:23:09.616
Come on!

00:23:09.616 --> 00:23:10.116
Come on!

00:23:10.116 --> 00:23:16.400
Now, now, he said if we
kill this wild beast,

00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:21.237
let\'s take his coat
and dip it in blood.

00:23:21.237 --> 00:23:22.231
You preachin\'!

00:23:22.231 --> 00:23:23.225
You preachin\'!

00:23:23.225 --> 00:23:28.820
Now, now, ha, let\'s carry
it back home to our father.

00:23:28.820 --> 00:23:29.435
Yeah!

00:23:29.435 --> 00:23:29.935
Oh, yeah.

00:23:29.935 --> 00:23:35.150
And tell our father that Joseph
got destroyed by wild beasts.

00:23:35.150 --> 00:23:35.650
Yeah!

00:23:35.650 --> 00:23:36.896
(SINGING) OH, yeah.

00:23:36.896 --> 00:23:39.190
Oh, Lord, y\'all listenin\' at me?

00:23:39.190 --> 00:23:40.350
Yes!

00:23:40.350 --> 00:23:45.290
He give \'em some money and
told \'em to go on down in

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[? Egypt, ?] [INAUDIBLE].

00:23:48.176 --> 00:23:54.110
And I saw the younger brother,
old man Jacob [INAUDIBLE]..

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He wouldn\'t let him go.

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[INAUDIBLE] him at home.

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Yeah.

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And the other
brother went on down.

00:24:03.586 --> 00:24:07.978
(SINGING) Lord,
have mercy, Lord.

00:24:07.978 --> 00:24:11.040


00:24:11.040 --> 00:24:12.470
I can get all the money.

00:24:12.470 --> 00:24:13.095
Yeah.

00:24:13.095 --> 00:24:15.935
And look how I untie the bag.

00:24:15.935 --> 00:24:17.613
And get that money
out [INAUDIBLE]..

00:24:17.613 --> 00:24:20.480
(SINGING) Oh, yeah.

00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:23.600
He said to them,
what\'s y\'all mean, boy?

00:24:23.600 --> 00:24:26.165
What is this y\'all done?

00:24:26.165 --> 00:24:27.695
I know I give it to him.

00:24:27.695 --> 00:24:28.195
Yeah.

00:24:28.195 --> 00:24:28.737
That\'s right.

00:24:28.737 --> 00:24:30.540
But I don\'t know how
it get back in there.

00:24:30.540 --> 00:24:31.040
Yeah.

00:24:31.040 --> 00:24:31.772
I know!

00:24:31.772 --> 00:24:34.688
(SINGING) I know.

00:24:34.688 --> 00:24:39.142
In the valley, I don\'t
know what happened.

00:24:39.142 --> 00:24:42.074
[INAUDIBLE]

00:24:42.074 --> 00:24:46.942
I heard Joseph saying, I\'m
gonna give you some more money.

00:24:46.942 --> 00:24:50.580
And you go back down there
and buy some more [? corn. ?]

00:24:50.580 --> 00:24:51.080
Yeah.

00:24:51.080 --> 00:24:55.149
He went on back down
there the second time.

00:24:55.149 --> 00:24:56.135
You preachin\'!

00:24:56.135 --> 00:24:57.614
You preachin\'!

00:24:57.614 --> 00:25:00.060
He went on back down to
[? the golden ?] [? pile, ?]

00:25:00.060 --> 00:25:01.525
filled the bag again.

00:25:01.525 --> 00:25:02.025
Yeah.

00:25:02.025 --> 00:25:04.935
He put the money back
in the top of the bag.

00:25:04.935 --> 00:25:07.380
And he went on back home.

00:25:07.380 --> 00:25:09.422
Lord, help me.

00:25:09.422 --> 00:25:10.906
[INAUDIBLE]

00:25:10.906 --> 00:25:11.406
All right.

00:25:11.406 --> 00:25:11.906
Yeah!

00:25:11.906 --> 00:25:13.886
[INAUDIBLE]

00:25:13.886 --> 00:25:15.374
Yeah!

00:25:15.374 --> 00:25:19.838
Ah, ha, ah!

00:25:19.838 --> 00:25:20.830
(SINGING) Yeah.

00:25:20.830 --> 00:25:23.806


00:25:23.806 --> 00:25:27.774
[VOCALIZING]

00:25:27.774 --> 00:25:34.222


00:25:34.222 --> 00:25:38.450
Somebody said, [INAUDIBLE].

00:25:38.450 --> 00:25:44.842
Ha, y\'all in my [? head. ?]
Somebody [INAUDIBLE]..

00:25:44.842 --> 00:25:50.818


00:25:50.818 --> 00:25:52.320
Oh!

00:25:52.320 --> 00:25:56.109
[INAUDIBLE]

00:25:56.109 --> 00:26:02.621


00:26:02.621 --> 00:26:06.597
[SCREAMING]

00:26:06.597 --> 00:26:10.386
[INAUDIBLE]

00:26:10.386 --> 00:26:13.390


00:26:13.390 --> 00:26:18.146
Wake me in the darkest
hour of the night.

00:26:18.146 --> 00:26:21.618
[SINGING]

00:26:21.618 --> 00:26:25.586
[INAUDIBLE]

00:26:25.586 --> 00:26:56.380


00:26:56.380 --> 00:26:57.150
Our Father.

00:26:57.150 --> 00:26:58.680
Our Father.

00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:04.320
Which art in heaven, it is
once more and again that

00:27:04.320 --> 00:27:09.570
our [INAUDIBLE] [? servant ?]
[INAUDIBLE] thankful

00:27:09.570 --> 00:27:12.553
for the blessing that
thou throw upon us,

00:27:12.553 --> 00:27:14.845
for [? allowing ?] us your
goodness and your mercy that

00:27:14.845 --> 00:27:16.012
have kept us saved this far.

00:27:16.012 --> 00:27:18.460
(SINGING) Oh, Lord.

00:27:18.460 --> 00:27:21.530
Look on the
[INAUDIBLE] here today.

00:27:21.530 --> 00:27:24.880
Bind us together in a
[? band ?] of preaching love.

00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:27.210
[INAUDIBLE]

00:27:27.210 --> 00:27:29.200
Whoa, Lord.

00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:32.310
You know what we need down here.

00:27:32.310 --> 00:27:35.244
You know what we need, father.

00:27:35.244 --> 00:27:38.090
[INAUDIBLE] to thou will.

00:27:38.090 --> 00:27:40.240
[INAUDIBLE]

00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:42.560
Whoa, Lord.

00:27:42.560 --> 00:27:45.302
[INAUDIBLE] home, Father.

00:27:45.302 --> 00:27:47.872
Bless our home today.

00:27:47.872 --> 00:27:49.760
[INAUDIBLE]

00:27:49.760 --> 00:27:52.445
We need you every
day of our life.

00:27:52.445 --> 00:27:55.730
We need you every
hour in the day.

00:27:55.730 --> 00:27:58.766
We need you every
minute, now, Father.

00:27:58.766 --> 00:28:00.919
Listen, heavenly Father.

00:28:00.919 --> 00:28:02.891
Oh, Lord.

00:28:02.891 --> 00:28:05.849
We need you in our homes.

00:28:05.849 --> 00:28:08.807
We need you in our
community, Father.

00:28:08.807 --> 00:28:12.162
We need you in our town, father.

00:28:12.162 --> 00:28:18.410
Please, oh, heavenly Father,
Oh, Lord, I know you can.

00:28:18.410 --> 00:28:20.640
I believe you will.

00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:22.600
[INAUDIBLE]

00:28:22.600 --> 00:28:24.300
Oh, Lord.

00:28:24.300 --> 00:28:26.220
We\'re calling you today.

00:28:26.220 --> 00:28:29.580
We\'re calling you today, Father.

00:28:29.580 --> 00:28:35.111
[SCREAMING]

00:28:35.111 --> 00:28:39.048
(SINGING) Oh, Lord.

00:28:39.048 --> 00:28:39.548
[SCREAMS]

00:28:39.548 --> 00:28:44.478
(SINGING) Got to walk away
from a bad [INAUDIBLE]..

00:28:44.478 --> 00:28:45.464
Oh!

00:28:45.464 --> 00:28:46.943
[INAUDIBLE]

00:28:46.943 --> 00:28:49.901
[SCREAMING]

00:28:49.901 --> 00:28:51.873


00:28:51.873 --> 00:28:56.310
[INAUDIBLE]

00:28:56.310 --> 00:29:01.130


00:29:01.130 --> 00:29:07.010
[SCREAMING]

00:29:07.010 --> 00:29:11.910


00:29:11.910 --> 00:29:16.560
This road here, I
live and I was raised.

00:29:16.560 --> 00:29:19.160
Where you see the-- [? only ?]
that\'s a [? boat ?] down there,

00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:20.970
where you see that green tree.

00:29:20.970 --> 00:29:22.770
[INAUDIBLE]

00:29:22.770 --> 00:29:25.380
That\'s where I grew up as a man.

00:29:25.380 --> 00:29:28.800
And I come into
knowledge of my calling

00:29:28.800 --> 00:29:35.160
as a minister going down
this road home one day.

00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:37.920
I was a young minister.

00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:40.140
And I began preaching.

00:29:40.140 --> 00:29:44.510
I preached 11 months.

00:29:44.510 --> 00:29:51.990
And I was called to this
church here, my first church.

00:29:51.990 --> 00:29:57.120
I\'m kind of wondering
about my first call.

00:29:57.120 --> 00:30:00.690
OK, I\'m going to
school in Atlanta.

00:30:00.690 --> 00:30:03.520
And it\'s a big city.

00:30:03.520 --> 00:30:08.820
And like, it seems sometimes
that people kind of

00:30:08.820 --> 00:30:13.110
don\'t have time for religion.

00:30:13.110 --> 00:30:19.080
Well, [INAUDIBLE] here,
churches and religion and God

00:30:19.080 --> 00:30:22.930
is not just something
that you do on Sundays.

00:30:22.930 --> 00:30:25.060
It\'s something that you live.

00:30:25.060 --> 00:30:27.330
It\'s a everyday
thing, young man.

00:30:27.330 --> 00:30:30.180


00:30:30.180 --> 00:30:37.530
Today we come to the church
house to worship God in spirit

00:30:37.530 --> 00:30:39.900
and in truth.

00:30:39.900 --> 00:30:46.710
Tomorrow the next day and
the next day and every day

00:30:46.710 --> 00:30:54.120
this week, we serve God by
the way we treat one another.

00:30:54.120 --> 00:30:56.880
Everything that you read in
the Bible, why, it say you

00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:59.870
must be born again.

00:30:59.870 --> 00:31:05.100
Now, that born again business
is something like this.

00:31:05.100 --> 00:31:10.020
Anything that\'s born has
to first be forgotten.

00:31:10.020 --> 00:31:13.400
You\'ve forgotten first
about God\'s word.

00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:17.340
And then you are born
by the Holy Spirit.

00:31:17.340 --> 00:31:20.550
Then you come in the
works of the Lord.

00:31:20.550 --> 00:31:23.730
You learn, you grow to love God.

00:31:23.730 --> 00:31:26.280
And as you grow to
love God and then

00:31:26.280 --> 00:31:30.930
God lay something
on your heart to do.

00:31:30.930 --> 00:31:34.950
He don\'t speak to
you like I\'m talking.

00:31:34.950 --> 00:31:37.000
But he just lay
it on your heart.

00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:40.290
He just lay it on
there daily until you

00:31:40.290 --> 00:31:45.290
come into full knowledge of
what he mean for you to do.

00:31:45.290 --> 00:31:48.210
If you are sure of
a calling, don\'t

00:31:48.210 --> 00:31:53.130
let nobody turn you
around because if God

00:31:53.130 --> 00:31:59.190
had anointed you to preach
the gospel, you must preach.

00:31:59.190 --> 00:32:04.410
And don\'t let nobody tell
you that there is not a God.

00:32:04.410 --> 00:32:08.310
Because there is a
true and a living God.

00:32:08.310 --> 00:32:10.820


00:32:10.820 --> 00:32:12.990
That\'s real.

00:32:12.990 --> 00:32:16.090
You don\'t have to have
no doubt in your mind.

00:32:16.090 --> 00:32:20.610
Of course, we have a lot of
[INAUDIBLE] telling people

00:32:20.610 --> 00:32:22.306
that God is dead.

00:32:22.306 --> 00:32:26.340
But young man, I\'m here to
tell you, that\'s not true.

00:32:26.340 --> 00:32:28.980
God is living.

00:32:28.980 --> 00:32:31.560
And he will live forever.

00:32:31.560 --> 00:32:33.020
I believe that, I really do.

00:32:33.020 --> 00:32:34.117
You do?

00:32:34.117 --> 00:32:34.950
I really believe it.

00:32:34.950 --> 00:32:39.060
If you believe that and
sure of your calling,

00:32:39.060 --> 00:32:41.021
you will be a preacher.

00:32:41.021 --> 00:32:42.342
I certainly hope so.

00:32:42.342 --> 00:32:45.120


00:32:45.120 --> 00:32:47.800
You will notice in the bulletin
a brief statement in regard

00:32:47.800 --> 00:32:52.180
to Mr. Hudson Barksdale.

00:32:52.180 --> 00:32:55.982
He\'s a native of
Spartanburg, South Carolina.

00:32:55.982 --> 00:33:02.710
But he now is a student in the
Interdenominational Theological

00:33:02.710 --> 00:33:04.070
Center in Atlanta.

00:33:04.070 --> 00:33:09.850
He took his undergraduate work
at Johnson C. Smith University

00:33:09.850 --> 00:33:13.270
in Charlotte, isn\'t it?

00:33:13.270 --> 00:33:15.460
In Charlotte, North Carolina.

00:33:15.460 --> 00:33:18.190
[INAUDIBLE] being involved
in a number of things

00:33:18.190 --> 00:33:22.630
here in the parish coming
to know what\'s going on here

00:33:22.630 --> 00:33:25.000
in the church and the
parish, in the community,

00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:26.650
in the larger community.

00:33:26.650 --> 00:33:28.990
Now, if there are no
other visitors here,

00:33:28.990 --> 00:33:34.510
we want now to prepare ourselves
for the spoken word of God.

00:33:34.510 --> 00:33:40.740
May we stand and
affirm the faith that

00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:42.980
is ours as the people of God.

00:33:42.980 --> 00:33:46.290


00:33:46.290 --> 00:33:47.920
Where the spirit of
the Lord is, that

00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:50.840
is the one true church,
epistolic and universal, whose

00:33:50.840 --> 00:33:54.070
holy faith let us now declare.

00:33:54.070 --> 00:33:58.010
We believe in God the
father, infinite wisdom,

00:33:58.010 --> 00:34:02.410
power and love, who is
merciful in all of his works

00:34:02.410 --> 00:34:06.290
and whose will is ever-directed
to his children\'s good.

00:34:06.290 --> 00:34:11.199
We believe in Jesus Christ,
son of God and the son of man,

00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:14.560
the gift of the father\'s
unfailing grace,

00:34:14.560 --> 00:34:16.670
the [? ground ?] of our
[? hope, ?] and promise

00:34:16.670 --> 00:34:19.810
of our deliverance
from sin and death.

00:34:19.810 --> 00:34:24.920
We believe in the Holy Spirit as
a divine presence in our lives.

00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:27.449
Whereby, we are kept in
perpetual remembrance

00:34:27.449 --> 00:34:31.330
of the truth of Christ
by his strength and help

00:34:31.330 --> 00:34:33.250
in times of need.

00:34:33.250 --> 00:34:36.580
We believe that this faith
should manifest itself

00:34:36.580 --> 00:34:39.280
in the service of
love as is set forth

00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:42.190
in the example of
our [INAUDIBLE] Lord.

00:34:42.190 --> 00:34:46.460
To the end of the Kingdom of
God may come upon the Earth.

00:34:46.460 --> 00:34:46.960
Amen.

00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:53.457


00:34:53.457 --> 00:34:57.948
[CONGREGATION SINGING]

00:34:57.948 --> 00:35:59.824


00:35:59.824 --> 00:36:02.450
I just can\'t believe you got
the old subway is only a quarter

00:36:02.450 --> 00:36:03.469
block away.

00:36:03.469 --> 00:36:04.677
Hello there, Mr. [INAUDIBLE].

00:36:04.677 --> 00:36:05.810
[INAUDIBLE]

00:36:05.810 --> 00:36:06.650
All right.

00:36:06.650 --> 00:36:07.410
[INAUDIBLE], how you doing?

00:36:07.410 --> 00:36:07.558
I\'m fine.

00:36:07.558 --> 00:36:07.780
How are you?

00:36:07.780 --> 00:36:09.113
Mr. Barksdale here, Mrs. Kotter.

00:36:09.113 --> 00:36:12.577
Yes, well, you know,
I forgot his name.

00:36:12.577 --> 00:36:13.410
You forgot his name?

00:36:13.410 --> 00:36:14.010
Yeah.

00:36:14.010 --> 00:36:15.440
But you saw him Sunday there?

00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:16.470
Yeah, I saw him Sunday.

00:36:16.470 --> 00:36:17.440
But I forgot his name.

00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:18.090
[INAUDIBLE]

00:36:18.090 --> 00:36:18.940
Yeah.

00:36:18.940 --> 00:36:19.570
How you doing?

00:36:19.570 --> 00:36:20.296
That\'s Mr. Barksdale.

00:36:20.296 --> 00:36:20.796
Fine.

00:36:20.796 --> 00:36:21.912
How you doing?

00:36:21.912 --> 00:36:26.574
[INAUDIBLE]

00:36:26.574 --> 00:36:28.250
Yeah, it\'s kind of warm.

00:36:28.250 --> 00:36:29.440
I\'ll just take my coat off.

00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:29.982
Give me that.

00:36:29.982 --> 00:36:30.580
Let me get it.

00:36:30.580 --> 00:36:31.800
Oh, that\'s all right.

00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:32.670
It\'ll stay there.

00:36:32.670 --> 00:36:33.410
[INAUDIBLE]

00:36:33.410 --> 00:36:34.410
For anyone to sit there?

00:36:34.410 --> 00:36:34.850
Yeah.

00:36:34.850 --> 00:36:36.392
All right, you put
it somewhere else.

00:36:36.392 --> 00:36:37.181
Be careful.

00:36:37.181 --> 00:36:40.340
[INAUDIBLE]

00:36:40.340 --> 00:36:41.770
[INAUDIBLE] home.

00:36:41.770 --> 00:36:47.440
We have a wonderful set
up there, at the church.

00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:50.430
Thing about it, we
just need some--

00:36:50.430 --> 00:36:50.990
[INAUDIBLE]

00:36:50.990 --> 00:36:56.250
Well, I think we could use some
more volunteer work, workers.

00:36:56.250 --> 00:36:57.400
You know?

00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:03.700
That\'s always a problem, getting
people to volunteer and come in

00:37:03.700 --> 00:37:04.480
and to work.

00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:09.290
Now, the people that
would been too old.

00:37:09.290 --> 00:37:10.343
Except nobody too old.

00:37:10.343 --> 00:37:11.950
You\'re never too old.

00:37:11.950 --> 00:37:12.700
You never too old.

00:37:12.700 --> 00:37:13.492
Volunteer for what?

00:37:13.492 --> 00:37:15.720
Volunteer to help
down at the church.

00:37:15.720 --> 00:37:17.950
Well, what do you think about--

00:37:17.950 --> 00:37:22.420
what do you think about
[INAUDIBLE] and his entire way

00:37:22.420 --> 00:37:25.890
of handling the teenagers?

00:37:25.890 --> 00:37:27.640
[INAUDIBLE]

00:37:27.640 --> 00:37:36.480
Well, I don\'t know, to
be very frank with you.

00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:40.240
Because I haven\'t been
down there too much.

00:37:40.240 --> 00:37:41.650
You know, haven\'t been around.

00:37:41.650 --> 00:37:43.403
And I can\'t say much about it.

00:37:43.403 --> 00:37:45.070
Do you think he is
the right man for it?

00:37:45.070 --> 00:37:47.630
Do we have a religious
background on him?

00:37:47.630 --> 00:37:49.350
Religious background?

00:37:49.350 --> 00:37:51.390
He has his own beliefs.

00:37:51.390 --> 00:37:52.860
Well, he grew up as a Catholic.

00:37:52.860 --> 00:37:53.380
[INAUDIBLE]

00:37:53.380 --> 00:37:54.685
Down there at St. Dominic\'s.

00:37:54.685 --> 00:37:56.200
That\'s where his
family belonged,

00:37:56.200 --> 00:37:58.065
he belonged at one time.

00:37:58.065 --> 00:38:01.380
But he does not consider
himself a Roman Catholic now.

00:38:01.380 --> 00:38:02.150
No.

00:38:02.150 --> 00:38:02.865
No, uh-uh.

00:38:02.865 --> 00:38:05.004
But that\'s his
religious background.

00:38:05.004 --> 00:38:05.950
[INAUDIBLE]

00:38:05.950 --> 00:38:07.400
Yeah, uh-huh.

00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:09.310
But he considers himself
religious, though.

00:38:09.310 --> 00:38:10.610
He does?

00:38:10.610 --> 00:38:11.830
Yeah, he\'s very religious.

00:38:11.830 --> 00:38:13.192
He has adopted his own religion.

00:38:13.192 --> 00:38:13.900
His own religion.

00:38:13.900 --> 00:38:15.140
I understand.

00:38:15.140 --> 00:38:17.920
OK, now if anybody can
relate to teenagers,

00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:19.210
it should be [? Harold. ?]

00:38:19.210 --> 00:38:20.805
Let me tell everybody
the problem.

00:38:20.805 --> 00:38:22.180
Because I want
everybody\'s input.

00:38:22.180 --> 00:38:23.760
Why would a cat do that?

00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:28.360
All right, there was a brother
who lived out in the \'80s,

00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:31.540
I think, it was
85th to be exact.

00:38:31.540 --> 00:38:36.040
Had a late model
car, moved downtown.

00:38:36.040 --> 00:38:39.100
He went downtown yesterday
evening, last night very late,

00:38:39.100 --> 00:38:42.160
parked his car around on Wabash.

00:38:42.160 --> 00:38:46.531
Walked around State Street
poured gas all over his self

00:38:46.531 --> 00:38:48.335
and stuck a match to his self.

00:38:48.335 --> 00:38:49.580
Huh?

00:38:49.580 --> 00:38:50.770
How do you feel about it?

00:38:50.770 --> 00:38:52.522
Would you say he\'s a damn fool?

00:38:52.522 --> 00:38:54.230
I mean, what would
you say about the cat?

00:38:54.230 --> 00:38:57.915
What was his program
from your observations?

00:38:57.915 --> 00:38:59.962
Well, see-- [LAUGHS] I
don\'t really know, man.

00:38:59.962 --> 00:39:00.795
I don\'t really know.

00:39:00.795 --> 00:39:02.160
You know--

00:39:02.160 --> 00:39:03.830
Well, now that I\'m
aware of the fact

00:39:03.830 --> 00:39:06.730
that he was black, which I was
not before, I\'m really shocked.

00:39:06.730 --> 00:39:08.030
Well, it got through.

00:39:08.030 --> 00:39:11.140
Well, so he was black, he
was blacker than he was.

00:39:11.140 --> 00:39:13.155
I mean, but now that I am--

00:39:13.155 --> 00:39:14.670
[LAUGHING]

00:39:14.670 --> 00:39:16.450


00:39:16.450 --> 00:39:19.710
I mean, now that I\'m aware of
the fact that he was black,

00:39:19.710 --> 00:39:21.450
I\'m rather shocked.

00:39:21.450 --> 00:39:23.060
See, because there
was a time you

00:39:23.060 --> 00:39:25.060
would very rarely hear
of a black person killing

00:39:25.060 --> 00:39:25.593
themselves.

00:39:25.593 --> 00:39:27.760
I mean, whites, they been
running around jumping out

00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:28.750
of windows for years.

00:39:28.750 --> 00:39:31.420
They used to say that niggas
was scared to kill themselves.

00:39:31.420 --> 00:39:34.460
They wait for a
white man to do it.

00:39:34.460 --> 00:39:38.140
Living is more-- it would be
like I\'d be obtaining wisdom

00:39:38.140 --> 00:39:39.250
as I lived.

00:39:39.250 --> 00:39:40.830
So you think that\'s a cop out?

00:39:40.830 --> 00:39:41.515
Yes.

00:39:41.515 --> 00:39:43.365
Who agree or disagree
with this cat?

00:39:43.365 --> 00:39:45.518
Is death a cop out?

00:39:45.518 --> 00:39:47.310
Now, y\'all might wanna
change [INAUDIBLE]..

00:39:47.310 --> 00:39:48.483
No, no.

00:39:48.483 --> 00:39:49.900
You know, it\'s
only a cop out when

00:39:49.900 --> 00:39:52.462
you [INAUDIBLE] to the
point that, you know,

00:39:52.462 --> 00:39:53.420
you can\'t deal with it.

00:39:53.420 --> 00:39:56.270
You\'re saying death with
a purpose is all right.

00:39:56.270 --> 00:39:56.770
Yeah.

00:39:56.770 --> 00:39:58.950
You\'re saying death
is no good any kind

00:39:58.950 --> 00:40:02.340
of way you get it, right?

00:40:02.340 --> 00:40:04.930
So you expect to get
out of life alive?

00:40:04.930 --> 00:40:06.410
I mean, wait a minute.

00:40:06.410 --> 00:40:07.661
You using words on me, man

00:40:07.661 --> 00:40:09.465
[LAUGHING]

00:40:09.465 --> 00:40:11.300
I was just talking
about where we at.

00:40:11.300 --> 00:40:13.480
You know, do we all know
exactly what death is

00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:15.020
and how we deal with it?

00:40:15.020 --> 00:40:15.970
No.

00:40:15.970 --> 00:40:18.280
People who use death
as a cop out, I mean,

00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:21.060
use death to bring
a purpose across,

00:40:21.060 --> 00:40:22.310
I don\'t think that\'s any good.

00:40:22.310 --> 00:40:25.540
I think that\'s a
cop out, you know?

00:40:25.540 --> 00:40:29.085
You know, as long as they
try during that life time,

00:40:29.085 --> 00:40:33.090
as long as they\'re trying,
they can, you know, deal.

00:40:33.090 --> 00:40:35.420
OK, question, was
Malcolm a cop out?

00:40:35.420 --> 00:40:39.556


00:40:39.556 --> 00:40:40.620
Explain.

00:40:40.620 --> 00:40:42.662
Malcolm was assassinated, man.

00:40:42.662 --> 00:40:44.670
Hey, but, like, what made
him get assassinated?

00:40:44.670 --> 00:40:45.990
His views.

00:40:45.990 --> 00:40:50.260
I\'m asking you this,
was that a cop out?

00:40:50.260 --> 00:40:51.430
No, it wasn\'t a cop out.

00:40:51.430 --> 00:40:51.880
It wasn\'t a cop out.

00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:53.240
Couldn\'t have been a cop out.

00:40:53.240 --> 00:40:54.500
I mean, that\'s what
this man believed.

00:40:54.500 --> 00:40:55.240
It was a cop out?

00:40:55.240 --> 00:40:56.970
I mean, he expected
to die, all right?

00:40:56.970 --> 00:40:58.410
No, he didn\'t.

00:40:58.410 --> 00:40:59.410
He didn\'t expect to die?

00:40:59.410 --> 00:40:59.910
No, no.

00:40:59.910 --> 00:41:01.580
Did he expect to
die or didn\'t he?

00:41:01.580 --> 00:41:02.420
No, I--

00:41:02.420 --> 00:41:03.270
You said he did.

00:41:03.270 --> 00:41:04.645
Yeah, I think he
expected to die.

00:41:04.645 --> 00:41:05.220
OK.

00:41:05.220 --> 00:41:07.240
Who say he did?

00:41:07.240 --> 00:41:08.050
I didn\'t.

00:41:08.050 --> 00:41:09.190
You say he didn\'t.

00:41:09.190 --> 00:41:10.820
He wanted to live and--

00:41:10.820 --> 00:41:12.860
What about King?

00:41:12.860 --> 00:41:13.860
I don\'t know about King.

00:41:13.860 --> 00:41:15.280
He expected to die.

00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:16.210
He expected to go?

00:41:16.210 --> 00:41:17.405
I think he did.

00:41:17.405 --> 00:41:18.820
With that sermon
on the mountain?

00:41:18.820 --> 00:41:19.320
Yeah.

00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:20.890
Yeah, I think he did.

00:41:20.890 --> 00:41:23.250
The physical part of him
died, not the, you know,

00:41:23.250 --> 00:41:25.850
the intellectual part of
him, you know, his values,

00:41:25.850 --> 00:41:26.870
they didn\'t die.

00:41:26.870 --> 00:41:29.227
But the physical Malcolm died.

00:41:29.227 --> 00:41:30.060
See what I\'m saying?

00:41:30.060 --> 00:41:31.210
I hear what you\'re saying.

00:41:31.210 --> 00:41:32.293
I got no problems with it.

00:41:32.293 --> 00:41:35.020
Which one was more important?

00:41:35.020 --> 00:41:37.090
I think his ideas
and his, you know,

00:41:37.090 --> 00:41:40.350
his values are more important
than his physical self.

00:41:40.350 --> 00:41:42.400
Is it because Malcolm
was a special person

00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:47.100
or when any person dies
and he leaves behind ideas,

00:41:47.100 --> 00:41:50.890
does that mean that
he hasn\'t really died

00:41:50.890 --> 00:41:54.083
or does it depend on how
well we as individuals accept

00:41:54.083 --> 00:41:55.750
that person\'s ideas
as to whether or not

00:41:55.750 --> 00:41:56.965
he lives or dies?

00:41:56.965 --> 00:42:00.310
Well, look here,
man, like, you know,

00:42:00.310 --> 00:42:03.420
everybody isn\'t smart enough--
no, I don\'t mean smart enough,

00:42:03.420 --> 00:42:06.042
everybody, you
know, isn\'t that--

00:42:06.042 --> 00:42:07.750
You know what I\'m
trying to say, in order

00:42:07.750 --> 00:42:10.760
to effect other people
to believe in ideas.

00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:12.490
But in answer to
your question though,

00:42:12.490 --> 00:42:15.070
I believe that, you know,
a man\'s ideas, you know,

00:42:15.070 --> 00:42:17.890
are more important
than his physical self.

00:42:17.890 --> 00:42:21.160
Question, make a comparison,
anybody, between this cat

00:42:21.160 --> 00:42:22.330
JC and Malcolm.

00:42:22.330 --> 00:42:27.898


00:42:27.898 --> 00:42:29.340
[INAUDIBLE] today?

00:42:29.340 --> 00:42:30.590
We\'re gonna go by the school.

00:42:30.590 --> 00:42:33.004
They\'re planning a strike.

00:42:33.004 --> 00:42:35.087
They\'re planning a walk-out,
most of the students.

00:42:35.087 --> 00:42:36.578
Yeah.

00:42:36.578 --> 00:42:41.548
[JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING]

00:42:41.548 --> 00:43:41.188


00:43:41.188 --> 00:43:45.661
[CHATTER]

00:43:45.661 --> 00:43:58.583


00:43:58.583 --> 00:44:02.570
[INAUDIBLE] had this to say this
morning on the Chicago School

00:44:02.570 --> 00:44:03.380
Crisis.

00:44:03.380 --> 00:44:07.310
We at Operation PUSH oppose a
teacher\'s strike at this time.

00:44:07.310 --> 00:44:08.980
The opposition to
the teacher\'s strike

00:44:08.980 --> 00:44:12.010
is not based upon the
facts or the realization

00:44:12.010 --> 00:44:15.460
that teachers are deserving of
higher pay and better working

00:44:15.460 --> 00:44:18.700
conditions, but rather it is
based upon the proposition

00:44:18.700 --> 00:44:20.997
that a strike at
this time will cut

00:44:20.997 --> 00:44:23.442
at the very heart of
the school system.

00:44:23.442 --> 00:44:26.865
That is, it is detrimental
to our school children.

00:44:26.865 --> 00:44:29.799
We at Operation PUSH
are pledging ourselves

00:44:29.799 --> 00:44:32.244
to do everything
within our local power

00:44:32.244 --> 00:44:35.860
to keep our schools going and
the educational opportunity

00:44:35.860 --> 00:44:38.020
adequate for our children.

00:44:38.020 --> 00:44:40.090
That\'s Attorney Tom Todd.

00:44:40.090 --> 00:44:42.850
Meanwhile, State School
Superintendent Michael Bakalis

00:44:42.850 --> 00:44:45.460
says the Illinois General
Assembly has the power

00:44:45.460 --> 00:44:48.295
to stop the Chicago teachers
strike scheduled for Thursday.

00:44:48.295 --> 00:44:52.981


00:44:52.981 --> 00:44:54.750
They don\'t want us
to learn nothing.

00:44:54.750 --> 00:44:55.250
All right!

00:44:55.250 --> 00:44:55.676
All right!

00:44:55.676 --> 00:44:56.176
All right!

00:44:56.176 --> 00:44:57.380
--dealing with this shit.

00:44:57.380 --> 00:44:59.095
They [BLEEP] with the seniors.

00:44:59.095 --> 00:45:00.720
Sophomores and the
Juniors are not even

00:45:00.720 --> 00:45:01.875
gonna get their credit.

00:45:01.875 --> 00:45:02.375
[INAUDIBLE]

00:45:02.375 --> 00:45:03.708
[BLEEP]

00:45:03.708 --> 00:45:04.416
everyone over. [?

00:45:04.416 --> 00:45:04.850
But I\'m talking
about our home. ?]

00:45:04.850 --> 00:45:06.335
Hey, you better cut that off.

00:45:06.335 --> 00:45:10.790
[JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING]

00:45:10.790 --> 00:45:16.235


00:45:16.235 --> 00:45:17.225
Hey, be cool.

00:45:17.225 --> 00:45:18.215
Hey, be cool.

00:45:18.215 --> 00:45:21.680


00:45:21.680 --> 00:45:24.155
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey!

00:45:24.155 --> 00:45:28.115
[CHATTER]

00:45:28.115 --> 00:45:35.540


00:45:35.540 --> 00:45:39.005
[LAUGHING]

00:45:39.005 --> 00:45:44.450


00:45:44.450 --> 00:45:46.503
[INAUDIBLE] Garcia.

00:45:46.503 --> 00:45:47.420
Make sure you get him.

00:45:47.420 --> 00:45:48.876
Because you know [INAUDIBLE].

00:45:48.876 --> 00:45:51.852


00:45:51.852 --> 00:45:53.340
Hey!

00:45:53.340 --> 00:45:57.804
[CHEERING]

00:45:57.804 --> 00:46:00.780


00:46:00.780 --> 00:46:02.764
Let\'s behave, OK, guys?

00:46:02.764 --> 00:46:04.252
[HOLLERING]

00:46:04.252 --> 00:46:05.740
Peace!

00:46:05.740 --> 00:46:07.228
Peace!

00:46:07.228 --> 00:46:09.230
Peace!

00:46:09.230 --> 00:46:11.787
Like I said, you would have
never won that fight, man.

00:46:11.787 --> 00:46:13.370
Those pigs just
wanted to get a chance

00:46:13.370 --> 00:46:14.610
to crack somebody\'s head.

00:46:14.610 --> 00:46:15.110
And--

00:46:15.110 --> 00:46:15.490
Right.

00:46:15.490 --> 00:46:17.470
So don\'t ever fight a
fight you can\'t win, man.

00:46:17.470 --> 00:46:18.928
Like, that wouldn\'t
have been cool.

00:46:18.928 --> 00:46:20.235
[INAUDIBLE]

00:46:20.235 --> 00:46:22.160
We want to use a
little bit of s--

00:46:22.160 --> 00:46:23.778
everybody like to
be a winner, right?

00:46:23.778 --> 00:46:25.570
\'Cause I would hate to
see you sitting down

00:46:25.570 --> 00:46:28.210
at [INAUDIBLE] with your head
bleeding, talking about, man.

00:46:28.210 --> 00:46:29.200
And Louis wouldn\'t have
even done it to you.

00:46:29.200 --> 00:46:29.780
They\'d have did it.

00:46:29.780 --> 00:46:30.780
They\'d have [INAUDIBLE].

00:46:30.780 --> 00:46:32.780
[INAUDIBLE] camera [INAUDIBLE].

00:46:32.780 --> 00:46:37.610
I\'d say we worked hard to
get this church where it is.

00:46:37.610 --> 00:46:40.150
And will you please
supervise those children,

00:46:40.150 --> 00:46:42.310
but I don\'t have nothing
against him coming there.

00:46:42.310 --> 00:46:46.770
But one thing I
dislike about him,

00:46:46.770 --> 00:46:49.580
he teaches [? \'em ?] black.

00:46:49.580 --> 00:46:51.780
He believes enough in
what he\'s doing, I think,

00:46:51.780 --> 00:46:55.220
to stand up for himself.

00:46:55.220 --> 00:46:56.950
He feels secure
enough in himself

00:46:56.950 --> 00:47:00.042
in that he\'s not
easily intimidated.

00:47:00.042 --> 00:47:03.410
Do you feel secure?

00:47:03.410 --> 00:47:04.970
Yeah, I feel secure.

00:47:04.970 --> 00:47:06.270
Well, I think--

00:47:06.270 --> 00:47:07.130
I think yes.

00:47:07.130 --> 00:47:10.190


00:47:10.190 --> 00:47:13.742
I\'m betting that he\'s sincere.

00:47:13.742 --> 00:47:15.150
[INAUDIBLE]

00:47:15.150 --> 00:47:16.530
Yeah.

00:47:16.530 --> 00:47:17.850
And he knows that I am.

00:47:17.850 --> 00:47:24.060
So if I\'m being labored under
misapprehension or something

00:47:24.060 --> 00:47:31.330
like that, he knows that I
suppose that I would recommend

00:47:31.330 --> 00:47:34.888
that it be terminated.

00:47:34.888 --> 00:47:35.388
Yeah.

00:47:35.388 --> 00:47:38.933


00:47:38.933 --> 00:47:46.240
(SINGING) We are
climbing Jacob\'s ladder.

00:47:46.240 --> 00:47:53.122
We are climbing Jacob\'s Ladder.

00:47:53.122 --> 00:48:00.108
We are climbing Jacob\'s ladder.

00:48:00.108 --> 00:48:06.100
Soldier of the cross.

00:48:06.100 --> 00:48:13.130
Every round goes higher higher.

00:48:13.130 --> 00:48:20.160
Every round goes higher higher.

00:48:20.160 --> 00:48:32.420
Every round goes higher
higher Soldier of the cross.

00:48:32.420 --> 00:48:39.050
OK, now we have another
item here to be disposed of.

00:48:39.050 --> 00:48:45.800
And that is the youth
ministry, the youth ministry.

00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:49.656
[INAUDIBLE] on this
youth ministry?

00:48:49.656 --> 00:48:51.078
May I say [INAUDIBLE]?

00:48:51.078 --> 00:48:52.500
Yeah.

00:48:52.500 --> 00:48:57.520
As I see it, if the youth
ministry had a set up,

00:48:57.520 --> 00:48:59.230
now maybe parents
can\'t be involved,

00:48:59.230 --> 00:49:02.330
but these young people are
responsible young people.

00:49:02.330 --> 00:49:05.640
If you could have a setup
similar to what the daycare

00:49:05.640 --> 00:49:09.780
center has, I think
it would operate well.

00:49:09.780 --> 00:49:12.502
I think these young people often
know that we\'re interested.

00:49:12.502 --> 00:49:13.710
I mean, we\'ve all been young.

00:49:13.710 --> 00:49:17.152
You know, we\'ve all faced
problems like you\'re facing.

00:49:17.152 --> 00:49:19.620
And we had to grow up.

00:49:19.620 --> 00:49:21.868
And our generation ahead,
we listened to you.

00:49:21.868 --> 00:49:23.910
And we wanted you to listen
to some of the things

00:49:23.910 --> 00:49:25.660
that we have to say.

00:49:25.660 --> 00:49:29.040
I can see our
serving young people.

00:49:29.040 --> 00:49:32.112
I came up in a church
that served young people.

00:49:32.112 --> 00:49:37.410
But I can\'t see why you have
to destroy some of the things

00:49:37.410 --> 00:49:38.280
that we have here.

00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:40.110
I mean, it\'s taken
a lot for us to get

00:49:40.110 --> 00:49:42.170
these musical instruments.

00:49:42.170 --> 00:49:44.090
I looked at the one
in fellowship hall

00:49:44.090 --> 00:49:47.792
and shuddered the other
Sunday, all pulled apart.

00:49:47.792 --> 00:49:50.190
We we want you to
feel that we love you.

00:49:50.190 --> 00:49:54.030
You are ours and
our responsibility.

00:49:54.030 --> 00:49:56.010
I remember attending
the Pan American

00:49:56.010 --> 00:50:01.290
Games some few years ago and
the torch that\'s carried--

00:50:01.290 --> 00:50:03.725
so we want to hand
you our torch.

00:50:03.725 --> 00:50:06.150
It may not be burning too
brightly, but that is up to you

00:50:06.150 --> 00:50:08.592
to keep it burning.

00:50:08.592 --> 00:50:12.900
All I would say
was like, on what

00:50:12.900 --> 00:50:15.360
she said, since I don\'t
know your name, you know--

00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:16.780
Ms. Picket.

00:50:16.780 --> 00:50:17.490
Miss who?

00:50:17.490 --> 00:50:18.100
[? Picket. ?]

00:50:18.100 --> 00:50:22.530
Ms. Picket said, on the
just destruction thing,

00:50:22.530 --> 00:50:26.340
I mean, like, I can understand
you being concerned about it,

00:50:26.340 --> 00:50:29.040
but like now recently we\'ve
been cutting down on that,

00:50:29.040 --> 00:50:31.170
I think very considerable.

00:50:31.170 --> 00:50:32.600
Because of our
screening process,

00:50:32.600 --> 00:50:34.880
you know, like, whenever
you start out on,

00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:38.400
whenever you venture forth
on some project, whatever

00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:40.950
it may be, you\'re gonna
have some fall backs,

00:50:40.950 --> 00:50:44.310
some kind of something
to hold you back awhile.

00:50:44.310 --> 00:50:49.370
The problem nowadays is there\'s
too much adult supervision.

00:50:49.370 --> 00:50:54.210
For the point that, you
know, the only person anybody

00:50:54.210 --> 00:50:58.050
would relate to is someone
of their own age bracket

00:50:58.050 --> 00:51:00.180
or category.

00:51:00.180 --> 00:51:03.390
If he makes a mistake,
somebody sees his mistake,

00:51:03.390 --> 00:51:07.440
he would go ahead and go up
and correct him on the mistake.

00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.670
In other words, we are
going to learn together.

00:51:10.670 --> 00:51:13.830
He is still teaching
the class, but he sees

00:51:13.830 --> 00:51:15.960
that he has made a mistake.

00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:18.430
Like, older people
have made mistakes.

00:51:18.430 --> 00:51:19.980
But like, due to
the fact that they

00:51:19.980 --> 00:51:25.000
have certain millions of years
experience in that one field,

00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:27.380
you know, like, it gets--

00:51:27.380 --> 00:51:30.780
it gets, you know, like,
if somebody comes up to him

00:51:30.780 --> 00:51:32.798
with something
new and different,

00:51:32.798 --> 00:51:34.590
you know, like, no,
you can\'t tell me this.

00:51:34.590 --> 00:51:38.260
I have so many years on
this thing ahead of you.

00:51:38.260 --> 00:51:39.300
This board meeting was--

00:51:39.300 --> 00:51:41.610
All right, what was
the agenda for tonight?

00:51:41.610 --> 00:51:42.960
To see which one goes--

00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.540
the daycare or the
evening program.

00:51:45.540 --> 00:51:46.560
No.

00:51:46.560 --> 00:51:47.070
No, no.

00:51:47.070 --> 00:51:47.530
What was it?

00:51:47.530 --> 00:51:47.970
What was [INAUDIBLE]?

00:51:47.970 --> 00:51:49.860
[INAUDIBLE] We were
just discussing

00:51:49.860 --> 00:51:52.450
the merits of both programs.

00:51:52.450 --> 00:51:55.000
We\'re not discussing dism--

00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:55.847
[INAUDIBLE]

00:51:55.847 --> 00:51:56.930
You know, like, whatever--

00:51:56.930 --> 00:51:58.070
[INAUDIBLE]

00:51:58.070 --> 00:52:00.030
Whatever you\'re doing
with the program,

00:52:00.030 --> 00:52:03.600
you cannot really judge
it, give it merit,

00:52:03.600 --> 00:52:07.430
or anything else unless
you know what\'s going on.

00:52:07.430 --> 00:52:10.440
What we are about is living.

00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:12.768
You know, and the whole
plan is living together.

00:52:12.768 --> 00:52:15.060
Well, we want to thank
everybody for their expressions.

00:52:15.060 --> 00:52:19.950
We want to get
everybody\'s opinion.

00:52:19.950 --> 00:52:22.890
You see, that\'s what we\'re here
for, just to get your opinion

00:52:22.890 --> 00:52:25.355
and see how you feel
about the program.

00:52:25.355 --> 00:52:27.078
Mr. Phillips?

00:52:27.078 --> 00:52:28.620
So if you wanted to
rate our program,

00:52:28.620 --> 00:52:30.040
I think I agree with Luther.

00:52:30.040 --> 00:52:33.180
You have yet to explore
the [INAUDIBLE]..

00:52:33.180 --> 00:52:35.760
So how can you use the
old status of rating it.

00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:36.930
It becomes sort of offset.

00:52:36.930 --> 00:52:41.300
You can\'t use the yardstick
that applies to an era of wheels

00:52:41.300 --> 00:52:44.070
when we\'re talking about an
era of air and jet and space.

00:52:44.070 --> 00:52:46.240
And I\'m saying that
sometimes this whole logic

00:52:46.240 --> 00:52:48.390
that we try to apply
to this new age

00:52:48.390 --> 00:52:52.320
based upon the old rule kind of
mentality becomes a conflict.

00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:55.350
Because in an urban situation,
it\'s anti what you\'re trying

00:52:55.350 --> 00:52:56.230
[INAUDIBLE] here.

00:52:56.230 --> 00:52:59.270
If you know that the rebellion
of the youth against the old,

00:52:59.270 --> 00:53:00.645
they\'re saying
that you have been

00:53:00.645 --> 00:53:01.940
the one that have endorsed war.

00:53:01.940 --> 00:53:03.540
You have been the
ones that have let

00:53:03.540 --> 00:53:04.870
drugs escalate to this point.

00:53:04.870 --> 00:53:06.787
You have been the ones
that all the vices that

00:53:06.787 --> 00:53:10.200
are available to us accumulate
by your, first of all,

00:53:10.200 --> 00:53:12.690
lack of understanding of
your growing environment.

00:53:12.690 --> 00:53:14.190
So what we have a
challenge is, when

00:53:14.190 --> 00:53:16.680
you say are these youth
challenging our knowledge?

00:53:16.680 --> 00:53:18.720
No, they\'re
challenging the record.

00:53:18.720 --> 00:53:19.970
So they\'re dealing with facts.

00:53:19.970 --> 00:53:21.900
They\'re factual kind of people.

00:53:21.900 --> 00:53:25.950
And unfortunately, in the
past, the past has always been,

00:53:25.950 --> 00:53:29.100
I call it reactionary,
they react to issues.

00:53:29.100 --> 00:53:31.058
Whereas here, what
we\'re trying to do,

00:53:31.058 --> 00:53:32.850
we\'re trying to deal
with the causes rather

00:53:32.850 --> 00:53:34.065
than the issues of things.

00:53:34.065 --> 00:53:35.490
In other words,
rather than saying

00:53:35.490 --> 00:53:36.840
we\'re gonna build a
jail to corral people,

00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:38.328
we\'re saying let\'s
look at the law.

00:53:38.328 --> 00:53:39.870
Why do we have to
put people in jail?

00:53:39.870 --> 00:53:44.280
Rather than us saying would
you keep the place spotless,

00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:47.150
we\'re saying, let\'s see why the
[INAUDIBLE] person leaves home

00:53:47.150 --> 00:53:51.240
without the mentality
of [INAUDIBLE]..

00:53:51.240 --> 00:53:51.740
[INAUDIBLE]

00:53:51.740 --> 00:53:54.040
You must have had a busy week.

00:53:54.040 --> 00:53:54.830
Oh, I did.

00:53:54.830 --> 00:53:56.712
I did.

00:53:56.712 --> 00:53:58.640
Is this your first
time in Chicago?

00:53:58.640 --> 00:54:04.170
No, I was here in November
for the National Committee

00:54:04.170 --> 00:54:05.420
of Black Churchmen Convention.

00:54:05.420 --> 00:54:05.680
Oh.

00:54:05.680 --> 00:54:06.755
Oh, you were out there?

00:54:06.755 --> 00:54:08.150
Uh-huh.

00:54:08.150 --> 00:54:12.047
And stayed at [INAUDIBLE].

00:54:12.047 --> 00:54:14.130
I didn\'t get a chance to
see too much of the city,

00:54:14.130 --> 00:54:17.610
though, going to all of
the various meetings.

00:54:17.610 --> 00:54:22.410
Well, do you see any
parallels between what

00:54:22.410 --> 00:54:25.285
we\'re attempting to do
here in Chicago, that

00:54:25.285 --> 00:54:27.570
would be adaptable, in
one way or the other,

00:54:27.570 --> 00:54:31.415
with the situation that
you find in Spartanburg?

00:54:31.415 --> 00:54:33.980
I had saw the kind
of counseling session

00:54:33.980 --> 00:54:38.720
in Spartanburg where for
about five hours on Saturday,

00:54:38.720 --> 00:54:40.760
I would just stay in the church.

00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:42.503
And if any of the
young people had

00:54:42.503 --> 00:54:44.170
anything they wanted
to talk about, they

00:54:44.170 --> 00:54:46.130
they just dropped by.

00:54:46.130 --> 00:54:50.690
And from there, it
blossomed into a seven day

00:54:50.690 --> 00:54:51.875
a week program.

00:54:51.875 --> 00:54:54.470
It lasted for about
a week and a half.

00:54:54.470 --> 00:54:57.580
Because we came
up with a budget,

00:54:57.580 --> 00:55:02.090
excuse me, and presented
it to the church.

00:55:02.090 --> 00:55:05.380
And all of the kids
were full of goodwill

00:55:05.380 --> 00:55:08.750
and, you know, once we
get the budget passed,

00:55:08.750 --> 00:55:10.640
we can really start working.

00:55:10.640 --> 00:55:13.460
And then we found out that
there simply was not--

00:55:13.460 --> 00:55:15.040
the money simply did not exist.

00:55:15.040 --> 00:55:16.580
The money was not there.

00:55:16.580 --> 00:55:19.070
The average local
black congregation

00:55:19.070 --> 00:55:21.300
does not have the money.

00:55:21.300 --> 00:55:23.660
Therefore, you\'ve got
to find outside sources

00:55:23.660 --> 00:55:26.240
such as our situation here.

00:55:26.240 --> 00:55:29.390
We have some of these
programs funded,

00:55:29.390 --> 00:55:32.450
but the local
congregation has to be

00:55:32.450 --> 00:55:35.870
responsible for the
operation of the building

00:55:35.870 --> 00:55:43.190
itself, the lights, the gas, all
the other housekeeping chores

00:55:43.190 --> 00:55:47.130
which are very, very
expensive operations.

00:55:47.130 --> 00:55:51.470
Somebody has to face the
congregation [? monthly ?]

00:55:51.470 --> 00:55:58.580
and somehow try to get them
sympathetic toward the program,

00:55:58.580 --> 00:55:59.862
to understand it.

00:55:59.862 --> 00:56:01.320
And that falls upon
your shoulders.

00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:02.720
And that falls
upon my shoulders,

00:56:02.720 --> 00:56:06.470
see, to somehow
stand between what

00:56:06.470 --> 00:56:12.470
we are doing programmatically
and keeping that program

00:56:12.470 --> 00:56:14.860
a viable program in itself.

00:56:14.860 --> 00:56:17.545


00:56:17.545 --> 00:56:19.170
Those are things
you\'ll discover if you

00:56:19.170 --> 00:56:20.730
go to church [INAUDIBLE].

00:56:20.730 --> 00:56:28.600
I\'m beginning to discover
that the ministry is not

00:56:28.600 --> 00:56:30.110
the utopia I once
thought it was.

00:56:30.110 --> 00:56:50.364


00:56:50.364 --> 00:56:53.535
Suppose somebody had called
you black 40 years ago.

00:56:53.535 --> 00:56:56.940
Suppose somebody had to
call you black 25 years ago.

00:56:56.940 --> 00:57:00.420
We the Nation of Islam
are going to employ

00:57:00.420 --> 00:57:02.573
all black people in America.

00:57:02.573 --> 00:57:05.250


00:57:05.250 --> 00:57:08.250
Now, who started teaching
us that we were black?

00:57:08.250 --> 00:57:10.950
All this blackness that
we have going for us,

00:57:10.950 --> 00:57:15.780
you understand, the hairstyle,
the beard, our dress,

00:57:15.780 --> 00:57:18.740
all this black talk,
nation time, right on,

00:57:18.740 --> 00:57:20.490
black, black brothers,
so on and so forth.

00:57:20.490 --> 00:57:23.268
Who started this?

00:57:23.268 --> 00:57:26.040
The Honorable Elijah Muhammad
started it 40 years ago.

00:57:26.040 --> 00:57:26.880
That\'s right.

00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:29.580
Now, this is what the black
religious experience is all

00:57:29.580 --> 00:57:30.870
about.

00:57:30.870 --> 00:57:32.970
This is the religion
that brought us

00:57:32.970 --> 00:57:38.580
through 244 years of
slavery and over another 100

00:57:38.580 --> 00:57:41.490
years of racism and oppression.

00:57:41.490 --> 00:57:45.010
In fact, this is the
old time religion.

00:57:45.010 --> 00:57:50.040
This is the religion that ma
and pa used to talk about.

00:57:50.040 --> 00:57:54.600
This is the religion that
gave birth to black theology.

00:57:54.600 --> 00:57:58.770
And if black theology
is going to survive,

00:57:58.770 --> 00:58:05.300
then it is on this religion
that it must theologize.

00:58:05.300 --> 00:58:07.968
Where did that black, but
where did that black come from?

00:58:07.968 --> 00:58:09.260
Where did that black come from?

00:58:09.260 --> 00:58:10.410
Who taught us that
we were black?

00:58:10.410 --> 00:58:12.000
The Honorable Elijah
Muhammad taught us that we--

00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:12.750
When did he start?

00:58:12.750 --> 00:58:14.052
When?

00:58:14.052 --> 00:58:14.960
When?

00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:15.850
When did he start?

00:58:15.850 --> 00:58:16.600
When did he start?

00:58:16.600 --> 00:58:17.110
No problem.

00:58:17.110 --> 00:58:17.880
When did he start?

00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:18.120
No problem.

00:58:18.120 --> 00:58:18.596
When?

00:58:18.596 --> 00:58:19.072
Tell us.

00:58:19.072 --> 00:58:19.572
When?

00:58:19.572 --> 00:58:24.860
19-- in the \'30s,
approximately 1933.

00:58:24.860 --> 00:58:26.953
[INAUDIBLE] was around
doing the same thing.

00:58:26.953 --> 00:58:28.620
That\'s right, he just
wasn\'t that known.

00:58:28.620 --> 00:58:31.062
And he was on the color black.

00:58:31.062 --> 00:58:33.420
He was doing the same thing.

00:58:33.420 --> 00:58:36.960
And only those who
have been caught up

00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:39.540
in the black
religious experience

00:58:39.540 --> 00:58:43.080
can truly sing what
the hymn-writer,

00:58:43.080 --> 00:58:50.850
\"my hope is built on nothing
less than Jesus\' blood

00:58:50.850 --> 00:58:53.310
and righteousness.

00:58:53.310 --> 00:58:55.890
I dare not trust
the sweetest rain,

00:58:55.890 --> 00:58:59.256
but only lean on Jesus name.

00:58:59.256 --> 00:59:04.180
On Christ the son and rock
I stand All other ground

00:59:04.180 --> 00:59:06.440
is sinking sand.

00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:08.660
Why is it that
everybody in America

00:59:08.660 --> 00:59:11.710
is talking about the
Honorable Elijah Mohammad?

00:59:11.710 --> 00:59:12.560
Hm?

00:59:12.560 --> 00:59:15.018
Why is it we can stand up here
and speak the name Mohammad,

00:59:15.018 --> 00:59:17.018
and right away everybody\'s
got something to say.

00:59:17.018 --> 00:59:19.910
They might not be for him, they
might very well be against him.

00:59:19.910 --> 00:59:22.294
Why is he so controversial?

00:59:22.294 --> 00:59:23.210
Hm?

00:59:23.210 --> 00:59:26.210
Why is he able to
evoke so much emotion?

00:59:26.210 --> 00:59:27.530
Huh?

00:59:27.530 --> 00:59:29.660
Why is he able to
arouse so much in us?

00:59:29.660 --> 00:59:30.560
And both you and I--

00:59:30.560 --> 00:59:31.640
[INTERPOSING VOICES]

00:59:31.640 --> 00:59:33.050
He\'s not the only one.

00:59:33.050 --> 00:59:34.570
I have known plenty
other prophets

00:59:34.570 --> 00:59:36.290
in America today
who [? involve ?]

00:59:36.290 --> 00:59:37.040
a lot of emotion--

00:59:37.040 --> 00:59:39.040
Lester, you still haven\'t
answered his question.

00:59:39.040 --> 00:59:39.770
--and resentment.

00:59:39.770 --> 00:59:41.420
Well, OK, I\'m not saying--

00:59:41.420 --> 00:59:44.420
I\'m not saying that
there\'s anything

00:59:44.420 --> 00:59:47.300
wrong with the honorable
Elijah Muhammad.

00:59:47.300 --> 00:59:50.228
I\'m asking, because I
really want to know,

00:59:50.228 --> 00:59:52.270
is there anything wrong
with my being a Christian

00:59:52.270 --> 00:59:53.245
or trying to be one?

00:59:53.245 --> 00:59:59.530


00:59:59.530 --> 01:00:08.200
By nature, all black men,
women, children in America

01:00:08.200 --> 01:00:10.090
are Muslims.

01:00:10.090 --> 01:00:15.820
You see, you see long before
Karl Barth came up with his

01:00:15.820 --> 01:00:21.730
dialectical theology,
our forefathers Richard

01:00:21.730 --> 01:00:27.210
[? Allen, ?] Daniel Payne,
Gabriel [? Prasa, ?] Nat

01:00:27.210 --> 01:00:32.050
Turner, they had already
declared that God is everything

01:00:32.050 --> 01:00:35.174
that you and I are not.

01:00:35.174 --> 01:00:38.050
Mm-mm, it\'s not too late
for us to get together.

01:00:38.050 --> 01:00:39.940
We talking about
brotherhood of all men.

01:00:39.940 --> 01:00:42.465
We don\'t even have
brotherhood among ourselves.

01:00:42.465 --> 01:00:43.840
And the honorable
Elijah Muhammad

01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:47.170
is the only man who has been
able to produce brotherhood

01:00:47.170 --> 01:00:48.110
among black people.

01:00:48.110 --> 01:00:50.640
[INAUDIBLE]

01:00:50.640 --> 01:00:51.167
Why not--

01:00:51.167 --> 01:00:51.750
Now, who else?

01:00:51.750 --> 01:00:53.710
Now, you name me one
other group that you

01:00:53.710 --> 01:00:56.293
can compare to the followers of
the Honorable Elijah Mohammad.

01:00:56.293 --> 01:00:57.910
You see one of us,
you see us all.

01:00:57.910 --> 01:01:00.650
You can spot us a mile away.

01:01:00.650 --> 01:01:02.420
[INAUDIBLE]

01:01:02.420 --> 01:01:03.830
Don\'t [? shit on ?] me, man.

01:01:03.830 --> 01:01:05.890
[INAUDIBLE]

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We don\'t never become mystics.

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And that\'s because we
refuse to retire from life.

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We must see reality
here and now as it is.

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Our sense of reality
is just too great

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for that kind of a carrying
on, to be mystics and existing

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in a world that doesn\'t
have a point of contact

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with this world.

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For too many black
people are starving

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to death, while crackers are
walking around on the moon

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[? for ?] that kind
of carrying on.

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Too many senators are
receiving hundreds of thousands

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of dollars a year, like
Senator Eastman in Mississippi.

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Not to grow grain on his
farm while black children

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in that same state are
growing up mentally retarded

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because of malnutrition.

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We can\'t become so
mysterious and so mystical

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that we forget about
the realities of life.

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One of the things I
like about my Jesus

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is that he was a man who did
not [INAUDIBLE] lose sight

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on reality down here.

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So that when he met a man
who was hungry, he fed him.

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When he met a man who
was sick, he healed him.

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When he met a man who was
a social outcast, a nobody,

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he became the man\'s friend.

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So it is, in the black
religious experience,

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if you\'ve had your robe washed
in the blood of the [? lamb, ?]

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if you know something
about my grandmother\'s God,

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then you can\'t cry nothing else
but here am I. Lord, send me.

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Go where you want me to go.

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Do what you want me to do.

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Knock down walls that I didn\'t
think I could knock down.

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Go up against the odds
because a man plus God

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is in the majority.

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That\'s the black
religious experience.

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And that\'s the experience
that we have to preach about

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and that we have to live
in our everyday life.

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It\'s all right now.

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When you give your
life to almighty God,

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let the church say amen.

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Amen.

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Give me that old time religion.

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Give me that old time religion.

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Give me that old time religion.

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It\'s good enough for me.

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Oh, give me that
old time religion.

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Give me that old time religion.

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Give me that old time religion.

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It\'s good enough for me.

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Oh, give me that
old time religion.

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Give me that old time religion.

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Oh, give me that old,
old time religion.

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It\'s good enough for me.

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It was good for our
[? mother ?] and father.

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It was good for our mother
and [? father. ?] It

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was good for our
mother and father.

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And it\'s good enough for me.

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