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Our journey just to call

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out Well you didn\'t follow the instruction we
did anybody should go as impulsive or tool

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It\'s the 16th of August 2012 outside the
London platinum mine America in South Africa

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a 112 striking miners are shot down by police
34 die like many other South Africans.

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The shooting shook me
to the core Events like

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this took me back to the massacres
of apartheid sharp filled

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1960 sweater 1976 killings like
these led South Africans to support

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Nelson Mandela and the struggle for

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freedom but today these miners are being
shot at by a new government to ensure that

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it\'s business as usual we could
see that lives were now being

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sacrificed for money and the young democracy
we had so much hope for was under threat

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This is not a day.

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Talk pushing play it is a day for us
to mourn together as a nation it is

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also a day to start rebuilding and
healing the zaps the only nice to

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advance a situation such as police members had
to employ force to protect themselves from

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the charging port Is
there time for time for

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the sin and death moment we\'ll

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CDN2 the Americana commission

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of inquiry has set for over a year South
Africans watch in a state of shock.

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Half the police being
honest in their account.

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No they have not the big question remains.

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Who sanctioned deobda to use
live ammunition against

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the strikers My name is
Tony inside in February.

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Clear for the following families.

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I mean no king.

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Among them into Formula I will remodel

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peddling Jackson who fight.

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Same root. Show kindness.

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They reach a sub paying for the ceiling the

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Parliament and the need for
us to add to this port

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it my whole life So

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you just say Bob bought a little law for

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this

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morning

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August 2012

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allegedly illegal governing
by rock drum operators.

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It six days before the massacre.

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The mining company London is filming
the miners as I gathered outside

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the mind alone means security guard
reports everything he sees group

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allegedly wants to march the
opposite devoting there\'s

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PQ management with regards to
salary and certain faculty

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to write things up and back up to
see if we can stop the grout also

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writing feedback from senior
management you have regards

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to All relate the crowd
in March the opposite.

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Or walrus top tried to stop the crowd.

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A crowd of rock jewelers meet a march to

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the Longman Management Office they
believe the official majority unions

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the National Union of Mineworkers
are in the pockets of

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management and so they\'ve
decided to take matters into

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their own hands they are joined by workers
from a competing Union Scotland and England.

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A 4 thousand eclipsed magazine of sediment

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and warms and hazardous lacocca later
quadragesimo my leg Laozi Hamas plasma now

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lumens traits So bones are not

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using them I didn\'t Manila mental
pleased to be seated exhibit it does it

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will open that door number.com

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let\'s just do the opposite

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to spineless they treat The prices

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are low density and

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avalanche he says do you
know for I first declared.

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Level all the way

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to go

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They are combined by 15 meters supplements
such as these atoms era but since none doing

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what y la strike So Amanda my pen some Bernada
minute knowledge not for landa demo was

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I\'ll Joe Posner what Fulang
now now mooc how does

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play longer fight about Obama\'s wound
up and ask for lung in Galapagos

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They got for normal concretes although
I thought I would say that most of

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us do not modify that up 400 chain of

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command then I know when I find a plateau.

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But does metadata and of

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those

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products

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Thomas I didn\'t approve.

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But then then who Kovach though to
funds that worked at Apple and it was

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against him chin boy boy your town Favare

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and launching a boy now at
who\'s occupying data pathway

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newborn like on Monday egg and
everybody ends up buffoon

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moment here this is called the Ahmadiyya
and do the hunting boida lab was

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another 90 part and when
Yana and the petiole Jack

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app The average take-home
pay of rock drillers is

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5 thousand South African wrong the equivalent
of 500 Euros dollars this condemns

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them to poverty that he say

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mining companies like Longmen view

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higher wages as the biggest
threat to the continued health of

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the business Longmen is a British company

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which started drilling for platinum in
South Africa 30 years ago it employs

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28 thousand people exporting

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the world\'s most precious metal out
of the country And around the globe.

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The company has spent large sums of money
on a massive program of expansion.

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Leaving it financially vulnerable.

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The prospect of a long strike
was the last thing they wanted.

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We experienced a group of workers
who studied matching from

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the Warner Pop area to us
displays which we call

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LPD These are the people who defined
mining if they don\'t drill.

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There\'s no mining. So if they are
not that web it becomes obvious.

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They matched until the four-way
junction which is a profitability year

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And at that point obviously that\'s
when the security engaged them and at

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no point did this group of employees

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demonstrate they had anything to
present a couple of months previously

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London admit directly with

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that same struck committee to discuss the
grievances yet now they wouldn\'t talk to them

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why

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the

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story of the Americana massacre.

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Would be incomplete.

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Without a close look at the involvement of

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civil ram opposer I had watched him with
admiration He built the largest trade union

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the country had ever seen

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the National Union of
Mineworkers under serums

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leadership Nome Saw the miners
join the fight against apartheid.

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And I took my place marching
side-by-side behind their banner.

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It must be remembered that it was

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the mining industry and specifically
the Chamber of mine which pioneered

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the most oppressive features of

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apartheid South

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Africa

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Mine workers

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have always had to put up with harsh
living and working conditions.

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So Rama posa was determined to change this.

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Under his leadership workers were led into

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mass strikes and direct confrontation
with the white mine owners.

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He was for me a vital and
important person in the birth of

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the new South Africa there\'s no such thing
as a liberal bourgeois they\'re all the same.

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They use fascist levels to destroy workers

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lives He soon became

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a leading member of the African
National Congress and from

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this position joined the Black
economic elite ram opposed.

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Who once or South Africa\'s working class
as a force to bringing about change.

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Now found himself on the other side of
the table at the time as the massacre.

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He was a board member of long mainland.

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We\'ve gone through our waves of
starts and we always have strikes.

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Because we have such a robust
democratic system that allows

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workers to express themselves and
people should never be alarmed.

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This is the South African
way And we need to accept

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that workers will voice
their dissatisfaction.

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Through withdrawing their labour.

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What we are against is that.

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Quite a number of those strikes
have tended to ten violent.

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That is one behavior pattern that
we need to get out of our system

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Ironically the National Union of
Mineworkers num the powerful union which

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saw Arama pose a one-slide was still
the majority Union inside their minds.

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But in the lead up to the long range
strike gnome head refuse to address

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the low wages of their members and
when London management talked to

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workers that they would only negotiate says

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the majority union the workers
decided to go back to nums office

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about three pairs on to workers strike
has marched down to the mem offers

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the people who are in the new
officers and there are probably

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about 30 Branch officials and shops years.

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They\'d been advised by the
London security that the march

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was solids way and if they didn\'t want
to meet them arch And they should

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lock the building them and
somebody Go Home India has

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a deny or cinnabar soybeans Milan
man woman and man may you known

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as SI SAK Tyrion WAS needs Site
D Nagai or suborn Cuba as if

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umani informal Z two
perfectly informal Yemen

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is E for nasa gone masses Yale
cinnabar sybils below knee

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The president or the general secretary of
the local branch I forget which decided

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that he would hand her weapons to each of

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the 30 people who were there and they
handle their pingers and spears.

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But he also handed out at least one gun.

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The limbs in neutral veil
and IDNUM even me Ben un

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un now since today divisional masses
astray to condense jasso coin in

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and the sole goal it
wasn\'t says obviously that

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Philip Glass who\'s anoxia was
Yamasaki mass but especially even

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Laudato Si Amato opposite that Sierra Leone

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were standardized So Villa.

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They were shocked that from their
offices or the NUM and and in fact for

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a long time thereafter it was mocked denied
that to employees were shorted that stage

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kinematics it was ammonium Java parts and

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utility I am at ten and RBI limbo
molypermalloy stop nonsense.

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Into an answer verbally Roku

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narrow eikonal upper-income
port in ten years when

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the sabia band and I move gear hazamah.

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Awesome. Now I\'ve got an amateur

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toggling the National Union of Mineworkers

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denies any of their members attack workers
and insist that they branch leadership.

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We\'re acting in self-defense.

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None would not encouraged
in is sort of that

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Patnam watch Understand if
it\'s people believed that they

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are under threat to their lives
and our office and outlet

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that did they we\'ll add this pop off the
moment disabled taiga standards have

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said that as an Ngram would
believe that those people

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in that circumstances found
themselves and we\'ll end

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with one condemn what they did
in many respects that was

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a complete turning point because
up until that point That beam.

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Very little violence I\'m not
saying there wasn\'t any violence.

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People said was a bit of intimidation
I really don\'t know about

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it but no one was being killed.

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So my leg the leg Knowsalot spill
that Divina food in the side.

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Hit a grounding pill.

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So a planning Dawn.

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Is bad Georgia Linda and
pillars now palisade

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Tom silicone Masada and dab
it in jabayo and I got

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these giga gnomon mom
banned 11 to further draw.

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Every time the miners gather

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the Longmen security guard keeps a
keen eye on them After the shootings.

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Of two people allegedly from Korea area
such ICN is fairly comma this state

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no direct greatest
maturity as a reaction to

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numb shooting at their own members the
conflict grows Longmen rock tutors from

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the nearby carry shaft join the
strike in numbers they belong

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to the competing union the association
of construction and mine workers union.

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I\'m 6\'2

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I\'m cuz leader

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Joseph more tundra like grammar posa
20 years before him is fighting

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the system and believes num has become far
too close to mine management and government.

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He soon becomes an important player
in the unfolding events at maricon

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What you\'ve got is liberates

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the only thing that we\'d better feedback
is to change it Administration which was

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run by the White cannot then
is our trend h. Now what did

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Moses Bono who just says really taught
I will almost seem values is given

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Run the 12th they decide that
they\'re going to go back to the

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amorphous is this time I think that there
are inferior and they take their own.

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Course of action and they all
stopped rarely by London.

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Security guards and not much is known of

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what happened on that day I
mean there is a suggestion that

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these guards who have to say or poorly

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paid ordinary black working class
people who were sent out to confront.

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On behalf all this multinational
firm of exploiters

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The the demonstration that\'s coming
to them but whatever happened

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to girls were killed and one of
them in particular was bound to

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a cinder

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Cyril ram

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oppose it was close to Nelson Mandela.

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We thought he was succeeded
Mandela presidency.

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After the massacre.

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I was hoping to have an honest discussion
about what really took place in America but

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he quickly made it clear
that he would speak only in

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January terms until appearing
before the Commission.

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We were the first country
to have a wave of strikes.

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Let\'s just get that clear.

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Many countries both middle-income countries
low income countries and high income

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countries have been through waves of

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strife And many of those strikes in some
countries have even toppled governments.

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You\'d. It wasn\'t as if the
16th was a day are slated

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from context you have to look back
to the Monday before that Thursday.

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When a group of a 150 to 200 miners

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went from that copy to Korea
three mind with the herd.

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There were still some miners working
in they want to tell them to

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down tools Intimidation solidarity you can

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call it what you want
there were turned back

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by the security to the mind we
told them go back with that treat.

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There went back with that Truett
halfway back to that copy.

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They were met by a cordon of

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police and usually led

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by the Deputy Commissioner for
the Northwest general impending

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He says Is into Nr is paired to Azi yet

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doing my yeah yeah yeah pneumonia.

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I mean you guys are looses.

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Then allowed us right now how can

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I do that I don\'t like that and

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I\'m not gonna do that

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But as important.

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Can you then begin to
understand the standpoint of

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those employees they say by
the way we have no issue with

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you as the police Now
that\'s very fundamental.

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Is like the one to remind
everybody including the police

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that in a democracy where cosmic
negotiate with the employers.

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The police should not be this shield between
employees rights and employers applications

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or one that\'s not right

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The very interesting part about it is when
the negotiations between Jeran timber.

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In some other way can lead us.

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Including funny nope.

00:27:23.749 --> 00:27:26.659
The so-called man in the clinic blanket.

00:27:26.660 --> 00:27:33.108
Members. Now when it is clear that the
employees have put their position.

00:27:33.109 --> 00:27:36.484
Look. Few oriented disarmament.
That\'s okay.

00:27:36.485 --> 00:27:41.219
But you need to as caught us
for a year to the mountain

00:27:57.370 --> 00:28:05.370
And Chandra and pamby
reaches a stage where it

00:28:08.329 --> 00:28:10.729
says Now let me get to state i you

00:28:10.730 --> 00:28:14.869
saying if we escort to to the mountain
when you get there you\'ll end

00:28:14.870 --> 00:28:21.559
over the weapons to us and they
say yes and at that point he gets

00:28:21.560 --> 00:28:29.560
a telephone cord but he said in
effect when one looks at that clip.

00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:37.599
These attitude isn\'t radical before and
after that phone call Hi I\'m dose.

00:28:39.535 --> 00:28:47.535
We afford now in conto we are again
Diane demand myrtle that Tony in

00:28:49.550 --> 00:28:55.388
Canto Yeah

00:28:55.389 --> 00:29:02.099
I think I think

00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:25.200
they go into their soul and
they just get up and go

00:29:43.450 --> 00:29:46.114
And again to either credit.

00:29:46.115 --> 00:29:50.479
At that point gentle
impairment doesn\'t say should

00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:58.480
this baggers here allows them pay much
in the simply provide a quarter note

00:30:18.220 --> 00:30:23.838
This group of miners or walking
slowly and deliberately.

00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:28.920
From the video footage you see that
don\'t seem to pose any threat.

00:30:31.330 --> 00:30:36.574
Suddenly you see tear gas being fired
Berlin wireless I\'m shots fired.

00:30:36.575 --> 00:30:41.374
They get ignored that just keep
going and there\'s a line of police

00:30:41.375 --> 00:30:47.549
jogging alongside them on the one side
this armored vehicles keeps going.

00:30:52.930 --> 00:30:59.280
Another body of shots and
tear gas Cricket break.

00:31:00.490 --> 00:31:03.619
So this is a PBS.

00:31:03.620 --> 00:31:09.763
Learning to run less than the
agreement from what we see

00:31:09.764 --> 00:31:12.949
the peoples that are running around

00:31:12.950 --> 00:31:18.138
after the stamp lemmings here had been
thrown in exploded it\'s only then

00:31:18.139 --> 00:31:23.284
that people start running around
connectedness and none of the commanders.

00:31:23.285 --> 00:31:25.158
At admit to having given

00:31:25.159 --> 00:31:29.508
instruction in fact somebody who
told us alleged that you are given

00:31:29.509 --> 00:31:32.898
the instruction and you are
quite emphatic that was not

00:31:32.899 --> 00:31:37.864
true but none of the commanders gave
the order Coons instructions to

00:31:37.865 --> 00:31:41.559
the information that you have
So I don\'t think he\'s really

00:31:41.560 --> 00:31:45.968
puzzling and in that chaos three minus are

00:31:45.969 --> 00:31:49.493
killed one of whom seems to have been

00:31:49.494 --> 00:31:55.129
stabbed to death and it\'s unclear who
caused their death in what circumstances.

00:31:57.870 --> 00:32:02.510
Also two cops get quota and get killed

00:32:22.930 --> 00:32:27.618
To strike us were not killed at the
scene to strikers were killed.

00:32:27.619 --> 00:32:32.598
Perhaps 300 meters another
800 meters from that scene.

00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:38.178
My interpretation is that these
two strikers were fleeing

00:32:38.179 --> 00:32:43.924
and running away from the scene and
were pursued by police officers.

00:32:43.925 --> 00:32:47.928
One in particular I believe
that when he was perhaps

00:32:47.929 --> 00:32:51.829
800 meters away from the scene
and was running through a river

00:32:51.830 --> 00:32:55.429
and up the bank on the other
side I believe he was

00:32:55.430 --> 00:32:59.658
targeted by a police
officer and was shot and

00:32:59.659 --> 00:33:03.169
I described that as being an execution
people took cell phone pictures of

00:33:03.170 --> 00:33:08.028
the The Police and the circulated
through all police circles.

00:33:08.029 --> 00:33:12.994
Every single province got these
police to policemen had been killed.

00:33:12.995 --> 00:33:16.579
Now to be realistic we know that cops have

00:33:16.580 --> 00:33:19.608
a kind of iron clad drill you

00:33:19.609 --> 00:33:23.448
take us out we\'re going to take you out you
didn\'t get away with killing policemen.

00:33:23.449 --> 00:33:27.570
That\'s police forces
across the world actually

00:33:56.740 --> 00:34:00.109
It\'s two days before the massacre.

00:34:00.110 --> 00:34:04.429
Already a total of nine
people have been killed with

00:34:04.430 --> 00:34:09.139
the latest and num official
being marked by a cow\'s skull.

00:34:09.140 --> 00:34:14.658
The sign of a traitor conflict
between the strikers and gnome goes

00:34:14.659 --> 00:34:20.269
from bad to worse it what it does
more as to what is the motif.

00:34:20.270 --> 00:34:24.528
Because no organization worth
its salt can embark on on on

00:34:24.529 --> 00:34:28.769
on on this barbaric way of raising
issues And we believe that the partners

00:34:28.770 --> 00:34:36.049
know that NUM will never be involved in
this kind of barbaric way of dealing with

00:34:36.050 --> 00:34:39.708
users non-man begins its
campaign of pinning

00:34:39.709 --> 00:34:43.849
responsibility for the violence
on the striking miners.

00:34:43.850 --> 00:34:45.438
We didn\'t.

00:34:45.439 --> 00:34:49.698
Not anticipate this type of
violence and I don\'t think

00:34:49.699 --> 00:34:51.919
any organization in this country could have

00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:55.770
anticipated this type of violence
because it\'s not normal.

00:34:56.500 --> 00:35:01.218
So that\'s why we looking and searching
and using the police particularly the

00:35:01.219 --> 00:35:06.569
crime intelligence to understand
the root cause of the situation

00:35:31.600 --> 00:35:37.204
Running casseroles joined the fight
against apartheid in the 19 sixties.

00:35:37.205 --> 00:35:39.679
Following this short film massacre.

00:35:39.680 --> 00:35:44.704
He sat on the National Executive
Committee of the ANC for 20 years

00:35:44.705 --> 00:35:50.074
and was considered by the white minority regime
as one of their most dangerous opponents.

00:35:50.075 --> 00:35:55.863
Why the use Police force
onto the teeth against

00:35:55.864 --> 00:36:02.629
2-3 thousand miners who were not
occupying mining property or territory.

00:36:02.630 --> 00:36:06.274
Were not occupying any
strategic point we\'re not

00:36:06.275 --> 00:36:10.639
blocking the national
highway or any minor road.

00:36:10.640 --> 00:36:15.424
They were seated at a distance from

00:36:15.425 --> 00:36:20.913
any any key point to I please
visibility and presence law remained.

00:36:20.914 --> 00:36:26.460
Until the situation is completely
stable and currently we are seeing.

00:36:27.490 --> 00:36:34.879
Mind work as part of our
phased approach In terms

00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:37.238
of discussing and negotiating with

00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:42.389
the protesters and that\'s the process
that you\'re busy with after statuary.

00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:04.999
I\'m not at all sure why they brought
in a hostage negotiator to try and

00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:09.709
negotiate with 3 thousand
strike as it does seem Bizarre.

00:37:09.710 --> 00:37:14.568
Particularly as the strike is who always
said We want to negotiate but we want to

00:37:14.569 --> 00:37:20.370
negotiate with management kinda.

00:37:22.370 --> 00:37:29.253
Yeah Communist gardener but
don\'t tell them please.

00:37:29.254 --> 00:37:33.048
Any weapons weapons.

00:37:33.049 --> 00:37:38.238
It\'s not for us and nothing
would happen to them they

00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:43.714
National Police Commissioner ported
Longman to produce photographs

00:37:43.715 --> 00:37:48.168
of the demonstrators she
then ordered London to

00:37:48.169 --> 00:37:53.348
identify the ring leaders
I need to indicate that

00:37:53.349 --> 00:38:00.323
a management styles and

00:38:00.324 --> 00:38:05.753
also continue to assist me to
identify them from their fortunes.

00:38:05.754 --> 00:38:10.853
But what is clear is not the person
that they\'re would\'ve identified.

00:38:10.854 --> 00:38:14.424
Because he was the main
negotiator is Mr. loci.

00:38:14.425 --> 00:38:16.374
The man in the green blanket.

00:38:16.375 --> 00:38:22.519
What we know about Muslim Inaki is that
he has 14 bullet holes in him he is dead

00:38:36.580 --> 00:38:42.619
Then I will stop at the stop stopping for

00:38:42.620 --> 00:38:48.858
leaders is asking is asking can you
turn the motor off so we can talk.

00:38:48.859 --> 00:38:55.789
Related to weight cannot to
be heard over the noise of

00:38:55.790 --> 00:38:59.149
the running engine strike
lead a man boast climbs onto

00:38:59.150 --> 00:39:03.780
the armored vehicle to talk to
the police hostage negotiation.

00:39:04.510 --> 00:39:08.220
Thank him. Thank him

00:39:10.270 --> 00:39:18.270
quite a lot And I\'m going to

00:39:27.340 --> 00:39:35.340
talk about what happened at

00:39:38.260 --> 00:39:46.260
the same time and I went I went
up and going and minus does not

00:39:48.425 --> 00:39:53.250
produce having studied
whether this particular

00:39:54.360 --> 00:40:00.588
result But Longmen continued to

00:40:00.589 --> 00:40:03.469
refuse to meet the strikers what

00:40:03.470 --> 00:40:06.919
happened next was only discovered
a year into the commission.

00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:11.238
When the police were ordered to
hand over files that they had

00:40:11.239 --> 00:40:17.988
hidden it is a transcript of a conversation
that took place two days before the massacre.

00:40:17.989 --> 00:40:22.759
Between an executive of Longmen and the
provincial Commissioner of Police.

00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:29.013
It reveals the state and Longmen putting their
heads together on how to break the strike.

00:40:29.014 --> 00:40:35.388
Before it spread to other minds we need to act
such that we kill this thing immediately.

00:40:35.389 --> 00:40:38.749
Yes Tomorrow we have to move in if

00:40:38.750 --> 00:40:42.139
today we do not find cooperation
in these people we need to

00:40:42.140 --> 00:40:45.258
move in such that we can
it so I agree with you

00:40:45.259 --> 00:40:49.144
Commissioner if it can arrest these
people because the longer it goes.

00:40:49.145 --> 00:40:52.489
It is giving all the other
opportunities to comment and seize

00:40:52.490 --> 00:40:56.149
the opportunity and then it
gets out of control that is

00:40:56.150 --> 00:40:59.269
it so I think yes that tomorrow be

00:40:59.270 --> 00:41:03.619
the D-Day where we issue the ultimatum
and say If you do not show up for work.

00:41:03.620 --> 00:41:05.849
Sorry that is it

00:41:29.060 --> 00:41:32.849
You may go to

00:41:44.890 --> 00:41:49.600
this other node along

00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:56.489
this robot

00:42:05.450 --> 00:42:06.753
Alright

00:42:06.754 --> 00:42:06.889
it

00:42:06.890 --> 00:42:09.378
Is eight minutes after eight
would say good morning

00:42:09.379 --> 00:42:12.018
to you Welcome to the forum at
H-E-R-M-S AFM sell off we want to

00:42:12.019 --> 00:42:14.928
start with the National Union of
Mineworkers president who\'s here

00:42:14.929 --> 00:42:17.868
with me in studio since any Zaghouan
IV Good morning to you say I think if

00:42:17.869 --> 00:42:20.268
we were at time one and column
enough tutorial studios we

00:42:20.269 --> 00:42:22.729
are joined today by Mr.
Bernard mucuna he is

00:42:22.730 --> 00:42:25.008
executive vice president that London is

00:42:25.009 --> 00:42:28.759
democratic Good morning to you Good monitor
you also I\'m joined here in the studio.

00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:30.619
By Joseph my tune joy he is

00:42:30.620 --> 00:42:34.293
the president of unquote if a good
monitor units to match withdrew.

00:42:34.294 --> 00:42:40.223
Their machine to to cada Ada Stevia
guys came out of the offices of

00:42:40.224 --> 00:42:45.574
NUM fiat adult tickets There was no
firing at any point due on Friday.

00:42:45.575 --> 00:42:50.088
This feather confirms my view that
unquote behind them much the fact that

00:42:50.089 --> 00:42:54.964
they one way of achieving that is if the
leaders of the two polygons the unions.

00:42:54.965 --> 00:42:58.068
Come together go there
publicly together and say okay

00:42:58.069 --> 00:43:01.263
for now let\'s go back to
work we early on is that

00:43:01.264 --> 00:43:07.128
our outside ready to take us there ever
too difficult unless I cyclical times

00:43:07.129 --> 00:43:09.214
I\'m thankful any Muslim corner yes

00:43:09.215 --> 00:43:13.323
Kalanick our position as
management is as follows we agree.

00:43:13.324 --> 00:43:14.943
People must be designed.

00:43:14.944 --> 00:43:21.378
We went to meet the structures of the unions
to discuss any grievance or consent in

00:43:21.379 --> 00:43:24.529
the most civilized manner
Without pandas and without

00:43:24.530 --> 00:43:28.024
cars we can do it now we can
do it as soon as possible.

00:43:28.025 --> 00:43:31.999
Ready let\'s go then let\'s hope that\'s
bulges at Montana and agreement.

00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:36.738
During a radio interview the leaders of
the trade unions agree on air to address

00:43:36.739 --> 00:43:41.419
the miners at the mountain
London\'s Barnard mucuna remains

00:43:41.420 --> 00:43:43.128
silent about whether he will join

00:43:43.129 --> 00:43:49.519
them on the drive towards Americana
afforded reached out and had been there

00:43:49.520 --> 00:43:51.928
before afforded reached
it because there are

00:43:51.929 --> 00:43:55.728
all these armored vehicles police
armored vehicles and private

00:43:55.729 --> 00:43:59.148
security vehicles with fully
addressed tactical guys

00:43:59.149 --> 00:44:02.613
in uniforms had never seen military gear.

00:44:02.614 --> 00:44:06.378
No policing getters all
automatic Metagraph wills are

00:44:06.379 --> 00:44:12.259
fives sixes and I stopped the
thing had reached the kind of

00:44:12.260 --> 00:44:16.219
front-line or the police but they\'re
all eating and having a p and

00:44:16.220 --> 00:44:19.879
you know the parsing time so I kept

00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:23.629
going and eventually got to
the right spot and it was

00:44:23.630 --> 00:44:28.590
clear that this thing was
going to be a huge conflict

00:45:04.870 --> 00:45:08.689
Minus shutdown answer on positive six.

00:45:08.690 --> 00:45:11.643
One person who commanded the respect of

00:45:11.644 --> 00:45:16.098
all parties and he might have been
able to resolve the conflict was so

00:45:16.099 --> 00:45:19.953
Ram opposer because the
former mine worker leader

00:45:19.954 --> 00:45:23.689
is now one of the most
influential politicians inside

00:45:23.690 --> 00:45:30.948
the ruling party Did

00:45:30.949 --> 00:45:36.273
it ever cross your mind to go to the
mountain to speak to the workers.

00:45:36.274 --> 00:45:41.718
I prefer not to answer that one because
if I ever got to give evidence.

00:45:41.719 --> 00:45:49.719
Have to deal with things like that email
communication was uncovered at the commission.

00:45:50.164 --> 00:45:53.869
Sharing Silvano posa energetically lobbying

00:45:53.870 --> 00:45:59.508
government ministers to increase police
presence and pressing for action to be

00:45:59.509 --> 00:46:07.509
taken against the minus chairperson will
have the now procession Emails that

00:46:09.290 --> 00:46:15.874
were being exchanged between the mind
management the government minister

00:46:15.875 --> 00:46:22.953
of minerals and energy which talk about
discussions with the Minister of police.

00:46:22.954 --> 00:46:26.324
At the center of which is
a gentleman called Rama

00:46:26.325 --> 00:46:30.599
posa Saran oppose or writes
about discussions he had with

00:46:30.600 --> 00:46:33.858
the Minister of mining
citizenship Bangor she

00:46:33.859 --> 00:46:38.928
agrees that what we are going through is
not a labor dispute but a criminal act.

00:46:38.929 --> 00:46:43.248
She\'s going into a cabinet and we\'ll
brief the President as well and

00:46:43.249 --> 00:46:48.034
get the Minister of police not Tim
tetra to act in a more pointed way

00:46:48.035 --> 00:46:50.569
Let\'s just keep the pressure on them to act

00:46:50.570 --> 00:46:55.158
correctly by interrupting you but what
is the date of that email which is

00:46:55.159 --> 00:47:02.718
the 15th of August 258 exactly 24
hours before the people were moved

00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:10.719
down then that that mountain stellar I\'m a
parser advised that what was taking place.

00:47:11.120 --> 00:47:14.119
Uh plainly I\'m quoting now task that link

00:47:14.120 --> 00:47:22.008
criminal and must be characterised as
such in line with this characterization.

00:47:22.009 --> 00:47:26.689
There needs to be concomitant
action to address

00:47:26.690 --> 00:47:32.419
the situation That at the heart of

00:47:32.420 --> 00:47:39.574
this was the toxic collision
between the S-A-P-S and London.

00:47:39.575 --> 00:47:43.848
At the direct level at a
much broader level it can

00:47:43.849 --> 00:47:47.793
be called a collusion between
the state and capital.

00:47:47.794 --> 00:47:50.569
Black people who get into

00:47:50.570 --> 00:47:57.559
come white owned companies through the
black economic empowerment process

00:47:57.560 --> 00:48:04.189
then get into a system one
which is very reluctant to

00:48:04.190 --> 00:48:11.464
change and to which they don\'t own
completely and which they don\'t control.

00:48:11.465 --> 00:48:19.439
So Best what they do or why
do we do is to be advocates

00:48:54.190 --> 00:48:58.128
After the radio broadcast
Joseph Martin\'s where

00:48:58.129 --> 00:49:01.998
the leader of Ankur arrives at the mountain
with the num leadership in an attempt

00:49:01.999 --> 00:49:04.938
to persuade their workers
to return to work on

00:49:04.939 --> 00:49:08.478
the basis of a commitment made on
air by Longmen management that they

00:49:08.479 --> 00:49:12.828
were now willing to talk Joseph and

00:49:12.829 --> 00:49:15.019
Tanjore told me that uh he confidently

00:49:15.020 --> 00:49:18.429
expected that when he arrived that there
would be a meeting between himself.

00:49:18.430 --> 00:49:19.758
This does Corner.

00:49:19.759 --> 00:49:21.454
And the London management.

00:49:21.455 --> 00:49:26.898
Instead what he found was the general mere
pamby he asked would either tritium in

00:49:26.899 --> 00:49:32.629
leaders go up to the mountain to speak to
the strikers and say leave your arms there.

00:49:32.630 --> 00:49:35.669
Leave the mountain just leave

00:49:36.340 --> 00:49:42.319
A small delegation from num went first
and they went and armored truck and

00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:45.048
the armored truck approached the mountain

00:49:45.049 --> 00:49:49.219
and the strikers were told that
inside the truck was the president of

00:49:49.220 --> 00:49:52.998
the National Union of Mineworkers
and that he wasn\'t getting out of

00:49:52.999 --> 00:49:57.918
the truck it was clear from the reception.

00:49:57.919 --> 00:50:01.469
They simply didn\'t want they
did not want them there.

00:50:09.490 --> 00:50:12.798
Well Joseph had a much better reception.

00:50:12.799 --> 00:50:15.498
Again he was not allowed by
the police to get out of

00:50:15.499 --> 00:50:22.458
the truck And then it wasn\'t
just in front of them being

00:50:22.459 --> 00:50:26.029
spent their insight to come up with other

00:50:26.030 --> 00:50:30.448
well why don\'t you simply say you
can come to a data point could just

00:50:30.449 --> 00:50:38.449
walk where we just go and talk to
girls preseason workbook you will

00:50:40.415 --> 00:50:46.519
finish the term Adam climate
and our plan is to pull

00:50:46.520 --> 00:50:54.150
back there

00:50:58.810 --> 00:51:03.500
although I was dead Yeah

00:51:14.080 --> 00:51:17.778
he made headway on the
strikers came to him and said

00:51:17.779 --> 00:51:21.364
Look it\'s late in the
day it\'s getting dark.

00:51:21.365 --> 00:51:25.894
What we\'d like you to do is to come
back at nine o\'clock in the morning.

00:51:25.895 --> 00:51:27.633
But more significantly.

00:51:27.634 --> 00:51:32.718
He was telling them that if they
were to leave the mountain.

00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:37.979
Then management would address their grievances
in other words at least speak to them

00:51:58.650 --> 00:52:02.769
So he went back and he reported
that Earth to the police and to

00:52:02.770 --> 00:52:08.499
the London management to the factor
the Peter Joseph tungiasis is other

00:52:08.500 --> 00:52:12.519
we\'re really optimistic I mean general
my-append Bei He said in fact saluted

00:52:12.520 --> 00:52:18.294
him and said well done and one
of the other Longman managers.

00:52:18.295 --> 00:52:22.988
Said yes. Congratulations maybe we
can do that and so there was a sort

00:52:22.989 --> 00:52:29.100
of chunk that was a light there
Someone that could be developed

00:53:00.730 --> 00:53:06.109
to remember that we said our intention is

00:53:06.110 --> 00:53:11.329
to the people And are also our
intention is to make sure that

00:53:11.330 --> 00:53:15.619
the people that they leave that
illegal gathering area where they

00:53:15.620 --> 00:53:20.598
are and that is what we will do today and I

00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:24.018
said to you we wish that we will do

00:53:24.019 --> 00:53:30.768
that still amicable Meaning
we will ask them to leave.

00:53:30.769 --> 00:53:36.604
But then I don\'t want to explain
to you if they don\'t wet.

00:53:36.605 --> 00:53:44.605
What I told you is today we
n-d this mid what we have

00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:50.539
statements from the National Commission
and the provincial Commissioner which

00:53:50.540 --> 00:53:55.023
make clear that the night before

00:53:55.024 --> 00:53:57.949
the provincial Commissioner had informed

00:53:57.950 --> 00:54:02.928
the National Commissioner that accepts could
not persuade the strikers to lay down

00:54:02.929 --> 00:54:06.918
their weapons and leave the copy by
negotiations she would issue an instruction for

00:54:06.919 --> 00:54:11.299
the strikers to be dispersed
After deliberations.

00:54:11.300 --> 00:54:16.564
The meeting endorsed the proposal to disarm
the protesting masses and further indicated

00:54:16.565 --> 00:54:19.368
that additional resources
must be made available upon

00:54:19.369 --> 00:54:23.429
needs identification by the
provincial commissioner Northwest

00:54:49.690 --> 00:54:57.690
The most foreboding indication
of the intentions of those who

00:54:57.709 --> 00:55:04.983
placed an order for for short
events vans from the morgue.

00:55:04.984 --> 00:55:07.999
What else are you anticipate
it says Statement of

00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:11.329
anticipation of what is good
to have them can we not

00:55:11.330 --> 00:55:14.209
please move on to the morning of 16 August

00:55:14.210 --> 00:55:21.169
2012 we then requested one of the
security to call Mr. quality

00:55:21.170 --> 00:55:25.623
and to advise him that we have arrived as

00:55:25.624 --> 00:55:32.118
we were inside the office he said
it doesn\'t have good news for us

00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:38.779
He was referring to the commitment made
by the management that once there were

00:55:38.780 --> 00:55:45.558
caused renounced vow lens live arms
and return back to work peacefully.

00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:51.060
Their management we will
engage to their grievances.

00:56:02.260 --> 00:56:06.619
We now know that this was a joint
operation between London and

00:56:06.620 --> 00:56:10.188
the police that lawn moon was
completely integrated into

00:56:10.189 --> 00:56:13.998
the police strategy and the
system the police strategy It

00:56:13.999 --> 00:56:18.978
provided a senior executive to
be part of the police team they

00:56:18.979 --> 00:56:23.028
briefed the police officers and
senior generals at least once every

00:56:23.029 --> 00:56:30.303
day they provided helicopters and went out
on surveillance expeditions with the police.

00:56:30.304 --> 00:56:35.269
They provided detention facilities
and at the very end of the day

00:56:35.270 --> 00:56:37.399
after all the killings
were done they provided

00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:40.559
the London game farm for
the people who failed.

00:56:48.670 --> 00:56:54.109
Are we to believe that
even Major General Pierre

00:56:54.110 --> 00:57:00.184
Ha Hidden. py air that
this with her principal.

00:57:00.185 --> 00:57:06.603
The Minister of police deed.

00:57:06.604 --> 00:57:13.878
You make a telephone call to the minister
reporting to him that Keiling\'s that

00:57:13.879 --> 00:57:16.429
had taken place at Marika on

00:57:16.430 --> 00:57:21.813
the 30th of August 2012 Do you
remember me asking you that question.

00:57:21.814 --> 00:57:26.269
You\'ve asked me a lot of questions
it could have been one of those is

00:57:26.270 --> 00:57:29.988
general this is a simple
question are you suggesting

00:57:29.989 --> 00:57:37.989
that you do not remember for effect you do
not remember me asking you that question I

00:57:39.365 --> 00:57:43.489
have had a number of questions from
you and that could have been one of

00:57:43.490 --> 00:57:50.209
those canes on such a large scale

00:57:50.210 --> 00:57:55.053
would that have been a matter
of concern to your minister.

00:57:55.054 --> 00:58:01.413
I said. Yes. If it was or would have been.

00:58:01.414 --> 00:58:04.008
What if anything.

00:58:04.009 --> 00:58:12.009
Did the minister Do I have already
given my response to this one so.

00:58:12.490 --> 00:58:16.878
Nearly the current leader
in Bendigo hub He gives us.

00:58:16.879 --> 00:58:21.799
Leadership in that space and
support I have failed maybe

00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:26.659
to answer in a minute that is appreciated.

00:58:26.660 --> 00:58:34.660
Maybe I\'m short of answering
your question 16 hexane must

00:58:35.509 --> 00:58:39.858
figure as he was fingers
Guan list then as long as

00:58:39.859 --> 00:58:44.733
the heap was a van is a drag
O\'bannons argue for a while.

00:58:44.734 --> 00:58:48.993
Figure Emma battle going apply
they tumbled out by MR2 shock.

00:58:48.994 --> 00:58:52.623
Intellectual abomasum but
I swear footie meningo

00:58:52.624 --> 00:58:58.039
by Mate morning it had become clear to
the miners that London had gone back

00:58:58.040 --> 00:58:59.538
on their commitment to talk to

00:58:59.539 --> 00:59:02.430
them And

00:59:02.620 --> 00:59:10.620
I still

00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:41.280
don\'t know about so we\'ll find out

00:59:45.910 --> 00:59:47.088
Well

00:59:47.089 --> 00:59:48.269
my

00:59:59.380 --> 01:00:00.978
God God

01:00:00.979 --> 01:00:08.979
all the way to my dog

01:00:28.930 --> 01:00:33.044
Furthermore postdocs
example of another add-on.

01:00:33.045 --> 01:00:37.769
Itself rather

01:00:48.390 --> 01:00:50.929
easily

01:01:13.420 --> 01:01:15.019
The question I

01:01:15.020 --> 01:01:21.678
ask you is this a decision that you say
you took to implement states three.

01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:29.463
Was that decision taken because there
had been an escalation. Was it taken.

01:01:29.464 --> 01:01:32.238
Even though there hadn\'t been an
escalation that\'s the question I

01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:35.599
wouldn\'t want to episode.

01:01:35.600 --> 01:01:40.759
I\'ll put a little paragraph
degree escalation but what

01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:45.829
I find so answer is the decision to
is to implement Stage three which

01:01:45.830 --> 01:01:50.298
you say you took and conveyed to
the provincial commission that was

01:01:50.299 --> 01:01:57.549
Rough because of explanation but the fact that
even though they wasn\'t his professional.

01:02:12.160 --> 01:02:20.160
Might already know

01:02:31.540 --> 01:02:37.019
So this is.

01:02:48.400 --> 01:02:56.400
Yeah free about it should be that
they\'re not in our free path

01:03:05.950 --> 01:03:12.699
there may have been I thought up yeah

01:03:18.330 --> 01:03:26.330
But what do I do and I

01:03:27.110 --> 01:03:32.254
said well I don\'t want to

01:03:32.255 --> 01:03:38.988
but there are all these are given to talk.

01:03:38.989 --> 01:03:45.630
Yet about the planet an icon
set then you have F omega j.

01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:49.714
Therefore Madonna.

01:03:49.715 --> 01:03:57.149
Isn\'t good has no memory
of my banana coconut

01:04:16.060 --> 01:04:21.634
I still remember vividly
the face of those workers.

01:04:21.635 --> 01:04:28.924
I still remember my weights I said
when colon m can be of ATV asked me.

01:04:28.925 --> 01:04:33.468
What now I said all this is in courts

01:04:33.469 --> 01:04:39.149
ends and mean mortal men those
are my waste. More time

01:04:56.380 --> 01:05:00.663
Immediately following Joseph who
turned to his passionate plea.

01:05:00.664 --> 01:05:05.969
Over a thousand miners decided to leave
the mountain and make their way home

01:05:29.410 --> 01:05:32.988
We have been in negotiations
with his gathering for

01:05:32.989 --> 01:05:38.974
quite a few days and part of that was that
simple can reach an epic Amoco solution

01:05:38.975 --> 01:05:41.598
for them to drop the weapons and

01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:46.474
disperse unfortunately it doesn\'t
seem as if negotiations have proven

01:05:46.475 --> 01:05:49.548
successful and these are
complete service is going to

01:05:49.549 --> 01:05:52.788
have to go over to the tactical
phase to ensure that we

01:05:52.789 --> 01:05:59.479
take weapons away from from those gathered
yet for that I need or the media.

01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:07.480
Beyond our vehicles There\'s still
a culture is why would go up by

01:06:09.169 --> 01:06:13.009
a pair their pillars and
the Hebei piously yeah see

01:06:13.010 --> 01:06:18.348
an allele that is y stem
multiple times untidy upon

01:06:18.349 --> 01:06:26.349
us by law siRNA complex machine
the TTL older mumbo jumbo shoe

01:06:28.159 --> 01:06:36.159
ouch or whatever it is well known as the
arm the Glenda copy me Muslim gain Glenda

01:06:40.600 --> 01:06:46.478
or dancing or my leg or Lama dot Since we

01:06:46.479 --> 01:06:52.538
didn\'t go Maya two daughters
to non-natural long

01:06:52.539 --> 01:07:00.539
bound by law to

01:07:02.209 --> 01:07:03.650
perform

01:07:08.290 --> 01:07:13.239
these will oppose

01:07:13.240 --> 01:07:17.709
tell us up hot tub is first

01:07:17.710 --> 01:07:25.710
of all our customers

01:07:51.220 --> 01:07:52.608
On

01:07:52.609 --> 01:07:53.939
The other

01:08:06.100 --> 01:08:08.549
side

01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:17.760
Just like

01:08:33.370 --> 01:08:35.559
that

01:09:27.260 --> 01:09:28.598
I

01:09:28.599 --> 01:09:30.070
Agree

01:09:51.460 --> 01:09:53.760
Right

01:10:41.260 --> 01:10:47.448
Who independently Jong helium neon

01:10:47.449 --> 01:10:53.799
in Canada falling enzyme land filling

01:11:04.120 --> 01:11:06.689
Bomba

01:11:38.740 --> 01:11:42.089
And eventually

01:12:02.670 --> 01:12:06.619
if I think of

01:12:06.620 --> 01:12:14.620
it as

01:12:16.720 --> 01:12:19.188
15 to 20 minutes

01:12:19.189 --> 01:12:23.793
after the initial shooting All
the commanders should have sit.

01:12:23.794 --> 01:12:28.564
What you\'ve shot How many people stand up

01:12:28.565 --> 01:12:35.520
stand up they went and carried on a
hunting down people for 20 minutes

01:13:06.760 --> 01:13:11.538
When I saw what the commission
and the police call s2.

01:13:11.539 --> 01:13:17.178
Which is the small copy is several 100 meters
away from the stuff we saw on television.

01:13:17.179 --> 01:13:21.420
It is clear that this was nothing
like what had happened at the fussy

01:14:01.030 --> 01:14:08.628
In Norway and say chi of a wild
west isobar isobar telecom

01:14:08.629 --> 01:14:13.728
but we know

01:14:13.729 --> 01:14:17.599
from the examination of
the scene pi friends and

01:14:17.600 --> 01:14:21.903
officers that for example
they found cartridges.

01:14:21.904 --> 01:14:24.619
On tops of the rocks we
knew that they found

01:14:24.620 --> 01:14:28.099
dead bodies at the bottom of the
rocks yeah Would conclude there is

01:14:28.100 --> 01:14:31.308
a strong possibility that officers stood

01:14:31.309 --> 01:14:34.638
and short people who were at the bottom
of the rock I mean you\'re talking

01:14:34.639 --> 01:14:36.349
you at distance of

01:14:36.350 --> 01:14:40.278
perhaps only 234 meters the police seem to

01:14:40.279 --> 01:14:44.239
stick to this self-defense story they kept
repeating the same thing even though it\'s

01:14:44.240 --> 01:14:46.579
blindingly obvious and yet dozens of

01:14:46.580 --> 01:14:49.699
witnesses saying talking about
people trying to surrender being

01:14:49.700 --> 01:14:53.659
killed repeatedly shocked as
they were trying to Syria and

01:14:53.660 --> 01:14:59.099
much as once coming up to three times
with their hands shot repeatedly

01:15:31.900 --> 01:15:39.448
I went in and had killed they
just accumulate and otherwise.

01:15:39.449 --> 01:15:47.449
None. Okay all right

01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:53.070
So yeah

01:15:54.280 --> 01:16:02.280
yeah yeah

01:16:10.710 --> 01:16:18.710
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
yeah that\'s where gamma

01:16:43.050 --> 01:16:51.050
Vertical you can book it
doesn\'t really look good

01:16:52.960 --> 01:17:00.960
in some sense to put him

01:17:03.450 --> 01:17:08.109
to put people who

01:17:08.110 --> 01:17:16.110
need that So if whatever

01:17:26.870 --> 01:17:34.140
whatever. As likely

01:17:40.370 --> 01:17:47.310
to far this.

01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:53.080
Someone else

01:18:02.260 --> 01:18:07.458
Let us take note of the fact

01:18:07.459 --> 01:18:15.139
that whatever happened you represent
the best opera responsible policing.

01:18:15.140 --> 01:18:18.918
You did what you did because you are being

01:18:18.919 --> 01:18:25.009
responsible you are making sure
that you continue to live your

01:18:25.010 --> 01:18:33.010
own way of ensuring that South
Africans are safe and that you are

01:18:34.610 --> 01:18:38.239
a citizen of this country and safety stats

01:18:38.240 --> 01:18:45.813
weekly But who looked out for the
safety of our lowly paid miners.

01:18:45.814 --> 01:18:52.008
Surely it should have been those who work
so tirelessly for our struggle for freedom.

01:18:52.009 --> 01:18:59.029
Those you now hold the reins of
political power it is the time to

01:18:59.030 --> 01:19:02.598
point finger in the first place to point

01:19:02.599 --> 01:19:06.693
fingers at those whose
fingers pulled the trigger.

01:19:06.694 --> 01:19:10.624
But the foot soldiers.

01:19:10.625 --> 01:19:14.688
What about those who pulled the strings.

01:19:14.689 --> 01:19:19.759
Who gave the orders and
who are they tell me who

01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:24.858
are the Minister of police The President.

01:19:24.859 --> 01:19:28.759
The. He\'s got the answer this is

01:19:28.760 --> 01:19:32.838
what we want to see from a commission
and the President and the Ministers

01:19:32.839 --> 01:19:36.259
in a security cluster I\'ve
been there and know how it

01:19:36.260 --> 01:19:41.299
works and if the police carried
out without that kind of

01:19:41.300 --> 01:19:45.949
instruction then what are they guilty of in

01:19:45.950 --> 01:19:51.198
terms of the way they dealt with
that situation you see heads need to

01:19:51.199 --> 01:19:54.888
role at a very high level
and we don\'t want to

01:19:54.889 --> 01:20:00.799
see a commission of inquiry
that white washes things that

01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:07.909
keeps the lid on In the end we\'ll apportion
blame to the strike is to the Union

01:20:07.910 --> 01:20:12.349
splits to the mine owners and so on what

01:20:12.350 --> 01:20:17.999
about the politicians who
are the ones responsible

01:20:47.390 --> 01:20:51.369
And you\'ve got.

01:20:59.920 --> 01:21:02.210
You\'ve got to

01:21:23.740 --> 01:21:24.909
do

01:21:24.910 --> 01:21:28.859
That Suppose

01:21:37.900 --> 01:21:40.388
I have a lambda must hold.

01:21:40.389 --> 01:21:48.389
Which you had cloud and I can reduce
the amount of oil is Apple data model

01:21:52.990 --> 01:22:00.990
and map I would have a map
of the baton as it had done

01:22:03.409 --> 01:22:05.568
an example

01:22:05.569 --> 01:22:13.569
lambda Marco But

01:22:29.480 --> 01:22:32.700
what I would

01:22:45.280 --> 01:22:47.790
assume

01:22:55.270 --> 01:22:57.629
She\'s

01:23:21.370 --> 01:23:27.510
a fail-stop error bound South Africa.

01:23:29.080 --> 01:23:37.080
Get the plateau days up 75 It told us about

01:23:49.900 --> 01:23:57.900
how the central change out

01:24:03.880 --> 01:24:11.880
the finest de comprendre et

01:24:14.749 --> 01:24:17.389
cetera I

01:24:23.450 --> 01:24:31.450
will explain

01:24:33.790 --> 01:24:40.539
exactly how to answer

01:24:56.540 --> 01:24:59.829
that way To

01:25:23.270 --> 01:25:27.809
my shock