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(inaudible).

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As soon as I got outside,
I’ve seen two cops

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and… much stress out, I was the…

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I was the one causing the problems for some

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and it helped and made to
the prayer and I’m thinking

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that I didn’t break no laws
so… I didn’t do nothing wrong

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and took me away.

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And they choke me out of town.

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[sil.]

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It scared the heck out of me.
I thought I was dead.

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All those rumors I heard in the past

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they were all coming true.

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[sil.]

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When they told me, Darrell

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take the heck out while, they (inaudible)

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out every Indian.

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[sil.]

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I told them, “I’ll freeze to death,

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how dare you guys.”

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And they stopped, you can hear
the tiers crunching on the snow

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and I can hear the
electric one that go down

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and I remember that driver
there have said that you’re

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having problem and drove away.

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[sil.]

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The Darrell Night is lucky despite
darkness and bitter cold,

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he makes his way through the
snow to a nearby power station.

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A passing security guard somehow
hears the pounding on the door.

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The next day, another aboriginal man is found in
the same area where the police abandoned Darrell.

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25 year old Rodney Naistus
was not so lucky.

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His frozen body is discovered by a
politician out for her daily jog.

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He was last seen drinking with
friends and was expected at the home

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of his cousin who lives in a same building
where Darrell Night was picked up.

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Two days later, sergeant Bruce A
Hult of the Saskatoon police service

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holds Darrell Night and his Uncle
over for a seat belt ticket.

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Neither Darrell nor the sergeant realized that their
brief meeting will eventually lead to one of the most

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shocking revelations against a
police force in Canadian history.

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Darrell and his uncle have heard about
the freezing death of Rodney Naistus

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and questioned the veteran sergeant. I asked them
why they’re interested in that particular event

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and in talking with them, they
relayed information that they felt

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that it was related to the
same type of incident

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that had happened to Darrell. I told them
yeah, the cop struck me off the town,

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at a power station there. And I sort
of took up the conversation with them

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as soon they had reported that particular incident
to the police service and the comment was made was…

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Who’s gonna believe me?

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I don’t think he believed me a lot. There
is a number thing that went through my mind

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and I guess the… one of the first one
was this can’t really be happening.

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And… I… I just felt that the batch

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and the uniform that I represented
to this community was damaged.

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But I did ask them for some time and
the reason I asked for that time was,

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so that I could begin an investigation,

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relay the information to Chief Dave
Scott, who was my chief at the time.

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And that way there was…

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he gave us time to find out
exactly what was going on.

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Next day, that cop that pulled this over,

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he pulls up, what does he want? I
was thinking and he goes Darrell,

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Darrell, come here.

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I was scared to go over
there and they were like,

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what you want cop, he goes, “Remember, you

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were telling me nobody will
believe you.” And I go, “yeah.”

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”I believe you,” he said.

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One day, after Bruce A Hult
believes Darrell Night,

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a second frozen body is discovered
in the field by the power station.

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29 year old Lawrence Wagner was a student
at the First Nations University.

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Police tell his family that Lawrence must have
walked to the remote area and died of hypothermia.

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Good Evening, harsh allegations against
two Saskatoon police officers,

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they’re accused of mistreating a native man and at the
same time an investigation is being launched into

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the mysterious deaths of two other
aboriginal man. (inaudible) reports.

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Good Morning. A brief phase from a
Police Chief hearing the worst.

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…your chronology of events here. And we have
nothing that would indicate that they are related.

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The person been dropped off or
the two people that were found.

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This morning, the Chief said, what
happened during the past few weeks

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would be at the center of two separate,
but internal police investigation.

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He was firm the police could and would
investigate two of their own officers.

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But the Saskatoon Police
are under pressure.

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Hours later, Chief Dave Scott reverses his decision
and turns the investigation over to the RCMP.

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The city is growing

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suspicious of its police.
400 people aboriginal

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and white join Lawrence Wagner’s family
in a march to police headquarters,

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a cold vigil to remember
Lawrence and Rodney

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and to acknowledge decades of police
mistreatment of aboriginal people.

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Lawrence Wagner walked in two
worlds, his father is German,

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his mother is aboriginal.

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[sil.]

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I needed to be around with lot of people

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and I know that people care
the ones that walk with us.

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It’s just like a… it was
a right thing to do.

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You can fear it in the air.

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[sil.]

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It struck me that the extreme
cold that I was experiencing,

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wearing a jacket and gloves

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and stuff like that, that I realized that,
there is no way that he walked out of town

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and properly dressed the way
that they claim that he was.

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After when we walked down
to the police station,

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I just had a sense of mistrust,

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a sense of we’re hearing
all the truth right…

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right from the very beginning.

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[music]

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He was a curious person,
how he is willing to…

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to wanna learn about new things, there
was always a lot why questions,

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even when he started school,

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teachers were saying that,
they can’t give them enough,

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because they just sock it up like a
sponge, they were such fast learners,

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Lawrence always found learning very easy

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and… he’s very bright and very smart.

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In 1980, I lost my brother, he died

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and Lawrence was the one that comfort me.
He just, I was kinda annoyed with him,

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because I want it be alone and but
he kept following me and he said,

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are you alright my mum?

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And he was only 11 years old. We’ve
raised our children to be proud of…

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of who you are and you are,

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just as much need of as you are German.

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It should have been little bit more
recognize that he was a human being.

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Darrell Night survived to identify
the officers who dropped him

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off that night. But the freezing
deaths of Rodney Naistus

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and Lawrence Wagner remain unexplained.
The public wants answers

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and a large RCMP taskforce
is set up to investigate.

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The lack of trust in police… all police motivates
the federation of Saskatchewan Indian Nations

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to bring in one of their own.

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Oliver Williams is a retired RCMP
Officer with 24 years experience.

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He makes the move from his reserve
and interior BC to Saskatoon.

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Freezing is a really hard profession. I think
it’s one of the hardest professions born out

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and I think if you get
police officers there

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that have a racist attitude that do
things a certain way, well, Of course,

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it reflects on all the
other police officers.

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And unfortunately, what goes on, as you have a generation
policeman that past these work habits on the others

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and pretty soon it becomes normal,
this is the way you do think.

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The easy answer would be to get rid
of a generation of police, but…

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no the reality of it is, you can’t do that. So what we
have to do I think is concentrate on the younger officers

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and hopefully,

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change the way that they do business.

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Oliver takes charge of the special investigations unit
at the federation of Saskatchewan Indian Nations.

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He shadows the RCMP taskforce looking
into the deaths of Rodney Naistus

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and Lawrence Wagner, the abandonment of
Darrell Night and other similar incidents.

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He opens a toll free line to receive historic and
current compliance against police across the province.

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In a first few weeks, his
unit receives over 800 calls.

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A lot of the complainants

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that I talk to refused or did
not want to come forward,

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because they were fearful of pricing.
And at first, I fought well,

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how can you fear the police like that,
but after talking to them, I found it be

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a really genuine fear that they have. And
I think that’s the biggest challenge

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that the Saskatoon Police certainly uh…
have to overcome in the next few years,

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just to get rid of that
fear that people have.

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Okay. This is further to… to your call about
that incident you had with the… the police

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last Saturday night, what I want you
to do is uh… tell me in as much detail

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as you can recall, what took
place… if someone had taken me

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and told me that this is what you are going to
encounter when you go out there to do this,

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I could have said, no way that’s…
it’s just not… it doesn’t happen,

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that doesn’t happen. But I’ve
had my eyes open big time

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and I, and I guess I go through a gamut of emotions here
and that I look at it from the perspective police officer.

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And I, I’m really ashamed at some
other stuff that I have encountered,

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that I see that police
officers have been involved

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and are responsible for it.
And then, as a citizen,

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as a, as a, just a ordinary job, I’m a punk,
I truly am, as a First Nations person,

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I’m angry, I’m hurt and so

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I go through all those emotions
when I encounter these things.

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Were these all friends here that we’re in the vehicle with you. Yeah, Yeah.
They are. Okay. You know, like, they, they witnessed what happened there?

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Yeah. Okay. You think you have seen it all

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and heard it all and you are… pretty… pretty well hardened
everything, but there was many, many times when, when I cried,

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you know, when you are alone in the car and I just to think that
these things happened and, it just shouldn’t have happened.

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[music]

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Saskatoon is a city connected by bridges

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and divided by race. It has the largest urban
population of aboriginal people in a province

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with the highest youth incarceration
rate in North America.

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In Saskatchewan, a young aboriginal man is more
likely to go to jail than finish high school.

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[non-English narration]

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Few people understand the history behind
the statistics and many don’t care.

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No break in, no weapons.

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Okay. What else? Oh, you’re going to search in for weapon? Yeah,
you answer. Don’t feel nervous. Okay, you got a curfew in you?

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Uh… not that I know of. Okay, right, keep your hands
out of your pocket, hands out of your pocket.

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Okay. Now, what’s going to happen here is that you are
going to stay exactly here, until the other car gets here

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and then we’re just gonna patch for weapons,
check and see if they got a curfew, all right.

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Now after a sudden, and I’ll put you
on the ground, do you understand that.

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Aboriginal people and the police have coped with assaults lead by
the church in the Canadian Government, residential school abuse,

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discriminations in the Indian
Act, racism and despair.

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These are the people the Saskatoon
Police meet on a nightly basis.

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May I know fucking on your name?

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(inaudible). You know this guy? Hey do
you know this guy? Does he live here?

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I’m not, don’t know much of people in this building
Where is your shoes? My shoes? Yeah. Well, what?

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Well, because you can’t be walking around, if you don’t
live here, you’re intoxicating the public place.

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No, I don’t live here. Where do you live? Common,
give me your address now and I’m taking you there,

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give me the address? I don’t have an address.
Okay. You come with me, (inaudible) under arrest.

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This guy is taking me for ride here.

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Well, what can I… can I… can I drive? Yeah, you’re giving me a
ride, ride please. Well, tonight he is just going to sleep it off

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and will be released tomorrow. He was…
he was in there with no shoes on,

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so I don’t know where he came
from or what his address was,

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so build a fundamental pair
shoes attention in the morning

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and strap ‘em on his feet and we’ll go and get him,
probably another night when he should’nt do it over

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and over again I guess.
So… Okay, please hold in…

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I think Police is very, very difficult job. Most Police
Officers are good quality people without question.

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They are there for the right reasons
and I want to help those people.

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I want to help those people do their job and improve the relations.
I mean, you are ready to come down to station, bring that with you…

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The others, I’d like to (inaudible) and I’ll
do my best to make sure that’s done too.

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One who is there for the
right reason is Craig Nerfa.

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A 14 year veteran of the Saskatoon Police,

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he has been their aboriginal liaison officer for 9 years.
His peace keepers program brings together aboriginal youth

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and police officers in positive ways.
Basket ball games,

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Bike rides and yearly canoe trip. Craig was the
first officer to reach out to the Wagner family.

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The biggest thing for me when I
became the Aboriginal Liaison Officer

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was just uh… how much
I’ve learned in that time

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and going into the position assuming that I had
a relatively good knowledge of policing issues

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and just what the aboriginal
community would want.

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And how we could help the
aboriginal community,

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but then very quickly starting to realize that it
was actually the other way around and that I began,

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I became the person who was learning as
opposed to the aboriginal community.

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The way that I think now,
I find myself questioning

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some of the things that are
within the justice system,

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because of how they conflict with ways in which say
First Nations people would look at the justice system

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and the way First Nations
people would look at policing.

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[music]

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Don Worm is a lawyer.

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His email handle is legal warrior.
His firm represents Darrell Night

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and the family of Lawrence Wagner.
It was pretty clear to us growing up

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within our community that there were all kinds
of inequities that needed to be addressed.

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And so, it was almost a natural movement
towards this particular profession

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and the hopes that not just me but other…

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my family members who are also interested and
involved in this area could make a difference

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and we continue with that struggle.

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It certainly was the area

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that Darrell Night was dumped in on
that cold night in January of 2000.

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Fortunately, he was able to make his
way back to that power station,

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he was able sum an assistance and by doing so was
able to preserve his life and as a result of

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that and the complaint
that he subsequently laid,

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a number of other issues have since come
to light. Those issues being of course

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the other frozen individuals that
were found and obviously it inspired

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a deeper look at some other instances
that occurred in the past.

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Good Evening.

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Two Saskatoon police officers have been charged
with assault and unlawful confinement.

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The charge were laid after an aboriginal man
claimed police abandon him outside Saskatoon.

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The case has sparked a national debate
about how police treat minorities.

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Constables Ken Monsoon and Dan Hatchen admit to
abandoning Darrell Night in a cold at the edge of town.

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As the case progresses emotions run
high in a city of Saskatoon thoughts

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that usually remain unsaid
are now in the open.

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Why are these two taking the
blame for everyone that’s dead?

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It’s not their fault that everyone’s dead. It’s
just lucky that Darrell Night found a form of cab.

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Darrell Night, Please, what about his arrest record? What about
the trouble that man has been in? Was that mean he should die?

00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:44.999
No, It doesn’t mean he should die.
Nobody should die.

00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:49.999
No one at all should have to die and pay the price. Your kind of racism is what I’ve
been fighting all my life. No, I’m not racist, because my friends are Indian as well.

00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:54.999
Am I afraid of friends that
made it… but, I’ve yeah, sure,

00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:59.999
I may have some of my friends are and
yeah I have a certain amount of racism,

00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:04.999
because I’ve dealt with enough of native
that have cost me nothing but hell of havoc,

00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:09.999
broke into my homes, okay.

00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:14.999
Well, people have done that to me. My home is broken, I
have broken… And how much, how much welfare you guys had.

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The responses that Mr. Hatchen

00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:24.999
and Mr. Monsoon gave at their trial
were totally unsatisfactory,

00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:29.999
not only to Darrell, but I would just you that they
were totally unsatisfactory to anybody who heard them.

00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:34.999
As a matter fact, their version of events
was that Darrell asked them to drop him

00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:39.999
off outside of town on a cold night.

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Nobody can accept that. There
was no indication on their part

00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:49.999
that they saw Darrell as anything other than what
Darrell testified to and that was a drunken Indian.

00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:54.999
Saskatoon Police Officers Ken Monsoon

00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:59.999
and Dan Hatchen are fired after they are convicted on the
charge of unlawful confinement in the Darrell night case.

00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:04.999
They are found not guilty of assault.

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They are sentenced to 8 months in the provincial
correctional center and will be out in 4.

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[sil.]

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I guess my feeling after the Darrell Night
incident was… was also one of anger,

00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:24.999
because I had felt that in a
way the… I was being let down

00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:29.999
by these two members in our police service
and in the work we’re trying to do.

00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:34.999
[sil.]

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Throughout the 9 years that
I’ve been in this position now,

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I become very close to people I work with.
And I have developed a lot of friendships

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and a lot of very, very strong friendships.

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And so that affects you personally when all of a sudden
you are not dealing with someone who is just a stranger.

00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:59.999
You’re working and you see the pain
from people who become very close to.

00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:04.999
And so I always, it’s almost like you feel the
pain yourself when you see pain through them

00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:09.999
and I think that makes a big difference.

00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:14.999
You know, because you got pulled
over in the last two weeks,

00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:19.999
because it was aboriginal, do you wanna
know why? You wanna know how many times?

00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:24.999
Twelve, sixteen. Yeah. Five times
I got pulled over for nothing

00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:29.999
because I was walking down 21st street

00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:34.999
and for what? I asked him.
You got a problem?

00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:39.999
The Conviction of Monsoon and Hatchen in the Darrell Night
incident doesn’t help the families of Rodney Naistus

00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:44.999
or Lawrence Wagner. They want to
know why these young men froze

00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:49.999
to death at the edge of town?

00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:54.999
It still sadden me how can
anybody leave a person out here

00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:59.999
and in the middle of a cold night,

00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:04.999
to me that’s heartless.

00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:13.000
[sil.]

00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:24.999
I remember picking one like this

00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:29.999
when we came down here. I
wanted to take something home

00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:34.999
from here where they found his body.

00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:39.999
I was just grasping

00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:44.999
for anything I guess

00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:49.999
because I felt so empty when I lost my mom.

00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:54.999
It was okay because,

00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:59.999
she did her living and she
wasn’t young anymore.

00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:04.999
It’s different when your

00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:09.999
own child passes away.

00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:14.999
They really didn’t want to say
too much how he got out there.

00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:19.999
And… so okay, well, he was
found out there, can we go,

00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:24.999
see the body and stuff like this.

00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:29.999
And I said, well, not really
because he is still frozen,

00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:34.999
but my wife did go in and
picked up the clothing

00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:39.999
and brought the clothing back

00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:44.999
and I noticed that they said he was
wearing a T-Shirt, underwear pants

00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:49.999
and two pair of socks and that’s all, they
said no shoes and they said no, no, jacket

00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:54.999
and they also said no, and I told
the wife something doesn’t add up,

00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:59.999
because if you wandered out there in her
socks, I said somethings strange about this,

00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:04.999
because there weren’t
any holes in his socks.

00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:09.999
The evidence was pretty clear
that those socks were not worn

00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:14.999
and the suggestion therefore that he walked from
downtown to there, it… it was simply unbelievable,

00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:19.999
it was incredible evidence. There were officers
from the RCM police who did the investigation,

00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:24.999
who put on the same socks and
after walking a matter of blocks,

00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:29.999
the sock where completely
worn through they were,

00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:34.999
their feet were dirty. So they suggest that Mr.
Wegner walked from downtown without wearing

00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:39.999
his socks, its incredible. The RCMP taskforce
concludes there is insufficient evidence

00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:44.999
to late charges in the freezing
deaths of Rodney Naistus

00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:49.999
or Lawrence Wegner. Subsequent Corners
inquest rule cause of death as undetermined.

00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:54.999
The most difficult thing about
the inquest both Wegner

00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:59.999
and Naistus inquest is that there
is no closure to the families.

00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:04.999
This was a way of appeasing everyone oh you
know the answers to have an inquest here,

00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:09.999
if there is not enough the
evidence to charge anyone

00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:14.999
or to see that someone is involved we’ll just have an inquest and
everybody will be happy and go home. Well, that’s not the case

00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:19.999
and… to this day there are still
so many unanswered questions

00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:24.999
and so much suspicion there,

00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:29.999
that I don’t know if that will ever get resolved unless
someone comes forward and admits doing something.

00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:38.000
[sil.]

00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:44.999
It doesn’t look great for a lot,

00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:49.999
uh… people could die out there that’s what

00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:54.999
uh… I don’t understand that. I don’t understand
why they have to talk about Lawrence

00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:59.999
when he is dead.

00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:04.999
The kind of life he lead

00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:09.999
and you know, it wasn’t even true,
most of it wasn’t even true.

00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:14.999
I don’t understand that

00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:19.999
uh… a drug addict to be any treated
different the way they said about my son.

00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:24.999
He… at first he was human being,

00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:29.999
he said okay for the drug addicts to die,

00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.999
undesirable people around the world,

00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:39.999
I don’t think so.

00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:44.999
It seems like we’re not
valued as human beings,

00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:49.999
we’re Indians.

00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:54.999
In addition to Hatchen and Monsoon, the revelations now take
another career. Dave Scott is fired as Chief of Police.

00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:59.999
An outsider has brought
in to take his place.

00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:04.999
Aboriginal elders reach out to
new police chief Russ Sabo.

00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:09.999
When I came here it became
obvious that there was an issue

00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:14.999
in this city in Saskatoon with
the way that aboriginal people

00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:19.999
were treated differently than others.

00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:24.999
When I got hired,

00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:29.999
Walter made arrangements in the aboriginal community
to have a traditional swearing in ceremony

00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:34.999
using aboriginal culture and ceremonies.

00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:39.999
And it was an absolutely
moving experience for me,

00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:44.999
it was very humbling for elders umm…
all giving prayers on my behalf

00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:49.999
and hoping to heal the rift that was
there between the aboriginal community

00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:54.999
and… and the police.

00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:59.999
Walter Link later is a constant presence throughout
the conflict. He has been Craig Nerfa’s advisor

00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:04.999
for years and has helped the Wegner family,
his is a voice of advise for the new chief.

00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:09.999
We have to have to have a serious look
at finding appropriate culture ways

00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:14.999
to help our people and all you know this
is what the Craig Nerfa’s attempting

00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:19.999
to do through his work and this is what the
elders are attempting to do in their work,

00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:24.999
like we all have to work together to prevent
these, these things from happening in the future.

00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:29.999
And there are different ways
to work with our people,

00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:34.999
you know, from a native point of view

00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:39.999
sometimes they find it very
difficult to work with our people,

00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:44.999
because they don’t understand our culture.

00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:49.999
[sil.]

00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:54.999
We kept the same message that we were given to chief Scout, it was the
same message we give chief Sabo has to get involved in our ceremonies,

00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:59.999
so that he learn the culture of appropriate
ways to begin to establish trust.

00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:04.999
And he promised us as well to begin

00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:09.999
uh… a period of cultural awareness

00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:14.999
uh… not only for himself, but for senior
officers as well as for the force,

00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:19.999
the police force in general
to have cultural awareness.

00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:24.999
We can’t correct that,

00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:29.999
you know, the difference between
us as a police overnight

00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:34.999
and that’s one thing that we all have
to understand it’s going to take time.

00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:39.999
Sabo got the chief’s job because
of his community policing style

00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:44.999
and creates 10 new community liaison positions, which is out of step
with the hard line favored by some within Saskatoon police force.

00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:49.999
He slowly becomes aware
brewing internal attacks

00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:54.999
and an upcoming non-confidence
vote by members of the force.

00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:59.999
We want to make sure that whatever you guys do, we’re
communicating that because you guys are fighting a battle,

00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:04.999
you’re fighting a battle
first of all, you know,

00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:09.999
the perception internally is
well take the 10 officers

00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:14.999
and throw them out in the street and we’ll handle crime better. So you
got a fight at that perception, on the other side you got the people out

00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:19.999
in the community who are saying
well we never see our officers.

00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:24.999
So we want to make sure we have a nice balance
in there, so uh… But it’s really important

00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:29.999
that you guys understand this
is a, this is a huge hinge pan

00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:34.999
I suppose for lack of a better term for
where we’re going with this organization

00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:39.999
and you guys are the ones
that can set the standard.

00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:44.999
As part of his community based strategy,

00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:49.999
Sabo opens the little Chief station in the inner-city, constable
Larry Hartwig is one of the new community liaison officers

00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:54.999
assigned to little chief. I worked
on three different reserves

00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:59.999
and I developed a healthy respect
for the aboriginal community.

00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:04.999
Hello, is that in… We always have to be
very, very careful as police officers,

00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:09.999
because we have a tremendous amount of authority and
with that comes a tremendous amount of responsibility,

00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:14.999
we must never ever,

00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:19.999
ever abuse our authority as… as police officers.
We have the authority to literally destroy lives,

00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:24.999
we literally do have

00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:29.999
that authority and we must
always be careful that,

00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:34.999
that authority is never ever abused.
Step entries on (inaudible).

00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:39.999
Let me give you a little insight
into what the police sub-culture is.

00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:44.999
We do not identify ourselves as white,
as aboriginal, as African-American

00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:49.999
or African-Canadian or Asian we choose not to because
when we become police officers we become blue.

00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:54.999
When you talk to… uh police officers,

00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:59.999
they don’t admit to this blue wall, it exist, there
is no question about it. I mean I’m always part of

00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:04.999
uh… that profession and I know that it exist and I
think in sheer time and time again when an officer

00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:09.999
that was there is interviewed
with regard to what he saw,

00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:14.999
you know, they didn’t see anything,
they were busy doing this,

00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:19.999
were busy doing that and that’s a bunch of crap and in a lot of
cases they don’t know exactly what happen, but they just don’t say.

00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:24.999
From the beginning, the Saskatoon police had taken the
position that Darrell Night was an isolated incident

00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:29.999
Some know this is false, Sabo does not.

00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:34.999
I’m not saying they weren’t. What I’m saying is I don’t know a
personally of any of those incidents that may have happened.

00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:39.999
When a reporter pushes him to look
deeper, Sabo does his own investigation

00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:44.999
finding drop offs from this fall back as
1970s and then he does the unexpected.

00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:49.999
We had indicated, as I understand that we
didn’t have any other incidents of this nature

00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:54.999
and in fact, we have and that’s come to my attention. And I
think we have to take ownership of things that have transpired,

00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:59.999
it happened more than once
and we fully admit that

00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:04.999
and in fact on behave of the, of the police
department I want to apologies to those people

00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:09.999
uh… who we had said it was
a one of a kind incident.

00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:14.999
The chief’s apology coincides
with the outcome of

00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:19.999
an RCMP taskforce investigation into the
death of 17 year old Neil Stonechild,

00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:24.999
and aboriginal teenager found
frozen to death in 1990.

00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:29.999
The Saskatoon police had concluded their original
investigation into his death after three days

00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:34.999
with no explanation and no charges.

00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:39.999
New pressure compels the Saskatoon justice to
hold a commission of enquiry into Neil’s death

00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:44.999
and the allocations of a poor police investigation.
It can’t find criminal responsibility

00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:49.999
but its mandate is to search for the truth.

00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:54.999
Now the new chief must to face the fact that there was a witness
who places Neil Stonechild in the back of a Saskatoon police car

00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:59.999
on the last night of his life.
Jason Roy was Neil’s friend.

00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:04.999
A police car pulled in front of me

00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:09.999
and Neil was in the back.

00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:14.999
And the moment they he saw
me, he was he is very irate,

00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:19.999
he was just…

00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:24.999
he was freaking out…

00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:29.999
he is saying Jay, help me,

00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.999
these guys are going to kill me.

00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:43.000
[sil.]

00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:49.999
Did you observe his condition?

00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:54.999
He had fresh blood on his
face, across his nose,

00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:59.999
I couldn’t see all that well

00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:04.999
but he had his face to the window and he was yelling
at me, asking me an help… asking me to help him.

00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:09.999
A few days later, Neil Stonechild’s frozen body was
found in a field in the city’s North industrial area.

00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:14.999
Since the day she was told about Neil’s death,
his mother has been looking for answers.

00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:19.999
Don Worm is helping her find them.

00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:24.999
What is interesting about
Jason’s evidence is that,

00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:29.999
he had been asked by the
officers in the vehicle where

00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:34.999
that Neil was in the back off, who he was.
And he had given them a false name

00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:39.999
and interestingly enough those
officers and the record show this

00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:44.999
ran a CPIC check on the name
that Jason had provided to them.

00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:49.999
In my estimation that had
certainly provided a sense

00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:54.999
of conformation and creditability
to… to what Jason had told us.

00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:59.999
The inquiry is starting to
make a lot of people nervous

00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:04.999
and involves a larger cast of characters.
In total, 63 witnesses will appear,

00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:09.999
all to be questioned by the room
full of lawyers. Oliver Williams

00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:14.999
and Annette Ermine of the special
investigations unit follow the inquiry closely.

00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:19.999
Constable Mackey was at the inquiry
and he had admitted on the stand

00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:24.999
that they are members that
do drop off individuals.

00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:29.999
The only think that, he… he didn’t
utilize, he didn’t say drop off,

00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:34.999
he termed it as un-arrest but still…
it still means the same thing,

00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:39.999
so cause quite a controversy at the, at the inquiry. So
did he say that, that practice is still happening today?

00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:44.999
It still continuous and he had also said

00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:49.999
that even though he termed as un-arrest

00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:54.999
it’s done without the individual’s consent
that’s what he had admitted to understand.

00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:59.999
Pretty… pretty big stuff and
to say something like that.

00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:04.999
I think that we should monitor that. Yeah, I
think monitor of that, that’s good, that’s cool.

00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:09.999
Let’s question the next witnesses
constable, Larry Hartwig.

00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:14.999
A familiar face takes the stand. Larry Hartwig
the newly appointed community liaison officer

00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:19.999
is implicated as being one of the
two officers Neil Stonechild

00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:24.999
was last seen with, the computer
record show that Hartwig ran

00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:29.999
the false name given by Jason Roy.

00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:34.999
Did you, sir, have Neil Stonechild in your
custody on November 24th or 25th of 1990.

00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:39.999
No, I did not. Is it possible
sir that you mistakenly had

00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:44.999
him in your custody in the sense that perhaps
he was in your custody gave you a false name

00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:49.999
and didn’t realize he was Neil Stonechild, do you think
that’s possible? No, I do not believe that’s possible.

00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:54.999
Hartwig he is cross examined about the
details of the RCMP taskforce investigation.

00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:59.999
He was first contacted in the spring of 2000 and
was interviewed 10 to 12 times as a suspect

00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:04.999
in Neil’s death. In one interview, when the RCMP investigator
asked about the freezing deaths of aboriginal man,

00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:09.999
Hartwig had volunteered
Neil Stonechild’s name.

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You are talking to the RCM police
about the death of people, right?

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Human beings. Correct.

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Frozen to death, right? Inexplicably. Correct. And
there were some suggestion at that point in time,

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even in the media that there was
some kind of involvement by

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the Saskatoonpolice service. Correct.

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You were quite aware of that? Yes, I was. So you didn’t
try for a moment to down play the seriousness of this,

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you knew going into your discussions with the
sergeant Lines that this is a serious situation.

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Absolutely. [Sil.]

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And so you turned the conversation to
the death of Neil Stonechild, right?

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I turned the conversation

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to Neil Stonechild sergeant Lines turned the
conversation to the death of Neil Stonechild.

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Now am I missing something
here is that the same thing,

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is that the same thing? No, it’s not.

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All right, why would you even raise
the name of Neil Stonechild,

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isn’t that what you’re asking Mr. Larry, what earthly reason would there
be for you to mention the name of Neil Stonechild in his context.

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Because I need the RCMP where investigated in the
death of Neil Stonechild, they asked me about people

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I did not know about the only person
that I knew he was Neil Stonechild.

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Larry Hartwig and his
former partner Brad Senger

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are on the stand for two days.
As the enquiry winds down,

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the commissioner is left wait through questions
raised during the six month of testimony.

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Why was Neil’s mother told that his death had been thoroughly
investigated even though evidence shows otherwise?

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Why did the investigating officer shortly
before his retirement burned Neil’s clothes.

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How did Neil Stonechild end up dying
alone in a field wearing only one shoe,

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everyone anxiously awaits
the commissioner’s report.

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[music]

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Its murder as far as I’m concerned.

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There was no question that whoever dropped them
off out here knew that he had hardly any chance

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to get back, there was… and to me I’m
convinced that he was possibly unconsciously

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when he was dropped here too. And so if
you drop someone off in -26° weather,

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that’s been uh… beat up, its got marks
on them, he is not going anywhere,

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he is not going to go anywhere but from
that spot that he is dropped on the ground.

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[music]

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And it’s a healing thing for us because
we… everybody is remembering him with us

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at the memorial round dance, the
reason why we make the round dance

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and is to heal ourselves
and uh… get to together,

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heal up the round dance to.

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[music]

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Elders when we hear and know
of families that are in pain

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specifically the Wegner family, we
had a lot sweats for that family.

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And asking the creator to
give them courage, acceptance

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and we also pray you know for the victims,

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we know that they are in the speed world

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so we have ceremonies
in which we honor them.

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[music]

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I do one closure on this, I want…

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I want answers and then there
never has been any answers,

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we’re still dealing with an un… unanswered
questions to what happen to this human being.

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And it could be any body’s child.

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And I think anybody out there
that would have had this happened

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to them would want to know
what and how this happened

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and we still don’t know,

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we still don’t really know the truth.

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I never forget my son when its
call out day. It doesn’t bother me

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when I’m shaking in cold day,
because he was out here freezing,

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I can go inside and get warm,
but he never got that chance,

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he wasn’t given the
opportunity to save himself,

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I know he wanted to live.

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[music]

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[sil.]

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Well, I’m happy to deal life

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to those cops try to take my life

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and I value my life.

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Nobody disserves that,

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don’t have the word
(inaudible) there black guys,

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white guys, Indian guys, nobody…

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[sil.]

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cold out there…

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[music]