Panopticon
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Do you have âNothing to hide?â That makes you one of many. But control on your personal life is increasing, and privacy is under attack. But how does this work exactly, why are once liberal countries especially privacy troubled, and when will you start to feel the consequences? Panopticon is a must see film, especially in the light of the Snowden affair which has revealed just how much data is collected, stored, and acted upon.
Citation
Main credits
Vlemmix, Peter (Director)
Vlemmix, Peter (Producer)
Vlemmix, Peter (Screenwriter)
Koppen, Hilde (Producer)
Other credits
Editor, Nils Rensen; camera, Daan Nieuwenhuijs, Aage Hollander; music/sound design, Pastelle Sound.
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No distributor subjects provided.Keywords
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A documentary by Peter Vlemmix.
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Technology is becoming
better and more interesting everyday.
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And more important.
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We are the digital generation.
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We can have more freedom.
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We can become smarter.
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We can be more creative.
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We are one, with our friends.
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We are living the techno dream...
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...right?
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People don't know it's happening,
why would they become angry?
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This is me.
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I also love technology.
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I have a smartphone, Macbook, Twitter,
Fitness center membership card with RFID-chip,
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Navigation in my car,
and I'm always online.
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But I started noticing something.
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You know, the small signs.
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City decides to places extra camera's.
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Facebook argues over privacy.
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The Netherlands introduce
digital border surveillance.
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It intrigued me.
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What is actually known about you and me?
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"I don't mind the government
knowing what I'm doing."
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"I don't have much to hide,
I don't really worry about it."
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On the question whether privacy
is important for us,
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us Dutch people say 'No' more than
any other European nation.
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How is that possible?
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I decided to investigate, what the
current state of privacy in our nation is.
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Are we being watched?
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And how?
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And do we really
have nothing to hide?
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This one is nice.
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Yes, thank you,
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If you would click on the screen here.
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For the age check.
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Then the counter will open,
and I can do the transaction.
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The age check?
- Yes
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But I have brought my drivers license.
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Okay, but we check the age
using this device.
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So they know that I
am doing a good job.
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What if I say I don't want to use it?
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Then the counter won't open
- Then I can't buy this?
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No, no, then you can't buy it.
Or you could find another store,
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where that is still possible.
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Okay, so, how does it work?
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'Start', and then
the left button.
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And then he observes you trough here.
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You see the counter opens,
so it fully agrees with you.
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Who is watching then?
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There is a women watching, from Breda.
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I decided to go and pay
the woman in Breda a visit.
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What does she know about me?
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Is she going to keep track of
how many beers I drink?
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The woman in Breda appeared to
be a big man instead.
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On the moment I press this button,
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I not only give the order to the system
to authorize the transaction.
here: delete a crap
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But at the same time, I am telling
the system to delete the recorded images.
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So it can't be used for
police investigations?
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No, last year we were approached by the
DOJ.
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who asked "Can't you help us, if needed
with providing image data?"
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I was glad to be able to say
"No we can't."
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Could that be different
in two years time?
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No, not a chance.
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Not in the future?
- No.
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At the moment we were to start
storing personal information,
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That is not allowed.
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I am not sure if I like having
to be scanned in the liquor store.
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But no information is being stored,
and it's told.
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It is like this everywhere?
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This is a face recognition camera.
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It scans me right now.
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Using state of the art face recognition techniques,
it checks a database with unwanted travelers.
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To alert people if necessary.
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As a passenger, you don't
realize you are being scanned.
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There is no label at the door that says
'Facial recognition system in use.'
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So people are being scanned without
them realizing it happens?
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Correct, most people don't notice.
Its purely automatic.
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The scan of my face is stored in the
database of the transportation company.
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There it is stored for 7 days.
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Isn't it a bit weird to sneakily
record every passenger?
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How else are we supposed
to check them?
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Well, the old way; "Hi sir, please
show me your ticket."
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Recently there was a small
disturbance in a tram in Rotterdam.
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A reporter noticed the way the driver
reported to the station operator.
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The entire conversation appeared
to be recorded, and stored as evidence.
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Audio recording and face recognition.
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Welcome to the Rotterdam trams.
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But doesn't this cross the border of
invading into my privacy?
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The 1966 UN law on privacy
says the following;
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No one shall be subjected to arbitrary or
unlawful interference in his private life.
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family, home or correspondence, nor to
unlawful attacks on his honor and reputation.
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Everyone has the right to the protection
of the law against such interference or attacks.
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Tell me honestly :
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do you ever wonder what
6 minutes look like?
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Every 6 minutes, your ISP records
who you are calling,
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where you are,
whether you go online.
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if you're sending an email,
or receiving one.
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Every 300 seconds, that
is 225 times per day.
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This monitoring is called
data retention.
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Since 2006, the European Union
requires your telecom provider
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to store all this data
for 6 months.
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To help them supporting
criminal investigations.
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With dataretention, a digital profile
is created from your online life.
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Without knowing the contents of
your calls and emails.
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Did you know, that using this
data it can be predicted
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where you will be
going this week?
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And with whom you
are in contact?
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Whether you are seeing a psychiatrist.
Or call sex lines during the night.
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Dataretention keeps
a tight record.
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Even when you go 'offline',
and take the car you are being watched.
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On nearly all Dutch highways
you will find cameras.
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Increasingly, they are part of
the ANPR network.
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ANPR stands for Automatic
Number Plate Recognition.
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It links your license plate to
the location of the recording.
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This ANPR is crucial for strengthening
criminal investigation.
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due to increase in
crime strength.
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And it is extremely important
to keep this information.
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To store all the data.
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Why? Because if you are
suspecting an individual
of a certain crime having
been committed.
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you can use this system to see
whether a certain car
has been located on a crime scene.
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Which allows the evidence
to be strengthened.
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But the privacy is of
course guaranteed.
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Fighting crime. We all support that.
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But 99% of the passing cars
are regular people on their
way to work, or friends.
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So then why are all scanned
cars recorded in a database?
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That's not being answered
by the justice department.
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Data. More and more of it.
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In the last two years,
we created more data
then in all past
years combined.
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For a long time, it was very
complicated and expensive
to store information.
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You could collect data, but it was
too expensive to keep storing it.
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Now that hard-disks and other media
have become so cheap,
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you don't ever have
to delete anything again.
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It wasn't until a short time ago, you
had to periodically empty your mailbox
because it was full.
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That's a problem we
don't have anymore.
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This is because
data is cheap now.
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So just like you don't empty
your mailbox anymore,
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companies don't wipe their
old hard-disks anymore either.
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They keep stacking them.
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What scares me a little,
is that corporations are collecting huge
amounts of data about me.
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Corporations and governments
by the way.
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That at a certain moment the
analysis tools will get so powerful
that they can actually do
something with that data.
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And I know that this could
have consequences.
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At the moment I don't know yet
what those consequences might be.
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But it's a very scary idea to me,
that so much is being stored.
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And this can all be linked
together at a certain time.
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It sounds unbelievable,
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but over 60 years ago,
somebody already predicted
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more and more technology would
have a damaging effect.
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For example did we foresee that our
mails to friends and beloved would be read?
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No? Meet DPI.
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Deep Packet Inspection is an
analysis tool for electronic traffic.
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For targeted commercials
or copyright enforcement.
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In ordinary language: possibly
reading along with your emails.
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Most people say, if you ask:
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"What would you say if an email provider
would read the contents of your mails,
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and adjusts its advertising
based on those contents?"
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Then half of the people say
'I don't think that happens.'
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And a slightly smaller part says
'I don't think it will every happen'.
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'It's something for paranoid people to
think that companies would read my mails.'(Langer)
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Scanned in the tram.
Followed in the car.
Streets full with camera's.
A picture at the border.
My phone behavior mapped
with millimeter precision.
And my emails being read.
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Ok stop.
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Is it just me, or is this
getting a bit much?
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What was the definition for privacy again?
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No one shall be subjected to arbitrary or
unlawful interference within his privacy, right?
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If there are cameras along the road,
those speed cameras,
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then people adjust
their behavior.
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If there are pictures being
taken or not.
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Its they idea of possibly
being monitored.
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The domed prison is based
on this principle.
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In the center a watchtower
with blinded windows.
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Prisoners know they could
be watched all the time.
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This might not be true all the time,
but they will behave.
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They will behave differently.
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And in a prison I can
understand this.
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But the panopticon as
this concept is called
begins to apply more and more
to our modern society.
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Medieval prisons.
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They were dark cellars, filled with
vermin and torture chambers.
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But the people in charge
had a problem.
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Increasingly, prisoners wanted to
escape these horrible conditions.
In the unwatched prison cells
they could work for months,
on secret tunnels
and escape plans.
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The solution to this underground
chaos unfortunately didn't arrive
until the 19th century.
It was designed by the English
architect Jeremy Bentham.
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He thought of a construction
for the perfect prison.
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His idea: take all the prisoners
above the surface.
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Put them in rows next to each other.
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Illuminate it properly.
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Get to know the prisoners,
their behavior.
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Give them the feeling of
always being watched.
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Only then can you control them.
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"A fingerprint in your passport,
I actually think that's a good idea."
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Really?
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Yes, and I think it
also helps to
solve crimes, catch
people sooner.
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So the government can get
a better image of its own society."
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I have nothing to hide.
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Let them watch, I just walk around.
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And if you live normally, then what
about it? Then it's not a problem at all.
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Then let them watch and see me.
I don't have anything to hide.
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As long as it's not causing any trouble.
- Yes.
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I think when it does cause trouble,
then people will start to think about it.
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It was a thursday night, in Hoofddorp, near Amsterdam.
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Two girls, aged 3 and 7,
were sleeping.
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Their parents in the
room next to them.
PoliCE: 381. over.
Maybe you can try to get him right now.
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35 armed police officers with
automatic rifles stormed the house.
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They arrest the father, a drugs-criminal.
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And that wasn't the first time.
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Forced into the side of the road,
arrested on the airport,
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and prosecuted for
drugs related crimes.
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There was just one problem.
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This was not the man they sought.
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But the father and good
citizen Ron Kowsoleea.
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He found himself in
his own nightmare.
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An old classmate stole
his identity.
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This is why Kowsoleea was registered
in the police databases as a big criminal.
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Still after many promises, the
government made this mistake many times.
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The computer kept saying that Ron
was the perpetrator of heavy crimes.
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He was powerless.
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Even the minister of justice said:
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"Sir, you ARE his criminal.
Protests are futile."
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Only several years later,
the error was corrected.
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The Kowsoleea family went
bankrupt due to this case.
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They live on the street.
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All those errors in these systems
and in the handling of them by humans.
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And I might sound paranoid, but
I know this from cases.
This can also follow
you around internationally.
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That is exactly the oddity.
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The spreading of all this
personal information,
is the upcoming new venture for
criminals, the identity fraud.
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So data, and storing it,
can be dangerous.
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Systems are prone to errors
and can be hacked.
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Like with Diginotar.
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There is a Dutch company that
offers security certificates.
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They secure government websites,
online banking applications,
and the tax department.
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The party who supplied these certificates,
appeared to have been hacked,
for quite a while.
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They knew it themselves,
but hadn't told the public.
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This bubble blew, which had
large international consequences.
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Suddenly Windows Update could
no longer be considered secure.
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The largest computer operating system
basically had a huge security hole.
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Because a Dutch company had
made such a serious mistake.
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This caused a lot of criticism.
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Recently I was on an international
conference for hackers.
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If you mention your Dutch nationality,
this leak was the first topic of discussion.
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Diginotar?
- Yes, Diginotar.
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Diginotar taught us that very personal
information can easily land on the streets.
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But faith in technology is big.
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It penetrates into the most private
environments of our society.
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I'm visiting Ronald van der Berg,
a psychiatrist.
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Out of protest, he closed his practice. Why?
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My office has been closed for two years
because of the DBC, the 'Diagnose
Behandel Combinaties'.
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When visiting a psychiatrist
in the Netherlands,
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it is mandatory by law to send your
diagnosis to a national database.
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Anonymity at the psychiatrist
is now a thing of the past .
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Recorded are such things
as your condition,
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your place of residence,
your date of birth.
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the type of treatment you are
receiving, your medication.
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A psychiatrist quitting a flourishing
practice because of privacy violations.
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This shocks me.
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I decided to pay the creator
of this DBC a visit.
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The information your are submitting
about the patient is minimal.
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It is called
a minimal dataset.
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Because the requirement for storing
patient data is: keep it minimal.
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But is it minimal when it for example says
'Lightly suicidal and depressed'?
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Is that minimal?
- Yes, that is minimal.
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And what if you went into therapy,
- Yes
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Would you mind your diagnosis
being stored in such a database?
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No, I don't think so. Why?
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What if it says 'This man is depressed',
because it doesn't say more then that.
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That's common, that's a normal
thing in this society, right?
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It even happened in
the times of Plato.
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So what if it says,
this man has
sexual fantasies that aren't
accepted by society?
It will never say that.
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It won't? It will never say that?
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It can't be noted like that.
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However, it could mention,
say I was a pedophile,
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DBC Registration - Dr. J. Swinkels,
Diagnosis: Sexual Disorder Pedophilia.
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it will say that.
And then
you will have a problem.
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That would be a problem
- Yes, it would be.
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And that would be a problem for
both the patient, and me.
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If I would be a pedophile,
and I would act it out,
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there would be quite some interest
in a list of diagnosed pedophiles.
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The data in the DBS is stored at both the
government, and at your insurance company.
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But is my depression safe there?
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This information has double encryption,
which means it is encrypted twice.
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So it is more secure then
your ATM card.
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Bart Jacobs - Professor Computer Security
Double encryption does not tell me a lot,
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Bart Jacobs - Professor Computer Security
what matters is: who has the keys?
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If the keys are out there on the Internet
then you can encrypt it 10 times.
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But that won't really offer any
security.
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Look, if you have a group
of journalists
who turn breaking these
systems into a sport.
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To check if any mistakes have been made,
or when pretending to have my identity.
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You mean the reporter
Brenno the Winter?
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So you say you are Dr Swinkels,
and have a pass to enter a building,
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You break into the archives,
steal the file, and tell what is in it.
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Then saying 'This system is bad'.
I say the person doing this, is bad.
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But you could also say
'Welcome to the Digital Age'
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When creating these
databases,
there will always be people
trying to enter them.
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Yes, I understand your view.
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But it would be much easier,
without getting into a database.
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To just steal the physical files.
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But then you would need to go here-
- No, it's as simple as that.
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How?
- Just by breaking open the door.
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and the locker.
- Yes, but that's not the same
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because now you have a central
database where 1 person could-
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For example look at what
happened at Diginotar.
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Yes
