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- Hey, Gary. How’s it going?

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Alright, how are you doing Mr. Marty?

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- I’m doing fine
You can take your mask off.

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The good news is
that ICE is actually talking with me,

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and that’s a good thing.

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They don’t always do that.
Sometimes they just ignore attorneys.

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If ICE doesn’t respond
before your next hearing,

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what we’re going to do in your case is,

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we’re just going to go ahead
and apply for asylum,

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based on the current conditions in Haiti.

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Mr. Marty, isn’t asylum another step?

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Well, if we can’t get them
to agree on prosecutorial discretion,

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it’s really your only option
that you’re afraid to go back,

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because of what’s going on there.

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But hopefully we won’t have to do that.

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But I’m doing everything I can
to get you out before your next hearing.

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Marty, I can’t spend another day here.
- I know.

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I really can’t.

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My life is ruined.

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My life is getting ruined every day here.

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The things that happen in here, it’s sad.

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There are these young guys, man…

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attempting to commit suicide in here.

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- I know.

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There’s fights every day.

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You just make sure you stay safe, sir.

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It’s hard.
Mr. Marty, it’s hard.

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- I know.

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This is just worse than prison at times.

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- This is what I hear from a lot of people.

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So hang in there, sir. I know it’s hard.

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Alright. Thank you.

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- You take care of yourself now.

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Alright.

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- Have a good day.

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You too.

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That’s probably the stupidest
possible thing to say.

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Have a good day.

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I mean, you have to say something.
But no, he’s not going to have a good day.

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No matter what.
He’s not going to have a good day.

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Welcome to the automated
case information hotline.

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The following information relates
to the primary case only.

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For your next hearing date, press 1.
- Ready?

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The immigration judge...

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granted release.
- Yes! Oh, my God!

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We won!

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Oh, my God. I’m so happy.

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They’re going to ask me
what is the next step?

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The next step is that we have to see
if ICE is going to appeal.

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He may be released today or tomorrow.
We don’t know.

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We don’t know what’s going on.

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That is far out, yes!

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- Six starfish last week.

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Wait, that makes it six people
we got out last week.

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- It makes six people we got out last week.

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Tha’s amazing.

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Hi sir, welcome. Congratulations.
How are you?

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I am fine, thanks.
- Please please.

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Do you wanna call your brother?
- Oh yeah.

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We have to take a picture, because you are free now.

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And now you can enjoy real food again.

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Do I have to go to court again?

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No more.

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What you have to do is contact
our office in North Carolina,

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so the process for your
Green Card can start.

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In the meantime you can apply
for the driver’s license,

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a work permit, social security.

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I don’t know how long it takes,
but approximately one month.

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She is the oldest?
- Yes, she is the oldest.

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This is Christopher
and that’s the baby.

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Oh wow, look at that hair.
- She is big already.

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And that is my wife.
- Aww, she is beautiful.

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And these are the youngest.

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That is the whole family.

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That is beautiful. Wait till you are home.

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Actually,I haven’t met the baby yet.

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Wait till you see her,
when you are home again.

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Because that is the best feeling,
coming back home.

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It’s closed.

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I think that’s not the coolest thing.

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I think they should have
a waiting area to sit down.

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That’s totally not cool.

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I started making my own pizza
because the nearest pizza place,

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is an hour’s drive.

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I really like feeding people.
I really like working with the dough.

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Working with the dough
is very kind of tactile.

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And so much of my work
is just so ongoing.

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There really isn’t a clear end to it
because even if they get someone,

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out on bond here, then they move
the case up to North Carolina,

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and it sits there for months.

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So it’s just very, very concrete.

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So we just add a tablespoon of time
and just keep checking it.

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All people go to the United States
and leave their family, their loved ones.

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This is why I didn’t have a father.

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When I started dating Raúl,
he left too.

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So I said “why the United States, why?”

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I said “I will never, never go to the US
and leave my family.”

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Never.

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Do you want a tangerine?

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Okay, go and wash your hands.

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So, I never liked the United States.

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Now I’m only here for my children,

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and for a better future for them.

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But when I first came here,

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I didn’t understand English.

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I wanted to go back to Mexico.

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I wanted to leave.
This is not my place.

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I don’t belong here.

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And now that I have children,
I think differently.

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I say
“No, I have to stay, for them,

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so they will have a better future.”

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Also, they were born here.

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Why should I take them to another place,

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when they have everything here.

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This is a call by “Raúl”,

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a detainee in the Detention Center.

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This call will be recorded
and monitored.

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Dial 1 to accept the call.

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To reject this call press 2 or hang up.

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Thank you for using “Telmate”.

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Hey, what’s up?

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What’s going on?

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Nothing.
I’m waiting for the men to arrive.

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How are you?

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It’s okay.

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Your voice sounds less sore.

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Or not?

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Yeah.

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Well, didn’t they give you
the results?

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No.

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Why?

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Because...

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Or haven’t you asked?

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No.

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Nothing here. Just waiting.

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Do you still draw?

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Yes.

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What are you drawing?

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A car.

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I’m falling asleep.

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I don’t know what to talk about.

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Tell me something nice.

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I like you very much.

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That’s all?

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Oh very, very, very much.

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Okay.

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Me too.

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How much?

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To infinity and beyond.
Back and forth.

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Back and forth, again and again.

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Good.

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Good.

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Okay.
We’ll talk tomorrow.

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Yes,
I can talk to you in the morning.

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Keep taking the pills.

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Yes, I will.

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Okay.

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Okay, I like you very much.

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Bye.

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Bye.

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Love you too.

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Dream of me.

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The Obama administration started
this program called Secure Communities,

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which was supposed to target
dangerous convicted felons,

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but in reality, most of the people
who ended up in deportation proceedings,

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were people like Raúl.

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Anyone who was fingerprinted,
including minor traffic violations,

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ICE automatically got a copy
of those fingerprints.

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So, not only was it not used to target
convicted felons, but most of the people,

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who ended up in deportation proceedings
as a result of Secure Communities,

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hadn’t even been formally
charged with the crime.

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So in Raúl’s case, the fact that the light
on his license plate was out,

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gave some cop the excuse to pull them over.

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So Secure Communities actually
incentivized racial profiling,

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because any racist cop knew
that if they pulled someone over,

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for driving while brown,

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that ICE would be instantly notified
and they could be deported.

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There’s a parable about a little girl
who’s walking along the beach at low tide,

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and she’s picking up starfish one by one,
tossing them back into the ocean.

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And there’s this old man
who’s watching her very diligently,

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and he says, little girl,
why are you bothering to do that?

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You can’t possibly make a difference.
There’s thousands of starfish on the beach.

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And she said:
“Well, it made a difference to that one.”

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And that’s what keeps me going.
I mean, I can’t save everybody.

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Sometimes we lose.
But the people we do manage to save,

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that’s what it’s all about.

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- This is „The State of Things“ from the
American Tobacco Historic District.

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I’m Frank Stasio.

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Marty Rosenbluth decided to go
to law school at age 47.

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His goal was to practice international law.

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Marty spent a great deal of his career,

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working on human rights issues
in the Middle East,

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and he felt with a law degree
and his experience,

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it’d be a shoo-in for higher level jobs
at organizations he admired,

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like Greenpeace and Amnesty International.

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But while he was studying law at the
University of North Carolina Chapel Hill,

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he realized he didn’t have to go all the
way to Palestine to fight for human rights.

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There were immigrants who needed his help
right here in North Carolina.

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And so his mission took a sharp turn.

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Marty is now the only private
immigration attorney in Lumpkin, Georgia.

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Marty Rosenbluth is an associate attorney
at Polanco Law in Durham,

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and he joins us now from Lumpkin, Georgia.

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Hello, Marty.

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Hi. Thanks for having me on.

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- Marty, I want to talk all about
your journey and how you got here.

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But first of all, give us a number,
an idea of the number of detainees.

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And then secondly, is there
any particular reason?

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Do people get sent to Lumpkin,
to Stewart for a particular reason?

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Well, there are 2.100 detainees down here.

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The main reason why my firm
opened an office down there,

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was that there’s no long term
detention center in North Carolina.

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So everyone who’s picked up by ICE
in North Carolina,

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ends up down at the
Stewart Detention Center,

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which is why I’m here.
That’s why I moved down.

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- Tell us what Stewart is like.

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I like to say that Lumpkin isn’t just
in the middle of nowhere.

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It’s an hour from the middle of nowhere.

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They build these detention centers
on purpose in really remote areas,

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to block the detainees
from having access to counsel,

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to make it more difficult
for families to visit.

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And it’s a very difficult place
to practice law.

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Being down here,
I think I get reflective a lot.

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There was this pink shoe
that was in the parking lot forever.

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I’m probably exaggerating,
but it felt like it was there for weeks.

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I was seeing it every day.
And one day, I picked it up and took it home.

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And I was just thinking about this shoe,
as like a metaphor.

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Who did the shoe belong to?

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Was she seeing her father for the last time,
right before he was deported,

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and they were so anxious to leave
that they left in haste,

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or was she picking her dad up
at the jail after he got released.

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And they were so happy and excited,
they left the shoe behind.

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Or was it a brother,
or a cousin or an uncle?

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But the shoe didn’t have a mate.
The shoe had lost something.

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So I figured the least I can do is take it
and give it a home. So I brought it home.

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I’m hoping one day,
someone’s going to walk up to me and say:

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“I saw your Facebook post,
and I know who the shoe belongs to.”

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But I don’t think
that’s ever going to happen.

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Hello?

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Hola, hello. Is this Jefferson?

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- Yes.

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I’m here with attorney Marty.

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Do you feel comfortable
speaking in English?

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- Yes, I’m okay speaking in English.
No problem.

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Hi. Good morning, sir.
- Good morning. How are you?

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I’m doing fine.

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So how can we help you?

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- I have a friend of mine in custody.
I want to know if you can help me.

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He had what is called
a credible fear interview,

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with an asylum officer.

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So that’s the first step
in applying for asylum.

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Unfortunately, the asylum officer decided,

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that he did not have a credible fear,

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of returning to his country.

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- When he went to the interview,
everything the judge told him,

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was totally different,
than what he told the guy on the interview.

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We will do a thorough investigation,

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and if we think that he has a chance
at asylum, we’ll go ahead.

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And if not, we’ll just tell you
to save your money.

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- I paid $1.500 USD to a different attorney.

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She never spoke with the guy.

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She came to me and said,
oh, unfortunately, I can’t do anything.

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If he was in Florida, she was okay to call
and talk to the guy.

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But in Georgia, they don’t allow
the attorney to call.

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Unless she can go there.

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But she said, to be there,
it’s gonna cost more money.

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When I talked to the guy, he said:
“Jeff, I didn’t sign any paper for this lady.”

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Nothing got done.
And that was before the court.

00:26:10.708 --> 00:26:12.333
That’s what makes me mad.

00:26:12.541 --> 00:26:14.083
Well, she’s lying.

00:26:14.083 --> 00:26:19.833
And actually, one of the reasons
why my firm opened an office down here,

00:26:19.833 --> 00:26:23.125
was that we just heard
so many horror stories,

00:26:23.125 --> 00:26:27.208
about dishonest attorneys
ripping off their clients.

00:26:28.333 --> 00:26:31.041
- It’s crazy.
I don’t know how you feel.

00:26:31.041 --> 00:26:35.958
With somebody in the jail for four months.
If you can’t do anything, that’s fine.

00:26:35.958 --> 00:26:41.166
But taking the money from the person
who is in this situation and not even trying.

00:26:41.166 --> 00:26:42.666
God is there.

00:26:42.666 --> 00:26:45.666
You gonna pay the price,
one day or another day you pay the price.

00:27:15.583 --> 00:27:18.500
My name is Marty Rosenbluth,

00:27:18.500 --> 00:27:21.875
and your friend Jefferson
asked me to help you.

00:27:21.875 --> 00:27:23.958
I am an immigration attorney.

00:27:23.958 --> 00:27:27.916
When he did his asylum interview,
he wasn’t alone in the room.

00:27:27.916 --> 00:27:29.958
There were other people there?

00:27:31.333 --> 00:27:35.125
Were there other people in the room,

00:27:35.125 --> 00:27:38.916
when you did your interview
or were you alone?

00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:44.166
Yes. They did the interviews
separated by partition walls.

00:27:44.166 --> 00:27:46.625
There was one person next to me,

00:27:46.625 --> 00:27:47.958
and one person behind me.

00:27:47.958 --> 00:27:51.625
There were three sitting
on the other side,

00:27:51.625 --> 00:27:54.083
three were sitting and waiting,

00:27:54.083 --> 00:27:56.625
and a person in front of me.

00:27:56.625 --> 00:27:59.208
And I was facing her.

00:27:59.208 --> 00:28:02.500
The person next to me was separated,

00:28:02.500 --> 00:28:06.375
only with a partition wall.

00:28:06.375 --> 00:28:10.583
And another person
on the other side.

00:28:10.875 --> 00:28:12.583
Who were these people?

00:28:12.583 --> 00:28:15.208
Were they ICE officers
or were they other prisoners?

00:28:16.625 --> 00:28:18.166
No, they were other people,

00:28:18.166 --> 00:28:19.708
getting interviewed, too.

00:28:19.708 --> 00:28:21.583
I was only separated
by the partition wall.

00:28:21.583 --> 00:28:26.541
It wasn’t a room like this one,
only me talking.

00:28:27.208 --> 00:28:31.208
That’s 100% completely illegal, sir.

00:28:31.666 --> 00:28:33.875
They could hear you, right?

00:28:37.750 --> 00:28:42.833
I listened to what
he was saying in his interview,

00:28:42.833 --> 00:28:44.875
and he was listening to me.

00:28:44.875 --> 00:28:47.333
That’s why I felt...

00:28:47.333 --> 00:28:50.291
I was afraid to talk about
the police at all.

00:28:50.541 --> 00:28:53.791
I will try to get there today,
but if not tomorrow.

00:28:53.791 --> 00:28:58.250
But just on the basis of the
fact that you were not alone,

00:28:58.250 --> 00:29:03.875
I think that we can demand
a new interview in your case, sir.

00:29:08.666 --> 00:29:14.583
Thank you so much, madam interpreter.
Bye, sir.

00:29:20.291 --> 00:29:24.666
What your friend told us,
I am completely, completely blown away.

00:29:24.666 --> 00:29:29.833
There were two other people who
were getting their asylum interviews,

00:29:29.833 --> 00:29:31.875
at exactly the same time,

00:29:31.875 --> 00:29:33.583
that were within earshot,

00:29:33.583 --> 00:29:38.166
and on top of that,
there were three other people,

00:29:38.166 --> 00:29:40.541
who were waiting to be interviewed,

00:29:40.541 --> 00:29:43.083
who could also hear everything
he was saying.

00:29:43.083 --> 00:29:47.250
He was afraid to say stuff
about the Brazilian police,

00:29:47.250 --> 00:29:49.166
because there were other people listening.

00:29:49.166 --> 00:29:50.458
- Wow.
Yeah.

00:29:50.458 --> 00:29:53.708
And that’s like a complete
and total violation,

00:29:53.708 --> 00:29:56.958
of his basic due process rights.

00:29:56.958 --> 00:29:59.083
- What is the next step now?

00:29:59.083 --> 00:30:01.458
Okay. So yeah, we have a couple of steps.

00:30:02.041 --> 00:30:07.416
The first step is that I am going
to email ICE immediately.

00:30:08.791 --> 00:30:14.416
I am writing to urgently request
a new CFI interview for my client.

00:30:14.916 --> 00:30:19.333
It is clear that under the regulations
that these interviews must be held,

00:30:19.333 --> 00:30:21.541
in total privacy and confidence.

00:30:22.083 --> 00:30:25.041
I also request that you investigate
this issue to make sure,

00:30:25.041 --> 00:30:27.541
that incidents like this are not repeated.

00:30:27.708 --> 00:30:34.708
Then we immediately want him to have
another credible fear interview in confidence,

00:30:38.125 --> 00:30:41.958
and I have to pick the right word,

00:30:41.958 --> 00:30:46.416
but I want to come as close
to “demand” as I can,

00:30:46.416 --> 00:30:50.500
that he not be removed
until he can have another interview.

00:30:50.958 --> 00:30:54.583
We strongly urge you
to delay any efforts to remove him,

00:30:54.583 --> 00:30:56.958
until this situation is resolved.

00:30:57.958 --> 00:31:01.750
If you do remove him,
I will sue your ass back to the stone age.

00:31:01.750 --> 00:31:02.833
You should say that.

00:31:02.833 --> 00:31:06.041
I am attaching my G28 for your reference.

00:31:07.833 --> 00:31:09.291
Okay, too late now.

00:32:30.041 --> 00:32:32.375
We were pretty surprised.

00:32:32.375 --> 00:32:36.750
I thought that it was open and shut.

00:32:36.750 --> 00:32:41.000
As soon as we notified them that
there were other people in the room,

00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:44.833
that they would say, oh, yes,
that’s inappropriate.

00:32:44.833 --> 00:32:47.250
And they would give him another interview.

00:32:47.250 --> 00:32:50.625
But they just sent me back,

00:32:50.625 --> 00:32:53.791
a really short statement saying,

00:32:55.416 --> 00:32:57.458
we have reviewed your case,

00:32:57.458 --> 00:32:59.291
and we are not going to re-interview him.

00:32:59.291 --> 00:33:00.958
We’re standing by our decision.

00:33:01.708 --> 00:33:04.708
I spoke to another attorney
who also filed a complaint,

00:33:04.708 --> 00:33:06.458
and they said the same thing to him.

00:33:06.458 --> 00:33:10.000
It’s very frustrating
when they’re not doing,

00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:15.000
what they’re supposed to do
and what the law says.

00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:18.958
And in fact, you know,
that they know they’re in the wrong,

00:33:18.958 --> 00:33:21.125
but they’re still not going to back down.

00:33:21.125 --> 00:33:24.833
We were hoping that things
were going to change under Biden,

00:33:24.833 --> 00:33:27.208
but this is the same old crap.

00:35:01.750 --> 00:35:04.750
Take those toys away,
I could step on them and trip.

00:35:07.791 --> 00:35:10.791
Leave it, leave it! Aranza!

00:35:12.166 --> 00:35:14.166
Yes! You will cut yourself.

00:35:22.125 --> 00:35:28.625
I try to do my best to get ahead
and not depend on anyone.

00:35:36.250 --> 00:35:41.166
Now I prepare dinners at night
and I sell the food to five people,

00:35:41.166 --> 00:35:46.500
and I also make the laundry for them.

00:35:48.791 --> 00:35:51.166
This is Raúl’s knife.

00:35:53.166 --> 00:35:57.583
Whenever there was a party,
Raúl was the cook.

00:35:58.208 --> 00:36:03.333
Raúl always makes the carnitas
and uses this knife.

00:36:09.708 --> 00:36:14.291
I have felt stressed, I have headaches,
I don’t want to go out.

00:36:14.291 --> 00:36:18.500
I don’t want to do anything,
I just want to stay home.

00:36:19.083 --> 00:36:22.500
That’s not called stress,
that’s called a depression.

00:36:29.416 --> 00:36:33.041
Well, I don’t wanna do anything,
I don’t feel like it.

00:36:33.041 --> 00:36:36.666
But if do,
I only do it for Jacob and Aranza.

00:36:36.666 --> 00:36:40.375
I am even tired to cook for the men
and wash their clothes.

00:36:40.375 --> 00:36:43.750
I don’t wanna do it anymore.

00:36:43.750 --> 00:36:48.208
Yes exactly, that’s not stress,
that’s a depression.

00:36:48.208 --> 00:36:51.875
Believe me, time is not moving forward.
I just wish the 29th of July would be today,

00:36:51.875 --> 00:36:54.708
so we finally know what is going to happen.

00:36:54.708 --> 00:36:59.375
You have to prepare mentally for everything.

00:36:59.375 --> 00:37:05.166
The lawyer says something today,
but it can be different tomorrow.

00:37:05.166 --> 00:37:09.625
I actually think he won’t come out.

00:37:11.375 --> 00:37:14.625
Don’t think like that,
because you gonna jinx it.

00:37:14.625 --> 00:37:18.125
You have to stay positive,
but also if he doesn’t get out,

00:37:18.125 --> 00:37:20.125
you must be prepared.

00:37:20.125 --> 00:37:23.250
But I still don’t want to get my hopes up,

00:37:23.250 --> 00:37:25.166
because it’s going to be for me like,

00:37:25.166 --> 00:37:27.583
that time we went to Columbus.

00:37:28.833 --> 00:37:32.666
So that’s why I don’t want to get my hopes up,
because I’m going to end up sad.

00:37:32.666 --> 00:37:34.666
But you also have to support him.

00:37:34.666 --> 00:37:38.500
But I don’t know what to say or how to support him.

00:37:40.416 --> 00:37:41.625
You have to ask God.

00:37:47.958 --> 00:37:50.166
God is not listening to me.

00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:53.500
Yes, he listens to you, every day.

00:37:54.541 --> 00:37:55.958
No, I can’t.

00:37:56.583 --> 00:38:01.041
If you listen to it more,
God is always with you.

00:38:01.041 --> 00:38:05.083
Well, I don’t think so.
I’m disappointed.

00:38:06.500 --> 00:38:08.416
So have faith.

00:38:09.208 --> 00:38:11.125
But I’m already losing it.

00:38:16.208 --> 00:38:17.666
Well take care.

00:38:17.666 --> 00:38:20.083
You too and greetings to the kids.

00:38:21.041 --> 00:38:23.250
Well, take care.

00:38:37.458 --> 00:38:40.958
- Talking to Marty Rosenbluth.
He is in Lumpkin, Georgia, right now.

00:38:40.958 --> 00:38:42.958
We’re going to try to get connected
with him again.

00:38:42.958 --> 00:38:46.625
We’ll talk about the impact
of the private prison industry,

00:38:46.625 --> 00:38:48.333
on our immigration policy.

00:38:48.416 --> 00:38:49.333
Does it have an effect?

00:38:49.416 --> 00:38:54.958
Do we have the kind of laws
in this country to detain so many people,

00:38:54.958 --> 00:38:58.958
because of the lobbying efforts
of private firms that are profiting,

00:38:58.958 --> 00:39:02.666
by keeping people behind bars
and detention centers like Stewart.

00:39:02.666 --> 00:39:04.958
I wanna ask about that,
as soon as we get that connection back.

00:39:05.708 --> 00:39:07.583
And he may be back on the line now.

00:39:07.666 --> 00:39:08.958
Are you there, Marty?

00:39:09.041 --> 00:39:13.041
I want to know about Stewart,
because it is a private center. Right?

00:39:13.041 --> 00:39:17.083
So tell us about the fact these
privatized centers now are making money,

00:39:17.083 --> 00:39:19.083
from our immigration policy, right?

00:39:19.333 --> 00:39:25.750
Making a lot of money.
It’s a multibillion dollar industry.

00:39:25.750 --> 00:39:30.666
They promise jobs, jobs, jobs
to these communities.

00:39:30.666 --> 00:39:34.041
But most of the work
of running the detention center,

00:39:34.041 --> 00:39:35.458
except for the guards,

00:39:35.458 --> 00:39:43.041
the maintenance, cooking, laundry,
all that stuff is done by the detainees,

00:39:43.041 --> 00:39:46.333
who get paid between 1$ to $4 per day.

00:39:47.083 --> 00:39:48.833
- That doesn’t sound legal either,
but I guess it is.

00:39:49.458 --> 00:39:51.625
Crazily enough it is legal.

00:39:51.625 --> 00:39:56.041
I mean, it’s a law
from eighteen hundred something or other,

00:39:56.041 --> 00:39:58.333
that enables them to do so.

00:39:58.333 --> 00:40:00.708
People who are fighting
against these policy,

00:40:00.708 --> 00:40:02.458
are using the anti-slavery laws,

00:40:02.458 --> 00:40:06.458
to fight against the fact,
that they’re only paying people $1 a day.

00:41:11.250 --> 00:41:14.541
I was actually quite conservative
when I was younger.

00:41:14.541 --> 00:41:17.083
I went to Antioch College in Ohio.

00:41:17.083 --> 00:41:21.041
Not all that far from
Kent State University.

00:41:22.333 --> 00:41:28.291
And the administration at Kent
decided to build a gymnasium,

00:41:28.791 --> 00:41:32.666
on the site where the students
were murdered.

00:41:32.666 --> 00:41:37.458
And they designed it in a way
that it would block the line fire,

00:41:37.458 --> 00:41:43.458
so no one could see any more
that it was just cold blooded murder,

00:41:43.458 --> 00:41:45.250
because there’s no possible way,

00:41:45.250 --> 00:41:49.166
the students could have been threatening
the National Guard in any way.

00:41:50.083 --> 00:41:52.708
So there was a huge protest.

00:41:52.708 --> 00:41:57.708
People came from all over the country
and had built a tent city,

00:41:57.708 --> 00:42:00.166
and occupied the construction site.

00:42:00.416 --> 00:42:05.708
And I ended up spending
most of the summer there.

00:42:08.125 --> 00:42:13.666
And somehow the police intelligence
or lack of intelligence,

00:42:13.666 --> 00:42:19.208
decided that I was the leader
of the Antioch contingent,

00:42:19.208 --> 00:42:22.833
which couldn’t possibly be less true.

00:42:22.833 --> 00:42:26.125
I was still quite conservative then.
I was just there as a journalist.

00:42:27.083 --> 00:42:31.666
But I ended up getting thrown into jail
for a couple of weeks,

00:42:31.708 --> 00:42:36.458
with all these communists
and anarchists and Marxists.

00:42:37.458 --> 00:42:41.833
And of course regular prisoners.

00:42:41.833 --> 00:42:46.833
So I was exposed to stuff
that I had never been exposed to before.

00:42:47.583 --> 00:42:55.708
So I went into the jail as a conservative
and I came out a flaming radical.

00:43:21.875 --> 00:43:25.375
Mama, I want you to buy me a rocket.

00:43:25.375 --> 00:43:28.375
Ok ok. Now, give me that and put it here.

00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:32.833
How do rockets sound like?

00:43:33.500 --> 00:43:35.041
Like this!

00:43:48.958 --> 00:43:50.666
Did it fly to the sky?

00:43:52.708 --> 00:43:54.625
How does it rumble?

00:43:55.541 --> 00:43:57.333
Like a gunshot.

00:45:05.708 --> 00:45:07.208
Jacob...

00:45:07.208 --> 00:45:08.791
Come, it’s your father.

00:45:21.916 --> 00:45:24.125
Hey, what’s up?

00:45:25.791 --> 00:45:27.708
What did you do today?

00:45:27.708 --> 00:45:29.375
They brought us popcorn.

00:45:29.916 --> 00:45:34.375
Ah, for the Fourth of July.

00:45:34.375 --> 00:45:38.916
And then as the kitchen did not work,
they brought us a sandwich.

00:45:38.916 --> 00:45:42.083
No way, that’s the only thing you got today?

00:45:45.916 --> 00:45:48.375
Some chips and an apple.

00:45:49.833 --> 00:45:53.500
Then we put the bread in the microwave.

00:45:53.500 --> 00:45:55.666
Did it get toasted?

00:45:56.458 --> 00:46:01.708
No, it was all burned and not toasted.

00:46:02.625 --> 00:46:08.041
I was going to talk to the lawyer
and I didn’t even remember that it is July 4th.

00:46:08.625 --> 00:46:10.875
Why did you call him?

00:46:10.875 --> 00:46:14.916
I was going to ask him
if you get out,

00:46:14.916 --> 00:46:19.000
are you able to leave the same day?

00:46:24.458 --> 00:46:26.291
But he didn’t answer me.

00:46:28.375 --> 00:46:32.333
Jacob said “Mom, when my dad comes out,
you buy me rockets.”

00:46:41.791 --> 00:46:43.583
Your dad is hanging up.

00:46:45.541 --> 00:46:46.625
Get Aranza.

00:46:46.625 --> 00:46:50.458
I love you so much dad.

00:46:50.458 --> 00:46:53.708
Good bye, I love you.

00:46:53.708 --> 00:46:58.250
Yes, I love you!
Lots of kisses, kisses, kisses!

00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:23.166
I love you so much,
stay strong and don’t get discouraged.

00:47:24.166 --> 00:47:27.083
Ok, I love you also so much.

00:47:27.083 --> 00:47:30.875
Take care, go to bed now
and don’t stay up so long.

00:47:32.083 --> 00:47:35.333
Well, let’s see.

00:47:59.833 --> 00:48:02.333
Hello sir. How are you?

00:48:02.333 --> 00:48:03.458
Hello, how are you, I’m fine.

00:48:03.458 --> 00:48:04.875
Very well.

00:48:04.958 --> 00:48:11.916
Ok. Today, we have to practice
how you need to testify in court.

00:48:12.916 --> 00:48:14.250
Okay.

00:48:14.666 --> 00:48:18.333
So, I have an official translator.

00:48:18.916 --> 00:48:27.666
Because in court,
you can only say one sentence at a time.

00:48:28.916 --> 00:48:31.916
Because the translator needs to translate well.

00:48:32.708 --> 00:48:34.041
Okay, that’s fine.

00:48:36.041 --> 00:48:38.416
What language do you require?

00:48:38.458 --> 00:48:39.333
Spanish.

00:48:40.833 --> 00:48:44.666
Okay, I heard Spanish. Is that correct?

00:48:44.958 --> 00:48:46.750
Yes.

00:48:46.791 --> 00:48:51.083
Please hold while I connect you
with a Spanish interpreter.

00:48:52.458 --> 00:48:59.041
Thank you. Your call may be monitored
or recorded for quality assurance purposes.

00:49:00.583 --> 00:49:05.875
- Hello. This is Annadin. I speak Spanish.
When you’re ready, please go ahead.

00:49:05.875 --> 00:49:09.125
The first thing I want to do
is to explain to him,

00:49:09.125 --> 00:49:11.750
how the hearing itself is going to work.

00:49:11.750 --> 00:49:17.166
So the immigration court
is very different than any other court.

00:49:18.416 --> 00:49:20.583
He has to remember
that we have to prove,

00:49:20.583 --> 00:49:22.500
four different things at his hearing.

00:49:23.041 --> 00:49:27.208
I don’t think any of the first three
are going to be a problem.

00:49:27.666 --> 00:49:32.208
But the fourth thing
is going to be the most difficult.

00:49:32.791 --> 00:49:37.166
We have to prove
that if you are deported,

00:49:37.625 --> 00:49:39.708
that it’s going to cause,

00:49:39.708 --> 00:49:44.583
an exceptional
and extremely unusual hardship,

00:49:44.583 --> 00:49:47.000
to your U.S. citizen children.

00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:52.083
Exceptional and extremely unusual
is a very high bar.

00:49:52.083 --> 00:49:54.291
It’s very difficult to prove.

00:49:54.291 --> 00:50:01.625
But his son’s learning difficulties
and his son’s communication problems,

00:50:01.625 --> 00:50:04.583
I think, are sufficient to prove that.

00:50:05.083 --> 00:50:10.291
So tell the court about your children.

00:50:10.291 --> 00:50:14.083
Are they in school yet,
or are they too young?

00:50:14.416 --> 00:50:22.583
Jacob is going to start school soon.
I believe on the 5th of August.

00:50:23.041 --> 00:50:27.916
And do either of your children have,

00:50:27.916 --> 00:50:32.083
any physical or emotional
problems or difficulties.

00:50:32.375 --> 00:50:42.083
Yes, the doctor diagnosed him
with a learning disability.

00:50:42.083 --> 00:50:48.250
We checked the problem when he learned to walk
and started bumping into everything.

00:50:49.208 --> 00:50:53.708
And can he talk a little bit more please
about his learning disability?

00:50:53.708 --> 00:50:59.416
I saw it when he was younger
that he didn’t play much.

00:51:00.833 --> 00:51:06.041
I thought he didn’t want to,
but he didn’t know how to play yet.

00:51:07.083 --> 00:51:12.291
What do you think would happen
to your son if you were deported?

00:51:14.125 --> 00:51:17.958
Well, I don’t know.

00:51:17.958 --> 00:51:21.250
I don’t know what would happen,
but it will be bad for him.

00:51:22.208 --> 00:51:27.958
The more he can talk about that
and the more clearly he can talk about,

00:51:27.958 --> 00:51:34.666
his son’s learning difficulties,
and his son’s communication difficulties,

00:51:35.833 --> 00:51:37.500
the better it will be.

00:51:37.500 --> 00:51:45.541
So, the fact that his family
is going to have economic difficulties,

00:51:45.541 --> 00:51:49.833
the fact that his family
is not going to have enough money,

00:51:49.833 --> 00:51:51.583
all that type of stuff,

00:51:51.583 --> 00:51:53.833
really does not matter to the court,

00:51:53.833 --> 00:51:55.958
because everybody experiences that.

00:51:56.875 --> 00:52:00.791
We have to prove
that what’s going to happen to his family,

00:52:00.791 --> 00:52:04.458
is much worse than what happens
to every other family,

00:52:04.458 --> 00:52:06.416
from people who are deported.

00:52:10.125 --> 00:52:13.833
They’re going to cut off our time
in about 2 minutes.

00:52:14.833 --> 00:52:19.875
So I will come see you again,
either on Saturday or Sunday,

00:52:19.875 --> 00:52:22.750
just to make sure
you don’t have any other questions.

00:52:23.041 --> 00:52:24.875
That’s fine.

00:52:25.791 --> 00:52:28.583
Okay. So does he have any questions for me.

00:52:35.583 --> 00:52:39.750
Can I have a pencil in my hand?

00:52:39.750 --> 00:52:42.916
For the nerves.

00:52:43.166 --> 00:52:44.916
For what?

00:52:45.166 --> 00:52:49.375
Because I could get nervous.
I’ve never been to court.

00:52:49.583 --> 00:52:55.250
Yeah, he can have a pen in his hand
and I’ll bring him a pad as well.

00:52:55.250 --> 00:52:57.083
I’ll bring you a pad and a pencil.

00:52:59.083 --> 00:53:01.083
Okay.

00:53:01.708 --> 00:53:05.583
So don’t worry.
I think you have a good case,

00:53:05.583 --> 00:53:07.458
and we’ll just see what happens.

00:53:15.583 --> 00:53:16.583
Okay.

00:53:16.666 --> 00:53:19.041
I will see you
on Saturday or Sunday.

00:53:25.041 --> 00:53:25.958
Bye bye.

00:53:28.208 --> 00:53:29.916
I always say it’s 50:50,

00:53:29.916 --> 00:53:32.250
because either it gets approved
or it doesn’t.

00:53:32.250 --> 00:53:35.041
There’s really no way.

00:53:35.041 --> 00:53:36.958
I’ve had judges,

00:53:36.958 --> 00:53:40.166
where I’ve had two
or three almost identical cases,

00:53:40.166 --> 00:53:42.625
with almost identical sets of facts,

00:53:42.625 --> 00:53:44.750
and have gotten different rulings.

00:53:45.583 --> 00:53:48.208
So you never really know for sure.

00:53:48.208 --> 00:53:52.583
Part of it is going to be Raúl himself.

00:53:53.041 --> 00:53:55.791
Part of it’s going to be his wife.

00:53:56.791 --> 00:53:59.708
And I hate to say it,
but part of it is going to be,

00:53:59.708 --> 00:54:03.250
which side of the bed the judge
gets out on that morning.

00:54:12.708 --> 00:54:13.958
- Do you see the chicken?

00:54:13.958 --> 00:54:17.333
I do not.
Well, they could be anywhere.

00:54:17.333 --> 00:54:18.791
They tend to get around.

00:54:20.333 --> 00:54:23.833
They like hanging out
in the front garden from time to time.

00:54:29.458 --> 00:54:31.291
Chickens.

00:54:35.708 --> 00:54:42.708
I don’t know where they went.

00:55:11.916 --> 00:55:13.458
What’s up, kitty?

00:55:22.416 --> 00:55:23.833
Oh there they are.

00:55:24.750 --> 00:55:26.166
Hello, ladies.

00:55:27.125 --> 00:55:28.541
Good morning.

00:55:31.125 --> 00:55:32.541
How you doing?

00:55:38.833 --> 00:55:41.208
You guys have to start earning your keep.

00:55:41.375 --> 00:55:42.458
I give you a lot of food,

00:55:42.458 --> 00:55:44.333
and you haven’t given us any eggs at all.

00:55:44.666 --> 00:55:46.208
Not a single egg.

00:55:47.250 --> 00:55:51.041
They’ve got another couple of days
and we’re making chicken soup.

00:55:52.458 --> 00:55:54.041
Nah, they can stick around.

00:55:54.416 --> 00:55:56.666
No, I mean, they do it sometimes.
Hens just stop laying.

00:55:56.666 --> 00:55:58.083
They’ll come back.

00:55:58.541 --> 00:55:59.958
And we can always get more.

00:56:02.500 --> 00:56:04.750
We can get eggs at the supermarket.

00:56:04.750 --> 00:56:06.916
They’re a lot of fun to have around though.

00:56:06.916 --> 00:56:09.708
Very nice way to start the day.

00:56:09.708 --> 00:56:12.583
Just kind of like roaming around the garden,
feeding chickens.

00:56:17.958 --> 00:56:21.208
And „Blue“ is always on duty,
always on watch.

00:57:01.416 --> 00:57:05.083
I was born in Brooklyn, corner of
Flatbush Avenue and Kings Highway,

00:57:05.083 --> 00:57:09.291
and like many other white families,
we fled to the suburbs.

00:57:09.291 --> 00:57:10.708
It was white flight.

00:57:10.708 --> 00:57:13.541
I must have been like 11 or 12.

00:57:16.041 --> 00:57:19.041
That’s really washed out.
But I think that’s still me.

00:57:26.333 --> 00:57:27.833
This is me at Antioch,

00:57:27.833 --> 00:57:31.750
in the newspaper office,
where I spent most of my time.

00:57:34.125 --> 00:57:37.083
And this is me.
I’m pretty sure it’s in Gaza.

00:57:37.833 --> 00:57:40.958
It could have been the West Bank,
but I’m pretty sure it was Gaza.

00:57:50.041 --> 00:57:53.541
I used to wear mismatched Converse Allstars,

00:57:53.541 --> 00:57:55.791
so I would wear different colors.

00:57:55.791 --> 00:57:58.125
One black, one red.

00:57:58.125 --> 00:58:00.666
Those were kind of like my trademark.

00:58:05.208 --> 00:58:08.833
My dad was just kind of a very gentle soul.

00:58:08.833 --> 00:58:10.583
He was just a nice guy.

00:58:11.041 --> 00:58:13.208
I was in my senior year in high school,

00:58:13.208 --> 00:58:15.208
when I had the surgery,

00:58:15.208 --> 00:58:20.291
to correct the difference in my legs,
the length differential.

00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:27.833
And at that point, I think he
was pretty much unemployed.

00:58:27.833 --> 00:58:30.208
And I spent weeks in the hospital.

00:58:30.208 --> 00:58:32.333
It was a complete nightmare.

00:58:33.041 --> 00:58:39.083
And he came to visit every day.
And he would ask me what I wanted to eat.

00:58:39.666 --> 00:58:42.208
And he would bring me
whatever I asked for really.

00:58:42.208 --> 00:58:47.541
One day, I asked for a dozen raw clams
and somehow he found them.

00:58:48.500 --> 00:58:52.958
And my favorite was the
New York street-cart hot dogs.

00:58:52.958 --> 00:58:55.291
So he was always bringing me hot dogs.

00:58:56.541 --> 00:59:00.791
He kept me company in
the hospital and visited.

00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:04.916
I think that was the first time
we ever really bonded.

00:59:05.416 --> 00:59:08.500
Unfortunately, it was right
before I went away to college,

00:59:08.500 --> 00:59:09.791
but it stayed with us.

00:59:10.083 --> 00:59:11.833
We got much closer after that.

00:59:11.833 --> 00:59:12.916
He was pretty special.

00:59:14.791 --> 00:59:16.916
He was an attorney at one point,

00:59:16.916 --> 00:59:18.375
not a very successful one,

00:59:18.375 --> 00:59:21.458
and he really wanted to be a chef.

00:59:22.083 --> 00:59:24.625
He went to law school because
that’s what his parents expected.

00:59:26.916 --> 00:59:31.416
And he wasn’t actually alive
when I got into law school.

00:59:32.041 --> 00:59:33.750
He had already passed.

00:59:33.750 --> 00:59:36.083
But it would have been a
very interesting conversation.

01:00:02.375 --> 01:00:05.083
Today is July 29th,
2019 at the Stewart Immigration Court,

01:00:05.083 --> 01:00:07.041
Stewart Detention Center
in Lumpkin, Georgia.

01:00:07.041 --> 01:00:10.333
This is an individual hearing
in the matter of Raúl Rodriguez.

01:00:10.333 --> 01:00:12.750
We are here today,
so that I can make a decision,

01:00:12.750 --> 01:00:15.291
as to whether the respondent should receive
“Cancellation of Removal”,

01:00:15.291 --> 01:00:20.250
by considering his 8 page form 42B
that’s already been marked ...

01:00:24.208 --> 01:00:26.458
Bye Wags, I’ll be home soon.

01:00:26.833 --> 01:00:28.583
Take care puppy.

01:00:31.666 --> 01:00:35.333
Your tail is going to fall off
one of these days, I swear.

01:00:37.333 --> 01:00:38.041
Be a good puppy.

01:02:42.333 --> 01:02:46.541
We are back on the record
in the matter of Raúl Rodriguez.

01:02:46.541 --> 01:02:50.041
Sir, I deny your application for
“Cancellation of Removal”.

01:02:50.041 --> 01:02:54.750
But sir, I am going to grant your request for
“voluntary departure”.

01:02:54.750 --> 01:02:55.958
The order is final right now.

01:02:55.958 --> 01:02:58.250
Ladies and gentlemen,
I want to thank all of you for coming down,

01:02:58.250 --> 01:03:00.166
and supporting the respondant today.

01:03:00.166 --> 01:03:04.666
I wish those of you who live away,
safe travels back to your homes.

01:03:04.666 --> 01:03:09.125
And sir to you, Mr. Rodriguez,
I wish you the best of luck.

01:03:09.125 --> 01:03:10.791
And we are adjourned.

01:05:32.583 --> 01:05:36.291
I felt the whole world fell upon on me.

01:05:36.708 --> 01:05:40.333
I thought, how can it be possible
after so long,

01:05:40.333 --> 01:05:43.458
so much waiting,

01:05:43.458 --> 01:05:47.125
that in the end they tell you
he’s not going to get out.

01:05:54.375 --> 01:05:58.083
He wanted to hang himself.
He wanted to end his life.

01:05:58.083 --> 01:06:01.833
So that night we were talking and I told him,
how are you going to think that?

01:06:01.833 --> 01:06:05.708
I mean, you’re going to get out of there,
you’re not going to stay there forever.

01:06:20.250 --> 01:06:23.291
I told him, maybe we did not win this battle,

01:06:23.291 --> 01:06:26.166
but better things will come for us.

01:06:26.708 --> 01:06:29.750
You don’t have to think about ending your life.

01:06:29.750 --> 01:06:34.875
You have two, two lives
for which you have to keep going.

01:06:37.375 --> 01:06:39.375
Now you say you want to end it,

01:06:39.375 --> 01:06:41.375
because you can’t stand it anymore.

01:06:41.375 --> 01:06:42.833
But I know you can.

01:08:33.583 --> 01:08:35.250
C is for cookie...

01:08:37.958 --> 01:08:41.041
Tomorrow’s my birthday.
So you should have extra treats.

01:08:43.666 --> 01:08:45.666
Would you like some birthday cake?

01:08:46.708 --> 01:08:48.708
Would you like some birthday cookies?

01:09:03.041 --> 01:09:05.166
Ok, but this is it, just one more,

01:09:05.166 --> 01:09:07.000
because you’re going to get fat...

01:09:08.125 --> 01:09:10.083
and spoiled.

01:09:10.125 --> 01:09:11.541
Just one more, okay?

01:09:13.208 --> 01:09:14.333
Can I get a kiss?

01:09:15.041 --> 01:09:16.666
I dont’ have another cookie.

01:09:16.666 --> 01:09:18.833
I’ll take the kiss,
but I don’t have another cookie.

01:09:19.791 --> 01:09:22.083
It’s quite enough for one day.

01:09:24.458 --> 01:09:26.250
Hey, now that’s my finger.

01:09:26.250 --> 01:09:28.708
That’s not a cookie.

01:09:40.416 --> 01:09:44.708
The work that I’m doing
is not the work that I do,

01:09:44.708 --> 01:09:46.416
it’s who I am.

01:09:48.791 --> 01:09:50.625
I mean, this is just me.

01:09:52.625 --> 01:09:57.375
From a very young age,
regardless of what my politics were,

01:09:57.375 --> 01:10:03.458
I always felt that I needed
to be working against injustice.

01:10:03.458 --> 01:10:05.916
Of course, when I was younger,
I didn’t realize,

01:10:05.916 --> 01:10:10.250
that I was actually working
for injustice in some ways,

01:10:10.250 --> 01:10:12.333
back when I was a Zionist.

01:10:14.041 --> 01:10:16.458
But yeah, it’s just who I am,

01:10:20.875 --> 01:10:24.708
and I don’t see myself ever as stopping.

01:10:25.958 --> 01:10:31.166
I joke that they’re going
to have to wheel me out of court,

01:10:31.166 --> 01:10:34.083
either in a wheelbarrow or in a wheelchair.

01:10:34.083 --> 01:10:37.625
I’m just not going to stop.
I don’t know what I would do.

01:14:27.541 --> 01:14:31.541
Yes, good afternoon.
I’m calling to place an order.

01:14:32.041 --> 01:14:34.708
Ok, alright, I’m ready.

01:14:34.875 --> 01:14:36.833
Do you have Coca-Cola?

01:14:36.958 --> 01:14:38.291
Of course.

01:14:38.291 --> 01:14:42.458
Can you send me about three boxes?

01:14:42.458 --> 01:14:44.666
What is the price of the poblano chili?

01:14:44.666 --> 01:14:47.125
Alright. The entire role.

01:14:47.125 --> 01:14:50.333
And the box of cilantro?
How much for it?

01:14:50.333 --> 01:14:57.583
The whole chicken is also by the pound?
How many pounds are in one box?

01:14:57.583 --> 01:15:07.416
It goes from 60 lbs to 70 lbs round about.
Roughly 16, like 16 to 20 chickens.

01:15:11.583 --> 01:15:14.416
As I am telling you,
since I don’t have much space,

01:15:14.416 --> 01:15:17.041
I can’t order much right now.

01:15:17.041 --> 01:15:19.583
Yeah, I get it, I understand.

01:15:19.583 --> 01:15:24.125
If you have forgotten something
you have until tomorrow 10am to add something.

01:15:36.250 --> 01:15:41.333
There are days when I’m thinking all night:
What’s going to happen?

01:15:42.125 --> 01:15:43.875
How can we live?

01:15:44.750 --> 01:15:46.666
What do we have to do?

01:15:46.916 --> 01:15:50.125
If every day is going to be
work, work and work...

01:15:50.125 --> 01:15:52.708
and not really having a social life.

01:15:55.250 --> 01:15:58.041
My children tell me “don’t work anymore,

01:15:58.041 --> 01:16:01.291
stop working, stay at home, stay with us.

01:16:01.291 --> 01:16:04.958
We want to go to the park.
We want to go to the beach.”

01:16:06.458 --> 01:16:09.541
It’s not about whether you like it or not.

01:16:09.541 --> 01:16:14.041
These are things we have to learn to get ahead.

01:16:22.666 --> 01:16:24.791
It’s a lot of stress when you don’t know,

01:16:24.791 --> 01:16:27.291
what’s going to happen tomorrow.

01:16:27.291 --> 01:16:31.958
The police could stop you
for the smallest detail.

01:16:50.833 --> 01:16:54.708
We don’t know what awaits us,
when we leave our home.

01:16:55.625 --> 01:17:00.333
Many people never returned home,
because of a car accident.

01:17:01.125 --> 01:17:07.166
I try to leave my home in good spirits,
so they keep a good impression,

01:17:07.166 --> 01:17:11.000
in case something happens to me.

01:17:11.708 --> 01:17:15.833
We have to keep going.
With caution. Carefully.

01:17:15.833 --> 01:17:19.583
And live with what we have.

01:17:26.833 --> 01:17:27.458
Hurry up!

01:18:21.958 --> 01:18:22.458
Hello.

01:18:22.958 --> 01:18:23.416
- Hi.

01:18:23.666 --> 01:18:24.958
Is this Officer Stevens?

01:18:25.458 --> 01:18:26.250
- Yeah.

01:18:26.291 --> 01:18:33.958
This is attorney Marty Rosenbluth.
I’m the attorney for Mariana…

01:18:34.041 --> 01:18:35.541
Do you need her A-number?

01:18:36.958 --> 01:18:39.666
- Can you just tell me
the purpose of the call?

01:18:39.708 --> 01:18:42.958
I’m trying to get an update on her case.

01:18:43.791 --> 01:18:50.041
She had her credible fear interview
back at the end of July,

01:18:50.041 --> 01:18:53.041
and we’ve been unable to get an update.

01:18:53.708 --> 01:18:56.208
We’ve been unable to
find out what happened.

01:18:56.625 --> 01:18:59.041
So I’m curious as to what’s going on?

01:19:02.458 --> 01:19:06.500
- I’m not sure if I am the right person,
but hold on.

01:20:19.208 --> 01:20:21.708
So they’ll probably just
keep us on hold for a week,

01:20:21.708 --> 01:20:23.583
hoping we’ll get bored and go away.

01:20:36.416 --> 01:20:38.791
- Okay. sir, I’m so sorry
That’s okay.

01:20:44.500 --> 01:20:45.416
Hello?

01:20:45.666 --> 01:20:46.916
- You can give me her A-number, sir?

01:20:46.916 --> 01:20:47.958
Okay. Yeah, of course.

01:20:48.291 --> 01:20:50.333
It’s 220...

01:20:52.041 --> 01:20:54.916
- Her case is just standby.
We do probably gonna give her a release.

01:20:55.250 --> 01:20:55.791
Oh...

01:20:56.541 --> 01:20:58.041
That’s fantastic.

01:21:00.125 --> 01:21:02.166
- So, don’t call me back, alright?

01:21:02.958 --> 01:21:05.791
Well, if you’re going to release her,
I promise not to call back.

01:21:06.208 --> 01:21:07.833
- Alright. You have a good day.

01:21:07.958 --> 01:21:09.541
You too ma’am.
Have a good day.