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[birds chirping]

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[wind whooshing]

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[rattling]

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[engines rumbling]

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[Dr. Ayne Amjad]
We're going to draw
some blood today.

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Um, we need maybe about
three to ten milliliters,

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which is probably
just a vial.

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And then we're going
to spin it down

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and send it
to a physician at Emory

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who's going to test it
for PCBs.

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I'm going to draw,
get my blood too.
And probably my mom.

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And I don't know
if anyone else, to compare,

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since we don't live
in that area, to see
if it's any different.

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[Percy Fruit]
He'll pass out in a minute.

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[Susie Worley-Jenkins]
Are you still working
down at the clinic?

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[woman] I have lost track
of years I've been there.

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[Susie]
I know, it's been a long time.

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[woman]
It just went by so quick.

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[Ayne] Were you there
when my dad was there?

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-Because...
-[woman] A little bit.

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Stuck in the hand.
Tight fist here.

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[Susie]
I've been stuck everywhere.

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[Ayne] There you go.

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Yeah. It'll fill up five
or six of them.

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-[chuckles]
-[Ayne] It's hot in here.

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Yeah. [chuckles]
It's a strong arm.

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[♪ pensive music playing]

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[vehicle approaching]

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{\an8}[Butter Thomas] I call this
a Death Valley Highway.

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{\an8}Bill Hayslette here,
he died of cancer.

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Mr. and Miss Brellahan,
both of those died of cancer.

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{\an8}And one of my best friends

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{\an8}lived in a house
after they did,

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{\an8}he died about
three years ago of cancer.

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Merle died of cancer there.

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Eugene Dixon,
he died of cancer.

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She moved up here,
and she just recently
died of cancer.

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He died of cancer.

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My wife's uncle,
he died of cancer.

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Both of them died of cancer.

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He died of cancer.
Brain tumor.

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Blood disorder.
Throat cancer.

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She's had numerous dogs
that had died of cancer.

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How can you tell me
there's not a problem?

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I mean, if it ain't PCB,
it's got to be something.

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I mean, there's just
too much cancer
down here in this town.

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[water lapping]

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[indistinct]

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My name is Hassan Amjad.

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I'm a physician who lives
in Oak Hill community.

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I've been in West Virginia
for 17 years

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before I came
from Michigan.

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{\an8}[Ayne]I think it was
around 1984 or '85

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when my dad first started
getting involved.

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We definitely have
a toxic problem here,

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a toxic waste
problem here.

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[Ayne]
My dad saw patients
in this area

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who had a lot of new cancers.

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{\an8}He was convinced
that PCBs caused cancer.

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{\an8}And it's in
this small population
that's not getting help.

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{\an8}[Dr. Hassan Amjad] PCB is not
easily biodegradable,

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{\an8}which means it'll last
for 500 years.

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{\an8}So once they have this PCB
in their fat content,

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{\an8}it's not going to go away
for their lifetime.

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{\an8}[Ayne]
He grew up in Pakistan,

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{\an8}which is a very
impoverished country.

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{\an8}So when he came here,
he was shocked that why

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{\an8}in a, you know,
country like this,

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do we have a small town

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who's being
exposed to something

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and they can't get
the help for it.

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To him,
it seemed like a shame

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that it didn't make any sense.

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It's kind of injustice.

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[Hassan] What happened
in Minden is a lesson

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that is not only
the Flint, Michigan.

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There are many communities
have been neglected,

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and the common denominator
is the poor

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get the shaft.

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[Ayne] Those cows weren't
there last time, were they?

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[Lollie Amjad]
They were there.

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[Ayne]
It's a little bit farther
down there.

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[Ayne]
Before my dad passed away
from a heart attack,

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we were
looking at properties

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because he liked herbs.

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he liked plants, flowers,
you name it.

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...similar flowers.

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If you see
right across there,

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they are like a hanging...

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[Ayne]We always thought
it would be nice to have

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a big piece of land
just to grow

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those types of things.

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[chuckles]

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West Virginia has a lot
of places like this,
just hidden.

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The people that
used to live here
originally got it to hunt,

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and then they used it
for timber.

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But we'll see
what we can use it for.

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-Are you okay?
-Yeah.

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{\an8}[Ayne]Odd, West Virginia
is really out there.

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{\an8}My mom and I went
to check it out

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{\an8}and fell in love with it.

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It's untouched land...

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so there's something
about it that clicked.

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[Hassan]
The small community
of Minden is dying.

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Something should be done.
You cannot clean the place.

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It has to be relocated.

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Someone has to look up
and be responsible for that.

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[Ayne]My father's goal
for Minden was
to relocate them,

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and I guess we had
that relationship

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where he trusted me
to finish something
that had to be done.

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Odd, West Virginia is really
in a secluded place,

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and I thought it would be
an ideal place

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to move people.

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I would feel like
I completed my purpose

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if I could
move them out of there,
whoever wants to leave.

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See out there...

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It's big enough
where you could have

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a little town here, really.

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Even if there's 200 families,

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maybe each could have
half an acre,

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which is a pretty decent size
to put a house.

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Um, of course,
it costs a lot,

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so we would need
to figure that out.

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But, um, there's no
big companies out here,

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so there's nothing being
dumped around the area

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that I'm aware of
because we're so far in,

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so pretty much clean
from outside influences.

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[engine sputtering]

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[Butter]
I still can't get over
that EPA guy told me

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that it wasn't
leaking up there.

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They moved
4,700 tons of dirt,

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and it's still here even after
all that dirt removal.

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You can't get rid of it.
You just can't.

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It's like your dad tried
to tell them.

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That's the EPA for you, man.

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Been lying to us
for 40 years.

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So what's the difference?

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Why stop now?

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[Ayne]
So we were wondering, like,

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how many people
really want to move

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because we have
200 people here, right?

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So how many
you think are really
going to want to leave?

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Because that's where
we're at now.

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-So...
-[Susie] Actually,
we have 247.

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And I know that, um,
Mrs. Miller up here,

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she really wants to move,
her and her husband.

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Petey and Kara,
they-they take out of here

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and probably, uh,
Randy Scarborough

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would probably leave.

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He said he would. Yeah.

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[Ayne] If I said, "Here's
a piece of land, it's free,"

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how many do you think
would move to Odd?

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[Butter]
I would say they would
probably be close...

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maybe half, you'd say.
I'd say maybe. Maybe half.

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Maybe a little more than half.
Maybe. Yeah.

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{\an8}♪♪

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[indistinct chatter]

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Oh. [laughs]

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I'm making eggs here
for Gabriel.

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[Ayne]My nephew, Gabby,
he's visiting for two weeks.

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Who else likes kiwi?
Your dad?

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-Yes.
-[laughs]

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[Ayne]I wish I had children
of my own by now,

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but the person I'm with now

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just doesn't want
to have children separate.

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We've been together
six years now, which is
a long time actually.

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But he lives in Canada, so...

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He just knows I need
to slow down, I guess.

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And his biggest thing for me
is how can you have children

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if you don't slow down?

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Which I don't like to hear.

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Sophie. Gabby, please.

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We just have to put
a different diagnosis
on there.

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Does it hurt bad
or just you saw the infection?

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No, actually,
the pain was...

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-Worse?
-...worse.
It's not going away.

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Alright. Big breath.

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[inhales deeply]

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-In and out.
-[exhales]

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{\an8}[Lollie] Ayne opted to stay
in West Virginia

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{\an8}initially to help us,
just since she knows

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{\an8}that we are getting old.

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She admires
her father so much.

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And also, she wants to help
the people where she grew up.

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Do you feel better
that we changed that medicine?

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She wants to return back

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what she had
gotten from them.

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That is what
she's always saying.

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Have you felt short of breath
or any problems?

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Yes. I have to use
my inhaler quite a bit.

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How many times a day
have you been using it?

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About three or four.

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How's Sugar doing?

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-I didn't bring my dog today
because I know--
-She's great.

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[Ayne] My dog gets excited
when yours is here, so...

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[Susie]I knew Ayne

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just a little bit by
seeing her when she was

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{\an8}a little girl with her daddy.

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{\an8}You know, she was
always daddy's girl.

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And she has a lot of his ways.

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It was about two weeks
before he died.

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We were at a meeting,
and he leaned over me

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and he said, "Susie,
if something happens to me,

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Ayne is going to take over."

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And Ayne looked
a little bit surprised,

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but she just smiled real big.

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And she said, yes, daddy.

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And that's the way it's been.

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[rain pattering]

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[Annetta Coffman]
Thanks, everybody,
for coming.

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It-it means a lot
to the community

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that people
came out here today
that aren't from Minden

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and the families
of other people that
were marchers before.

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We really, really appreciate
your support.

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This one might be
the one that only
have four Xs in.

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-Yeah.
-This is [indistinct].

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[inaudible]

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Where is your shirt?

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Okay, everybody,
we're getting ready to start.

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Everybody ready?

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-[woman] Yeah.
-Alright.

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-[Percy] Alright, follow me.
-[woman 2] We're ready.

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[marchers shouting]

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Now!

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[newscaster]
In June, the Citizens

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to Save Fayette County
staged a march

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from Minden
to nearby Oak Hill.

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Helping in the march
are environmentalists
from around the country.

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[march leader]
What do we want?

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[all] EPA action!

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[girl] This march is to push
for relocation,

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since it seems that the EPA

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is trying to do more tests
instead of taking action.

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[marchers]
Relocation now!

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[Percy]
My thanks goes out
to Lucian Randall,

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Larry Rose, Sue Workman,
John David

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for starting the quest
to make a wrong right

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after so many lives have been
lost to cancer from PCBs.

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-[man 2] Thirty years.
-[marchers] We're still here.

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[man 2] Thirty years.

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[Percy] Thank you to
the late Dr. Amjad,

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to his beautiful wife
and daughter

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who have worked diligently

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to help our cause.

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[marchers] Justice for Minden!

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Relocation now!

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[Lois Gibbs]
Thirty years ago,
we talked about

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what are we going to do
at Minden?

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We want justice for Minden.

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We want justice
for all communities

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that have become
sacrifice zones
for corporate pollution.

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-[Annetta]
What do we want?
-[marchers] Relocation!

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-[Annetta]
When do we want it?
-[marchers] Now!

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-[Annetta]
What do we want?
-[protestors] Relocation.

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Somebody's got to get in there
and change this.

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Taking seats of power.

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The people united
will never be defeated.

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Thank you.

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[woman] God, we ask
that you love and protect
the people of Minden

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and help our long lost
loved ones

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be able to find
some peace somewhere. Amen.

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[all] Amen.

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♪ Amazing grace ♪

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♪ How sweet the sound ♪

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♪ That saved a wretch ♪

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♪ Like me ♪

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♪ I once was lost ♪

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♪ But now I'm found ♪

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♪ Was blind but now ♪

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♪ I see ♪

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[blows]

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-[Tom Garrett]
How are you today?
-[Ayne] Good morning.

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-Good to see you.
-[Ayne] Nice to see you.

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-You ready to start?
-Yeah. Let's get down.

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[Ayne] Okay. Good.

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On the property on Odd,
there was

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a 30 by 14 building.

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We were going to make that
into a little house.

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And it can hold one
to two people from Minden.

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We were going to just make it
like a studio.

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We weren't going
to make it divided.

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-It'll look really nice.
-Okay.

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It's going to come out well.
Really well.

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And it keeps us within budget.

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[Ayne]
The person who was going

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to live on the land,
his name is Tom.

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We've known him
for a little while.

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He does
a little handiwork.

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We're going to let him stay
in the main house,

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him and his wife.

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And since he knows
how to fix houses,

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go ahead and fix
that little house as a home.

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How long do you think
it's going to take us.

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By myself, I would say
two weeks of work.

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We were going to do
the bathroom here
and the sink here.

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-Right. That's what
we were thinking.
-Yeah.

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Th-the good thing is we had
a good shell to work with.

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Everything's stable.
Foundation's good.

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Yeah, it's almost like
a single trailer size.

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I mean, it's smaller,
but it's still like
a single trailer size.

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-That's what
we figured, right?
-Exactly.

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And the heating, we said...
What did we say?

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[Tom]
The vision is

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to try to help
those in Minden to,

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{\an8}you know,
get away from a place
that's killing them...

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{\an8}to paradise.

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[Ayne] There's a flat way
that way too.

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-Yeah.
-You walk this way. Oh, okay.

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-I've-I've done both.
-Okay.

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The creek's down there,
and the creek

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is the property line
all the way from the corner.

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[Ayne] Okay. That's great.

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It's so quiet out here.

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It is, isn't it?

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[Barbara Garrett]
It feels absolutely
wonderful,

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like it's no place else
on earth I've ever been.

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And the clouds,
when you're sitting
on the front porch,

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you could just reach out
and get them.

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It's like cotton candy.

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Just get it and eat it.

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[Tom]I don't know,
the way I truly feel

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is we're all here
to be helpers,

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and there
aren't too many...

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true hearts
and spirits out there.

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And yours is one that is.

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What you do is...

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in no way, shape,
or form for yourself,

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you know, and that's...
it's pure spirit.

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[Ayne]
Speaking of chicken,
someone filled out...

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You care to sit here,
I guess?

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[Susie]
Oh, no, not at all.

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[Ayne]
Someone filled out
that survey

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and said they would come
if they could bring

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their chickens
or something funny.

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-[Susie laughs]
-Something funny like that.

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I bought this
90-acre property
with the intention

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of moving some people...

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-Right.
-...from Minden there.

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How would we say it
that makes it sound, um, good.

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-[Susie] Acceptable.
-Acceptable, exciting.

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Something that
they'd want to do.

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Because you know how people's
brains work down there

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better than I do.

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It's clean.

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I think that
that's the first thing

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they're going
to like about it.

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Mm-hmm.

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[keys jingling]

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-[Butter] Hello.
-[woman] Hi.

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Those are yours.
The customers dropped in.

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-They have to mail them back.
-[woman 2] Where is Odd?

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It's about 37 miles
from here.

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It's on the other side
of Beckley there.

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-[woman laughs]
-Okay.

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About an acre of land.

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New home. What's not to like?

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Wished I could get me
a free house.

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[laughter]

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It's quiet up there.
It is pretty

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Something different
than Minden.

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[laughter]

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-Thank you.
-[Butter] Well,
we thank you all.

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I'll see you later, Butter.

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[Butter]Minden residents
have been fighting
for the clean-up

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of PCBs and relocation
for over 30 years.

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Your family are given
the opportunity,

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funds to relocate,
move out of Minden,
would you?

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If there's a home
for a couple located in Odd,

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West Virginia,
and ready in Spring of 2020

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would you be interested
in moving there?

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No. And yes.

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And yes and yes. No.

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-[woman speaks indistinctly]
-[Butter] Yes. Yes.

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[boy] I'm 12 now.
We've lived here three years.

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-[Ayne] Yeah.
-[boy] Uh, our house
burned down up there,

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and we decided
to move down here

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because our grandpa lives
right down the road.

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Okay?

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[boy] And I never knew,

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but apparently there's PCBs,

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and that's giving people
cancer and killing them.

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We have a meeting at--
in Minden this week.

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Can you give it
to your mom and dad, please?

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If you have time to come.

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Do you know where, uh,
Church Street is in Oak Hill?

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We'll find it.

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-[man] Hey, girls, let's go.
-Okay.

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-[woman] Bye, girls.
-[girl] Bye, ma.

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[line ringing]

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-[woman] [on phone]Hello.
-Oh, hi. It's Ayne Amjad.

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-How are you?
-[woman]I'm good.

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You filled out
that postcard there

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about moving
for relocation, Minden.

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If you can come tomorrow
at 3:00, that would be good

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so that we can get
more feedback
from everybody.

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That would be nice.

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Hi, it's Ayne Amjad,
how are you?

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Did you know
about our meeting tomorrow

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to talk about, uh, Minden
relocation updates and things?

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-[line ringing]
-[man]Who is this?

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This is Dr. Amjad.
How are you?

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[man] [indistinct]
How are you today?

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[Ayne] I'm okay. Did you see
about the meeting tomorrow?

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[woman] [on phone]
Yeah. Between 3:00 and 5:00?

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[Ayne] Yes. Okay. Thanks.

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-[woman]Thank you.
-Okay, bye.

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[indistinct conversation]

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Bad connection, man.
Hear that?

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[people chattering]

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Supposedly, he drove it
from, uh...

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here in West Virginia
all the way to California.

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[Ayne] Thanks for coming.
I know it's hard to get
people together.

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I'm Ayne.
I think I met
most of you guys.

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You know, Susie, um...

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The goal, of course,

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is to relocate everyone
in Minden.

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That's been our, our priority,
at least since we've,

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you know, been involved.

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But when we meet with some
of these people,

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EPA, DEP, they always ask,
who wants to move out?

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They always ask,
you know,

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and we never have
a good number.

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We always give them
a percentage.

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We all say
at least 80% want to move.

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[Susie]
We need to know
what you all,

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what you all need.

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[woman] Mm-hmm.

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I'm trying to find a house
that will accommodate me,

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my granddaughter,
and my brother

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and any other company
that comes in.

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I want to have
a spare room for them.

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-Okay.
-[woman 2] I do want
to relocate.

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I'm at least going
to need a five bedroom
because I got three kids.

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She'll need her own,
and then me and my husband
will need our own,

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so at least five bedrooms.

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I want a yard
with a fenced-in yard

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to keep my kids in
and my dogs.

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[man] I just want out of there
because the cancer and stuff.

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[Ayne] How long have you guys
lived there?

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-Well, this time, 14 years.
-[Ayne] Okay.

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But before that,
we lived there 11.

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[Ayne] Where'd you go
in between?

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Florida.

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[Ayne] Okay.
W-why'd you come back?

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-Family.
-[Ayne] Okay.

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[woman 3]
And if we get enough,
we would relocate.

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[Ayne]
Charlie, what do you think?

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Like, for your size
of your family.

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You know, if you want
to share it too, that's...

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You know,
maybe next time, Ayne.

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I'm just, um,
still thinking.

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[Ayne] You're still...
You still want to relocate?

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-Yeah.
-[Ayne] Yeah.

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I just don't want
to be lowballed
or anything like that.

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That's right.

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[Ayne]
The last meeting we had,
a lady said the same thing.

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She said, well,
that's not a...

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that's not
a lot of money.

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You know, that's not
a lot of money that to--
for that.

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[Andrea Fox]
You're looking at a normal
two-bedroom house

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being $80,000.

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-[Ayne] But see,
that's the thing.
-And with that,

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you're barely getting
an acre.

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-[Ayne] Yeah.
-Well,

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I have two acres,

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and I have
a three-bedroom home

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and I have
a two-car garage

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and a chain link
fence yard.

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They're only looking
at my house

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not even being $25,000

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while I paid $28,000
for the house.

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And I'm still paying
on that house.

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Yeah, they wouldn't want
to buy us out,

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and they're going
to want to relocate us,

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but they want to,
they're probably going
to want to just bunch us

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into a small community
with a bunch of houses

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they're going to throw up.

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But a lot of people
don't want to move

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into another community,

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a house on top of a house.

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-[man] No.
-[Andrea] I know for a fact

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I'm not going
to stand for that.

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I agree everything
what you said.

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I'm not, I'm not moving
On top of somebody else.

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-I'm not going to either.
-[Andrea] I mean, to me,

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they... we deserve at least

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a little bit of privacy.
-[man] Privacy.

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-Okay.
-I'll sit there in Minden

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and watch that house
rot down

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before I move into...
a congested community

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just because
they want to get us out.

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Well, okay. Well, the re--

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I'll tell you...
I'll tell you why

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those surveys had the city
of Odd listed in it.

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Um, about two
and a half years ago,

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I purchased 97 acres in Odd,
West Virginia.

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If people wanted to move
and build houses with funding

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that we could...
you know, gather somehow.

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I don't know how,
it could be an option.

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Right now, um, Tom
and his wife live out there.

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There's a house out there.
We have to fix it up.

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It's going to turn out
like a little cabin.

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You know, it's a 30
by 40 building.

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Uh, uh, and I'm turning it
into basically

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a little cabin
on the hill, man.

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It's not a big house,

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but it's, it's away
from everything.

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The land there is clean.
It's pure.

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We are going to finish
this first house.

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If someone is really serious
into looking at it,

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we can talk about it.
That's it.

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These are just things
that we're trying to do

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as, like I said, options.

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These are not anything
anyone has to do.

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These are just if someone
is interested as an option,

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these are things
that we will just look into.

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The EPA is not helping us.
They're not.

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There's another way, guys.

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You have to consider
other ways if possible.

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It's... It is a good option.

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[woman] Yeah, I had to work,
but I don't know.

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I got here.
I'll see y'all later.

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[Ayne]People's concerns
to me are just an excuse

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not to do something.

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If you really want to get out
of a situation,

00:27:05.465 --> 00:27:06.843
you find any opportunity

00:27:06.867 --> 00:27:08.004
that's available to you
and you do it.

00:27:08.028 --> 00:27:10.951
Otherwise, you stay
in the same place.

00:27:12.072 --> 00:27:15.235
You continue to have
the same problems.

00:27:26.807 --> 00:27:30.891
[engine rumbling]

00:27:34.775 --> 00:27:37.898
[cans clanging]

00:27:42.663 --> 00:27:45.666
[Butter] You have
to excuse the mess.

00:27:45.866 --> 00:27:48.324
John Wayne's here,
and John Wayne's there

00:27:48.348 --> 00:27:51.808
and got thermoses
and cups and movies

00:27:51.832 --> 00:27:55.051
and, uh, 100 years of Duke.

00:27:55.075 --> 00:28:00.400
Some stamps collection there,
a John Wayne clock,

00:28:01.121 --> 00:28:03.499
I think his first bout,
first bout with cancer,

00:28:03.524 --> 00:28:06.583
he was doing
The Sons of Katie Elder.

00:28:06.607 --> 00:28:08.128
A few there.

00:28:08.408 --> 00:28:09.786
There's a bunch
of Westerns in there.

00:28:09.810 --> 00:28:14.150
There's this collection
like, say,Tombstone.

00:28:14.174 --> 00:28:16.032
And you gotThe Lone Rangers

00:28:16.056 --> 00:28:21.542
and got just about
all these Westerns in here.

00:28:22.903 --> 00:28:25.241
That's, that's what's
for the PCB.

00:28:25.265 --> 00:28:29.886
It says toxic waste
straight out of Minden.

00:28:29.910 --> 00:28:34.571
I come here in the morning,
drink my coffee, and watch
the news there.

00:28:34.595 --> 00:28:37.453
I have the mute button
on there because
half the time

00:28:37.477 --> 00:28:41.361
I'd mute the junk
they talk about anyway.

00:28:42.082 --> 00:28:43.419
It's getting hard
to tell truth anymore.

00:28:43.443 --> 00:28:47.207
It's just hard
to get the truth
out of anything. So...

00:28:48.929 --> 00:28:50.330
Okay.

00:28:50.771 --> 00:28:53.149
[Governor Jim Justice]
Today, I'm announcing
something,

00:28:53.173 --> 00:28:53.870
it is an appointment

00:28:53.894 --> 00:28:58.194
that is absolutely,
I am tickled to death.

00:28:58.218 --> 00:29:00.396
I am announcing that Dr...

00:29:00.420 --> 00:29:03.199
And it's,
and it's pronounced Ayne,

00:29:03.223 --> 00:29:06.322
spelled A-Y-N-E, Amjad,

00:29:06.346 --> 00:29:07.443
is taking our position

00:29:07.467 --> 00:29:10.166
as our head health officer
in West Virginia.

00:29:10.190 --> 00:29:13.930
I'm excited to be here,
and everything happened
really fast,

00:29:13.954 --> 00:29:15.572
but I'm excited
to be part of the team

00:29:15.596 --> 00:29:17.734
and thank everyone
for welcoming me

00:29:17.758 --> 00:29:19.215
and thank you very much
for having me.

00:29:19.239 --> 00:29:20.336
[news anchor]
Alright. Thank you both.

00:29:20.360 --> 00:29:22.803
Next, we'll go
to Major General Hoyer...

00:29:28.569 --> 00:29:32.589
[reporter]
Dr. Ayne Amjad stepped
into her new role Friday

00:29:32.613 --> 00:29:33.990
with the West Virginia DHHR,

00:29:34.014 --> 00:29:37.433
following a lot of praise
and a lengthy resume.

00:29:37.457 --> 00:29:39.235
{\an8}Amjad is
a native West Virginian

00:29:39.259 --> 00:29:41.157
{\an8}known for her work
helping the people

00:29:41.181 --> 00:29:42.919
{\an8}of Minden
and Fayette County

00:29:42.943 --> 00:29:44.400
{\an8}after their town
was considered

00:29:44.424 --> 00:29:46.843
{\an8}an EPA Superfund site
last year.

00:29:46.867 --> 00:29:49.445
{\an8}[Mayor Rob Rappold] [on phone]
She works so hard

00:29:49.469 --> 00:29:50.607
{\an8}between her practice

00:29:50.631 --> 00:29:53.009
and the things that she does
for the community.

00:29:53.033 --> 00:29:57.197
I'm not sure when she sleeps,
to be honest with you.

00:29:58.679 --> 00:30:00.256
[Ayne] I think I got up...
I was up...

00:30:00.280 --> 00:30:01.217
I-I don't sleep well anyway,

00:30:01.241 --> 00:30:03.299
so I was up all crazy hours
reading stuff,

00:30:03.323 --> 00:30:05.622
but I got up at 7:00,
and I was still running around

00:30:05.646 --> 00:30:10.170
like a crazy rabbit,
trying to get
my stuff in order.

00:30:10.851 --> 00:30:12.028
Some people have asked,
you know,

00:30:12.052 --> 00:30:13.990
did you ever see yourself
in this position?

00:30:14.014 --> 00:30:16.232
I never knew what
a state health officer was.

00:30:16.256 --> 00:30:20.837
I knew who the previous
health commissioners were

00:30:20.861 --> 00:30:22.799
but I never knew
what they did.

00:30:22.823 --> 00:30:26.707
But of course, we were never
in a pandemic before.

00:30:47.087 --> 00:30:50.587
Anything that's
under public health,
it's underneath me.

00:30:50.611 --> 00:30:51.628
When does your newsletter
get out?

00:30:51.652 --> 00:30:54.631
Because I was supposed to send
you that flu thing as well.

00:30:54.655 --> 00:30:56.072
[man]
Well, if you get it to me

00:30:56.096 --> 00:30:57.874
within the next week,
it'd be great.

00:30:57.898 --> 00:30:59.355
Okay, I can do that.

00:30:59.379 --> 00:31:00.917
[man]Alright. Sounds great.

00:31:00.941 --> 00:31:01.718
Thanks, Mark.

00:31:01.742 --> 00:31:04.040
[Ayne]I'm familiar
with all this stuff,

00:31:04.064 --> 00:31:05.682
but it's just a different
playing league.

00:31:05.706 --> 00:31:09.526
Like, it's not
the Beckley Leagues,
it's the state level.

00:31:09.550 --> 00:31:14.851
So I was playing at level one.
I'm playing at level ten.

00:31:14.875 --> 00:31:19.736
Um, jus-just to,
you know, keep up.

00:31:19.760 --> 00:31:22.218
So this is a list
of our outbreaks in the state.

00:31:22.242 --> 00:31:26.182
So we have, like,
35 nursing home outbreaks.

00:31:26.206 --> 00:31:27.624
And I have at some point

00:31:27.648 --> 00:31:30.266
talked to people
in these facilities,

00:31:30.290 --> 00:31:31.868
visited some of these.

00:31:31.892 --> 00:31:34.991
I mean, because
if something goes wrong,

00:31:35.015 --> 00:31:37.634
I mean,
where does it fall on?

00:31:37.658 --> 00:31:40.380
It actually falls
on my head. So...

00:31:41.662 --> 00:31:45.385
[train rattling]

00:31:57.638 --> 00:32:00.697
[Lollie]
They don't really
listen to what she says

00:32:00.721 --> 00:32:03.123
most of the time,
I guess.

00:32:03.163 --> 00:32:06.222
She's kind of like
sometimes frustrated

00:32:06.246 --> 00:32:08.384
that things
are not happening.

00:32:08.408 --> 00:32:10.050
[Ayne] Bye, guys.

00:32:10.290 --> 00:32:11.548
She keeps on saying that,

00:32:11.572 --> 00:32:14.110
"Well, how much
more can I say, Mommy?

00:32:14.134 --> 00:32:17.353
"How much can
I tell everybody
to, you know,

00:32:17.377 --> 00:32:18.955
be careful
and all these things."

00:32:18.979 --> 00:32:21.157
But this is the way it is.

00:32:21.181 --> 00:32:24.841
People have their own mind
to do things.

00:32:24.865 --> 00:32:27.203
They want to exercise
their own rights

00:32:27.227 --> 00:32:28.685
and freedom they say,

00:32:28.709 --> 00:32:31.271
so what can we do?

00:32:31.471 --> 00:32:32.609
No matter
how much we can,

00:32:32.633 --> 00:32:35.315
we want to help
or something.

00:32:35.716 --> 00:32:38.559
This is the way
I look at it, you know.

00:32:44.885 --> 00:32:46.062
[Ayne]
The guys in Minden,

00:32:46.086 --> 00:32:50.466
they thought they went
and handpicked me out

00:32:50.490 --> 00:32:52.509
I felt like as a conspiracy

00:32:52.533 --> 00:32:56.072
so that I wouldn't be
their voice anymore.

00:32:56.096 --> 00:32:59.435
I told Susie, I know
I applied for the job, Susie.

00:32:59.459 --> 00:33:02.142
Nobody, like, scouted me out.

00:33:03.303 --> 00:33:08.148
If anything, I can help
direct you more
what you guys need.

00:33:08.228 --> 00:33:13.289
[Butter] She told us
the night before and she said,
please don't be mad.

00:33:13.313 --> 00:33:16.613
At first, I was a little upset
because I, you know,

00:33:16.637 --> 00:33:19.215
that meant she wouldn't be
going to be able

00:33:19.239 --> 00:33:23.339
to do the things that
she has been doing for us.

00:33:23.363 --> 00:33:26.503
But then after you sit down
and thought about it a while

00:33:26.527 --> 00:33:30.106
then, well, yeah,
but this opens
the opportunity for her

00:33:30.130 --> 00:33:32.372
to do some other stuff.

00:33:33.534 --> 00:33:36.056
We just have to wait and see.

00:33:36.416 --> 00:33:37.514
But she's a fighter.

00:33:37.538 --> 00:33:41.782
Uh, I believe in her.
So we'll see.

00:33:47.948 --> 00:33:50.727
[boy] Oh, so it was a bridge.

00:33:50.751 --> 00:33:53.249
-A bridge? Oh!
-Oh, a bridge!

00:33:53.273 --> 00:33:55.011
[laughter]

00:33:55.035 --> 00:33:58.735
-Oh, now I see it.
-I got it, got it. Okay.

00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:00.737
He's holding something.
He's holding something.

00:34:00.761 --> 00:34:04.404
-[line ringing]
-Yeah, see how
he's holding it.

00:34:04.965 --> 00:34:06.543
When's the, um,
border opening?

00:34:06.567 --> 00:34:07.584
They were
asking me last night,

00:34:07.608 --> 00:34:09.185
but it's like August
something, isn't it?

00:34:09.209 --> 00:34:12.028
[man] [on phone]
That's August 21st.
Uh, the next cycle of...

00:34:12.052 --> 00:34:15.071
They have to sit down
and take a look at it.

00:34:15.095 --> 00:34:18.034
But I read online on another,
uh, news medium.

00:34:18.058 --> 00:34:20.356
They're saying it won't
be done till December.

00:34:20.380 --> 00:34:21.037
What are you doing?

00:34:21.061 --> 00:34:23.800
[man]I was reading
this morning an article,

00:34:23.824 --> 00:34:25.161
uh, this couple,

00:34:25.185 --> 00:34:28.164
they do, uh,
virtual weddings.

00:34:28.188 --> 00:34:29.085
-[Ayne] Mm-hmm.
-Right.

00:34:29.109 --> 00:34:31.648
So one party's got
to be in Kansas.

00:34:31.672 --> 00:34:33.209
The other party
can be in Canada.

00:34:33.233 --> 00:34:34.971
And they got married,
and they thought this one

00:34:34.995 --> 00:34:37.413
was one way
that they could get the, uh,

00:34:37.437 --> 00:34:40.937
the, the American spouse
to come up here.

00:34:40.961 --> 00:34:41.497
[Ayne] Okay.

00:34:41.522 --> 00:34:43.219
So let's see
what happens there.

00:34:43.243 --> 00:34:46.903
But hopefully there'll be
a resolution sooner

00:34:46.927 --> 00:34:48.809
rather than later.

00:34:48.929 --> 00:34:51.532
Yeah. Okay.

00:34:52.172 --> 00:34:53.774
I don't know.

00:34:53.934 --> 00:34:55.431
-I don't know.
-[man]Enjoy your day...

00:34:55.455 --> 00:34:56.833
-Okay.
-...and activities.

00:34:56.857 --> 00:34:57.754
Okay. I'll call you later.

00:34:57.778 --> 00:34:59.876
-Talk later. Bye.
-Okay. Bye. Bye.

00:34:59.900 --> 00:35:01.502
-Bye.
-Bye.

00:35:02.503 --> 00:35:04.184
That's crazy.

00:35:04.625 --> 00:35:06.082
There's only one way
to do it.

00:35:06.106 --> 00:35:06.923
Yeah, let's get it.

00:35:06.947 --> 00:35:09.165
-Like, you did get it.
-What do you think...

00:35:09.189 --> 00:35:11.568
We've been together,
I think I said eight years,

00:35:11.592 --> 00:35:13.249
but I think it's seven,
seven years.

00:35:13.273 --> 00:35:15.331
I'm not happy with the way
things have turned out,

00:35:15.355 --> 00:35:17.774
because I-I've always
wanted, um, children,

00:35:17.798 --> 00:35:20.777
like multiple children,
before my siblings, even.

00:35:20.801 --> 00:35:25.021
At this stage,
I don't care if we got married
by paper anymore.

00:35:25.045 --> 00:35:25.982
It doesn't matter.

00:35:26.006 --> 00:35:27.664
Because if you cannot
live together

00:35:27.688 --> 00:35:30.466
and raise a family
and have children,

00:35:30.490 --> 00:35:32.348
what's the point
in getting married

00:35:32.372 --> 00:35:34.535
just for a piece of paper?

00:35:34.575 --> 00:35:37.634
-No, no.
-[indistinct chatter]

00:35:37.658 --> 00:35:40.677
[Ayne]I also think
the trajectory of my life
has changed

00:35:40.701 --> 00:35:41.718
in such a way that maybe

00:35:41.742 --> 00:35:43.359
it's just not
meant in my path.

00:35:43.383 --> 00:35:44.240
Oh, no, I don't know.

00:35:44.264 --> 00:35:46.402
[Ayne] Maybe my focus
should be elsewhere,

00:35:46.426 --> 00:35:48.004
so who knows?

00:35:48.028 --> 00:35:50.687
You know, you have to pick
and choose at this stage
in your life.

00:35:50.711 --> 00:35:53.209
[Dr. Amjad]
People who have
been exposed to PCB

00:35:53.233 --> 00:35:55.491
definitely had that toxic
level in their body,

00:35:55.516 --> 00:35:58.334
and the fat biopsy proves
also very well...

00:35:58.358 --> 00:36:00.537
[Ayne]
My dad always taught us
to help our community.

00:36:00.561 --> 00:36:03.219
[Dr. Amjad]PCB is
not easily biodegradable.

00:36:03.243 --> 00:36:06.462
[Ayne]He always thought
I should do something more
in public health.

00:36:06.486 --> 00:36:08.304
[Dr. Amjad]
...not going to go away
for their lifetime.

00:36:08.328 --> 00:36:11.788
[Ayne]He probably
would have been
very excited about it,

00:36:11.812 --> 00:36:13.574
this new role.

00:36:15.415 --> 00:36:17.754
When I interviewed
for this job,
they asked me,

00:36:17.778 --> 00:36:21.437
I heard you wanted to run
for governor one day
and you like politics.

00:36:21.461 --> 00:36:23.600
I said, no, I have
no interest in politics.

00:36:23.624 --> 00:36:27.548
But I know you have
to be in politics
to get things done.

00:36:28.388 --> 00:36:31.247
If that's what it takes for
people to pick up the phone

00:36:31.271 --> 00:36:34.274
and listen to me,
then I'll do it.

00:36:34.915 --> 00:36:37.758
[line ringing]

00:36:41.281 --> 00:36:44.701
[electronic voice]Welcome
to Reservationless-Plus
Conferencing.

00:36:44.725 --> 00:36:49.570
Thank you.
You will now be placed
into conference.

00:36:49.610 --> 00:36:54.591
My name is Gina Serafani,
and I'm going to be
facilitating this call.

00:36:54.615 --> 00:36:57.033
I'm with
the EPA's Conflict Prevention

00:36:57.057 --> 00:36:58.194
and Resolution Center.

00:36:58.218 --> 00:36:59.475
And if you're joining
from the community

00:36:59.499 --> 00:37:02.719
and you'd like to
introduce yourself,
feel free.

00:37:02.743 --> 00:37:05.241
Hi, my name is
Susie Worley-Jenkins.

00:37:05.265 --> 00:37:08.044
And I do have a question,
is that, um,

00:37:08.068 --> 00:37:09.325
when we get flooded

00:37:09.349 --> 00:37:11.768
and the water
comes out of the mine

00:37:11.792 --> 00:37:14.731
and it goes all over
the place again,

00:37:14.755 --> 00:37:18.158
how are you planning
on dealing with that?

00:37:21.962 --> 00:37:26.342
[Aaron Mroz]
Susie, uh, in the past,
EPA has sampled

00:37:26.366 --> 00:37:28.505
water coming
out of the mines,

00:37:28.529 --> 00:37:30.707
{\an8}and we have not found PCBs.

00:37:30.731 --> 00:37:34.230
{\an8}[Susie]You are not going
to find it except
at certain levels

00:37:34.254 --> 00:37:36.673
or you go in there
and get in the dirt

00:37:36.697 --> 00:37:37.834
because you let it flood

00:37:37.858 --> 00:37:40.156
and that stuff is going
to come down through there,

00:37:40.180 --> 00:37:41.277
and there's going
to be levels

00:37:41.301 --> 00:37:43.840
that's going to change
in that creek.

00:37:43.864 --> 00:37:45.522
And don't tell me...

00:37:45.546 --> 00:37:46.322
[Aaron]Susie. Susie.

00:37:46.346 --> 00:37:49.966
We're not finding
high levels of PCBs.

00:37:49.990 --> 00:37:51.928
The sampling that
we've been conducting

00:37:51.952 --> 00:37:55.532
and have been conducting
is not indicating high levels

00:37:55.556 --> 00:37:59.536
of contamination in the areas
that you're discussing.

00:37:59.560 --> 00:38:00.577
[Susie]Are you testing--

00:38:00.601 --> 00:38:02.458
[Aaron]We can't operate
on anecdotal evidence.

00:38:02.482 --> 00:38:04.460
[Ayne]
Well, this is Dr. Amjad
on the phone.

00:38:04.484 --> 00:38:08.384
To me, like I've said before,
that the people are
the samples.

00:38:08.408 --> 00:38:09.506
We don't need dirt samples.

00:38:09.530 --> 00:38:11.868
And that's what we've been
saying all along.

00:38:11.892 --> 00:38:13.990
People with
their cancer history

00:38:14.014 --> 00:38:14.791
are the samples to us.

00:38:14.815 --> 00:38:18.074
So given the Superfund status
that they have acquired now,

00:38:18.098 --> 00:38:20.156
that should be part of the
human health risk assessment,

00:38:20.180 --> 00:38:23.399
which you guys
have been talking about
for the last hour.

00:38:23.423 --> 00:38:25.361
Doesn't that go
into Superfund status,

00:38:25.385 --> 00:38:28.204
risk assessment,
health status, all that?

00:38:28.228 --> 00:38:32.649
This is Laura Werner.
I'm the regional director
for ATSDR.

00:38:32.673 --> 00:38:34.330
We are not making
any plans to collect

00:38:34.354 --> 00:38:38.214
biomonitoring samples
from residents,
regardless of levels.

00:38:38.238 --> 00:38:40.617
That's correct.
And that would
not be something

00:38:40.641 --> 00:38:42.098
that EPA would do either.

00:38:42.122 --> 00:38:45.702
[Butter]Well, that just makes
everybody down here in Minden

00:38:45.726 --> 00:38:47.383
feel so warm and comfortable.

00:38:47.407 --> 00:38:51.107
We keep getting
the same answers
all the time.

00:38:51.131 --> 00:38:52.188
All the time.

00:38:52.212 --> 00:38:53.830
We never get any help.

00:38:53.854 --> 00:38:55.752
We just get more testing

00:38:55.776 --> 00:38:57.514
and more
bullshit answers.

00:38:57.538 --> 00:39:01.261
I've had enough.
I'm out of here.

00:39:05.586 --> 00:39:07.267
[sighs]

00:39:08.068 --> 00:39:09.445
Hi, this is Stephen New.

00:39:09.469 --> 00:39:11.888
I have a question
for you guys.

00:39:11.912 --> 00:39:17.734
If my team of experts
provides data to the EPA,

00:39:17.758 --> 00:39:23.499
uh, will that be considered
for PCB levels,

00:39:23.524 --> 00:39:25.542
locations,
et cetera, et cetera?

00:39:25.566 --> 00:39:29.786
[Aaron]Uh, we will be using
our own data that we collect.

00:39:29.810 --> 00:39:32.589
But, um,
any data you provide us,

00:39:32.613 --> 00:39:35.055
I would definitely look at.

00:39:36.296 --> 00:39:38.515
[Stephen New]
As West Virginians,

00:39:38.539 --> 00:39:41.782
unbelievably,
we are conditioned

00:39:41.862 --> 00:39:43.279
{\an8}to really bad things

00:39:43.303 --> 00:39:46.843
{\an8}happening here and no one
being held responsible.

00:39:46.867 --> 00:39:49.165
{\an8}No, I think maybe right here
at this low spot

00:39:49.189 --> 00:39:51.928
or back here in the water
would probably be great.

00:39:51.952 --> 00:39:55.091
The water would be
real close to the creek,

00:39:55.115 --> 00:39:57.734
but you see you're going
to run into that sand.

00:39:57.758 --> 00:40:00.897
[Ed Kirk]
Has, has this location
been sampled previously?

00:40:00.921 --> 00:40:03.740
[Butter] Nope. This place
has never been tested.

00:40:03.764 --> 00:40:04.621
[Ed] Okay.

00:40:04.645 --> 00:40:08.825
Large companies
extract our resources,

00:40:08.849 --> 00:40:12.228
send them elsewhere,
and the money goes elsewhere.

00:40:12.252 --> 00:40:13.950
And nothing is left.

00:40:13.974 --> 00:40:18.138
From about zero
to seven inches.

00:40:18.819 --> 00:40:19.916
This is West Virginia.

00:40:19.940 --> 00:40:23.183
Definitely want
the sand going...

00:40:23.704 --> 00:40:25.746
This is not EPA.

00:40:28.789 --> 00:40:30.831
They're better. Mm-hmm.

00:40:33.754 --> 00:40:37.013
[Ayne]
I've known Steve
for ten years

00:40:37.037 --> 00:40:39.295
since I moved back home.

00:40:39.319 --> 00:40:41.778
I brought Steve on
as my trusted lawyer

00:40:41.802 --> 00:40:44.661
to listen in and advise us.

00:40:44.685 --> 00:40:46.302
He would not have,
um, taken this on

00:40:46.326 --> 00:40:48.745
if he didn't think
it was something he could do.

00:40:48.769 --> 00:40:54.110
He-he's extremely busy
with numerous things, and, um,

00:40:54.134 --> 00:40:57.473
he's not one
to take something on

00:40:57.497 --> 00:41:00.661
if he didn't see
anything useful in it.

00:41:00.981 --> 00:41:02.519
[Stephen]
Ayne reached out to me,

00:41:02.543 --> 00:41:06.963
and she said,
I think we've gone
as far as we can.

00:41:06.987 --> 00:41:09.646
We're going to need
to do something else here

00:41:09.670 --> 00:41:14.330
to take this a little further
with litigation.

00:41:14.354 --> 00:41:18.935
I believe that once
we're able to prove

00:41:18.959 --> 00:41:21.658
where these carcinogens are,

00:41:21.682 --> 00:41:24.541
the-the footprint
of those PCBs,

00:41:24.565 --> 00:41:31.852
we will sue on behalf of about
55 or 60 families in Minden.

00:41:31.932 --> 00:41:35.552
[Butter] I watched EPA, DEP,
and whoever else,

00:41:35.576 --> 00:41:38.715
I watched them
all come down here
and test and I say,

00:41:38.739 --> 00:41:41.477
this is the best one
I've seen yet.

00:41:41.502 --> 00:41:44.641
[Susie] It feels good because
the EPA kept telling me,

00:41:44.665 --> 00:41:46.322
we'll go wherever you want to.

00:41:46.346 --> 00:41:48.789
And they'd always find
a way around it.

00:41:49.109 --> 00:41:50.286
0.2 again.

00:41:50.310 --> 00:41:56.332
I know that Ayne has a sense
of moral obligation

00:41:56.356 --> 00:42:00.336
to her father
to continue his work.

00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:04.420
I believe that we all have
a moral obligation

00:42:04.444 --> 00:42:05.782
to the people of Minden

00:42:05.806 --> 00:42:09.530
to try to ensure
that this never happens again.

00:42:17.417 --> 00:42:20.020
[news jingle plays]

00:42:21.542 --> 00:42:24.721
[Terry Moran] Hello, everyone.
Welcome toThe Breakdown.
I'm Terry Moran.

00:42:24.745 --> 00:42:28.164
{\an8}We've reported extensively
on the states struggling

00:42:28.188 --> 00:42:30.326
{\an8}with vaccine distribution
for so many reasons,

00:42:30.350 --> 00:42:32.328
{\an8}but now we'd like
to focus on a state

00:42:32.352 --> 00:42:35.011
{\an8}where the vaccine rollout
has so far been hailed

00:42:35.035 --> 00:42:37.293
{\an8}as a success,
the state of West Virginia.

00:42:37.317 --> 00:42:40.456
{\an8}West Virginia's health
commissioner, Dr. Ayne Amjad,

00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:41.898
{\an8}is joining us to discuss

00:42:41.922 --> 00:42:43.700
{\an8}what they're doing
that other states

00:42:43.724 --> 00:42:45.341
{\an8}might follow,
what we can learn.

00:42:45.365 --> 00:42:47.383
{\an8}Dr. Amjad, thanks very much
for being with us.

00:42:47.407 --> 00:42:51.451
{\an8}So why is it working there?
What are you doing right.

00:42:55.335 --> 00:42:57.017
[sighs]

00:42:57.738 --> 00:42:59.235
Everyone's freaking about

00:42:59.259 --> 00:43:01.277
the Johnson & Johnson
vaccine

00:43:01.301 --> 00:43:03.944
and... God.

00:43:04.224 --> 00:43:05.706
Okay.

00:43:23.403 --> 00:43:24.420
{\an8}It's not, it's not easy

00:43:24.444 --> 00:43:26.703
{\an8}because there's a lot
of pressure, you know?

00:43:26.727 --> 00:43:28.665
{\an8}Um, something goes wrong,

00:43:28.689 --> 00:43:29.986
{\an8}it's easy to blame
a health officer

00:43:30.010 --> 00:43:32.589
for everything or expect
the health officer to,

00:43:32.613 --> 00:43:33.950
you know,
fix it or something.

00:43:33.974 --> 00:43:38.875
And I guess, uh, you can see
how people can break down

00:43:38.899 --> 00:43:41.477
and become tired
and depressed and stuff.

00:43:41.501 --> 00:43:42.759
[man] Right. Yeah.

00:43:42.783 --> 00:43:44.721
-[Ayne] I'll work on that.
-Okay.

00:43:44.745 --> 00:43:46.707
[Ayne] Alright, cool.

00:43:47.187 --> 00:43:51.872
[Ayne]Now I can complain
about it and bitch
about it all I want,

00:43:52.352 --> 00:43:55.051
but that's not going
to help the people.

00:43:55.075 --> 00:43:56.012
So what am I going to do?

00:43:56.036 --> 00:43:58.895
I'm going to make lemonade
out of lemons

00:43:58.919 --> 00:44:01.041
and do the best I can.

00:44:01.802 --> 00:44:04.340
I believe I'm here
at a time in my life

00:44:04.364 --> 00:44:05.221
that I'm supposed to be.

00:44:05.245 --> 00:44:07.728
And I think that's all
I can say.

00:44:07.888 --> 00:44:10.891
[muttering indistinctly]

00:44:14.535 --> 00:44:16.633
I can't eat when I'm working
and stressed.

00:44:16.657 --> 00:44:21.341
Hence the reason I probably
look like a chicken now,
but whatever.

00:44:24.224 --> 00:44:26.803
I don't... I haven't talked
to Steve New in a while,

00:44:26.827 --> 00:44:28.124
so I don't know what, um...

00:44:28.148 --> 00:44:30.086
I know he filed something,
but I don't know

00:44:30.110 --> 00:44:32.673
what's going
to happen with that.

00:44:42.723 --> 00:44:44.180
This is the, uh, upstairs.

00:44:44.204 --> 00:44:47.928
There's some slight
remodeling going on,

00:44:48.128 --> 00:44:49.385
but this will be our offices.

00:44:49.409 --> 00:44:52.989
It was occupied
by a coal company before.

00:44:53.013 --> 00:44:56.232
Now it's going to be occupied
by trial lawyers.

00:44:56.256 --> 00:44:57.698
So...

00:44:57.858 --> 00:44:59.996
What we've learned
from our research recently

00:45:00.020 --> 00:45:05.481
is that PCBs
are treated like any
other toxic substance.

00:45:05.506 --> 00:45:08.004
And the company
that makes that

00:45:08.028 --> 00:45:09.566
is also responsible

00:45:09.590 --> 00:45:12.328
for making sure
that it's retrieved

00:45:12.352 --> 00:45:14.691
and disposed of properly.

00:45:14.715 --> 00:45:18.935
Monsanto had an obligation
to make sure

00:45:18.959 --> 00:45:20.977
that those
electrical transformers

00:45:21.001 --> 00:45:24.380
containing the PCBs
were disposed of properly.

00:45:24.404 --> 00:45:26.863
At this point,
we believe that

00:45:26.887 --> 00:45:29.930
there was
no such verification.

00:45:30.130 --> 00:45:33.590
The lawsuit will be served
on Monsanto

00:45:33.614 --> 00:45:35.552
and the other corporations,

00:45:35.576 --> 00:45:39.139
and then it's go time.

00:45:39.179 --> 00:45:40.901
[engine starts]

00:45:47.067 --> 00:45:49.325
[Susie]The thing
with Steve is that

00:45:49.349 --> 00:45:51.768
he-he doesn't know
these people.

00:45:51.792 --> 00:45:57.293
And so last week or two,
we've been getting contracts

00:45:57.317 --> 00:45:58.895
and making sure
everything is right,

00:45:58.919 --> 00:46:01.938
all their information,
telephone numbers, addresses

00:46:01.962 --> 00:46:05.301
so that Steve will be able
to contact them himself.

00:46:05.325 --> 00:46:08.264
And he's going
to get this from you.

00:46:08.288 --> 00:46:11.548
I'm doing for my mother
and dad.

00:46:11.572 --> 00:46:13.269
I'll see that you get
four up here

00:46:13.293 --> 00:46:16.152
and then some
for the other people too.

00:46:16.176 --> 00:46:18.314
I think Steve's going
to win the case.

00:46:18.338 --> 00:46:22.478
I think these folks are going
to have a choice, finally,

00:46:22.503 --> 00:46:25.001
uh, whether to stay
or whether to go.

00:46:25.025 --> 00:46:27.163
-[Percy] Alright.
-You have a good evening.

00:46:27.187 --> 00:46:28.805
Alright. Thank you, Susie.

00:46:28.829 --> 00:46:30.671
[Susie] You're welcome.

00:46:31.311 --> 00:46:34.715
[engine rumbling]

00:46:41.642 --> 00:46:43.019
[Ayne] We were supposed
to meet Debbie today

00:46:43.043 --> 00:46:44.460
to go show her the farm,
to show her the house

00:46:44.484 --> 00:46:48.448
that we're trying to fix up
for the Minden relocation.

00:46:51.331 --> 00:46:52.669
She found me
on Facebook, actually.

00:46:52.693 --> 00:46:54.791
We have a Minden site
running on there.

00:46:54.815 --> 00:46:57.113
We were excited
to show it to her
because it's the first person

00:46:57.137 --> 00:46:59.115
who actually wanted to go
out there and see the place,

00:46:59.139 --> 00:47:02.142
but she had to cancel
at the last minute.

00:47:05.986 --> 00:47:09.526
I've been up since 4:30 today,
and I got to work at 7:00

00:47:09.550 --> 00:47:11.167
just so I could be here
by 12:00.

00:47:11.191 --> 00:47:13.489
So a little bit disappointing

00:47:13.514 --> 00:47:14.410
that we couldn't
meet up today,

00:47:14.434 --> 00:47:17.293
but, um, it's fine
because it's still a nice day

00:47:17.317 --> 00:47:20.641
and we haven't been up to
the farm in a few weeks, so...

00:47:26.166 --> 00:47:29.065
Come on, Sophie. Hi, Tom.

00:47:29.089 --> 00:47:31.668
-Hey. How are you?
-I'm okay. How are you?

00:47:31.692 --> 00:47:33.590
I'm doing good.
Good to see you.

00:47:33.614 --> 00:47:34.991
Nice to see you.

00:47:35.015 --> 00:47:36.833
Debbie couldn't come,
so...

00:47:36.857 --> 00:47:37.554
-Okay.
-Yeah. So--

00:47:37.578 --> 00:47:39.195
Is she gonna be able
to come up later, maybe?

00:47:39.219 --> 00:47:40.877
-Or...
-She didn't really say yet,

00:47:40.901 --> 00:47:44.040
so we'll just see
if we can get
more people to come.

00:47:44.064 --> 00:47:45.321
[Tom] Got a little bit
accomplished.

00:47:45.345 --> 00:47:47.163
Uh, I went
through the wiring

00:47:47.187 --> 00:47:50.567
an-and ensured that it was
up to code, up to specs.

00:47:50.591 --> 00:47:55.091
I've still got to drop
a couple of the switches

00:47:55.115 --> 00:47:57.213
-and receptacles down.
-Okay.

00:47:57.237 --> 00:48:01.698
You know, if someone takes it
and we have the opportunity...

00:48:01.722 --> 00:48:05.061
-Mm-hmm.
-...to kind of lean
toward something

00:48:05.085 --> 00:48:06.302
-that they might prefer.
-Yeah.

00:48:06.326 --> 00:48:09.265
So that's, that's one reason
that I didn't just go ahead

00:48:09.289 --> 00:48:12.108
and slam everything in.

00:48:12.132 --> 00:48:12.909
Uh, but, uh...

00:48:12.933 --> 00:48:15.351
This is that
special insulation
you told me about

00:48:15.375 --> 00:48:17.914
-that you had to do.
-Yes. That's...

00:48:17.938 --> 00:48:19.275
-Yes, that--
-That foamy stuff.

00:48:19.299 --> 00:48:22.519
It's, uh, open cell
spray foam insulation.

00:48:22.543 --> 00:48:24.400
And for metal
buildings, that's,

00:48:24.424 --> 00:48:26.643
uh, that's about
the only way that we could go,

00:48:26.667 --> 00:48:28.685
but it's, it's going
to do the trick.

00:48:28.709 --> 00:48:29.526
How much did we spend on...

00:48:29.550 --> 00:48:32.088
We spent two to three
on this already. Right?

00:48:32.112 --> 00:48:34.210
-At least three so far.
-Yeah.

00:48:34.234 --> 00:48:36.893
Yeah. So, so,
so we're halfway there.

00:48:36.917 --> 00:48:38.254
So how much do you think
more do you...

00:48:38.278 --> 00:48:41.578
I know you don't know 100%,
but how much do you think?

00:48:41.602 --> 00:48:44.725
Because it's more than
what we thought already.

00:48:44.845 --> 00:48:46.503
From what it seems. I mean--

00:48:46.527 --> 00:48:48.785
It'll, it'll be within budget.

00:48:48.809 --> 00:48:50.226
It'll be really close.

00:48:50.250 --> 00:48:52.589
-But--
-I don't think we may go

00:48:52.613 --> 00:48:56.472
a-another one more above.

00:48:56.496 --> 00:49:00.076
Bu-but that's, that would be,
that would be it.

00:49:00.100 --> 00:49:03.159
Buying all the other stuff,
all the supplies and things.

00:49:03.183 --> 00:49:06.162
Well, what's left
will be actually...

00:49:06.186 --> 00:49:09.485
Well, a one-fifth of our,
our budget went on,

00:49:09.510 --> 00:49:11.167
went on the insulation, so...

00:49:11.191 --> 00:49:14.450
-Yeah.
-Maybe it may,
may go to two more.

00:49:14.474 --> 00:49:17.493
But if, if I have time to,

00:49:17.518 --> 00:49:19.736
to search out
and find the deals...

00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:23.259
-Uh-huh.
-...even with Lowe's
giving discounts,

00:49:23.283 --> 00:49:26.206
-you know, what they call...
-Okay.

00:49:26.767 --> 00:49:28.745
-I think we can...
-Okay.

00:49:28.769 --> 00:49:31.091
[indistinct]

00:49:34.655 --> 00:49:38.498
[Ayne]Minden is always
on the back of my mind.

00:49:40.420 --> 00:49:42.438
Their faces are what stick
to my mind

00:49:42.462 --> 00:49:46.082
when anything goes wrong
in another city or county

00:49:46.106 --> 00:49:47.628
right now.

00:49:50.711 --> 00:49:54.555
We were ready to give away
that little house.

00:49:57.518 --> 00:50:01.361
And nobody wanted to
even come and see it.

00:50:05.365 --> 00:50:09.826
Odd is still out there,
but if you want out,

00:50:09.850 --> 00:50:11.732
you got to fight for it.

00:50:17.898 --> 00:50:20.861
{\an8}[Lollie]
We got this house in 1981.

00:50:20.941 --> 00:50:22.438
And of course,
we collect all these things.

00:50:22.462 --> 00:50:26.122
Uh, these things.
See? You see on the floor.

00:50:26.146 --> 00:50:27.043
Because he likes to...

00:50:27.067 --> 00:50:30.486
He was thinking
to have a museum
one of these days

00:50:30.511 --> 00:50:33.489
and because of the other
buildings are already full,

00:50:33.514 --> 00:50:35.812
we try to put them here
to the others,

00:50:35.836 --> 00:50:38.535
you know, that we, we collect.

00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:39.696
As you see,
this is a big vase.

00:50:39.720 --> 00:50:43.900
Also, I don't know
if you have seen one,

00:50:43.924 --> 00:50:45.862
but we got this from Virginia

00:50:45.886 --> 00:50:49.810
just because
it's bigger than me,
taller than me.

00:50:50.370 --> 00:50:54.094
See? Look at these books.
Look at these frames.

00:50:54.334 --> 00:50:56.336
Books everywhere.

00:50:56.617 --> 00:50:59.916
All his stuff are still here.
I'm sorry.

00:50:59.940 --> 00:51:02.382
Oh, there
are gloves here even.

00:51:03.824 --> 00:51:06.923
This is the other room
that we added up.

00:51:06.947 --> 00:51:11.127
I haven't put the things
inside the cabinets.

00:51:11.151 --> 00:51:14.170
They're all in boxes
in the bathroom here.

00:51:14.194 --> 00:51:17.718
So this is what
our life is here.

00:51:22.763 --> 00:51:25.061
I haven't been here
to sleep even.

00:51:25.085 --> 00:51:28.969
Not a single day
since he passed away.

00:51:29.009 --> 00:51:30.867
That's almost
three years now.

00:51:30.891 --> 00:51:33.333
On the 29th of August,

00:51:33.814 --> 00:51:35.592
I just come here
to check the house

00:51:35.616 --> 00:51:36.352
and things like that.

00:51:36.376 --> 00:51:39.860
We just keep it
the way it should be.

00:51:44.224 --> 00:51:46.603
I miss the job
that I do with him.

00:51:46.627 --> 00:51:52.472
I miss the things
that I talk to him every day.

00:51:52.713 --> 00:51:56.853
Th-that's what
the big difference is.

00:51:56.877 --> 00:51:58.679
I'm sorry.

00:52:01.481 --> 00:52:05.125
[indistinct chatter]

00:52:12.252 --> 00:52:17.473
[Lollie]Of course,
he's very proud of her
doing all these things.

00:52:17.497 --> 00:52:21.838
And he tells everybody then
that if something happens
to me,

00:52:21.862 --> 00:52:23.640
my daughter
will take over for me.

00:52:23.664 --> 00:52:25.882
That's what he tells
all these people in Minden

00:52:25.906 --> 00:52:28.404
that don't worry
if I'm not going to make it,

00:52:28.428 --> 00:52:31.247
my daughter
will be always here
to help you guys out.

00:52:31.271 --> 00:52:33.530
[Ayne] How many did you guys
get so far?

00:52:33.554 --> 00:52:35.612
[Lollie]
And I told him many times

00:52:35.636 --> 00:52:37.934
that maybe you should
take care of yourself

00:52:37.958 --> 00:52:39.536
before you can
take care of others.

00:52:39.560 --> 00:52:41.337
But he said,
"I'm doing it, Lol.

00:52:41.361 --> 00:52:43.900
I'm helping others.
I want to help them."

00:52:43.924 --> 00:52:46.222
[man] We have one red light,
so I don't have

00:52:46.246 --> 00:52:47.824
the things that
the other counties
have to deal with,

00:52:47.848 --> 00:52:50.707
so I can hit up the largest
search and rescue team.

00:52:50.731 --> 00:52:52.749
[Ayne]
I get so tired of talking
to people all day

00:52:52.773 --> 00:52:54.190
that I don't even like
to talk to people at night.

00:52:54.214 --> 00:52:57.433
I know that sounds terrible,
but I just don't even feel

00:52:57.457 --> 00:52:58.154
like talking to people

00:52:58.178 --> 00:53:00.757
because I'm just so tired
of talking all day

00:53:00.781 --> 00:53:03.600
and just all day long,
defusing bombs,

00:53:03.624 --> 00:53:06.763
defusing situations,
calming people down,

00:53:06.787 --> 00:53:09.349
listening to people complain.

00:53:09.469 --> 00:53:11.608
You cannot win
with, uh, people

00:53:11.632 --> 00:53:15.556
because you're
not going to say
what they want to hear.

00:53:16.116 --> 00:53:17.253
This is the time
to buckle down.

00:53:17.277 --> 00:53:22.218
I mean, this is not the time
to, you know... flake out.

00:53:22.242 --> 00:53:25.101
I mean, you just can't.
There's, there's no choice.

00:53:25.125 --> 00:53:25.982
You have to do it.

00:53:26.006 --> 00:53:28.464
Otherwise, who else
is going to do it?

00:53:28.488 --> 00:53:33.373
At the end of the day,
I just can't handle anymore.

00:53:33.734 --> 00:53:37.233
[Lollie]
She's exactly the same
like her father.

00:53:37.257 --> 00:53:40.460
Whatever she can do,
she will do.

00:53:44.625 --> 00:53:45.602
[sighs]

00:53:45.626 --> 00:53:47.307
That's the way.

00:53:48.148 --> 00:53:50.671
[engine revving]

00:53:56.076 --> 00:53:58.078
[Butter chuckles]

00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:01.882
[car door slams]

00:54:03.283 --> 00:54:04.965
We are...

00:54:07.087 --> 00:54:10.226
headed to Thurmond
down to New River.

00:54:10.250 --> 00:54:11.307
Hopefully do
some bass fishing.

00:54:11.331 --> 00:54:14.815
Might even catch
a catfish or two,
you never know.

00:54:15.375 --> 00:54:17.538
I've been coming down here...

00:54:18.098 --> 00:54:22.022
I'd say since I was 10
or 12 years old.

00:54:22.623 --> 00:54:26.466
Yeah. She's up.
There's the river right there.

00:54:31.512 --> 00:54:34.635
Now, this is one place
I would move to.

00:54:37.037 --> 00:54:38.334
If you get my wife to move,

00:54:38.358 --> 00:54:41.081
I'd be right down
on the riverbank.

00:54:42.683 --> 00:54:44.420
[Kevin] Got that
down pat now, huh?

00:54:44.444 --> 00:54:45.501
[Butter] What's that?

00:54:45.526 --> 00:54:47.143
You just kind of stop,
point, and talk,

00:54:47.167 --> 00:54:49.946
and they think you're saying
something important.

00:54:49.970 --> 00:54:52.653
-[Butter] Yeah.
-[both laugh]

00:55:13.233 --> 00:55:16.877
[Butter]The Indians call it
The River of Death.

00:55:17.397 --> 00:55:20.056
At least once
or twice a year,
somebody drowns in it.

00:55:20.080 --> 00:55:23.323
I mean, that's just
the history of it.

00:55:25.365 --> 00:55:26.823
A lot of people
have moved down here

00:55:26.847 --> 00:55:28.424
and just lived
their whole life,

00:55:28.448 --> 00:55:33.654
and... their history is here,
like mine.

00:55:34.935 --> 00:55:38.699
Just home, man. Just love it.
You know, you just...

00:55:39.259 --> 00:55:40.597
I just love it.

00:55:40.621 --> 00:55:43.664
It was a catfish.
He's a nice one too.

00:55:44.545 --> 00:55:46.587
Hey, Kevin.

00:55:47.187 --> 00:55:50.871
You need some help
showing how it's done, son?

00:55:51.191 --> 00:55:52.713
[laughs]

00:56:01.522 --> 00:56:03.403
[keys jingling]

00:56:04.084 --> 00:56:04.901
[Lollie] Oh, my goodness.

00:56:04.925 --> 00:56:08.625
This is one of our properties
that he stored the antiques.

00:56:08.649 --> 00:56:10.731
Oh, the light is on.

00:56:11.411 --> 00:56:11.948
These are old.

00:56:11.972 --> 00:56:14.911
These were, these were full
of stuff at the time.

00:56:14.935 --> 00:56:17.514
-[Susie] Look at this.
-This is what I've been doing.

00:56:17.538 --> 00:56:19.355
Cleaning and throwing.

00:56:19.379 --> 00:56:22.559
I throw away
so much research papers.

00:56:22.583 --> 00:56:23.359
Oh, lord.

00:56:23.383 --> 00:56:25.041
-Yeah.
-It's very pretty.

00:56:25.065 --> 00:56:29.966
Yeah. So we just use this
as a storage building.

00:56:29.990 --> 00:56:34.555
If you go to the mall
where I took the things of it,

00:56:34.675 --> 00:56:35.491
it's so much.

00:56:35.516 --> 00:56:37.734
And there's so much more
in this side.

00:56:37.758 --> 00:56:38.855
Come, come.

00:56:38.879 --> 00:56:42.002
I'll show you.
If you come here.

00:56:42.883 --> 00:56:44.805
This is... [laughs]

00:56:46.927 --> 00:56:51.732
They don't want
to talk about their father
most of the time.

00:56:52.973 --> 00:56:56.873
Especially Ayne,
she doesn't show so much.

00:56:56.897 --> 00:56:59.339
But she cries. Yeah.

00:57:02.062 --> 00:57:05.802
She's responsible
with all so much

00:57:05.826 --> 00:57:06.643
left by her father.

00:57:06.667 --> 00:57:10.206
But, uh, sometimes
she says, Mommy,
don't sell them yet.

00:57:10.230 --> 00:57:11.848
Don't sell, like, the books

00:57:11.872 --> 00:57:14.170
and some of these furnitures
that are really old.

00:57:14.194 --> 00:57:17.958
Sometimes, she doesn't like
to part with them yet.

00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:20.857
I said, "It's getting
too late now.

00:57:20.881 --> 00:57:24.164
I'm getting older.
We are getting older."

00:57:24.444 --> 00:57:26.022
I did all this work.

00:57:26.046 --> 00:57:28.424
-[Susie] You did?
-[Lollie] Yes.

00:57:28.448 --> 00:57:29.586
I did the typing.

00:57:29.610 --> 00:57:32.228
I did the doing
all these things.

00:57:32.252 --> 00:57:35.151
I did all this
putting them together.

00:57:35.175 --> 00:57:36.432
It's a book.

00:57:36.456 --> 00:57:38.434
-Y'all didn't fight--
-I did all this work.

00:57:38.458 --> 00:57:40.356
Y'all didn't fight very much,
did you?

00:57:40.380 --> 00:57:43.640
-We were because
I wanted to...
-[both laugh]

00:57:43.664 --> 00:57:44.761
I wanted it to be like this,

00:57:44.785 --> 00:57:49.069
and I, I corrected,
I edited it well...

00:57:49.590 --> 00:57:51.271
the way I thought.

00:57:51.712 --> 00:57:55.932
I guess it's just normal,
uh, Susie.

00:57:55.956 --> 00:57:58.935
If there's no fight,
something's wrong.

00:57:58.959 --> 00:58:01.698
-[both laugh]
-Right.

00:58:01.722 --> 00:58:04.621
-[Susie]
It was very unhealthy.
-[Ayne] No, I know.

00:58:04.645 --> 00:58:06.743
I only eat if I'm hungry
or if I'm relaxed.

00:58:06.767 --> 00:58:08.945
People eat when
they're nervous
or they're mad

00:58:08.969 --> 00:58:10.466
or they're anxious
or depressed.

00:58:10.490 --> 00:58:11.788
I don't. I'm not one
of those people.

00:58:11.812 --> 00:58:12.989
-That's good though.
-[Ayne] So...

00:58:13.013 --> 00:58:16.392
-But you got to pick it up.
-No, I know I look disgusting.

00:58:16.416 --> 00:58:17.473
No, you don't look disgusting.

00:58:17.497 --> 00:58:20.356
I could feel my bones,
and I had to buy new clothes

00:58:20.380 --> 00:58:22.559
because my, my clothes
looked bad. That's terrible.

00:58:22.583 --> 00:58:26.242
So I have, like, four sizes
of clothes in this house,

00:58:26.266 --> 00:58:28.148
which is awful. So...

00:58:28.789 --> 00:58:31.648
-Our health is all we got.
-I know.

00:58:31.672 --> 00:58:34.851
As you, as you tell
your patients.

00:58:34.875 --> 00:58:36.396
It's true.

00:58:36.877 --> 00:58:39.175
I've not gotten a chance
to talk to Steve.

00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:39.896
-Uh--
-I did.

00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:42.138
-Okay, what... [indistinct]
-[laughs]

00:58:42.162 --> 00:58:43.419
When did you talk
to him last?

00:58:43.443 --> 00:58:45.942
Just on the, you know,
texting a little bit.

00:58:45.966 --> 00:58:47.704
-Okay.
-Because, uh,

00:58:47.728 --> 00:58:48.905
I don't know,
if something happens,

00:58:48.929 --> 00:58:51.147
and I don't mean this
in a bad way,

00:58:51.171 --> 00:58:52.829
-but I get phone calls.
-Mm-hmm.

00:58:52.853 --> 00:58:55.191
Well, come to find out,
there's a meeting

00:58:55.215 --> 00:58:59.556
that they're having with the,
um, county commissioners,

00:58:59.580 --> 00:59:01.958
private locked doors.

00:59:01.982 --> 00:59:03.760
-All the lawyers...
-Mm-hmm.

00:59:03.784 --> 00:59:04.841
...and them.

00:59:04.865 --> 00:59:07.564
I feel like there's stuff
going on behind the scenes

00:59:07.588 --> 00:59:08.725
that we don't know about.

00:59:08.749 --> 00:59:10.326
-Mm-hmm.
-And I don't,

00:59:10.350 --> 00:59:11.447
I don't like it,
I feel compromised.

00:59:11.471 --> 00:59:14.891
Mm-hmm. What's he telling you
the meeting is about, though?

00:59:14.915 --> 00:59:16.677
[Susie] He's not.

00:59:17.157 --> 00:59:18.294
Okay, I'll have to call him.

00:59:18.318 --> 00:59:19.656
I don't know,
I haven't talked to him

00:59:19.680 --> 00:59:22.418
since I think
last time we talked.

00:59:22.442 --> 00:59:25.101
But it still makes me feel
very uncomfortable

00:59:25.125 --> 00:59:27.968
that he's not being
upfront with us.

00:59:28.288 --> 00:59:30.971
It makes no sense.
None of it to me.

00:59:31.291 --> 00:59:33.854
So you make any sense
out of it?

00:59:34.655 --> 00:59:37.177
No, I just need
an update then.

00:59:38.859 --> 00:59:41.021
Right there is a big one.

00:59:42.503 --> 00:59:43.960
They're sore too, right there.

00:59:43.984 --> 00:59:46.466
But go ahead because
I want you to...

00:59:49.229 --> 00:59:51.311
And they're all over.

00:59:51.351 --> 00:59:54.450
Which, um, breast did
you have cancer in?

00:59:54.474 --> 00:59:55.852
-Both.
-Oh.

00:59:55.876 --> 00:59:58.054
They didn't do
a lumpectomy,

00:59:58.078 --> 01:00:00.096
-which one did--
-Both.

01:00:00.120 --> 01:00:01.642
Oh.

01:00:02.402 --> 01:00:05.061
But you'd never complained
of all these lumpy things.

01:00:05.085 --> 01:00:09.209
[Susie] No, they just poof.
And they were there.

01:00:21.862 --> 01:00:23.800
[Butter]I feel
there's probably places

01:00:23.824 --> 01:00:24.961
all over the country
like this,

01:00:24.985 --> 01:00:30.350
but we've been fighting this
for over 40 years.

01:00:33.514 --> 01:00:37.253
It's... it's hard.

01:00:37.277 --> 01:00:40.737
Sue keeps me going,
and it keeps Sue going.

01:00:40.761 --> 01:00:44.781
...poor white community
in United States.

01:00:44.805 --> 01:00:46.102
[Butter]
I never thought anybody

01:00:46.126 --> 01:00:48.184
would fight for a town
the way she does.

01:00:48.208 --> 01:00:51.347
She's...
absolutely wonderful.

01:00:51.371 --> 01:00:55.471
I think his mama gets mad
when we all call him boss.

01:00:55.495 --> 01:00:58.218
Yeah, I don't care.

01:01:01.141 --> 01:01:05.866
But once she's gone,
I feel it's gonna be over.

01:01:06.306 --> 01:01:08.909
[baby crying]

01:01:11.431 --> 01:01:13.674
Gonna be a movie star.

01:01:17.157 --> 01:01:18.494
This is my home.

01:01:18.519 --> 01:01:22.482
Getting a little half smile
out of me, ain't you, baby?

01:01:23.243 --> 01:01:23.980
You cutie pie.

01:01:24.004 --> 01:01:26.967
I grew up here
and if I can help 'em...

01:01:27.848 --> 01:01:30.050
I'm going to try to help 'em.

01:01:36.977 --> 01:01:40.460
[birds chirping]

01:02:01.522 --> 01:02:04.140
[Susie] "I finally received
all of the data

01:02:04.164 --> 01:02:05.622
"from our trip to Minden.

01:02:05.646 --> 01:02:09.129
"Attached are
the laboratory reports.

01:02:09.850 --> 01:02:11.908
"Job 7367621

01:02:11.932 --> 01:02:16.472
"was the PCB analysis
performed on the soil samples.

01:02:16.496 --> 01:02:19.916
"Four of the samples
contained some PCBs,

01:02:19.940 --> 01:02:24.064
"although these levels
were not very elevated.

01:02:25.065 --> 01:02:28.124
"Job number 7367821

01:02:28.148 --> 01:02:30.527
"was a PCB analysis
of that puddle

01:02:30.551 --> 01:02:34.154
"near Arbuckle Creek,
which Butter showed us.

01:02:35.916 --> 01:02:38.519
No PCBs detected."

01:02:39.479 --> 01:02:41.121
Wait, what?

01:02:44.444 --> 01:02:47.784
"Had there been
very high levels of PCBs,

01:02:47.808 --> 01:02:51.267
"I would have recommended
that we put together

01:02:51.291 --> 01:02:54.390
"a formal report
of all of our findings.

01:02:54.414 --> 01:02:56.793
"Let me know your thoughts
on, on things

01:02:56.817 --> 01:03:00.076
"and what you would
like me to do next.

01:03:00.100 --> 01:03:02.318
I again thank you both
for searching..."

01:03:02.342 --> 01:03:05.481
[filmmaker]
How do you want
to talk about this

01:03:05.506 --> 01:03:07.524
as a part of the film,

01:03:07.548 --> 01:03:09.445
in terms of what people
will take away

01:03:09.469 --> 01:03:10.767
from what the results
have said,

01:03:10.791 --> 01:03:15.395
which is that these results
don't show the PCBs.

01:03:16.476 --> 01:03:21.041
[Butter] He tested below
the area I told him to test.

01:03:22.883 --> 01:03:24.260
[Susie]
It's there, but it's just...

01:03:24.284 --> 01:03:27.343
they're not getting in places
where they have high,

01:03:27.367 --> 01:03:29.025
you know, quantities of it.

01:03:29.049 --> 01:03:32.228
[Butter]
Which proves our point
that when it rains

01:03:32.252 --> 01:03:36.096
and it floods,
it just keeps moving.

01:03:42.903 --> 01:03:44.641
{\an8}[Stephen] The data alone
that's collected

01:03:44.665 --> 01:03:46.042
{\an8}by the state
and federal government

01:03:46.066 --> 01:03:48.284
{\an8}is enough to know
that cancer rates

01:03:48.308 --> 01:03:51.471
in Minden shouldn't be
what they are.

01:03:51.832 --> 01:03:54.050
But as far as

01:03:54.074 --> 01:03:57.053
where to clean up
and how to clean up

01:03:57.077 --> 01:04:00.360
and who should
be responsible...

01:04:00.561 --> 01:04:03.684
sometimes people
just don't like hearing

01:04:03.764 --> 01:04:06.486
what they don't want to hear.

01:04:09.850 --> 01:04:11.948
Through the fall
and the winter,

01:04:11.972 --> 01:04:13.910
we focused on

01:04:13.934 --> 01:04:16.833
what are we going
to be able to allege here

01:04:16.857 --> 01:04:21.341
and what do we believe
that we can prove?

01:04:22.022 --> 01:04:25.481
Something sort of
jumped out at us

01:04:25.506 --> 01:04:28.204
that if the EPA has Minden

01:04:28.228 --> 01:04:32.248
or any site designated
as a Superfund site,

01:04:32.272 --> 01:04:34.651
that takes off the board

01:04:34.675 --> 01:04:37.213
a lot of
property damage claims

01:04:37.237 --> 01:04:40.280
that can be made
under West Virginia law.

01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:44.661
So that took
a lot of the wind
out of our sails.

01:04:44.685 --> 01:04:48.745
Then we shifted the focus
to the cancer exposure.

01:04:48.769 --> 01:04:51.748
When did that statute
start to run?

01:04:51.772 --> 01:04:56.392
This is where things start
to go awry.

01:04:56.416 --> 01:05:00.276
So one day, I get
a call from Susie

01:05:00.300 --> 01:05:05.161
that Steve has filed
on behalf of the county.

01:05:05.185 --> 01:05:07.323
And I said, well,
that doesn't make any sense.

01:05:07.347 --> 01:05:13.650
We told them your statute
on your personal injury claim
has expired.

01:05:13.674 --> 01:05:18.294
But if we went through
the Fayette County
Health Department,

01:05:18.318 --> 01:05:21.457
you could create
a medical monitoring fund.

01:05:21.481 --> 01:05:26.102
Early detection
gives the person
the best chance

01:05:26.126 --> 01:05:27.263
at beating cancer.

01:05:27.287 --> 01:05:30.667
So we got the authority from
the Fayette County Commission

01:05:30.691 --> 01:05:32.589
to run out
and file a lawsuit.

01:05:32.613 --> 01:05:34.310
And we did.
We filed that.

01:05:34.334 --> 01:05:38.394
The whole point
wasn't to do
medical testing for them.

01:05:38.418 --> 01:05:42.583
The point was to find ways
to get them out.

01:05:42.823 --> 01:05:44.521
We just don't want
a pot of money

01:05:44.545 --> 01:05:45.642
so he can get some payout

01:05:45.666 --> 01:05:48.164
or so the county
can have some more funds

01:05:48.188 --> 01:05:49.325
to fuck around with.

01:05:49.349 --> 01:05:53.610
[Stephen] It was never about
getting money for the county

01:05:53.634 --> 01:05:56.973
to do anything other than
the establishment

01:05:56.997 --> 01:05:58.494
of a medical monitoring fund

01:05:58.519 --> 01:06:00.416
through the Fayette County
Health Department.

01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:03.580
And no matter how many times
I said that,

01:06:03.604 --> 01:06:08.104
that was just part
of some conspiracy theory.

01:06:08.128 --> 01:06:10.066
I felt bad,
and I felt very bad

01:06:10.090 --> 01:06:11.508
for bringing him
into their sphere,

01:06:11.532 --> 01:06:13.590
because he gave them
hope for what?

01:06:13.614 --> 01:06:16.713
He's been with us a year
dicking around with this.

01:06:16.737 --> 01:06:18.114
I felt bad, you know.

01:06:18.138 --> 01:06:20.997
I couldn't... I can't...
I won't even look at it.

01:06:21.021 --> 01:06:22.118
I-I don't have any, like...

01:06:22.142 --> 01:06:25.786
I would... I could scream
at him if I saw him.

01:06:26.106 --> 01:06:27.764
It's difficult to explain

01:06:27.788 --> 01:06:31.648
those type
of sophisticated concepts

01:06:31.672 --> 01:06:36.332
to the most sophisticated
of clients.

01:06:36.356 --> 01:06:40.256
It's exponentially
more difficult to explain them

01:06:40.280 --> 01:06:42.058
to unsophisticated clients.

01:06:42.082 --> 01:06:47.103
And I don't say that
with any type of malice.

01:06:47.127 --> 01:06:51.427
I mean, ignorance
is not a pejorative term.

01:06:51.451 --> 01:06:55.471
[Ayne]When we got that NPL,
I felt like it was like
this big accomplishment,

01:06:55.495 --> 01:06:57.113
but that hasn't
done anything.

01:06:57.137 --> 01:06:58.314
And then I thought Steve
and all that

01:06:58.338 --> 01:07:00.757
was another big jump
for something to happen.

01:07:00.781 --> 01:07:02.158
So I feel like
we got pushed down again,

01:07:02.182 --> 01:07:04.881
and now I don't know
what is going to happen

01:07:04.905 --> 01:07:06.683
to get another push up.

01:07:06.707 --> 01:07:12.689
There is an aspect
of we've been wronged,
you know.

01:07:12.713 --> 01:07:15.371
And they have, beyond
a shadow of a doubt.

01:07:15.395 --> 01:07:19.375
The law says the way
PCBs should be disposed of.

01:07:19.399 --> 01:07:21.057
The law is very clear.

01:07:21.081 --> 01:07:25.662
But years and years
and years of telling yourself

01:07:25.686 --> 01:07:26.823
the same narrative,

01:07:26.847 --> 01:07:28.945
you know that justice
should prevail

01:07:28.969 --> 01:07:32.228
because we're on
the right side of this.

01:07:32.252 --> 01:07:33.710
Yes, it should.

01:07:33.734 --> 01:07:35.952
You guys probably
should have brought suit

01:07:35.976 --> 01:07:40.156
in, like... 1985 or '86.

01:07:40.180 --> 01:07:40.717
I have no idea.

01:07:40.741 --> 01:07:43.079
[Stephen]I think the people
are going to have to move

01:07:43.103 --> 01:07:46.603
to embracing
a governmental solution

01:07:46.627 --> 01:07:49.566
as opposed to
a legal solution.

01:07:49.590 --> 01:07:51.648
[Aaron]
We're going to want to go
back through the history

01:07:51.672 --> 01:07:53.610
to figure out,
okay, why did we get
where we're at?

01:07:53.634 --> 01:07:57.614
The site was listed on
the National Priorities List
in May of 2019,

01:07:57.638 --> 01:08:01.297
and then EPA returned
to characterize the nature

01:08:01.321 --> 01:08:03.139
and extent of contamination.

01:08:03.163 --> 01:08:07.143
To date, we've installed
124 soil borings,

01:08:07.167 --> 01:08:11.708
uh, collected sediment
at 70 locations,

01:08:11.732 --> 01:08:14.671
surface water at 56 locations.

01:08:14.695 --> 01:08:18.635
So we still have some
additional samples to collect,

01:08:18.659 --> 01:08:21.117
but up to, through December,

01:08:21.141 --> 01:08:24.160
we have collected
833 environmental samples

01:08:24.184 --> 01:08:25.281
as part of
the remedial investigation.

01:08:25.305 --> 01:08:28.164
I know you're going to have
a question time for us...

01:08:28.188 --> 01:08:30.246
-Yeah.
-...but while
you're right here,

01:08:30.270 --> 01:08:33.129
I was told by you,
by the people before you

01:08:33.153 --> 01:08:33.970
who was in charge too

01:08:33.994 --> 01:08:37.934
that tell me
where you want sampled
and we will do it.

01:08:37.958 --> 01:08:40.096
You're up here
on this slate dump,

01:08:40.120 --> 01:08:43.499
and that's not
where we asked to be tested.

01:08:43.524 --> 01:08:45.381
Susie, if you just want
to make stuff up,

01:08:45.405 --> 01:08:46.503
-I ain't making crap up.
-...we've gone--

01:08:46.527 --> 01:08:48.625
-We've done... We've sampled--
-You're making stuff up.

01:08:48.649 --> 01:08:51.267
We have-- I'm sorry, Susie,
we have sampled

01:08:51.291 --> 01:08:52.268
where you've asked us
to sample,

01:08:52.292 --> 01:08:54.350
but we're not finding it
where you're telling us to.

01:08:54.374 --> 01:08:56.513
[Butter] You're... So you're
telling us that you put

01:08:56.537 --> 01:08:58.114
those test wells
where we requested.

01:08:58.138 --> 01:09:02.438
There were three soil borings
put between the basement,

01:09:02.462 --> 01:09:04.721
the former basement,
and Arbuckle Creek.

01:09:04.745 --> 01:09:06.843
Because if there's,
as I've been told,

01:09:06.867 --> 01:09:09.325
there's PCB,
there's this magic PCB blob

01:09:09.349 --> 01:09:13.650
flowing out toward the creek.
We would get it if with that.

01:09:13.674 --> 01:09:15.011
Based on the soil samples,
we didn't get it.

01:09:15.035 --> 01:09:17.493
You're just sitting there
and you're, you're kind of
being crappy...

01:09:17.518 --> 01:09:20.416
-You're insulting us.
-[Susie] ...and you're
insulting us.

01:09:20.440 --> 01:09:21.137
Now let me tell you...

01:09:21.161 --> 01:09:23.820
So I'm sorry.
That was inappropriate. Sorry.

01:09:23.844 --> 01:09:24.781
[all shouting]

01:09:24.805 --> 01:09:27.343
[Annetta] Come to our town
and our community center,

01:09:27.367 --> 01:09:29.706
and then you want to make
Susie out to be some liar,

01:09:29.730 --> 01:09:31.628
she makes up stuff,
and Butter makes up stuff.

01:09:31.652 --> 01:09:33.630
And for you to come in here
and to say that

01:09:33.654 --> 01:09:34.631
is very rude
to the people here,

01:09:34.655 --> 01:09:37.554
and it's very disrespectful
when you lose your children

01:09:37.578 --> 01:09:38.474
and you lose your parents

01:09:38.498 --> 01:09:39.596
and you're
losing your siblings

01:09:39.620 --> 01:09:43.520
one after another
for the last 47 years...

01:09:43.544 --> 01:09:46.362
Like I have. Or 40 years,
38 years, whatever.

01:09:46.386 --> 01:09:47.924
I was ten years old
when the EPA

01:09:47.948 --> 01:09:48.725
came here the first time,

01:09:48.749 --> 01:09:51.648
and my kids will probably
be here fighting a battle

01:09:51.672 --> 01:09:52.328
when I'm dead and gone.

01:09:52.352 --> 01:09:56.332
[Butter] We still have
to live with this shit
over and over and over.

01:09:56.356 --> 01:09:57.534
[Christopher Corbett]
Yeah.

01:09:57.558 --> 01:10:00.601
We can't clean up
what we can't find.

01:10:00.641 --> 01:10:03.924
Out of the 19 wells, 17...

01:10:04.004 --> 01:10:04.981
no PCBs at all.

01:10:05.005 --> 01:10:08.505
That shows us there is
a localized problem here.

01:10:08.529 --> 01:10:09.586
There is
a localized problem,

01:10:09.610 --> 01:10:11.868
but there's not
a widespread problem.

01:10:11.892 --> 01:10:14.190
-[Susie] That you're aware of.
-And... That we're aware of.

01:10:14.214 --> 01:10:16.513
You know what really
makes this hard.

01:10:16.537 --> 01:10:17.433
No, I...

01:10:17.457 --> 01:10:19.395
We don't doubt.
We really, we don't doubt

01:10:19.419 --> 01:10:21.397
that there was a bad
contamination problem here.

01:10:21.421 --> 01:10:24.681
[Susie] I still think there's
a bad contamination
problem here.

01:10:24.705 --> 01:10:26.523
I just think
you ain't found it.

01:10:26.547 --> 01:10:28.044
Well, we're trying.

01:10:28.068 --> 01:10:30.527
He's collected
over 800 samples.

01:10:30.551 --> 01:10:32.328
We're looking
everywhere we can.

01:10:32.352 --> 01:10:34.490
In the surface water,
in the sediments,

01:10:34.515 --> 01:10:37.213
in the soil,
in the floodplain.

01:10:37.237 --> 01:10:38.374
The problem is,

01:10:38.398 --> 01:10:40.857
we should have been
doing this 40 years ago.

01:10:40.881 --> 01:10:42.018
-[Susie] No shit.
-[man] No shit.

01:10:42.042 --> 01:10:44.060
I know, I know,
you know that,

01:10:44.084 --> 01:10:45.061
we know that.

01:10:45.085 --> 01:10:47.487
But here we are in 2022.

01:10:48.008 --> 01:10:49.305
You know, I'm sure

01:10:49.329 --> 01:10:51.267
whatever PCBs were
in the community here,

01:10:51.291 --> 01:10:54.414
they're probably
far away right now.

01:10:58.619 --> 01:11:02.142
[Butter]
The same old bullshit.
The same old runaround.

01:11:03.143 --> 01:11:04.681
I mean, there's no tests

01:11:04.705 --> 01:11:09.325
showing what it's like
living 40 years in PCB.

01:11:09.349 --> 01:11:13.874
Don't tell me we can't live
in the past because we are.

01:11:14.194 --> 01:11:15.692
I miss my good friends,
you know,

01:11:15.716 --> 01:11:18.519
that died of cancer.
I miss them.

01:11:18.879 --> 01:11:19.816
And you tell me that

01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:22.162
I'm just supposed
to forget it.

01:11:22.282 --> 01:11:23.459
Just shoveling bullshit.

01:11:23.483 --> 01:11:25.862
That's all they're doing over
and over and over.

01:11:25.886 --> 01:11:29.489
You just get sick of it
sometimes, you know? Just...

01:11:29.810 --> 01:11:31.427
And then you just say,
to hell with it

01:11:31.451 --> 01:11:33.814
and turn around
and walk away.

01:11:38.579 --> 01:11:41.461
[dogs barking in distance]

01:11:44.705 --> 01:11:47.003
[Ayne] I-I'm moving
from my house

01:11:47.027 --> 01:11:49.469
to my childhood home.

01:11:49.870 --> 01:11:51.007
I'll show you
where I'm sleeping.

01:11:51.031 --> 01:11:54.370
It was my mom's old room,
and it's kind of messy.

01:11:54.394 --> 01:11:57.493
So, um, just
be careful walking.

01:11:57.518 --> 01:11:59.095
And there's
clothes everywhere.

01:11:59.119 --> 01:12:02.418
And I know I have to go
through this thing,

01:12:02.442 --> 01:12:04.525
but I don't know
where I'm gonna put it.

01:12:04.845 --> 01:12:08.625
So I tried to give back
my engagement ring to Salar,

01:12:08.649 --> 01:12:09.546
but he would not take it back.

01:12:09.570 --> 01:12:12.308
He started getting
very upset with me.

01:12:12.332 --> 01:12:16.673
He showed up unexpectedly
last Saturday.

01:12:16.697 --> 01:12:20.637
I've not seen him
since December
of 2019, mind you.

01:12:20.661 --> 01:12:23.439
Um, but he would not
take it back.

01:12:23.463 --> 01:12:27.844
So he got very upset with me
to try to give it back to him.

01:12:27.868 --> 01:12:31.872
So I, uh... I still have it.

01:12:34.635 --> 01:12:37.157
It's our jewelry.

01:12:37.518 --> 01:12:38.535
When we first met,
the first thing

01:12:38.559 --> 01:12:41.057
I had said to him
was that I wanted
to have children.

01:12:41.081 --> 01:12:44.821
And of course, he apologizes,
says he wasn't good
at communicating.

01:12:44.845 --> 01:12:46.983
I was like, no, you're
pretty good at communicating,

01:12:47.007 --> 01:12:48.705
saying you didn't
want to do it.

01:12:48.729 --> 01:12:49.626
For the last seven years,

01:12:49.650 --> 01:12:52.068
every time you dismissed
or any suggestion

01:12:52.092 --> 01:12:54.030
I made to you,
I hate you more.

01:12:54.054 --> 01:12:57.193
I told him, I don't
have fucking kids
because of you.

01:12:57.217 --> 01:12:58.074
Oh, you can
still have them.

01:12:58.098 --> 01:12:59.876
I was like,
what kind of kids
could we have now?

01:12:59.900 --> 01:13:02.799
We can adopt kids.
I was like, I don't want
to have anything with you.

01:13:02.823 --> 01:13:04.400
And I said, you are
pretty insensitive and rude

01:13:04.424 --> 01:13:08.228
to even come around
and say this shit
to me right now.

01:13:09.149 --> 01:13:10.807
And you want me
to wag my tail

01:13:10.831 --> 01:13:12.513
like a dog at you?

01:13:14.274 --> 01:13:15.612
I was like,
there are plenty of times

01:13:15.636 --> 01:13:18.855
I would have loved for you
to have surprised me,

01:13:18.879 --> 01:13:21.121
and you never
fucking came.

01:13:22.683 --> 01:13:24.164
Ever.

01:13:27.007 --> 01:13:29.489
♪♪

01:13:39.940 --> 01:13:43.279
I have an aunt who wanted
to buy my house,

01:13:43.303 --> 01:13:45.522
um, so I said, that's fine,
if you're going to buy it

01:13:45.546 --> 01:13:48.949
for what I bought it for,
I'll sell it to you.

01:13:50.270 --> 01:13:52.649
I didn't want to sell it,
to be honest with you.

01:13:52.673 --> 01:13:53.810
I cried about it
a couple times

01:13:53.834 --> 01:13:55.652
because when I bought
that house,

01:13:55.676 --> 01:13:56.973
I envisioned it
to be a house

01:13:56.997 --> 01:13:58.094
where I had,
you know, children

01:13:58.118 --> 01:14:00.537
and had my own life
and things like that.

01:14:00.561 --> 01:14:04.621
For me, it was just like,
you're holding on
to something for no reason.

01:14:04.645 --> 01:14:07.768
You're being, you know,
just ridiculous.

01:14:08.208 --> 01:14:10.571
You just have to let it go.

01:14:15.495 --> 01:14:20.196
This has most of my stuff
from the other house,
which is for now.

01:14:20.220 --> 01:14:25.161
So it has a lot of clothes
that I had accumulated

01:14:25.185 --> 01:14:26.603
and then boxes
of all my stuff,

01:14:26.627 --> 01:14:30.326
which I don't know where
we're going to put all of it
because there's no space.

01:14:30.350 --> 01:14:35.171
I mean, my mom sends stuff
to the Philippines a lot.

01:14:35.195 --> 01:14:36.557
Um...

01:14:37.918 --> 01:14:39.055
Can't live like this.

01:14:39.079 --> 01:14:42.122
It's just, it's just
too much stuff.

01:14:53.413 --> 01:14:55.151
I could easily say
I'm depressed,

01:14:55.175 --> 01:14:57.978
even probably
clinically depressed.

01:14:58.699 --> 01:15:01.758
You feel depressed
because you can't
control work

01:15:01.782 --> 01:15:04.184
or you're overworked.

01:15:04.264 --> 01:15:05.562
And then on top of that,
if you thought

01:15:05.586 --> 01:15:07.123
you would have children
at a certain age

01:15:07.147 --> 01:15:09.526
and it didn't hit
those milestones,
and then you're like,

01:15:09.550 --> 01:15:12.913
well, this isn't how life
is supposed to be.

01:15:13.954 --> 01:15:17.213
But you can't define
your whole life on things

01:15:17.237 --> 01:15:18.655
that didn't happen.

01:15:18.679 --> 01:15:20.096
[indistinct chatter]

01:15:20.120 --> 01:15:23.540
{\an8}The only failure is if you
keep going with the same plan

01:15:23.564 --> 01:15:24.821
{\an8}that doesn't work.

01:15:24.845 --> 01:15:27.848
{\an8}That, to me,
is worse than failing.

01:15:28.729 --> 01:15:31.187
You have to know
when to get out of something.

01:15:31.211 --> 01:15:34.270
pick yourself back up
and either if
it's meant to be

01:15:34.294 --> 01:15:36.232
or you really
are passionate about,

01:15:36.256 --> 01:15:37.514
you find another way.

01:15:37.538 --> 01:15:39.540
Otherwise, let it go.

01:15:39.700 --> 01:15:42.679
That's why to me, I want
to just kind of get rid

01:15:42.703 --> 01:15:44.440
of a lot of stuff
and then decide, you know,

01:15:44.464 --> 01:15:49.389
what else do I need to do
to be calm and peaceful?

01:15:50.030 --> 01:15:54.090
And I really just
don't want to think
about anything.

01:15:54.114 --> 01:15:56.012
[Tom] Oh, uh, when
we get to that table

01:15:56.036 --> 01:16:00.376
and, uh, all the other stuff
in there, you may end up...

01:16:00.400 --> 01:16:02.178
[Ayne]
I mean, it wasn't easy
to tell Tom

01:16:02.202 --> 01:16:05.205
that we wanted
to sell the property...

01:16:06.046 --> 01:16:07.183
but I did tell him,
you know,

01:16:07.207 --> 01:16:08.424
it didn't turn out
the way we want.

01:16:08.448 --> 01:16:12.188
It's an extra expense
that I can't
manage right now.

01:16:12.212 --> 01:16:12.949
It's just too much.

01:16:12.973 --> 01:16:17.233
And it's a reminder
of something that
just didn't work out.

01:16:17.257 --> 01:16:18.194
I want to get rid of it

01:16:18.218 --> 01:16:19.876
and move on to something
else or nothing.

01:16:19.900 --> 01:16:22.559
Well, we have to clear up
for the next people.

01:16:22.583 --> 01:16:23.640
That's what it is,
you know.

01:16:23.664 --> 01:16:26.482
Well, of course, of course.
And I'm working on...

01:16:26.507 --> 01:16:27.123
And it's a mess.

01:16:27.147 --> 01:16:28.885
-It's a disaster.
-[Lollie] I understand.

01:16:28.909 --> 01:16:31.407
[Tom] You can pick
if you want. That girl...

01:16:31.431 --> 01:16:33.009
I know you wanted
your pictures

01:16:33.033 --> 01:16:34.410
and the Indian artifacts
and stuff.

01:16:34.434 --> 01:16:37.453
And I got some pipes
and stuff up here for you.

01:16:37.477 --> 01:16:39.119
And arrows.

01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:41.217
Uh, can I have
those things now?

01:16:41.241 --> 01:16:42.298
Yeah. Yeah. Of course.

01:16:42.322 --> 01:16:46.623
Like I said, I told you
I'd keep them here,
and that's what I've done.

01:16:46.647 --> 01:16:49.145
Uh, if there's
any other small items,

01:16:49.169 --> 01:16:51.948
I'll make sure they're there
if I run into them,

01:16:51.972 --> 01:16:54.070
if there's something I forgot.

01:16:54.094 --> 01:16:55.632
I don't know why
I didn't take that one down.

01:16:55.656 --> 01:16:57.514
I guess I missed it
right up in that corner.

01:16:57.538 --> 01:17:00.140
-It's okay.
-Here you are, my friend.

01:17:00.260 --> 01:17:02.959
-I'm sorry...
-[Tom] It's okay.

01:17:02.983 --> 01:17:05.241
-I'm sorry.
-[Tom] You don't need to be.

01:17:05.265 --> 01:17:08.685
-I wish we could do more.
-It's... Yeah. It's okay.

01:17:08.709 --> 01:17:11.431
Things work out like
they're supposed to.

01:17:13.073 --> 01:17:16.492
You listen. Listen.
You keep in touch
with me at least, okay?

01:17:16.517 --> 01:17:19.640
[Tom] I'll send you a picture
over or something.

01:17:20.480 --> 01:17:23.123
I appreciate you.
Thank you.

01:17:23.443 --> 01:17:25.301
-I love you.
-You take care, okay?

01:17:25.325 --> 01:17:26.703
-You too.
-Alright.

01:17:26.727 --> 01:17:28.769
-Thank you.
-You take care.

01:17:28.849 --> 01:17:30.106
Thank you, my friend.

01:17:30.130 --> 01:17:30.787
Yeah. Anything else?

01:17:30.811 --> 01:17:34.334
-Is that it for the day?
-I guess that's it for today.

01:17:46.867 --> 01:17:48.324
[Tom sighs]

01:17:48.348 --> 01:17:50.070
[zipper buzzes]

01:17:50.911 --> 01:17:53.754
[sobs quietly]

01:18:06.326 --> 01:18:07.848
[chuckles]

01:18:08.288 --> 01:18:09.890
For sure.

01:18:10.090 --> 01:18:13.934
[♪ poignant music playing]

01:18:20.981 --> 01:18:23.159
[Tom] I went to several
of those meetings

01:18:23.183 --> 01:18:28.348
and everyone
that I saw there...

01:18:29.910 --> 01:18:31.768
they seemed like me,

01:18:31.792 --> 01:18:34.795
but they thought
they deserved more.

01:18:35.035 --> 01:18:36.533
[both laughing]

01:18:36.557 --> 01:18:40.721
-Awkward.
-It makes it very difficult,
doesn't it?

01:18:41.001 --> 01:18:43.780
[Tom] The very first thing
I did when she told me

01:18:43.804 --> 01:18:46.046
she was going to sell it...

01:18:47.127 --> 01:18:50.731
I went about a mile
and a half...

01:18:52.853 --> 01:18:56.352
down through the holler,
over the hill to the crick.

01:18:56.376 --> 01:19:00.276
And right above the crick,
I had two headstones.

01:19:00.300 --> 01:19:04.665
Still got them. They're in
a storage building now.

01:19:04.985 --> 01:19:08.789
Took me near two weeks
to get them out there.

01:19:14.515 --> 01:19:17.253
I thought we were going
to be able to die here

01:19:17.277 --> 01:19:19.359
and just be at peace.

01:19:19.880 --> 01:19:24.765
But... life offers you
different things.

01:19:26.567 --> 01:19:30.186
And all you can do is just
take what it offers you

01:19:30.210 --> 01:19:34.775
and do the best
you can with it.

01:19:37.497 --> 01:19:39.339
[Lollie] What time is it now?

01:19:40.541 --> 01:19:42.102
[Ayne] Eight.

01:19:42.262 --> 01:19:45.762
[Lollie] I wonder
if we're going to eat
this thing till tomorrow.

01:19:45.786 --> 01:19:47.163
[laughs]

01:19:47.187 --> 01:19:48.829
I don't know.

01:19:49.790 --> 01:19:52.849
I told her to move patients
from the 27th

01:19:52.873 --> 01:19:53.610
because at noon,

01:19:53.634 --> 01:19:55.852
they changed that
luncheon to the 27th.

01:19:55.876 --> 01:19:58.639
Remember we were supposed
to have it.

01:20:12.092 --> 01:20:15.151
My dad was always going,
going, going,

01:20:15.175 --> 01:20:18.178
and I probably got part
of that from him.

01:20:20.100 --> 01:20:21.477
I don't know if it's
a dissatisfaction

01:20:21.501 --> 01:20:25.001
of what you're supposed
to contribute to society,

01:20:25.025 --> 01:20:26.723
but... I know

01:20:26.747 --> 01:20:30.390
at the end of the day,
none of that's
going to matter.

01:20:33.674 --> 01:20:37.998
But, um, it's just...
it's hard to let it go.

01:20:46.527 --> 01:20:50.971
I had big lofty goals,
and it didn't pan out.

01:20:51.051 --> 01:20:55.832
But I try to think that
things happen for a reason.

01:20:55.856 --> 01:20:57.954
[water running]

01:20:57.978 --> 01:21:00.340
I still believe in that.

01:21:05.986 --> 01:21:10.871
You know, I think back
and there's people I would
have been with...

01:21:12.112 --> 01:21:14.010
they all have kids now,

01:21:14.034 --> 01:21:18.759
and I could have
easily inserted myself
in their position.

01:21:21.001 --> 01:21:22.378
But then
I wouldn't have had

01:21:22.402 --> 01:21:25.301
those last few years
with my dad.

01:21:25.325 --> 01:21:28.224
If you look at the leaves,
they're buried inside.

01:21:28.248 --> 01:21:30.627
You may not see
the leaves, even.

01:21:30.651 --> 01:21:31.387
And it correlates.

01:21:31.411 --> 01:21:34.030
Those people who were
very closely associated

01:21:34.054 --> 01:21:35.111
working with PCB

01:21:35.135 --> 01:21:37.634
definitely had that
toxic level in their body.

01:21:37.658 --> 01:21:41.798
This place has to be
shut down
and relocated.

01:21:41.822 --> 01:21:45.025
-[interviewer]
That's wonderful.
-Thank you.

01:21:47.347 --> 01:21:49.950
[Ayne]
I was meant to be here.

01:21:52.993 --> 01:21:54.515
[switch clicks]

01:21:56.717 --> 01:22:00.040
[♪ "Branscombe"
by Voka Gentle playing]

01:22:15.055 --> 01:22:21.678
♪ If I was in heaven
with you ♪

01:22:21.702 --> 01:22:25.401
♪ I wouldn't cry ♪

01:22:25.425 --> 01:22:29.750
♪ For a long time ♪

01:22:32.072 --> 01:22:38.855
♪ If I was in the middle
with you ♪

01:22:38.879 --> 01:22:42.979
{\an8}♪ I would be free ♪

01:22:43.003 --> 01:22:47.968
{\an8}♪ To speak my mind ♪

01:22:49.009 --> 01:22:52.388
{\an8}♪ Ooh ♪

01:22:52.412 --> 01:22:55.552
{\an8}♪ Would you lie down? ♪

01:22:55.576 --> 01:23:00.797
♪ See those clothes
I'm wearing now? ♪

01:23:00.821 --> 01:23:03.680
♪ Tell me where
my faith is ♪

01:23:03.704 --> 01:23:09.710
♪ Or is it off the road? ♪

01:23:10.591 --> 01:23:14.010
{\an8}♪ Ooh ♪

01:23:14.034 --> 01:23:17.614
{\an8}♪ Would you lie down? ♪

01:23:17.638 --> 01:23:22.058
{\an8}♪ Tell me which birds are
in the sky ♪

01:23:22.082 --> 01:23:30.290
{\an8}♪ Or which flowers lie
at the edge of the wood ♪

01:23:36.897 --> 01:23:43.439
♪ If I was in the garden
with you ♪

01:23:43.463 --> 01:23:51.672
♪ You would tell me
how it turned out right ♪

01:23:53.834 --> 01:23:57.293
♪ Ooh ♪

01:23:57.317 --> 01:24:01.057
♪ Would you lie down? ♪

01:24:01.081 --> 01:24:05.902
♪ Tell me which birds are
in the sky ♪

01:24:05.926 --> 01:24:08.024
♪ Or which flowers lie ♪

01:24:08.048 --> 01:24:14.374
♪ By the side of the road ♪