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People in California have
become increasingly frustrated
with homelessness in

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the richest state, in the
richest country, in the world.

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In the state capital of Sacramento,

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three people become homeless
for everyone who gets housed.

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Tolerance and empathy
are at an all- time low,

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while finger pointing from government
officials is at an all- time high.

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People are so exhausted
they just look away,

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but that only makes things worse.

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In a time when high rises and new
developments stretch as far as the eye can

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see, without an affordable home in sight,

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we have to ask ourselves what
sort of society we hope to build.

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Our homeless crisis,
our unsheltered crisis,

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is economics and the cost of
housing and the cost of living.

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There is no question about it.

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The fundamental problem
is that housing is a pure

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economic commodity.

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You can either afford it
or you're high enough on

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the waiting list to qualify for
a subsidized department or a

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supportive housing unit. And
for everybody else, we're sorry,

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you're on your own.

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That's the reality and we're
living with the consequences of it.

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Sacramento has a huge
unsheltered homeless population.

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We not only have a lot of people
who are experiencing homelessness,

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we have a lot of people who
are sleeping literally outside.

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And I was just checking the numbers.
As you know, the numbers are growing,

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but we have more people sleeping outside
in Sacramento than people sleeping

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outside in New York City.

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There's 3,900 people who are
sleeping outside in New York City.

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There was over 5,000
here in Sacramento. Now,

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New York City has a much higher per
capita of homelessness than Sacramento.

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About 90,000 people are
experiencing homelessness on
any given night in New York

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City. 10,000 in Sacramento.

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The difference really is, is that
the people who are sleeping outside.

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New York has a law called
the right to shelter.

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We don't have that law and we don't
have anywhere near the capacity of the

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shelter space to offer folks.
And in fact,

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we only have shelter enough for
one out of four people experiencing

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homelessness. And that's true of the
entire West Coast. The West Coast,

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about 75% of people
experiencing homelessness are
sleeping outside on any given

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night. And that's why we have encampments.

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So we hear a lot of explanations of
what's causing modern homelessness.

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It's a choice. It's the
climate. It's liberal policies.

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I think for any cause of homelessness
to really have true explanatory power,

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it needs to be predictive in some way.

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And I think what we find now is that the
communities with the highest rates of

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homelessness have the highest
rates of housing costs.

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So at the core of this crisis right now,

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we're really talking about the increasing
rates of rental housing prices and

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some of the most affluent
parts of the country.

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The reason we have so much homelessness
in California is that housing costs have

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exploded and wages have not.

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So let's say someone is living on social
security or someone has a disability

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and is on SSDI, Social Security
Disability income or SSI.

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Those have not in any way,

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shape or form kept up with
the increase in housing costs,

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which if you've spent any time
in California and frankly,

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all over the country have
just absolutely exploded.

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If you're making minimum wage,

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even though there have been great efforts
to boost the minimum wage to $15 an

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hour, it doesn't come
anywhere near covering it.

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We have not meaningfully
increased the federal minimum wage

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in many, many years, and housing costs
have just completely disconnected.

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Government doesn't operate for
people on the edges of our society.

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It's all about keeping people or pushing
people that are in the edges either out

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of sight or pushing them back into what
we think should be normal and what we're

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deciding is normal.

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So government will always fail
in that way to acknowledge and

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understand what is happening on the
edges of human suffering that's created

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because of the very systems of government.
It can't really acknowledge it.

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It can't really look at it because to do
so would be to look at its own failure.

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I helped run the city's response
to homelessness for three years.

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I am a social worker
with an advanced degree,

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and it would take me years to navigate

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someone through this
process as it exists now.

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I don't want to blame this all
in Nymphism, but before 2021,

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the mayor had announced that he wanted
to open up nine homeless shelters or

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nine encampments. They
opened up none, right?

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Or there are various reasons why
they didn't open up any of them.

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Camp resolution is an
example of that. They said,

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"We're going to create tiny home
communities in this space where there's

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currently a lot of homeless folks."
So they cleared out the homeless folks

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there. Then they did nothing.
Then they said, "Actually,

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tiny home communities
are too expensive." Okay,

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we're going to do a safe parking. So
they spent $100,000 and paved that space.

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And then they said, "Actually,

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we did an environmental study and it's
too toxic to have cars parking here." And

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at that point, people just got fed up.

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And so they just squatted
the land and they said,

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"You're not going to kick us out. We
have a quadriplegic woman here who has no

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place to live and we're going to take
over this place." That embarrassed the

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city to the extent that they made an
agreement to lease out that parking

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space that became Camp Resolution.

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So I'm heading down to
Camp Resolution today.

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I want to get to know the founder share
and a little bit better and invite her

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to speak at Sac State as a spokesperson
for a potentially new model for how

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communities throughout California
are addressing homelessness.

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Camp Resolution's name was for us to
try to resolve what the city can't

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and won't. Yeah.

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And so that's why it's called
resolution because just by getting the

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trailers and getting ... There was 25
tents here before. Now there's not.

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Now there's 17 trailers
and it looks a lot nicer.

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It doesn't look like a homeless
camp. And we've done this.

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We accomplished this ourselves

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and that makes us feel good
is that we accomplished this.

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I think you guys should be proud of it,

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not only for what you've
accomplished for yourself. I mean,

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you really did change the
politics of it too. Yeah.

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Because I think with all of this, I
mean, it changed the conversation.

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Yes.

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It's a protest camp because there are
too many promises that the city has made

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to so many individuals in this
town and have fallen through.

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Like right now, their thing is
they want to make eight sites,

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one in each district like this, and
they want us to be the model. Well,

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how can we be the model if you
won't give us the tools to operate?

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I mean,

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it's more of a personal struggle than
it would be a model because we're still

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fighting for basic things
and it's frustrating.

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If they're going to do that though,
they need to provide the tools,

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the basic tools, electricity, water,

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because those have been a hardship
for us that we've had to struggle for.

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So we haven't been able to accomplish
other things because we have to

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fight for that and to be able to
provide that for ourselves every day.

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Well.

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I really appreciate you allowing us
to come here because as somebody who

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researches this, I mean, I've
never seen anything like this,

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and I think it could be a
model that could be replicated.

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There's something that's unique about
this and I like my students to study it

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and kind of observe it.

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And the uniqueness of it is love.

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It was thought of and created with love.

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Jared and Joyce,

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they're the founders of Camp
Resolution and they risk

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their livelihood,

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their freedom for us to
sit here for this to go on

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and my sisters, no matter what.

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It's just nice up here.
It's nice to be able to ...

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When he's gone and a generator
shuts off or something,

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I can't get out to start it.

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I can go to the door and yell for
help and somebody will come help me.

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I go out to the door when I'm out there
and yell for help when someone's coming

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and take advantage of me, not help
me. And I don't want to do that.

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I don't want to feel that
way. I can't do that again.

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We're here.

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All you got to do is come and ask us to
help and we'll help you as best we can.

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And if we can't do, we'll
help find somebody that can.

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The only problem we have now is
fighting housing. Other than that,

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we're doing good. Just need housing,
man. You need a place to live.

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It's the place. Camp resolution
is the place. I mean,

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I came in here not knowing nobody, nobody.

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And people who were following behind
me from research from Harris to

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Commerce, they followed me in here.

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So now there are residents
here and you can ask them,

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they'll tell you they feel safe.
I mean, besides that, I mean,

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it's a community. I love this
community. I wouldn't trade it.

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It's really scary out there.
I can say for one thing,

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before I came to Cal Resolution, my
husband, he was working, he had a 95.

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He lost his 95.

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Lost his 95 because he didn't feel
comfortable leaving me out there on the

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streets where everybody's
getting swept, go to work,

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knowing that when he comes
home, it's going to be okay.

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Everything's going to be all right.
Nobody came by. Since I've been here,

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he don't have to worry about that.
He can go to work. He could go pull a 13,

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14 hour shift if he wants to and
know that I'm safe, I'm comfortable,

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and I'm okay here. Not just because
I know how to protect myself now,

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but because I have a community around me.

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I have family around me who's willing
to help me as well if there is any needs

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to be helped.

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We create our rules for our own living.

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It's just basically in your own home.
It's just basically like in your own home.

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You're not having somebody from the city
coming to your home telling you how to

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live in your own house. It's the
same thing here. It's a hard fight,

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but it's happening. Everywhere else,

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they're not letting them have a chance
to let loose a little bit, relax,

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kick back, but we're doing that here.

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So how many homeless camps do you know
that's telling you to come on over for

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the barbecue? Not too many.
We're doing that here.

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And that's amazing that people are
actually really coming and showing support

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and showing love and eating
our food. They're like, nah,

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they're dirty down there. They're not
going to eat that, but they're coming.

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And it's a good feeling. They
see us as for people and not just

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something else.

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But it's just a celebration for the camp
and then tomorrow the Wood Street folks

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and us are going to have the bar with
you to celebrate because if it wasn't for

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them, we wouldn't be here. Yeah.
Is today the one year anniversary?

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Yesterday was. Yesterday. Yes. Yesterday.

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Was, yeah. Camp resolution. We got
in the gates. We stood our ground.

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We went to city hall. We fought with
city hall. We had activists that help us.

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We had Crystal Sanchez who helped
us. It was still helping us.

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We also have our coastliners, our
backers, which is the safeground folks.

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Thank you to them. It's to where now
we have a lease for the property.

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So we've done big things.

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They're able to get cars there.
They're able to get jobs there.

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They're able to take showers there.
They aren't running for survival.

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They aren't having to get up in the
morning and go look for the water for the

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day or the food for the day. It
is allotted the space, again,

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for people to sustain and
to be able to progress,

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which is different than
what's on the outsides.

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We now move to

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the final item of the special
meeting, and that is item five.

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After the 2017 and 18 strategy,

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I brought forward the comprehensive
sighting plan of 2020 and 2021,

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which despite its failures, and
obviously there were some failures,

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none of the 21 sites actually got

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up and running except for
camp resolution. So today,

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I am recommending to the city
council that we hand over the

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implementation of picking sites
for safe ground to the city

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manager because you
can't have an operator.

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It's more like the camp
resolution thing, self-governance.

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They may have said like camp
resolution, but in reality,

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the city manager's office was given
the authority to establish safe grounds

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throughout the community.

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He had the authority to stand up a
camp resolution style encampment,

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but that was never the goal in the work.

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There were never plans to establish
more self-governing encampments.

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Call the role, please,
on the substitute motion.

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Council Member Kaplan? No.
Councilmember Lowe? No.

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Council Member Talamontes? No.
Council Member Valenzuela? Yes.

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Council Member Maple. Aye.
Vice Mayor Gedda? Aye.

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Council Member Jennings? Yes. Mayor
Pro Tem Vang? No. Mayor Steinberg.

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Yes. The motion passes five to
four. Thank you all very much.

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If there's nothing else to come before
the city council, we are adjourned.

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For a while,

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we thought that we would see a lot of
Camp Res type models popping up because it

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gives people a sense of community and
really extreme conditions of isolation,

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offers them an opportunity to have
the structure of a mailing address,

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a place to get support, the
safety of connection and care.

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And that really isn't the
experience of most people who are

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experiencing.

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Homelessness. Janelle, would
you like to have some water? I.

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Would love that.

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A lot of times people really blame the
people that are out there right there

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like, "You did this to yourself.".

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I didn't do it to myself.

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I told everybody when
that came and they said

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the rent was going to go high
in Oak Park, I said, "Oh,

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my landlord ain't going to raise my

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rent." My landlord raised my rent to 1500,

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knowing I didn't have 1500.

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It's scary, really scary out there.
People out there raping people,

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taking their money. I had
a friend died out there.

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Her name was Karen. She froze to death.

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She was my friend.

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So this is under 12th Street
Bridge. We just call it 12th Street.

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This was the beginning of my journey,

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my nine year homeless journey on the
river. I got evicted from my apartment.

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I had lost my kids because I had drugs
in my system when I gave birth to my

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second child, and I just
pretty much lost it. Yeah,

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I just lost it. I went back and relapsed,

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went straight on into the drug life again.

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A lot happened while I was out here.

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I've been to the hospital probably
five or six times while I was out here.

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I've had a heart attack. I gave birth
to both of two of my kids out here.

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I gave birth to one, was
pregnant with both out here.

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A guy had me behind a trail
one day and he choked me

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unconscious. And when I came to,

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I believe it was probably two or
three days later, I still don't know,

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but they said my eye was falling out of
my face and they had to surgically put

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it back in and rebuild the wall on this
eye. I didn't think I'd ever be able to

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see straight again. It was mental
health, substance use, abuse,

00:17:36.130 --> 00:17:40.510
definitely being violated before.
And that's the life out here.

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You almost get used to it.

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I think that there's this
really challenging narrative
right now that people are

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somehow choosing to be homeless.
They don't want our services.

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The reality is that in many cases,

00:17:55.650 --> 00:17:58.030
our systems of care have
failed people in the past.

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And so they're skeptical and cynical and
distrustful of actually engaging with

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us.

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It takes ongoing engagement for long
periods of time to build that trust when

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given enough time, when given enough
patients to actually work with someone.

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People who have been outside for
a long time will come inside.

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The answer is not
criminalizing those people.

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It's not forcing them into treatment.
It's really working with them,

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building that trust,

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and then that trust and care relationship
can help them get back inside.

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But the times they got rough.

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And tobacco wasn't seven.

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And all granddad knew
what he did to survive.

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My mom died when I was 16,

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and I've basically just been out
here ever since. I was really naive.

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I always believed
everything everybody said.

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And being thrown out into the world,

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green by myself like that,
it was a wake up experience.

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It was pretty scary. I didn't go to
sleep for the first week I was outside.

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Majority of us been homeless for
years. Most of the originals,

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we all camped in this
area for all those years,

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but we've never camped
together. In this area, general,

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from bridge to bridge, but
not in a bunch together.

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We all come from different levels
of homelessness, different traumas.

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My mom was homeless. My
grandmother was homeless.

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So it's a generational thing.
It's natural to me to be outside.

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We had our own apartment
right in the area.

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My husband had a job. I was working. I
get income. So the rent was no problem.

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It was always taken care of. It was just
a guy. The guy wanted to really just be

00:19:47.570 --> 00:19:50.710
obnoxious. So we lost our place.

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We followed him to the
city dump with the U-Haul,

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with my stuff in the back of the
truck and the back of the truck,

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watching it going to the city dump. Not
only just mine, but mine, my husband,

00:20:00.690 --> 00:20:05.230
my children, and my grandson.
So a whole family gone.

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And that's really shit.

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I worked for SVC with a phone company.

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I worked in El Dorado
Hills at their call center.

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And then when they merged with
AT&T, they laid us all off.

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They set the whole cost center down.
Still emotional from losing my house.

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I lost everything I owned.

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I was able to leave with my bicycle on
a trailer with three cats and a dog.

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We spent our first night in a park.

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The rangers just make you lose
everything every time they make you move.

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You don't move everything fast enough.

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They threatened to take my dogs
while they shot at my dogs before.

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And one of the rangers out
there threatened my dog came
after her with a shotgun

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because she missed her when she shot
at her and because she was trying to

00:20:54.690 --> 00:20:59.410
protect me. We had to hide from
the grass and the bushes and stuff,

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hide, literally hide.
If it wasn't for my dog,

00:21:01.830 --> 00:21:02.750
I wouldn't be able to make it out there.

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I would've got beat up or robbed or beat
... Anything can happen to me out there

00:21:09.150 --> 00:21:12.670
because nobody cares if you
scream out there. Nobody cares.

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I lost my job and so we
went into a shared rental

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because we could afford that. And

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we woke up one night pounding on the door
and there were seven women outside of

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our bedroom door and
they tried to ... Well,

00:21:29.590 --> 00:21:34.430
they physically assaulted us and then we
were escorted by the Sacramento Sheriff

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to a hotel that they knew we couldn't
check into because we both didn't have ID.

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So the next day we went to legal services
and they gave us a list of all these

00:21:43.910 --> 00:21:45.810
outlets of people that can help us.

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It's the same list they still are handing
out that it's still outdated and half

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the numbers don't work.

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But everybody on that list that
we did contact all told us no,

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they couldn't help us.

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Well,

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we spent a lot of time
talking about housing and
employment and living wages and

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things like that as it
relates to homelessness.

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What I've noticed for a lot of people
that actually end up becoming homeless,

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the final step, that final crisis
really has to do with social capital.

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It's the relationships in people's lives.

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Do they have friends that they can
call? Do they have family they can call?

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And the really sad thing is that for a
lot of people that end up on the street,

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they don't have those relationships
that they can lean on.

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And so I think one of the most powerful
ways that we can help respond to

00:22:34.180 --> 00:22:36.540
homelessness, anyone can
help respond to homelessness,

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is to move from the idea of sort
of transactional things that we do,

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like providing meals or things like
that, which are helpful in a way,

00:22:45.700 --> 00:22:50.700
but moving more towards transformational
relationships. So can I hire someone

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who has experienced
homelessness? If I own property,

00:22:54.320 --> 00:22:56.960
can I rent to someone who
has experienced homelessness?

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I think really finding one person,
going deep, building that relationship,

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that's one of the best ways
to help people long-term.

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We've called this press conference to
strongly condemn and oppose the recent

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actions of Sacramento County
District Attorney Tian Ho.

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The DA wants to criminalize homelessness
instead of finding solutions to it.

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The DA wants to criminalize city officials
instead of working with them to find

00:23:35.620 --> 00:23:36.453
solutions.

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The district attorney has taken the
position that the city's actions to

00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:45.480
try to help homeless people is
actually a nuisance and is criminal.

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And he has in fact filed an action
against the city saying that, oh,

00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:55.400
the city is doing damage to the homeless
people who are for the first time are

00:23:55.420 --> 00:24:00.140
actually finding some refuge from the
concerted actions of law enforcement.

00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:04.380
You come out here and live. Let
him come out here and be homeless.

00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:07.480
Let somebody throw bottles at
him when he's trying to get money

00:24:10.040 --> 00:24:12.140
or throw eggs at him or
shoot him with paint guns.

00:24:13.280 --> 00:24:14.680
Try to run you over when
you're on your bike.

00:24:16.560 --> 00:24:19.130
Let him go through that
shit because we have.

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I've been through all those situations
being homeless in the last 13 years.

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It's more than most people could handle
and sometimes I didn't think I could

00:24:32.280 --> 00:24:33.113
either.

00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:41.200
TNHO's lawsuit and allegations against
the city that they were failing to

00:24:41.620 --> 00:24:44.920
enforce their ordinances
changed the environment.

00:24:46.120 --> 00:24:48.880
It created a world where

00:24:51.040 --> 00:24:53.040
it didn't spur more enforcement,

00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:58.160
but it created a world where
enforcement was seen as

00:24:58.500 --> 00:25:02.860
much more necessary and a much larger
part of the work being done by the city.

00:25:03.220 --> 00:25:08.120
There's no way that enforcement
only and ratcheting up enforcement

00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:10.780
practices is helpful to
the unhoused community.

00:25:12.520 --> 00:25:13.380
It's just not true.

00:25:14.080 --> 00:25:18.540
And I don't see any factual
basis for that idea.

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Many of us believe for some reason
that homelessness is unsolvable,

00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:23.860
and as a result,

00:25:24.020 --> 00:25:28.060
we are unwilling to make the systemic
policy changes or investments that are

00:25:28.080 --> 00:25:32.220
needed to actually do something about
it. And as we continue to not act,

00:25:32.340 --> 00:25:34.920
as that inaction
perpetuates the status quo,

00:25:35.560 --> 00:25:39.140
it then reinforces this idea that we're
not making any progress because of

00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:43.400
course we haven't made those investments
and this cycle continues. I'm a

00:25:43.460 --> 00:25:45.000
millennial. I was born in 1986.

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I think what's really powerful when you
look back at the history of homelessness

00:25:48.940 --> 00:25:52.220
in our country is that there's actually
been many eras of homelessness.

00:25:52.300 --> 00:25:55.980
So homelessness has arisen for certain
reasons and then it has gone away.

00:25:56.120 --> 00:25:59.860
And so it's easy to think because I've
never seen a United States without

00:25:59.900 --> 00:26:01.780
homelessness that it's
just always existed,

00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:06.140
but the reality is that we are living
through a very unique moment of conditions

00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:08.540
that are making it more likely
for people to become homeless.

00:26:08.600 --> 00:26:13.400
And so the number one thing that we need
from anyone right now is the political

00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:14.000
will,

00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:18.800
the public courage to stand up
and demand housing justice and to

00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:21.580
really improve the conditions that
are making homelessness more likely.

00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:30.760
I was really excited that Sharon and
Joyce agreed to come to Sac State and talk

00:26:30.780 --> 00:26:33.000
a little bit about Camp
Resolution. And while they're here,

00:26:33.060 --> 00:26:37.540
I want to hear a little bit more about
what they think about this lawsuit that

00:26:37.560 --> 00:26:39.900
the district attorney, the
county district attorney, TNHOC,

00:26:40.080 --> 00:26:43.160
is threatening against the city for
allowing camp resolution to exist.

00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:47.680
So TNHO has been kind of making the
rounds with different press conferences,

00:26:47.780 --> 00:26:51.840
threatening the city, the mayor
directly for allowing camp resolution,

00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:54.120
essentially threatening
the city for taking action.

00:26:54.780 --> 00:26:57.800
We don't get any support
from the city or the county,

00:26:57.920 --> 00:26:59.840
so we need all the support we can get.

00:27:00.020 --> 00:27:04.340
Right. And the little support that they
are offering, he's criminalizing that.

00:27:04.900 --> 00:27:05.320
Yeah. I mean,

00:27:05.320 --> 00:27:09.180
the only support that they've given us
is those trailers in the garbage and the

00:27:09.300 --> 00:27:10.133
bathroom.

00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:15.040
And we had to practically bake for those
things before they wanted to work with

00:27:15.060 --> 00:27:15.200
them.

00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:18.280
The garbage man told us
he wouldn't deliver to us
because it was a protest camp.

00:27:18.780 --> 00:27:21.400
That's why they were afraid to
deliver garbage cans there. Yeah.

00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:25.220
Next we have our keynote
speakers, Sharon Jones.

00:27:25.320 --> 00:27:27.940
I'm very excited that she came to campus.

00:27:28.360 --> 00:27:31.620
This is a really unique
opportunity and a special guest.

00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:36.780
So Sharon Jones and Joyce are
the founders of Camp Resolution,

00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:40.840
but I think it's truly incredible
what they've achieved and what they're

00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:44.120
achieving. And I don't know
how long it's going to last.

00:27:44.180 --> 00:27:47.140
I hope it lasts very long, but
it's always being challenged.

00:27:48.740 --> 00:27:51.220
I'm not just saying this. It
is beautiful when I go there.

00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:53.560
I'm very impressed by the
community that you guys built.

00:27:54.620 --> 00:27:58.440
And so I wanted to make sure we
give them a round welcome applause.

00:27:58.500 --> 00:27:59.960
Thank you so much for being here at Tampa.

00:28:08.300 --> 00:28:09.280
We're self-governed.

00:28:09.840 --> 00:28:13.400
We have to take care of ourselves
before we can take care of a community.

00:28:13.580 --> 00:28:17.740
So we've learned how to build
a community. We have meetings.

00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:19.600
We try to have meetings once a week,

00:28:19.780 --> 00:28:23.700
and we have community events
to bring the attention of

00:28:24.180 --> 00:28:28.500
homelessness to the public,
and the public has welcomed us

00:28:30.040 --> 00:28:35.000
into their neighborhood. Not everybody,
but we're working on it a day at a time.

00:28:38.420 --> 00:28:42.120
What's really difficult about the modern
homelessness crisis is that it is often

00:28:42.180 --> 00:28:45.720
reduced to one thing. It's about housing.

00:28:45.900 --> 00:28:49.420
It's about mental health. It's about
addiction. It's something else.

00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:54.720
The reality is that the modern
homelessness crisis is a long-term ongoing

00:28:54.760 --> 00:28:57.640
problem that our country has been
facing for the last 40 years.

00:28:57.720 --> 00:28:59.200
It began in the early 1980s,

00:28:59.700 --> 00:29:04.080
and as a result of all of these long-term
socioeconomic issues coming together.

00:29:04.620 --> 00:29:08.820
Yes, it's the rising cost of rental
housing. Yes, it's declining real wages.

00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:13.900
It's the ongoing impact of systemic
racism on wealth and inequality.

00:29:14.320 --> 00:29:17.400
It's the lack of mental health services,
the lack of addiction services.

00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:22.400
All of these conditions are happening
at the same time reinforcing each other.

00:29:22.940 --> 00:29:26.620
And the cumulative result is
that when people have crises,

00:29:27.120 --> 00:29:31.900
these conditions are making it more likely
that those crises are going to result

00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:36.280
in episodes of homelessness.
That is the modern homelessness crisis.

00:29:36.580 --> 00:29:41.520
The system is extremely confusing and
it's extremely difficult to get into these

00:29:41.540 --> 00:29:45.720
programs. There are dozens of
nonprofits, there are federal agencies,

00:29:45.780 --> 00:29:48.360
there are state agencies,
there are local jurisdictions,

00:29:48.760 --> 00:29:50.780
there are nonprofits
who organize all of it.

00:29:50.900 --> 00:29:55.840
And everybody who ever put any
money inside of it wants a say

00:29:55.940 --> 00:29:59.920
in how it's done. Not only is
there a supply and demand problem,

00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:02.340
But the application process,

00:30:02.540 --> 00:30:07.300
if you ask the entity who
runs the program how to apply,

00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:11.540
they will give you a different answer
than the government agency that funded the

00:30:11.580 --> 00:30:12.413
program,

00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:16.980
who will give you a completely
different answer is the nonprofit who's

00:30:17.020 --> 00:30:20.260
involved in deciding who
goes into the program.

00:30:20.360 --> 00:30:23.920
And so with three different
application processes and then

00:30:24.860 --> 00:30:27.940
requirements that are
different all across the board,

00:30:28.780 --> 00:30:32.380
it's impossible for somebody experiencing
unsheltered homelessness to follow the

00:30:32.420 --> 00:30:37.360
process and to meet all of the benchmarks.
You need stability before you can

00:30:37.420 --> 00:30:39.800
even think of navigating this system.

00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:52.260
The causing for the meeting is because
they're trying to sleep us May 16th

00:30:53.080 --> 00:30:56.340
and we want to find out
what Kent wants to do.

00:30:57.900 --> 00:31:01.780
We want it for everyone to be involved
in the decisions that come next

00:31:02.780 --> 00:31:06.260
about what we do and how we go about
doing it. We're like family now.

00:31:06.340 --> 00:31:09.140
You know what I mean? We have our
differences. We have our ups and downs,

00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:13.500
but for the most part, as you can see,
when it's time to come together and do,

00:31:14.120 --> 00:31:14.980
we come together and do.

00:31:15.820 --> 00:31:20.440
It. Look at what Camp
Resolution is doing. Look,

00:31:21.040 --> 00:31:22.470
you have people here that ...

00:31:26.060 --> 00:31:27.400
Where they going to go in career?

00:31:28.780 --> 00:31:30.660
I'll pay myself to the gate
if that's what it needs to be.

00:31:31.300 --> 00:31:31.940
You know what I'm saying?

00:31:31.940 --> 00:31:33.900
And I'll fight with it because
this is where I want to call home.

00:31:34.320 --> 00:31:37.140
Everybody's scared. Don't know
where we're going to go next.

00:31:37.300 --> 00:31:38.260
Don't know what we're going to do.

00:31:40.060 --> 00:31:42.460
She really just lost about it.

00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:45.920
It's clear that folks are nervous, angry,

00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:51.260
mixed emotions. What have
we done? Why are we here?

00:31:52.320 --> 00:31:53.540
What is the city complaining about?

00:31:53.600 --> 00:31:57.760
So we're here because the city says
it's okay for us to be here even though

00:31:58.380 --> 00:31:59.760
there's this toxicity issue.

00:31:59.820 --> 00:32:02.320
The water board's given this
variance allowing us to be here.

00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:06.340
But the city is still going to
move forward with kicking us out,

00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:08.780
even though the water board
said it's okay. I mean,

00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:11.480
this is a remarkable place.

00:32:12.080 --> 00:32:15.680
It's a remarkable community
that's in response.

00:32:15.740 --> 00:32:19.200
A sanctioned encampments is not a
new thing. There's no vendor here.

00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:22.460
There's no social service provider.
Nobody's getting paid to run this.

00:32:23.520 --> 00:32:27.720
And so it's a unique constellation
of events that kind of make this camp

00:32:28.040 --> 00:32:31.040
possible. And I think the city feels
a little bit uncomfortable with that.

00:32:31.180 --> 00:32:34.760
I think that means that these people
have gotten some power. They're raising

00:32:34.780 --> 00:32:38.220
their voice. The city's also
getting it from the other side,

00:32:38.360 --> 00:32:42.840
from the district attorney who's
saying that what's happening here,

00:32:43.040 --> 00:32:46.960
the city is making the city liable
for lawsuits or criminal charges.

00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:51.740
I think this meeting is setting up.
Maybe there'll be more paved areas,

00:32:51.840 --> 00:32:53.840
maybe there'll be more trailers,

00:32:55.600 --> 00:32:59.140
or maybe the city really are going to
try to force these people out of here.

00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:02.900
But I don't see how it won't be
a public relations nightmare.

00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:04.960
These people aren't going to go.

00:33:05.060 --> 00:33:07.500
You just heard a woman saying she's
going to chain herself through defense.

00:33:07.600 --> 00:33:08.620
I totally believe her.

00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:12.980
There's a disabled woman here who's been
here for two years waiting for housing.

00:33:13.140 --> 00:33:13.973
So

00:33:15.520 --> 00:33:18.720
there's going to be something that's going
to come down for certain by May 16th.

00:33:19.100 --> 00:33:23.780
For me personally, it feels like if
they close the camp, they're killing us.

00:33:25.800 --> 00:33:28.540
Being swept, it's a danger
that's killing people.

00:33:29.800 --> 00:33:30.880
And I don't want to die out here.

00:33:32.060 --> 00:33:34.420
I didn't ask to be out here and
I don't want to die out here.

00:33:44.280 --> 00:33:46.660
When a contract is executed,

00:33:47.060 --> 00:33:50.440
it's executed so that we have an
agreement on how things will move forward.

00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:55.620
The agreement was that until
permanent housing was found

00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:58.780
for everybody at Camp Resolution,
it would be allowed to remain open.

00:33:59.600 --> 00:34:02.680
And so breaking that promise
does two things. Number one,

00:34:02.740 --> 00:34:06.640
it erodes trust at a time when we
desperately need to be able to trust one

00:34:06.660 --> 00:34:08.220
another. And number two,

00:34:09.260 --> 00:34:12.820
it goes in the opposite direction of
what we say we're supposed to be doing,

00:34:13.200 --> 00:34:18.020
which is creating more opportunities
for people to be housed so that we don't

00:34:18.100 --> 00:34:20.460
have to sleep in the conditions
that we are right now.

00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:24.580
And I have really appreciated the
way in which Camp Resolution has been

00:34:24.660 --> 00:34:26.160
self-governed. Why?

00:34:26.560 --> 00:34:30.180
Because it allows us to be able to have
a model for how communities can be run.

00:34:31.060 --> 00:34:34.080
A way for us to be able to
resolve conflict together,

00:34:34.380 --> 00:34:37.720
to be able to set goals together and
to be able to live in harmony with one

00:34:37.740 --> 00:34:38.420
another.

00:34:38.420 --> 00:34:40.200
Camp resolution costs 300,

00:34:41.470 --> 00:34:44.060
3900 according to the city's audit.

00:34:45.220 --> 00:34:49.780
While First Step communities
city costs $3.3 million,

00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:55.920
we have accomplished more in 600
days than the city has in 600

00:34:56.040 --> 00:34:57.260
months. That's right.

00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:02.600
And we want to say thank you to
everybody that's been supportive to us.

00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:08.140
She does not talk to public.

00:35:08.780 --> 00:35:11.680
I do not talk in public, but
I'm not crying. I'm not crying.

00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:21.780
When do we want it? No. Who
are we? What do we want?

00:35:22.060 --> 00:35:26.760
Housing. When do we want it? No.
Come our sweet. Come on sweet.

00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:29.640
Come on sweet. Go our sweet. Who are we?

00:35:31.060 --> 00:35:35.200
My name is Susan Allhawk. I
am a resident camp resolution.

00:35:35.640 --> 00:35:39.700
This is my family here. We are
town resolution here. Steinberg,

00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:42.340
you know you've been out to our
camp. You walked through our camp.

00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:45.620
Do you guys seem comfortable that night
knowing that you got people on the

00:35:45.680 --> 00:35:49.360
streets that are dying? I just lost my
brother-in-law not even four days ago.

00:35:50.080 --> 00:35:53.320
A heart attack on Roosevelt Road.
Nobody came and assisted him.

00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:55.780
They looked at him like he was a
piece of shit and kept on going.

00:35:56.640 --> 00:35:58.400
Nobody picked him up,
not even an ambulance.

00:35:58.940 --> 00:36:01.720
How are you going to sleep knowing that
you got people out here that are down on

00:36:01.740 --> 00:36:05.380
these streets? You got people out
here are unhoused. Just houses.

00:36:05.460 --> 00:36:07.600
That's all you guys got to do.
And we'll leave y'all alone.

00:36:07.660 --> 00:36:10.440
You wouldn't have to see us out
here. Just give us our housing.

00:36:11.100 --> 00:36:13.360
I stayed camping too, and
if it wasn't for there,

00:36:13.500 --> 00:36:18.100
I wouldn't be here because
running around trying to keep my

00:36:18.200 --> 00:36:20.640
oxygen on twenty four seven.

00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:24.500
I couldn't do while running
through suites on the street.

00:36:25.240 --> 00:36:28.200
I did everything that you all do in
the houses, the moms and the dads.

00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:31.200
I did that. I got laid off
one job and lost everything.

00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:34.420
And then I have to go through the
sweeps and lose everything over and over

00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:38.160
again. I finally have a safe place
to be until I find somewhere to live.

00:36:38.660 --> 00:36:43.300
And now you want to take it away from
me. I can't go back out to the streets.

00:36:43.420 --> 00:36:44.860
I can't go back to the street like that.

00:36:46.160 --> 00:36:49.580
She's not the only one with a disability
there. These people deserve better.

00:36:50.100 --> 00:36:52.920
They deserve the housing that
you promised. And until then,

00:36:52.980 --> 00:36:57.780
they at least deserve power and water
so that they don't live in little

00:36:57.860 --> 00:36:58.693
ovens.

00:36:58.700 --> 00:36:59.480
Because we can't use.

00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:04.080
Any of the amenities in these
trailers that you gave us. Come on,

00:37:04.140 --> 00:37:07.100
how is that okay? How's that
all right? Let's not help.

00:37:08.040 --> 00:37:11.080
And you don't feel it
in your heart for us,

00:37:11.700 --> 00:37:14.580
then that's sad because we're somebody.

00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:19.820
We are somebody in this world and you
guys made a contract with us and now you

00:37:19.860 --> 00:37:20.760
want to take it back.

00:37:21.680 --> 00:37:24.180
We've been begging you for housing.
We've been begging you for shelter.

00:37:24.540 --> 00:37:27.680
And now you're having people come in here
again, begging you not to sleep them.

00:37:28.490 --> 00:37:29.600
Sending them to Roseville Road,

00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:32.450
while you figure out how to
build affordable housing,

00:37:32.510 --> 00:37:34.960
sending them somewhere else while you
figure out how to build affordable

00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:37.520
housing. No, actually
we're not going anywhere.

00:37:40.520 --> 00:37:43.680
So you know, we're not going anywhere.

00:37:45.680 --> 00:37:50.200
Whether you have to drag people out in
handcuffs, the city will be so shamed.

00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:51.720
I can't wait. I dare you.

00:37:53.520 --> 00:37:54.353
We will

00:37:57.200 --> 00:38:01.960
not displace you from camp
resolution without some other

00:38:02.240 --> 00:38:06.400
alternatives that are safe,
dignified, and indoors.

00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:11.200
So after the camp
marched to the city hall,

00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:15.000
the water board announced that they
were going to renew the variance on the

00:38:15.120 --> 00:38:18.400
property, basically allowing
residents to stay on the property.

00:38:18.560 --> 00:38:20.560
And I think they said
renewing it until December.

00:38:21.240 --> 00:38:24.280
The city has essentially
dropped its eviction notice,

00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:27.840
and so they have said that there's
no plans to close the camp.

00:38:28.080 --> 00:38:29.720
Clearly people are excited,

00:38:30.640 --> 00:38:33.000
rejoicing and celebrating
that they have this big win.

00:39:49.540 --> 00:39:54.320
Now we have to talk about grants pass
and this new Supreme Court ruling

00:39:54.520 --> 00:39:59.120
that I think really will
change the calculus of homeless
politics in places like

00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:00.113
California,

00:40:00.160 --> 00:40:05.120
and really will have a negative
effect on experiments and models like

00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:06.153
camp resolution.

00:40:06.600 --> 00:40:10.880
The grants pass decision all of a sudden
allowed every local jurisdiction in the

00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:15.080
Ninth Circuit the ability to enforce any
camping ban that they had on the books.

00:40:15.240 --> 00:40:16.880
And as soon as that was overturned,

00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:22.160
that immediately became a tool in the
incident management team's toolbox and it

00:40:22.240 --> 00:40:25.120
was time to begin enforcing
the no camping ordinance.

00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:27.520
It's like it's illegal to be homeless.

00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:31.480
It's against the law because everything
you do, you get in trouble for.

00:40:33.160 --> 00:40:34.880
And everybody's out to chase you off.

00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:38.520
I stayed at the river because I didn't
want to be in front of somebody's

00:40:38.560 --> 00:40:40.350
doorstep or a business' place,
so I stayed at the river.

00:40:41.080 --> 00:40:45.330
I couldn't even do that
without them bothering me. I
don't want to be a problem.

00:40:45.510 --> 00:40:46.630
I just want to have a home.

00:40:47.450 --> 00:40:51.730
They're making all their policies and
rules and everything on their perception

00:40:51.770 --> 00:40:56.010
of homelessness, not what's actually
happening. And down on streets,

00:40:56.070 --> 00:40:56.903
we're doing it.

00:40:59.390 --> 00:41:04.190
I think that's a lot of the policies
that they're making that we can't be

00:41:04.270 --> 00:41:09.110
anywhere. It's an infraction or a
misdemeanor. You can go to jail for that.

00:41:10.430 --> 00:41:11.263
I don't think that's cool.

00:41:12.970 --> 00:41:16.290
By criminalizing the
effect of being homeless,

00:41:16.550 --> 00:41:18.330
we just compound our problems.

00:41:18.710 --> 00:41:22.510
If you wind up giving people a criminal
record because you're throwing them into

00:41:22.750 --> 00:41:25.830
jail, you make it harder for
them to exit homelessness.

00:41:26.510 --> 00:41:30.390
The harm of sweeps is
multiple. First of all,

00:41:30.790 --> 00:41:32.790
let's just talk what most
people are concerned about,

00:41:32.870 --> 00:41:36.210
which is related to the cost of
things. Sweeps are expensive.

00:41:36.290 --> 00:41:38.230
They're a lot of money to run and operate.

00:41:38.310 --> 00:41:40.610
They involve lots of
coordinated personnel.

00:41:41.090 --> 00:41:43.090
So sometimes people just
kind of recognizing,

00:41:43.250 --> 00:41:46.250
is this where we want to be spending our
money and where we want our resources

00:41:46.290 --> 00:41:47.123
to be going?

00:41:49.350 --> 00:41:51.000
A cop shows up and says,
Hey, you've got ...

00:41:51.090 --> 00:41:53.370
And sometimes it's in less than 24 hours,

00:41:53.510 --> 00:41:57.810
but at other times it's up to 72
hours. Like you got 72 hours to move.

00:41:59.450 --> 00:42:00.283
If you don't move,

00:42:00.410 --> 00:42:04.650
you can be arrested or cited
and go to jail or find,

00:42:04.870 --> 00:42:06.530
which makes no sense
because you live outside.

00:42:07.010 --> 00:42:09.410
And so then within the 24 to 72 hours,

00:42:09.470 --> 00:42:14.450
a cop comes and then they grab all of
your things with this giant bear claw

00:42:15.330 --> 00:42:16.650
and throw it into a dumpster.

00:42:17.610 --> 00:42:21.550
And then you have to go find
another corner and a new tent.

00:42:21.990 --> 00:42:24.450
That means that you've lost everything,
all of your important paperwork,

00:42:24.570 --> 00:42:25.770
all of your important things.

00:42:26.150 --> 00:42:30.270
You are no longer what they call paper
ready so that you can get into housing or

00:42:30.310 --> 00:42:32.350
get access to services or resources.

00:42:32.830 --> 00:42:34.810
And so then you have to figure out
how you're going to get to the social

00:42:34.830 --> 00:42:36.170
security office to get a new one,

00:42:36.490 --> 00:42:39.270
or maybe how you're going to get a new
birth certificate. How can you even get a

00:42:39.310 --> 00:42:40.710
job if you can't prove who you are?

00:42:41.190 --> 00:42:43.670
What if you've lost your medications
and you can't take those on a day?

00:42:45.090 --> 00:42:46.170
They don't give you time.

00:42:46.610 --> 00:42:51.470
What they've given you in those 72
hours is the choice to pick what you

00:42:51.530 --> 00:42:53.670
can carry with you to somewhere else. It.

00:42:55.130 --> 00:42:58.590
Perpetuates a cycle. As an
unhoused community member,

00:42:58.850 --> 00:43:03.810
I don't know why I would trust
a system that has penalized me

00:43:03.950 --> 00:43:05.370
for trying to exist.

00:43:06.190 --> 00:43:10.710
The same hand that's going to write
you a ticket or put you in handcuffs is

00:43:10.830 --> 00:43:14.350
telling you to trust them. They
will get you the help that you need.

00:43:14.570 --> 00:43:17.750
I don't see how those go hand in hand.

00:43:18.370 --> 00:43:22.110
I don't see how you can say that with a
straight face and think that people will

00:43:22.190 --> 00:43:23.190
trust you and believe you.

00:43:24.530 --> 00:43:27.190
Even though the modern homelessness
crisis is playing out all across the

00:43:27.230 --> 00:43:28.063
country,

00:43:28.110 --> 00:43:32.170
the way we have responded systemically
is that we have hyper localized the

00:43:32.210 --> 00:43:34.670
response to homelessness.
In many communities,

00:43:35.190 --> 00:43:39.610
cities which have more of the reactive
tools in terms of local government like

00:43:39.650 --> 00:43:40.790
police and fire,

00:43:41.350 --> 00:43:45.950
they seem pitted against counties which
have more of the historic healthcare and

00:43:46.010 --> 00:43:50.590
human services. And these two entities
are fighting each other and not coming to

00:43:50.630 --> 00:43:52.690
agreement about how best to respond.

00:43:53.170 --> 00:43:56.670
And the communities that are having
the most success ending homelessness,

00:43:57.090 --> 00:44:00.470
they have moved past this division
of it's the county's fault,

00:44:00.550 --> 00:44:03.870
it's the city's fault, and they're
coming together to work together,

00:44:04.350 --> 00:44:08.030
figuring out how to invest together,
how to share resources together,

00:44:08.450 --> 00:44:11.690
those communities are making the
most progress ending homelessness.

00:44:13.310 --> 00:44:14.670
The public, I think,

00:44:14.790 --> 00:44:19.290
needs to be honest with itself about the

00:44:19.370 --> 00:44:23.910
choices here and that if we
are going to actually make it

00:44:24.050 --> 00:44:25.930
better for the general public,

00:44:26.610 --> 00:44:30.610
that the only answer in the
end is to help the people.

00:44:30.950 --> 00:44:32.310
And if we don't do that,

00:44:33.290 --> 00:44:36.890
the policy of moving people from
one neighborhood to another,

00:44:37.610 --> 00:44:40.510
one block to another, even
from one city to another,

00:44:41.090 --> 00:44:46.070
is ultimately unsatisfying
because it doesn't do anything

00:44:46.170 --> 00:44:48.650
to actually end the cycle.

00:44:50.430 --> 00:44:52.350
My impression is that the idea to,

00:44:52.650 --> 00:44:57.470
and the drive to close camp resolution
started sometime around maybe the end of

00:44:57.870 --> 00:45:01.590
2023 in earnest and the beginning
of 2024. But at that time,

00:45:02.310 --> 00:45:05.670
the variance that the water board
had issued was about to expire.

00:45:05.930 --> 00:45:09.390
And so the city sort of sat back and
though there was an appetite to close it,

00:45:10.350 --> 00:45:11.183
they thought, "Well,

00:45:11.470 --> 00:45:16.030
the question is going to be answered
for us come June one." Much to their

00:45:16.070 --> 00:45:16.903
disappointment,

00:45:18.550 --> 00:45:23.150
the community went around the city and
got the board to extend the variance on

00:45:23.170 --> 00:45:26.490
their own. And at that point,
everything got kicked into high gear.

00:45:26.890 --> 00:45:30.890
At that point, they needed to find
a way to now close it themselves.

00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:44.630
I can't help but think that the lawsuit
that the district attorney threatened

00:45:44.650 --> 00:45:46.690
the city with had an effect. Personally,

00:45:46.810 --> 00:45:51.110
I don't imagine he really cared about
what was happening in camp resolution.

00:45:51.330 --> 00:45:53.330
I think this was really a political move,

00:45:53.770 --> 00:45:55.550
but unfortunately it
did pressure the city,

00:45:55.670 --> 00:46:00.370
and I think the city eventually
acquiesced to that pressure.

00:46:09.410 --> 00:46:10.850
Why do you think they're
trying to close camp?

00:46:12.970 --> 00:46:16.630
I think that a few things have happened.

00:46:17.130 --> 00:46:20.730
You all have been
successful in some ways that

00:46:22.030 --> 00:46:25.930
can kind of embarrass the people who
make it seem like this is just so

00:46:26.030 --> 00:46:26.950
incredibly hard to do.

00:46:28.090 --> 00:46:32.730
So I think that in some
ways camp resolution

00:46:34.190 --> 00:46:35.810
highlights that

00:46:37.570 --> 00:46:42.170
we could do a lot more if
we weren't so committed to

00:46:42.510 --> 00:46:45.810
having to do it ourselves and that
it would look a little different,

00:46:46.950 --> 00:46:51.830
but we could serve people for
less money and we could create

00:46:51.910 --> 00:46:52.890
real communities.

00:46:53.530 --> 00:46:58.130
And it's a little bit embarrassing
to be able to see that happen when so

00:46:58.610 --> 00:47:03.230
many dollars have been spent,
sometimes less effectively.

00:47:03.750 --> 00:47:06.970
Oh, we're supposed to be going to City
Hall today because they want to evict us,

00:47:07.810 --> 00:47:12.610
which is crazy to me, but
this is what they do, right?

00:47:13.630 --> 00:47:17.610
Now just now recently am aware of being
able to be aware of this since we've

00:47:17.650 --> 00:47:19.950
been doing camp resolution
and going to the city.

00:47:20.010 --> 00:47:21.410
I didn't even know you
could go to City Hall.

00:47:22.930 --> 00:47:26.310
They don't teach you that in
school. Not around here, they don't.

00:47:30.890 --> 00:47:34.330
Yeah, I want all residents present,
please. City and the county,

00:47:34.670 --> 00:47:36.970
they have not done shit for us, nothing.

00:47:37.890 --> 00:47:39.730
They haven't done shit
for us on the county side,

00:47:39.810 --> 00:47:41.350
and they need you shit for us over here.

00:47:41.890 --> 00:47:45.130
And now it's time to hold them accountable
for it. But if you got down right,

00:47:45.270 --> 00:47:46.930
you guys will all be
held accountable for it.

00:47:47.010 --> 00:47:49.110
You're going to lose everything we've got.

00:47:50.070 --> 00:47:53.230
Everything's really out of the stream
where you're going to fucking be shackled

00:47:53.250 --> 00:47:54.990
up. And that's a fact.

00:47:55.410 --> 00:47:58.060
Where do we want? Where do we want it?

00:48:00.050 --> 00:48:01.160
Give it to us.

00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:08.800
Where do we want? Where
do we want it? Yeah.

00:48:10.680 --> 00:48:15.600
Shut it down. How are we? What do we want?

00:48:17.040 --> 00:48:18.630
When do we want it? Now.

00:48:19.470 --> 00:48:23.530
Camp resolution is an incredible thing.
I've never seen anything like this.

00:48:23.750 --> 00:48:25.750
It's a project that should be duplicated.

00:48:26.090 --> 00:48:29.350
The city should be studying it and
seeing how they could have 10 camp

00:48:29.410 --> 00:48:31.750
resolutions, because
this is actually working.

00:48:31.890 --> 00:48:35.930
What I've witnessed and observed after
a year is a community of people who are

00:48:36.030 --> 00:48:38.670
fighting and working together
to help each other out.

00:48:39.090 --> 00:48:42.850
I don't understand why the city is
reneging on its agreement to house these

00:48:42.870 --> 00:48:46.090
people. Renegaing its agreement to let
these people do what they're doing,

00:48:46.150 --> 00:48:49.910
which is surviving and thriving.
Instead, they're being bullied.

00:48:50.110 --> 00:48:51.710
They're being bullied by
the district attorney.

00:48:52.130 --> 00:48:55.330
They're being bullied by false
narratives and stigma of homelessness,

00:48:55.730 --> 00:48:56.563
and it's shameful.

00:48:56.730 --> 00:49:01.130
They should allow camp resolution to
occupy an abandoned lot that's not being

00:49:01.210 --> 00:49:04.550
used for anything. These people want to
be visible and they want to be heard,

00:49:04.730 --> 00:49:05.850
and the city should hear them.

00:49:06.430 --> 00:49:10.730
The Capricorn is giving us a
jumpstart back into the society,

00:49:11.630 --> 00:49:16.310
people getting housed and getting
jobs. It's not easy being homeless.

00:49:16.590 --> 00:49:19.070
It's a 24 hour job day, day job.

00:49:19.830 --> 00:49:22.030
Being homeless ain't a joke. We
didn't all ask to be homeless.

00:49:22.350 --> 00:49:24.090
We're not all druggies.
We're not all strung out.

00:49:24.650 --> 00:49:26.530
There's a lot of people out there with
mental health problems and none of you

00:49:26.550 --> 00:49:27.770
guys, none of you, none of this city.

00:49:28.090 --> 00:49:29.850
You guys aren't helping them
like you're supposed to. So yeah,

00:49:30.010 --> 00:49:31.150
you're just taking him to jail,

00:49:31.250 --> 00:49:34.130
put him in jail or put him into some
mental place. What kids are going to do?

00:49:34.190 --> 00:49:36.710
Get them help. Just throwing them
someplace. Isn't he helping them?

00:49:38.030 --> 00:49:41.730
What about us? We're human
too. We are human too.

00:49:42.200 --> 00:49:46.310
They can write with us. They could
write with it. We're count resolution.

00:49:46.550 --> 00:49:47.610
We're not going nowhere.

00:49:48.130 --> 00:49:52.110
Housing to us is an opportunity.
Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

00:49:52.550 --> 00:49:53.890
To do something with ourselves,

00:49:54.470 --> 00:49:59.350
to show that we could get act productive
members of the community for real.

00:49:59.470 --> 00:50:00.303
You know what I mean?

00:50:00.410 --> 00:50:02.650
Because we're already doing that
within the homeless community.

00:50:04.720 --> 00:50:07.650
We're not the only people that
are benefiting from being there.

00:50:08.590 --> 00:50:12.370
The people outside that gate come
for food. Yes. Sometimes shelter,

00:50:12.610 --> 00:50:15.570
because it didn't matter if none
of us dealt with each other, right?

00:50:15.790 --> 00:50:17.930
We all know somebody else that's homeless.

00:50:19.190 --> 00:50:21.790
And we all help somebody
else that's homeless.

00:50:22.990 --> 00:50:26.770
Camp resolution is about the
homeless, not just camp resolution.

00:50:27.310 --> 00:50:29.310
Though. Just because I
have this homeless title,

00:50:29.950 --> 00:50:33.470
it keeps me under the line
of any kind of advancements.

00:50:35.450 --> 00:50:37.970
And it's messed up because
it's just with no address,

00:50:38.050 --> 00:50:40.890
you get treated so differently.

00:50:41.330 --> 00:50:45.680
They keep you in this box and it's like
there's no way you could get out of it.

00:50:46.270 --> 00:50:50.350
How are we supposed to be
able to do something for
ourselves if y'all keep us in

00:50:50.370 --> 00:50:54.190
this box? A little bit of housing or

00:50:55.990 --> 00:51:00.570
some efforts that shows that
they're actually really trying to

00:51:01.290 --> 00:51:05.570
help us with some housing and go a
long way. If they're not making money,

00:51:05.870 --> 00:51:07.040
they don't want to do nothing for you.

00:51:15.890 --> 00:51:18.870
I think service resistance
is clearly a myth.

00:51:19.950 --> 00:51:23.650
I've never spoken to an unhoused community
member who wasn't willing to accept

00:51:24.410 --> 00:51:28.210
some form of service so long as
it was what they were looking for.

00:51:28.730 --> 00:51:33.270
If you are asking someone to participate
in a service that will help them

00:51:33.810 --> 00:51:36.590
and that they are open to,
they are not service resistant.

00:51:36.970 --> 00:51:39.950
You need to have a variety
of services to offer people.

00:51:40.190 --> 00:51:43.850
The service resistance myth comes from
the fact that we only have a limited

00:51:43.890 --> 00:51:46.770
number of things to offer
a wide variety of people.

00:51:47.630 --> 00:51:50.650
The status quo approach to addressing
homelessness throughout much of our

00:51:50.690 --> 00:51:54.910
country has been to try to lead with
solving the issues that led to a person's

00:51:54.950 --> 00:51:55.783
homelessness.

00:51:55.850 --> 00:51:59.110
What has been much more
effective in communities all
across the United States is

00:51:59.130 --> 00:52:03.490
to actually lead with housing first. So
the idea is you help someone get inside,

00:52:03.770 --> 00:52:04.930
you help them stabilize,

00:52:04.990 --> 00:52:08.170
and then you wrap them in supportive
services so that they can be more

00:52:08.230 --> 00:52:09.063
successful.

00:52:09.390 --> 00:52:14.290
The issue we have is that it's not
that there's any question that Housing

00:52:14.330 --> 00:52:17.130
First is a way to go. People
have tried that head to head.

00:52:17.210 --> 00:52:19.830
The housing outcomes and housing
first studies are usually show,

00:52:20.490 --> 00:52:21.323
depending on the study,

00:52:21.330 --> 00:52:25.930
between 85 and 90% of people
are successfully housed,

00:52:26.340 --> 00:52:29.420
even if they're people with lots and lots
and lots of behavioral health problems

00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:33.020
compared to like 20 to
30% in the other models,

00:52:33.200 --> 00:52:35.320
a huge difference slammed on.

00:52:35.820 --> 00:52:40.080
One of the things that I like to say is
that there is no medicine as powerful as

00:52:40.180 --> 00:52:41.013
housing.

00:52:41.300 --> 00:52:42.133
You and your partner,

00:52:43.380 --> 00:52:45.260
what made you guys want to come
to the plant presidentship.

00:52:45.640 --> 00:52:47.560
Then? When you go up to, you're homeless.

00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:51.700
Neither one of us have the credit rating.

00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:54.610
We've had a couple of people
come up in here and say, "Okay,

00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:58.610
we're going to sign you up and help you
out and this and we'll get with you.

00:52:59.140 --> 00:53:04.140
We'll be back next week." We call
and- Never hear from them again.

00:53:04.200 --> 00:53:06.240
Never heard from again a couple times.

00:53:07.420 --> 00:53:09.800
Wow.What we really wanted
just to be talented.

00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:15.000
Her and I both have money coming in
now. We get about almost $2,000 a month.

00:53:16.700 --> 00:53:20.240
But we can't find it. Anything. Any
housing that will let us come in

00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:26.540
and have that place to live. We've tried.

00:53:29.020 --> 00:53:29.960
As an outreach worker,

00:53:30.460 --> 00:53:34.680
you're trying to rebuild people's
faith in the community around them.

00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:39.090
They have tried to sign up
for benefits and failed.

00:53:39.220 --> 00:53:42.480
They maybe were evicted
because of a rent increase.

00:53:42.780 --> 00:53:47.020
There's a whole host of things that have
failed them and led them to experience

00:53:47.060 --> 00:53:48.180
unsheltered homelessness.

00:53:48.740 --> 00:53:52.200
Not only do you have to build a personal
rapport with that individual where you

00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:56.090
build trust that you will do what
you tell them you're going to,

00:53:56.560 --> 00:54:01.380
but you also have to completely
rebuild their trust in systems

00:54:01.500 --> 00:54:02.333
as a whole.

00:54:02.640 --> 00:54:07.100
They have to turn over the
management of their life to

00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:11.300
community-based organizations that
right now they don't know. And

00:54:12.980 --> 00:54:14.340
it's a hard thing to put together.

00:54:15.100 --> 00:54:16.220
And all the media and stuff,

00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:21.020
they got saying that the homeless are bad.

00:54:21.680 --> 00:54:22.500
They're all on drugs.

00:54:22.500 --> 00:54:27.060
They're all choosing to deny

00:54:27.140 --> 00:54:30.360
services and everything like that,
and that's not the case at all.

00:54:31.060 --> 00:54:33.880
People have been out here
for 20 plus, 30 plus years,

00:54:34.260 --> 00:54:38.120
and they've been out here for so
long. They get tired of waiting.

00:54:38.600 --> 00:54:41.640
They get tired of being lied to, get
tired of being put on the back burner,

00:54:41.700 --> 00:54:44.580
discriminated against. And
so they quit. They give up.

00:54:46.100 --> 00:54:48.920
So for people that's denying services,
a lot of times that's the case.

00:54:49.600 --> 00:54:53.400
All these city ran programs, they want
to search you every time you show up.

00:54:54.620 --> 00:54:58.360
You can't have any kind of visitors.
You have curfews and stuff.

00:54:58.420 --> 00:55:01.300
We're all grown individuals.
We can't handle ourselves.

00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:02.520
We know what we need to do in a day.

00:55:02.940 --> 00:55:06.640
Being treated like a child in your place
of residence where you're supposed to

00:55:06.660 --> 00:55:08.420
be comfortable, that's
just out of the question.

00:55:09.020 --> 00:55:12.420
You're right to complain that people
are on the streets. It isn't right.

00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:17.360
It isn't safe. It isn't healthy. And
at the same time, you then can't say,

00:55:17.520 --> 00:55:17.900
"Well,

00:55:17.900 --> 00:55:22.600
we don't want a well-run 50
or a hundred bed tiny home

00:55:22.640 --> 00:55:27.320
village or shelter or
healthcare facility in our

00:55:27.600 --> 00:55:30.020
neighborhood." The two don't go together.

00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:33.940
When I talk to people and I've talked to
people in countless communities across

00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:34.793
the country,

00:55:35.040 --> 00:55:38.480
it's almost always these experiences
with people that have significant mental

00:55:38.540 --> 00:55:41.460
health issues, significant
drug and alcohol issues,

00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:44.840
or other health conditions that
make them, and they actually are,

00:55:44.980 --> 00:55:46.460
extremely vulnerable.

00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:50.220
The reality is that that's actually
a very small percentage of people

00:55:50.260 --> 00:55:51.280
experiencing homelessness.

00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:55.680
So people experiencing what's called
long-term chronic homelessness on average

00:55:55.700 --> 00:55:58.680
are only about 30% of the
overall homeless community.

00:55:59.140 --> 00:56:01.600
And so this idea that everyone
experiencing homelessness,

00:56:01.660 --> 00:56:05.180
that's because of alcohol issues,
drug issues, behavioral health issues.

00:56:05.600 --> 00:56:06.760
It's just not true,

00:56:07.220 --> 00:56:12.100
but it does resonate with the emotional
experience of how we see homelessness on

00:56:12.120 --> 00:56:12.953
the street.

00:56:13.640 --> 00:56:15.200
Oftentimes people will ask,

00:56:15.700 --> 00:56:18.720
do individuals that are unhoused,

00:56:19.100 --> 00:56:23.140
they just need job training or they
need job skills, they need to work.

00:56:23.460 --> 00:56:27.260
And of course, a huge portion of
individuals who are unhoused are working.

00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:31.900
They are working at wages that are
not going to be able to make rent

00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:34.560
affordable. So that's one
thing that's very interesting.

00:56:34.780 --> 00:56:39.400
The other thing is that that question
is so ableist because a lot of folks out

00:56:39.420 --> 00:56:42.880
there are disabled and receive a check
from the government because they're

00:56:42.900 --> 00:56:44.680
disabled that says they cannot work.

00:56:45.160 --> 00:56:49.920
And then that amount that they receive
still means that they can't afford rent.

00:56:50.520 --> 00:56:54.060
So you have multiple layers to
that question. Number one, yes,

00:56:54.160 --> 00:56:56.540
people are working who
can work. Number two,

00:56:56.760 --> 00:57:00.260
there are seniors and disabled individuals
out there who cannot work even if

00:57:00.300 --> 00:57:01.133
they wanted to,

00:57:01.860 --> 00:57:06.380
have been declared disabled and cannot
afford to live or rent on their small

00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:08.180
disability check each month.

00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:13.160
Whether you're disabled or not, they
don't care because you're nothing.

00:57:13.220 --> 00:57:16.680
Get a job. That's what they tell you.
If I could get a job, I would have.

00:57:18.740 --> 00:57:23.260
I liked working. They don't
understand that. We were you too.

00:57:23.340 --> 00:57:24.360
We worked, we did all that.

00:57:24.720 --> 00:57:29.120
I went to college here when the consumers
were in college for three years trying

00:57:29.140 --> 00:57:32.520
to be a vet tech, but they don't care.

00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:34.500
They don't treat you like people out here.

00:57:36.620 --> 00:57:40.200
When I had got my first
job at Hertz Rental,

00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:44.000
because I was stressed out,

00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:48.800
it was like the last day before
I had to go into my interview and

00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:55.100
I needed a haircut, I needed clothes,
I needed shoes, I needed all the stuff.

00:57:56.060 --> 00:58:00.620
And everybody here scrambled
together and I killed it.

00:58:01.660 --> 00:58:04.160
And they loved me and
they hired me that day.

00:58:04.780 --> 00:58:08.400
And I came back and told everybody
as soon as I walk through the gates,

00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:10.480
they was like, "Well, how
did it go? How did it go?

00:58:10.490 --> 00:58:12.420
" They were just waiting
on me to come home. And

00:58:14.200 --> 00:58:19.180
I told them I got it and everybody
just cheered and was happy and they

00:58:19.240 --> 00:58:22.560
helped me make sure I
made this work every day.

00:58:23.380 --> 00:58:25.000
And that was beautiful for me.

00:58:41.940 --> 00:58:46.560
You got this notice yesterday from
the Department of Community Response,

00:58:46.660 --> 00:58:48.520
and it's partly a notice to vacate.

00:58:48.940 --> 00:58:52.320
They're basically saying
by 12:00 AM on August 26th,

00:58:53.100 --> 00:58:54.880
it is a violation for people to be here.

00:58:55.120 --> 00:58:57.980
And they list the penal codes
and the different violations.

00:58:58.520 --> 00:58:59.480
And I thought was interesting,

00:58:59.540 --> 00:59:03.560
they say part of the lease agreement
is that we offer permanent supportive

00:59:03.580 --> 00:59:04.413
housing,

00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:08.740
but it's either you have a choice of
either the Outreach Engagement Center or

00:59:08.780 --> 00:59:12.180
the city's Roseville Road campus.
So what do you think about,

00:59:12.240 --> 00:59:14.100
what's your response to this offer?

00:59:15.220 --> 00:59:17.080
That's not what they promised us. Yeah.

00:59:17.180 --> 00:59:19.860
I don't care if the lease is over
or not. They promised us housing.

00:59:20.340 --> 00:59:25.160
This is his attempt to shove us
in a hole and keep us down because

00:59:25.620 --> 00:59:28.000
the circumstances are much worse at
Reserville Road than they are here.

00:59:28.980 --> 00:59:32.280
That's jail to me. If they
come and take the trailer back,

00:59:32.640 --> 00:59:35.200
we're on the street because
we don't even have a tent.

00:59:36.600 --> 00:59:38.700
We're in the same boat as
supposed to be people out here.

00:59:38.780 --> 00:59:39.613
We don't have a place to go.

00:59:40.100 --> 00:59:44.180
But Cal Resolution closes not for
myself, but the rest of us residents,

00:59:44.260 --> 00:59:48.960
which is 52 of us here, we don't have
nowhere. We won't have nowhere to go.

00:59:49.740 --> 00:59:53.020
We'll be right out there with the
rest of the unhoused people sweat,

00:59:53.300 --> 00:59:57.340
losing things, watching them all parked
up. But that's just it right now.

00:59:57.400 --> 00:59:59.420
We don't have no options.

01:00:01.240 --> 01:00:03.640
So the week before the
camp was set to close,

01:00:03.720 --> 01:00:08.360
Sharon invited me to one last dinner
at the camp, the last community event,

01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:10.240
last community dinner that
they were going to have.

01:00:10.340 --> 01:00:12.520
And even though they didn't
use the word the last supper,

01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:16.420
it very much felt like the last supper,
the way that they set up the tables.

01:00:17.460 --> 01:00:20.180
People giving speeches
about the coming end.

01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:24.060
And some people were getting already
prepared to leave. They were packing.

01:00:24.740 --> 01:00:28.480
Other folks were talking about next steps
about how they could fight and resist

01:00:28.520 --> 01:00:33.360
the city and what would
happen on the morning of the

01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:38.320
sweep if it was going to
come. But overall, it was a
real mixed bag of feelings,

01:00:38.380 --> 01:00:39.213
I would say.

01:00:47.680 --> 01:00:50.900
We're not giving up yet. We
still got eight and a half days.

01:00:53.380 --> 01:00:57.680
And we're doing something that
is proactive every day. So

01:01:00.220 --> 01:01:05.080
I'm really hoping for a last
minute fucking Hail Mary and

01:01:05.180 --> 01:01:09.820
something's going to work. As of now,

01:01:10.140 --> 01:01:11.300
the city wants to tear it down.

01:01:13.740 --> 01:01:15.920
We did pretty much everything
that they wanted us to do.

01:01:16.240 --> 01:01:19.000
And I don't understand why,

01:01:19.580 --> 01:01:23.600
if it's not costing them
any money and it working,

01:01:24.620 --> 01:01:28.380
why are they going to mess with it? To me,

01:01:28.500 --> 01:01:31.740
I'm going to feel embarrassed
that I didn't succeed in this.

01:01:34.860 --> 01:01:39.280
Maybe not embarrassed,
but I have put everything.

01:01:40.040 --> 01:01:43.520
I have into this for almost
two years, me and my wife have.

01:01:46.200 --> 01:01:51.180
I'm going to sacrifice everything
for the camp and for them to shut

01:01:51.220 --> 01:01:53.940
it down, it's just unreal to me.

01:02:12.380 --> 01:02:16.840
We did. And we have accomplished a lot
and the city will never give us credit

01:02:17.820 --> 01:02:19.120
for everything we accomplished.

01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:27.640
16 people have houses themselves
out of there without the city.

01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:31.280
As a camp, we've had our differences,

01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:34.480
but when we really needed to
come together, we all did.

01:02:35.260 --> 01:02:36.420
And I'm proud of them for that.

01:02:45.780 --> 01:02:49.480
Not only is this a place of
beautiful people. I mean, what it is,

01:02:49.540 --> 01:02:51.300
is it's a place that
gives everybody stability.

01:02:53.480 --> 01:02:58.240
I've gotten to have so many conversations
and so many moments with folks

01:02:59.220 --> 01:03:00.500
just because they got to stay still.

01:03:02.580 --> 01:03:07.080
They got to have a place to
be, to exist, to process,

01:03:07.160 --> 01:03:11.280
to live. It's a place for community
of all kinds to come together,

01:03:12.060 --> 01:03:14.900
to learn about it. Yeah,

01:03:16.540 --> 01:03:19.400
it's so important, and it was
such an honor to be a part of it.

01:03:21.660 --> 01:03:25.740
The energy at the camp was
really chaotic before the sweep.

01:03:26.980 --> 01:03:31.320
People were somewhat in a disarray in
terms of their preparation for what was

01:03:31.360 --> 01:03:32.193
coming next.

01:03:32.420 --> 01:03:34.920
Folks were debating whether to give
their pets to Front Street Shelter.

01:03:35.220 --> 01:03:38.320
Pets were almost like family that
offered companionship, mental health,

01:03:38.420 --> 01:03:41.740
and even security. You could tell
that emotions were running high.

01:03:42.120 --> 01:03:43.960
People were frustrated,
people were scared.

01:03:44.660 --> 01:03:49.340
And it was sad to see this strong
community begin to disintegrate.

01:03:49.860 --> 01:03:53.880
You could tell it was very, very
tense right before the sweeps.

01:04:25.600 --> 01:04:26.800
Listen, listen.

01:04:48.680 --> 01:04:53.280
The day of the sweep was
really sad and traumatic,

01:04:53.600 --> 01:04:54.680
to be honest with you.

01:04:55.720 --> 01:05:00.160
And it was difficult to see my
city mobilize a large police force

01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:05.840
to essentially destroy this community
that these mostly disabled women had

01:05:05.900 --> 01:05:06.840
created for themselves.

01:05:12.340 --> 01:05:14.820
We wanted right now.

01:05:16.120 --> 01:05:19.160
It felt like a disaster,

01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:24.620
an earthquake, a life
changing thing happening.

01:05:25.060 --> 01:05:27.600
Somebody's worst day
happening in front of you.

01:05:29.900 --> 01:05:34.260
I've witnessed evictions before.
I've witnessed camp sweeps before.

01:05:34.900 --> 01:05:38.400
I've never witnessed
anything like this before.

01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:42.820
I'm sorry? We're dying.

01:05:43.060 --> 01:05:43.893
Out here.

01:05:45.380 --> 01:05:46.800
And so is.

01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:47.780
Everybody fucking ill.

01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:52.660
Nothing legally is going to change the
situation of a fact is that we're being

01:05:52.740 --> 01:05:56.000
discriminating and being oppressed.
I have nowhere else to fucking go.

01:05:56.780 --> 01:05:57.800
And you're going to push the media away.

01:06:00.140 --> 01:06:00.740
And we're allowed.

01:06:00.740 --> 01:06:04.240
We have a penal code that allows us in
front of the police line and lets it

01:06:04.380 --> 01:06:07.200
seriously is a danger.
This doesn't seem like.

01:06:07.700 --> 01:06:08.533
Danger right now.

01:06:14.240 --> 01:06:14.520
How.

01:06:14.520 --> 01:06:17.200
Are you doing this morning? I'm fine.
We're going to cap resolution for.

01:06:17.340 --> 01:06:18.173
What?

01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:19.380
Some unhoused people.

01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:20.673
Really?

01:06:23.080 --> 01:06:25.720
Just don't forget all y'all
law enforcements out here.

01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:28.240
Y'all just want to pay check
away from being homeless.

01:06:28.320 --> 01:06:29.153
Too.

01:06:51.900 --> 01:06:55.040
I'm here to try to save the camp.

01:06:56.120 --> 01:07:00.840
I want to save the camp.
That's all. My bag.

01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:08.680
I am a human being. I can't
live without my oxygen.

01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:12.560
I'm so tired of this. I'm so
tired feeling like garbage.

01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:17.140
It was awful to see this
disintegration of a community.

01:07:17.580 --> 01:07:22.320
It was awful to see people lose their
belongings and not know where they were

01:07:22.340 --> 01:07:26.300
going. I know people were scared.
I know people were devastated.

01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:35.800
It is a difficult reality to look at.
It's a difficult reality to deal with,

01:07:36.080 --> 01:07:37.480
and there's a discomfort in that.

01:07:38.360 --> 01:07:41.040
But I don't think we should
look away from that discomfort,

01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:44.320
but really explore why it
makes us feel uncomfortable.

01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:49.560
This incidental criminalization that
happens to people who are living in the

01:07:49.600 --> 01:07:53.320
margins is a real thing that is
happening every day in our city.

01:07:54.200 --> 01:07:58.440
And while there were cameras and
media there to document that,

01:07:59.080 --> 01:08:04.000
that sort of stuff happens every
day somewhere in our city or in our

01:08:04.080 --> 01:08:06.960
county. I think that as a society,

01:08:07.200 --> 01:08:10.720
we have to be willing to look
at those uncomfortable things.

01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:14.760
And I think it's important that we see
that because these are the consequences

01:08:14.840 --> 01:08:18.040
of our policies, of the people
that we elect into office.

01:08:18.800 --> 01:08:21.920
Those are decisions that we're making,
whether we are aware of them or not,

01:08:22.800 --> 01:08:25.480
to displace people, to
destroy their homes.

01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:49.560
A lot has happened since camp
closed. Everyone is in survival mode.

01:08:50.160 --> 01:08:55.080
They're sweeping everybody constantly,
continuously. For like a week after camp,

01:08:55.480 --> 01:08:58.080
anywhere we would go, they would
come in immediately and sweeping us.

01:08:58.160 --> 01:09:01.640
They swept back here almost
like 10 times in four days,

01:09:02.520 --> 01:09:05.560
multiple times a day. I don't
see no solutions being made.

01:09:06.480 --> 01:09:08.200
They closed camp with no solution.

01:09:09.280 --> 01:09:14.120
What was the difference besides
you making people leave their

01:09:14.200 --> 01:09:15.520
dogs, lose their things?

01:09:16.360 --> 01:09:19.320
Everyone at Camper Resolution
lost everything that day.

01:09:20.160 --> 01:09:23.720
The closure of Camp Res as well as just
all of the sweeping that's happening

01:09:23.720 --> 01:09:26.050
right now is reverberating
in the community.

01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:29.310
And a lot of people are afraid and scared.

01:09:30.350 --> 01:09:33.150
They're trying to figure
out where they can camp,

01:09:33.270 --> 01:09:36.830
where they're going to be safe.
They're running scared and afraid,

01:09:36.910 --> 01:09:40.020
and it's probably reduced the likelihood
that they'll engage in care and

01:09:40.060 --> 01:09:42.770
services because it's fractured the trust.

01:09:43.290 --> 01:09:47.950
We need more camp resolutions
because we don't have a solution to

01:09:48.020 --> 01:09:50.750
homelessness. We can't solve it right now.

01:09:51.430 --> 01:09:54.970
And camp resolutions are the
best harm reduction model.

01:09:55.150 --> 01:09:59.710
They offer an experience for the
individual to have more choice in agency

01:10:00.330 --> 01:10:03.410
and have less harm created
through homelessness,

01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:07.230
and they offer harm reduction
for the public, for community.

01:10:07.890 --> 01:10:12.210
And so it's an ideal approach when
you're looking at the fact that we really

01:10:12.410 --> 01:10:15.010
don't have affordable housing
for everybody who needs it.

01:10:16.810 --> 01:10:21.310
Every single person that came
here elevated in some sort of way,

01:10:21.850 --> 01:10:26.630
whether it was doing something positive,
getting a job, going back to school,

01:10:27.210 --> 01:10:31.470
even if it was small as keeping your
space cleaner than you did originally

01:10:31.510 --> 01:10:35.690
before you came through
those gates, that's a change.

01:10:35.750 --> 01:10:40.650
That shows growth. That shows that if
you give somebody something to stand on,

01:10:41.150 --> 01:10:46.030
that they can do something different.
We did all that off of community, love,

01:10:46.810 --> 01:10:49.610
togetherness, hard work.

01:10:50.250 --> 01:10:54.110
We came up with a solution for
real and was helping the problem,

01:10:54.210 --> 01:10:56.830
not just the people that live there,
but the people outside of that gate.

01:10:57.510 --> 01:10:59.410
Why y'all still doing the
same shit that don't work?

01:11:00.330 --> 01:11:01.670
So who was the real failure?

01:11:01.970 --> 01:11:05.810
In Sacramento, what gives me hope is
that there are a lot of people that care.

01:11:06.330 --> 01:11:10.350
I see people coming to city council
meetings. They want to get involved.

01:11:10.450 --> 01:11:13.730
They want to help their fellow
humans. And working with the city,

01:11:13.830 --> 01:11:18.710
we held contracts with multiple nonprofits
in the Sacramento area and every

01:11:18.810 --> 01:11:22.470
single one of those employees is there
because they want to help people.

01:11:22.810 --> 01:11:26.890
There is an avenue towards
success. We just need to,

01:11:27.530 --> 01:11:32.050
my opinion is get the enforcement and
government out of the way and allow

01:11:32.650 --> 01:11:36.120
people who care to do
the work and not try to

01:11:37.570 --> 01:11:41.930
spend our way out of it, but rather try
to think and care our way out of it.

01:11:43.250 --> 01:11:45.810
The city calls Camp Resolution
a failed experiment,

01:11:46.330 --> 01:11:50.330
but I think that's really
unfair and misses, I think,

01:11:50.390 --> 01:11:53.190
the potential for what the model was.

01:11:53.810 --> 01:11:55.770
For a certain time and place,

01:11:56.830 --> 01:11:59.470
the camp accomplished
something that was incredible.

01:11:59.930 --> 01:12:03.310
It provided a safe place for
people to form a community,

01:12:03.710 --> 01:12:05.790
to start their journey towards recovery.

01:12:06.530 --> 01:12:09.810
It provided a point for the community
to come in and provide resources.

01:12:10.730 --> 01:12:12.950
And so for a while, I
think it was a success.

01:12:13.810 --> 01:12:17.930
One of the things that I found inspiring
throughout my experiences with Camp

01:12:17.990 --> 01:12:21.150
Resolution is seeing people
who don't have a lot,

01:12:21.850 --> 01:12:23.990
helping other people who
also don't have a lot.

01:12:24.870 --> 01:12:29.290
And it became known in Sacramento
as a safe haven for folks.

01:12:29.350 --> 01:12:33.090
We did need 21 more camp resolutions.

01:12:33.950 --> 01:12:38.910
I think calling it failed experiment
is incredibly demeaning to

01:12:39.730 --> 01:12:42.270
the reality that these people
actually experience for a time.

01:12:43.410 --> 01:12:48.310
I think we are going to see more
camp resolutions in the future. It

01:12:48.370 --> 01:12:52.770
shows the potential what can happen
when we engage with these communities,

01:12:52.830 --> 01:12:54.810
when we provide support
with these communities.

01:12:55.130 --> 01:12:59.870
It shows the potential of how people can
recover from homelessness once we are

01:12:59.910 --> 01:13:02.770
willing to kind of engage with
them and not just push them aside.

01:13:03.550 --> 01:13:07.050
I'm not sure we need more
programs to control people,

01:13:07.210 --> 01:13:09.990
more programs to force people into,

01:13:10.630 --> 01:13:14.650
but we do have to offer people ways out
of homelessness in which they get to

01:13:14.730 --> 01:13:17.130
define success in their own terms.

01:13:18.230 --> 01:13:21.610
And that's what was nice
about Camp Resolution. They
had institutionalized that.

01:13:22.210 --> 01:13:25.810
And for a while and for a time,
it was a great place for folks.

01:13:32.970 --> 01:13:37.290
The strength behind the women
who stood up for camp resolution,

01:13:38.190 --> 01:13:41.310
the hearts of the women that
stood up for camp resolution,

01:13:42.050 --> 01:13:46.810
the fight in the women that were
here, that's what it's all about.

01:13:47.930 --> 01:13:49.130
Be a champion of change.

01:13:49.710 --> 01:13:54.330
That's what I want for camp resolutions
to be remembered as a champion of

01:13:54.350 --> 01:13:55.183
change.

01:15:03.800 --> 01:15:07.710
I miss it. I miss the people,
all the people and whatnot.

01:15:07.850 --> 01:15:11.610
I wish it could be again, but hey,

01:15:11.970 --> 01:15:13.250
can't go back in time.

01:15:13.770 --> 01:15:17.290
Just got to keep moving
forward and keep your head up.

01:15:18.350 --> 01:15:19.530
Here's the camp resolution.

01:15:20.490 --> 01:15:25.430
I'm currently at Roseboro Road, Fresno
community. I guess project, housing,

01:15:25.510 --> 01:15:27.770
whatever, or not. My experience
here, I want to get out.

01:15:28.330 --> 01:15:30.080
I don't want to be here no more.
I've been here long enough.

01:15:33.570 --> 01:15:36.240
It's jail. It's jail.

01:15:37.050 --> 01:15:41.070
We have a place to stay, but
we were blessed to be here.

01:15:41.390 --> 01:15:44.910
We didn't know where we were going
when we left camp. People have died.

01:15:46.390 --> 01:15:51.070
That weighs heavy up my heart because
we brought those people together.

01:15:52.690 --> 01:15:57.550
I tried.hat's all I have to
say. I tried. Sharon tried.

01:15:59.170 --> 01:16:04.150
There was people in there that tried.
Sean tried. The ones that tried,

01:16:04.590 --> 01:16:05.423
they shouldn't.

01:16:07.590 --> 01:16:10.510
You know that you've done everything you
can possibly and you know that you've

01:16:10.530 --> 01:16:11.363
done it all.

01:16:11.550 --> 01:16:13.870
And I feel at times like
we let everybody down,

01:16:13.950 --> 01:16:16.930
but we did what we could.

01:16:21.120 --> 01:16:23.590
I miss everybody. We were one.

01:16:27.090 --> 01:16:27.330
Yeah.