Silence Is Gold
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What are the limits to freedom of speech? Can we put a price on our spoken and written words?
Following the 2008 release of the book Noir Canada, author Alain Deneault, his co-writers and his publisher, Éditions Écosociété, grappled with these questions -- at great personal expense -- after being sued for defamation in Quebec and Ontario courts by two large Canadian mining companies. Deneault and his publisher fought back, becoming entangled in a seemingly never-ending spiral of judicial proceedings.
Silence Is Gold is a political and legal thriller of a documentary that unfolds behind the scenes of the Canadian justice system. Without judging or wading into the merits of the cases, filmmaker Julien Fréchette leads us through the twists and turns of the pre-trial legal proceedings, as we eagerly anticipate a resolution that is continually delayed
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Main credits
Fréchette, Julien (film director)
Fréchette, Julien (screenwriter)
Chartier, Jean-Simon (film producer)
Loumède, Colette (film producer)
Deneault, Alain (participant)
Other credits
Director of photography, Étienne Boilard; editor, Andrea Henriquez; original music, Dany Nicolas, Zoé Dumais.
Distributor subjects
Law and Crime; Mining; Media and Communication; Mineral industries; Trials (Libel)Keywords
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- I\'d like to start by saying,
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- um, that Barrick\'s lawsuit
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Publishers of Noir Canada is not
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A SLAPP suit. It is about a book
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- that is defamatory, pure and
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Simple. Barrick believes that
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- acknowledge that their claims
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- are absolutely without
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- foundation, and that\'s in
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A court of law. When Barrick
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- told the authors prior to
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Publication that they had their
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Facts totally wrong, they rushed
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- to publish the book anyways,
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Rather than to make any inquiry
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As to where they might have gone
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Astray. Now to hear them
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Complain that these are abusive
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Proceedings is absurd. It could
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- have all been avoided with
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- a single telephone call or an
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- email to Barrick, as any
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Responsible author or publisher
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- would have done.
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- The allegations that have been
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Made about Barrick are as nasty
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Can imagine. For example, the
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- book asserts that Barrick is
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- responsible for genocide,
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- murder, arms dealing,
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- corruption, and a variety of
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- other abominable crimes in
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- countries that, for all
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Practical purposes, we were not
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- even doing business in at the
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- time treated in the book.
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- I mentioned that Amnesty
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lnternational made an allegation
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That a company where George Bush
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Served as a paid advisor...
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- once served as a paid advisor,
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George Bush Sr.... had been
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Accused of burying alive miners
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ln Tanzania. What happened was
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- is that there was a Canadian
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- company, Sutton, which owned
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- this mine at Bulyanhulu
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- in Tanzania.
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- But there were already people
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Mining the place. In August of
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- 1996, to clear the property,
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- they ran bulldozers over the
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- property, smashed down all the
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Homes, des... you know, crushed
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- the tools and houses of the
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- workers, and filled in their
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- mining pits.
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I think I read... 50,000 pages
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Of material. I think I talked
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To a hundred people. I mean,
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- I would have loved to talk to
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Barrick. They wouldn\'t talk
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- to me.
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- The reason why Barrick has
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- billions of dollars of gold in
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Tanzania is that they bought up
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- this company which had cleared
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This field. I didn\'t say that
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They owned the mine at the time.
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I was happy... They didn\'t;
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- another Canadian company did.
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- That doesn\'t, by the way, let
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- Canadians off the hook \'cause
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- the other company was bought
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Out. That\'s crazy.
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- And remember, Bulyanhulu was
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- paid for by the people of
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Canada. The people of Canada
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Lent their money to Barrick Gold
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- Mining to buy this and develop
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This property. And also, since
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- this is money from Canada and
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- money from the World Bank, the
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Rules of the World Bank are that
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- no one should be allowed to
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- profit using World Bank funds
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- off a site that\'s been cleared
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- through violence.
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- In the United States, there is
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A First-Amendment freedom of the
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Press. If they sued here, it
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Would be tough going. Britain,
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Canada, have these horrid libel
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Laws. You can\'t win. You\'re
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- guilty until proven innocent.
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- They\'ll ruin you just from the
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- legal costs.
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- So you feel safer being in the
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- States as a journalist?
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- I published this book, which
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- included the story of the mine
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Deaths, and the allegations, and
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- the information and evidence,
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Here. I could not publish
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- this book in Canada.
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- Sutton...
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- There is no one who has a lock
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On the truth here. You know, I\'m
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A reporter. I\'m not a crusader.
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You know? There could be some
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- reality to what they say, or
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They could be completely right.
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- So, I don\'t have any evidence
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- that somehow Sutton ordered
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- these killings, so I was happy
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To say, \"That\'s not true\". They
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Didn\'t order killings. But to
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Say that there were no killings,
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- that\'s a very different thing.
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- Well, this is the story that
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We wrote 10 years ago. This was
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- published by the Varsity
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And the Atkinsonian.The
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That I was editing at York
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University. It\'s no
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Longer published.
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- But you can find it online,
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- can you?
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- You can find this story
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Online, yeah. I believe the
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Mining Watch Canada website has
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lt online as a PDF. You can
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- download it there.
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- Then March of 2002,
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- I went to Africa to meet
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- with the people who are
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- making these allegations,
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- and we were met by police and
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- soldiers at our hotel who had
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lnformed us that the government
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Would like us to go back to Dar
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Es Salaam immediately and leave
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The country. And they didn\'t
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- threaten us, you know, other
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- than their presence being
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- a little bit, you know,
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- intimidating for people who
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Aren\'t used to the sight of, you
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Know, soldiers telling you where
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To go and what to do. So, we had
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About 12 hours to meet with and
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- interview the artisanal miners
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Who could get to the hotel where
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We were staying, just outside of
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- Geita, which is a mining town.
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People told us their story. We
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Wrote it down, we videotaped it,
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- we audiotaped it.
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- So, this is John Mutemankamba.
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He\'s the secretary to the small-
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Scale miners association. And
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This is Julius Kachwele. He lost
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His house, his mining pits, and
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He claims to have removed a body
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- from one of the pits.
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This is Melanaia Baesi. She
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- claims that both of her sons
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- were killed in the evictions.
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- The real scandal of this story
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- isn\'t whether or not 52 people
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Were buried alive. That\'s not...
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Unfortunately... that\'s not
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- anything that we can either
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Prove or disprove. The real
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- scandal is that the Canadian
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- government and the Tanzanian
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Government evicted thousands of
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People from their land, and has
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- decided to give away,
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- essentially, for a very small
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Royalty fee, gold resources that
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Are worth billions and billions
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- were allowed to be managed by
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The Tanzanian people themselves,
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- could become the basis for an
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And potentially an independently
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Managed political system. And
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- that\'s something that our
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- government just doesn\'t want
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- to see.
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We interviewed Barrick\'s lawyers
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And we were given access to all
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Well. They spent hours talking
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- to us and giving us their side
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- of the story, and we certainly
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Represented what they had to say
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ln our story as well. And we
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Were very careful. You know, we
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- didn\'t want to be sued, and we
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Didn\'t want to also print things
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That weren\'t truth. So, in the
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- interest of both of those two
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Aspects, you know, we consulted
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- with lawyers about our story,
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- and we didn\'t publish things
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- that we couldn\'t stand behind.
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(interviewer and Alain
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Speaking over the phone)
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- Woooo!
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- Woooo!
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- (exasperated sigh)
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♪♪♪
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- (acoustic guitar)
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- From the very severe war in
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- the area of the African Great
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Lakes that occurred between 1996
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And 2003 officially, centres on
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The control of mining and other
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- natural resources.
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- The way the war has been
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Portrayed in the Western world,
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lt\'s an ethnical war, you know,
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- that there\'s this ethnic that
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Doesn\'t get along with the other
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Ethnic... the east and the west.
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Whoever is in... Kabila or whoever
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- is in power right now is not
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- going to sign the contract in
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- favour of the population,
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Because, as you can understand,
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- those companies are the ones
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- supporting his power, so he\'s
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- going to do whatever he can to
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Please them. Mobutu, that was
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The case. That\'s why he opened
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The door. Like you say,laissez-
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-nfaire.\"Let them do whatever
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- they want, as long as they can
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Give me protection.\"
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- Do you think there\'s something
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- we can do?
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- Uh...
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- (boy): OK, I\'m gonna be back.
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Let me take the photographs.
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- This bill has received so much
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Attention, Mme. Speaker, because
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- of the increasingly negative
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- reputation of Canadian mining
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- companies operating abroad
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Who do things to people and
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Communities who... which would
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Never, ever be tolerated
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In this country.
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- I could literally take you on
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A world tour, Mme. Speaker:
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Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador,
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Honduras, Peru, Ecuador, Chile,
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- Argentina, Colombia, Papua New
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Guinea, Tanzania, Congo... all of
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- these countries have enormous
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- conflicts with Canadian
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- mining companies.
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- Well, Canada is the centre of
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- financing for mining in the
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World. The Toronto Stock
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- Exchange is the financier of
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Choice, if you will, for mining
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We are the centre of the action.
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- The aim of this bill was
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Actually quite modest. Uh, it
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Basically said that if, in fact,
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Responsibility standards, which
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Are well-known international
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- standards, that the government
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- of Canada will no longer
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- financially support you.
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- I\'m rising here today to speak
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In strong opposition
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To Bill C-300.
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ln fact, it is important to note
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That many witnesses stated that
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- this bill would jeopardize the
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Ability of Canadian corporations
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- to purchase mines from less
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Reputable operators. Frequently,
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Mme. Speaker, Canadian companies
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- will purchase mines that were
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Previously won... run... with little
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Regard to human rights, and the
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Canadian companies will correct
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- the problem.
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- What was amusing to me over
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The course of this bill was that
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- whatever regulation we have
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- is illusory.
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- Canada has an independent
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Corporate social responsibility
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- counsellor who works with NGOs
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- and companies to ensure that
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- Canada is a world leader in
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Respecting human rights abroad.
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- Then you have this corporate
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Social responsibility counsellor
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- who got appointed during the
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- middle of the process of the
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- bill, which was just political
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Coverage. She can\'t actually do
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- anything, \'cause she can\'t
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Actually start an investigation.
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You... name any... any
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Allegation, anyone you\'ve got in
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- that whole list of allegations
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You\'ve got, you phone her up and
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Ask, \"Are you going to start an
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- investigation on Company X, Y,
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Or Z? \" She\'ll say, \" Well, I have
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- to get the permission of
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- that company to start
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- the investigation\".
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- All those on my left in favour
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Of the motion will please rise.
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- (applause)
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- Mr. McKay,
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Scarborough-Guildwood.
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- (Speaker): On my left.
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- Mr. Simpson, M. Trudeau,
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Ms. Bennett, M. Coderre,
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Mr. Ray, Mr. McGuinty,
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M. Duceppe, M. Paquette,
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M. Mulcair, Mr. Layton.
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- All those opposed to the
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- motion will please rise.
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- M. Bernier, Mr. Chong,
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Mme. Verner, Mr. O\'Connor,
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Ms. Ambrose, Ms. Oda,
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Mr. Harper, Mr. Cannon...
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Pontiac, Mr. Flaherty.
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- I don\'t know how many hundreds
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- of thousands of dollars they
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- spent on lobbyists, but, you
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Know, for two weeks prior to the
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Vote, you could barely not turn
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Around without bumping into some
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Sort of mining lobbyist who was
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Bending the ear or arm of one of
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My colleagues. Um... so, uh,
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- they put a lot of effort into,
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- um, into making sure that
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This vote... this bill...
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- did not succeed.
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- (bell tolling)
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- They made it pretty abundantly
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- clear to me that, if I stepped
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- outside of parliamentary
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- privilege, that they wouldn\'t
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- hesitate to slap me with
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A lawsuit either. And you\'ll
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- note, over the course of the
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- interview, I haven\'t mentioned
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- word one about any company,
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- and that\'s intentional.
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(man and Alain speaking
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Over the phone)
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- Quebec has put in place a very
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Strong anti-SLAPP law which aims
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- to enhance the protection of
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Free expression. Then why would,
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- in a country like Canada,
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- a federation like Canada, we
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Allow some partisan, a litigant,
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- to take a case in another
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- province that would seek to
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- undermine it, where the whole
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- focal point of the case was on
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- Quebec and was on the issues
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That were part of a debate that
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- was taking place in Quebec?
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- (clicking a computer mouse)
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(interviewer and Alain
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(radio program jingle)
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- (recording):Bonjour. C\'est
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-nAlain Deneault. C\'est à vous.
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