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We didn\'t activists. Yes, that\'s right.
Yeah, so that hasn\'t changed at all.

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What has changed is coming from
the view point of being a woman.

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Old women were being segregated in so many ways.
You know, either we were a single block of issues.

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Social (inaudible) care, prescription drugs

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which are incredibly important survival
issues for all women but that\'s not

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all (inaudible) we are. You know,
we are also you know, involved

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in all issues of social
justice, personally involved.

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Which was part of the reason we actually formed
our group was to do that kind of which show up

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at the women prisoners,
protest and say hey,

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you know, we are here to represent all the old
women who are in prison and everybody went oh,

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my god it was all about that.

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Not only that but we will show up with our giant puppet so they care (inaudible) since
like (inaudible). They can\'t make us invisible anyway. (inaudible) used to be invisible.

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Absolutely.

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We call her power and that name stands for

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Pissed old woman engaged in revolution.

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That describes what we feel we\'re doing.

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You ever see Old Women\'s Project in
that puppets that comes to the rally.

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I feel it (inaudible) you know, the women
are nice and beautiful (inaudible).

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We\'ve been out to a lot of rallies right to see that big
woman puppet (inaudible) it\'s very inspiring to know that

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like 40 years from now I can (inaudible)
just as involved as I\'m today.

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Without the Old Women\'s Project, women
would be forgotten and they never

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let us forget. People tend
to forget, many old women

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are still working because of their
lives of unpaid and low paid work.

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I think that\'s one of the amazing
things about the Old Women\'s Project.

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(inaudible) acts an old woman, its funny, its
wise, its got (inaudible) it also got liberty

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that\'s exactly what the movement is.
We would as old women be at a protest

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and would be a significant factor within
this protest and you would read about it

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in the paper the next day and it
would be the young people protesting

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and we\'re infeasible and there\'re lots
of old people, women as well as men

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who are participating fully and all
of this, and we\'re never acknowledged

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that remained completely invisible
to the other protesters

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as well as to the media. And it
seemed really important to somehow

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target the fact that we\'re old

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and that was important. One of our goals is… is
clearly obviously consciousness rising around ages.

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And also to get rid of
these categorizations

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of I\'m this kind of person

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and because I\'m a good person, I will join
coalition with you and your interests

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and you will do the same for me
when I need help and instead saying

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we\'re all… we all involved
in each others issues.

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For example, there was a huge

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Home Health Care demonstration in San
Diego. We brought our puppet power

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to that demonstration in solidarity
and we also spoke there.

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Why there\'s home healthcare providers
or home healthcare recipients

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old women life depend on stopped fee,

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budget, cuts. Old women are both recipients

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of home healthcare which is everybody\'s
perception of us but we are also providers

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of home healthcares, these connections
are… are they are just all the time.

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But no body sees us as
being part of their issue.

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Childcare is an old women\'s issue. There
are old women in their 60s, 70s and older,

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who are the primary caregivers
for their children\'s children.

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Old women are performing unpaid
work in the home. (inaudible).

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It\'s just all over the place. Not only an old
women taking care of their great grandchildren

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but they\'re taking care of other old
women, they are taking care of old men.

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Homelessness is a major
issue for old women.

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There are old women, who
ride the bus every night

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to have a safe place to sleep in
(inaudible) of the old women,

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who are homeless are growing everyday. Old
men, you know, if they have social security,

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they only have social security, they generally have
more than… than women and they often have pensions

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and so for but a lot of old women you know, spend
all their lives working inside the home for no pay

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and have no social security of their
own and so (inaudible) they get

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the minimum social security won\'t even pay for a
single (inaudible) San Diego. Being old is not protect

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you from being raped, woman in their 70s,
80s. Old women are battered by spouses,

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partners, children.

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We are connecting our issues
with everybody else\'s issue.

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Last night hundreds of woman marched around the federal
building in Downtown San Diego and their message

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is support for Iraqi and American women and
against the war. Protest was organized

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by Old Women\'s Project. The
women argue the constant war

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with Iraq severely slash funding
the programs women depend

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on like healthcare, low-income
housing, and education. At one point

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during the rally enough women had gathered to
form a huge chain around the federal building.

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(inaudible) those hear that a great number of Americans
wants to stop war before it starts. This is a pivotal point

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I believe in our United States history where
people are saying before war started,

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we are the people you
need to listen to them.

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(inaudible) the very essences of
our group were able to reach out

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to other old women to come and join us.
Come down to the federal building

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and raise held out the war. And
they come and we are also making it

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desirable to be old because for example
when we invite people to our actions

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we say old women are specially
welcome or specially

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encouraged to come but… but
women of all ages are welcome.

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So we create a little bit of…

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of hierarchy there,

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a little plus to be old.

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I know, we\'ve people say to us that we are really… really rude. To call ourselves,
yeah. To call ourselves old or to call and you don\'t say that about women oh,

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that\'s just… that\'s just terrible it\'s rude.
I mean, even people who are our supporters,

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they can\'t say that word without the (inaudible)
always the older women\'s project, no one will see

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Old Women\'s Project oh… oh… okay,
and they just want to put older

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and they\'re all the time like they are insulting us to
say I mean its like a dirty (inaudible), it really is.

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It\'s also like when all
women were called ladies,

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now only old women are called ladies.

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And (inaudible) basically
it\'s the respect you get

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when you don\'t really have respect.
When you don\'t have real equality,

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you don\'t have real respect. (inaudible) like going into
a store with one of my daughters and this happens often

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and there… there will be a
young male clerk there,

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who will say well, you two must be
sisters, I find that to be so offensive

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and I usually end up getting
not very nice about it.

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I suppose it would be all right to just
ignore him, but it\'s really hard to do,

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its very offensive, it makes me feel angry.

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I got that… I got that yesterday in the grocery store
from a manager of the grocery store, who recognize me

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and said, hello, young lady
(inaudible) oh, my god.

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Or you can\'t be that old or don\'t tell me

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you are a grandmother, which
is like what do you mean,

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I could be a great grandmother. Yeah or 60 years
young. 60 years young. We become defined by

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the young person instead of being

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able to claim the age that we are. Its not
that I\'m older than this young person that\'s…

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that\'s I\'m an old woman. Well,
I\'m glad to be an old woman.

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The problem is I think all of these words.
You have to say.

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Like senior, like older
are words that are used

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to evade the… the concept of old.

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Elders and other one. Assuming just because you are old,
you are somehow wiser and I mean, I know some old people

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aren\'t so wise at all. And never were Never will be Never will be Never
will be (inaudible) and some young people were pretty (inaudible) wise.

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Then they also want to know if we can do
phone banking. When we organize something,

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we organize it ourselves. We always
ask women to come without signs

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because we work very hard
on getting our message

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well home asking exactly
what we wanted to say.

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This is the first line
that will take two women

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to carry this (inaudible)
you are so gorgeous.

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The second line would
read the Bush Brides say

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Gay or Straight we don\'t want
Bush to choose our mate.

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One of the principles for our actions
is that it has to be something that if

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we\'re the only ones there, it will
still work. And we\'ve gone hoping

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that there will be two other women who
will join us and then we ended up having

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nearly 400 show up. Okay, can you fix
the veil a little bit back there.

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Well, we are just (inaudible)
come down instead

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of being (inaudible) just
so just hang straight down.

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Its not gonna that way I feel
(inaudible) that\'s good that\'s perfect.

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So. I don\'t. I… I have a new
design for wedding dress.

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Yeah. Pockets. It\'s not the dress.

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And welcome to the revolt
of the Bush Brides.

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President Bush\'s healthy
marriage initiative

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has protesters hitting the streets as (inaudible)
explains the term \"here comes the bride\"

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it gonna whole new meaning to the streets of downtown
today. All dressed in white, bouquets in hand,

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these so called Bush brides are marking

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the president\'s Healthy Marriage Initiative. This
going to take money away from welfare programs

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and finally directly into the fake based
organizations mostly fundamentals organizations

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and to promote marriage… marriage is not

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any kind of a cure for women\'s poverty. The
White House plans to spend 1.5 Billion Dollars

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over five years to help the poorest
of Americans have healthy marriages.

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But these ladies say the idea of
keeping low-income couples, marry

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to lift them out of poverty is.

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We are trouble makers. We are trouble makers,
yeah. I think we\'re definitely more in the spirit

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of the Maggie Kuhn and the Great Panthers.

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The Great Panthers was terrific, but it wasn\'t a women\'s
organization and we feel very… very strong like that ages

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and itself that attitude
is really a women\'s issue.

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There are the two images of old woman, we\'re
either the kindly loving grandmother,

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who thinks only about other and
doesn\'t think about herself,

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all giving all loving or else
we\'re cranky and cantankerous

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and feisty and difficult.
Old men get made you know,

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heads of corporations and presidents it\'s
like they\'re power builds as they get older.

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And women lose the things that
the society values in women,

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they lose their looks. They don\'t call young
beautiful women that marry wealthy men

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as trophy wives for nothing I mean, that\'s exactly
what it is. We are really… really constantly getting

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the message that we are who nobody

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would ever choose to look at.

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Sort of horrifying. It\'s like you know,

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if they are talking about
me because you know,

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we all tend to feel the same through the
decades right and you look in the mirror

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and yeah, your face is changing and your body
is changing, but so what I mean, its still you.

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And I think at first it is
shocking and… and it\'s really hard

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to deal with all of these things, but I also
think it helps to (inaudible) about it.

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Instead of trying to do
everything you can\'t

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to make yourself still look 20
that\'s… that\'s a losing battle.

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Its never gonna happen. You gonna end
up looking like that poor cat woman

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who\'s had all of those plastic
surgeries and low looks like a cat um…

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and you need at some point
claim yourself, who you are.

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And of course women are experiencing
it at earlier and earlier age next

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Thirty five year are… are really…
really worrying about this.

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I mean, particularly now with
plastic surgery and with Botox

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and anti-aging this and
anti-aging workshops unless you

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are coming from a (inaudible)
centered place that is

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extremely demoralizing, humiliating.
One thing it\'s really… really helps be

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in part of this group is that I couldn\'t wait
to be 60. Yeah, she is the youngest one.

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Yeah, I\'m the youngest one. I had to be I
wanna be. Oh, good if I could liver older.

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Oh, do I look older that old girl.

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We\'ve a sort of (inaudible).

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We had to include in our literature
and those approaching old

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that meant Mannie. But now she is there

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so we took that phrase out. Right.

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Cynthia and I actually met

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in downtown San Diego standing on
a street corner and we\'re holding

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opposite ends of a very large
banner and never met each other

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and started talking and that was
the beginning and that was 1987,

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as there was building up to the Gulf War.
We\'re part of along with Mannie

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a group called the Women\'s
Alliance against the War.

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And I remember walking in and seeing Cynthia and Barbara who I
never met and recognizing them because I had just that week

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read an article they\'ve written it was
in MS. Magazine and had their picture

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and I was like whoa! I was really impressed and
I met Janice for the first time, then I think

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there were 15 or 16.

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Sixteen of us then. After the Gulf War, we formed our own
smaller group. Being in a group with Barbara Macdonald,

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you know it was like being in a
major ongoing consciousness rising.

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Yeah, we have to come in
pretty ages (inaudible). Yeah.

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From the beginning the message is not to become the old
women and the best way to hang on to your… to your youth

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is to keep a distance between yourself
and the old women. You don\'t uh……

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go out with old women to a movie whatever.

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You go out with your own age. It is
almost as though if you went out

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with two or three old women as a young
woman, there will be a kind of stigma

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as (inaudible). She would
illuminate the age\'s

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women every situation. And that is the
questions comes up where this ages

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have come from, at the market places very
compete. Old women don\'t buy many clothes,

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(inaudible) they, who\'s looking. Young
women wants so much enough to grow old

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so there is a real market for young women, in
clothes, in sports equipment, dye products,

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makeup, facial surgery, so
that economically we can see

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that it is profitable to have ages.
We have all of us been younger

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and been really… really
(inaudible) without knowing it.

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Oh, yeah, I think it\'s a completely distance thing, its not something
that you even concerned about until you wake up one morning

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and its holy shit, I can\'t hold, you know,

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isn\'t that true

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I was only 46 when I got with this
group so it was so abstract to me.

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It\'s become more real as
I get… as I get older.

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You know actually I understood
it but it wasn\'t happening

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to me yet you know, no… nobody
may… told me I was cute

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or you know, made this (inaudible)
and offensive comments to me that

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I was in early 40s when I first met
Barbara. So you don\'t have any idea

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until you get there yourself. And then
it starts to happen and it\'s like whoa!

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This is what she was talking about. It\'s like
people saying these incredibly inappropriate things

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to you that make you realize that you are

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being seen as really other that you are (inaudible)
irrelevant but also not even you know,

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you not… you don\'t inhabit the same world.

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For example, I had worked
on a living wage campaign

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with a young man, who is very
smart, very progressive,

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very political, and after a year,

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we meet in a restaurant and he

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and we have a nice conversation and
then as he\'s leaving, he says,

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I\'m so glad you are still up and around.

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And the shock of that
when you think you\'ve had

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a conversation with a political equal

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and suddenly you see that you did this whole…
you are just in the whole other (inaudible).

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That something different from that then
what you would say about someone who is 35

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then you\'re probably making ageist comment.

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For example, if an old women is being
sexual and you say oh, isn\'t that cute,

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that\'s really cute (inaudible).
Look at her,

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why doesn\'t she dress her age (inaudible)
how could you know look at that old woman

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in a miniskirt, I mean, (inaudible) doesn\'t she have
a clue I mean (inaudible). (inaudible) happen was,

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we (inaudible) Barbara
carried the (inaudible) ages

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and I mean, basically
while she was still here

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and once Barbara wasn\'t with
us anymore to be always

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the voice speaking out on ages
and it was like okay somebody

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is gonna take this up, who but us.
Exactly carry it on. Carry it like.

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I mean it felt like maybe she just sat on our shoulder
and yelled (inaudible) and okay its time to do this.

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Yeah, and there is something wonderful
about having these women of all ages,

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young girls all the way up to very
old women. Its gonna take more

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than three old women to turn the world
around, but we can get more old women

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and women are about to turn old
to see it not as a negative thing

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but as an exciting time something
that actually can be taken in news

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as a power instead of as a weakness, we
can turn everything around, they can.

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We feel that if people
can began see old women

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as we are and not as something
disgusting, hideous and so on,

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we actually in fact make it easier for the
woman who is 50, the woman who is 40,

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the woman who is 35. In other word,
we are that end of the… the spectrum

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and we are the person, they are becoming
and they can\'t stand to become us,

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so we claim our looks, we claim our
white hair, we claim our wrinkles.

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