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-[ Woman speaking Spanish ]

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-[ Woman speaking
foreign language ]

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-[ Man speaking
foreign language ]

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-[ Man speaking German ]
...in Deutschland.

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-Hospitals overwhelmed,

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first responders sick
in extraordinary numbers.

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-Never in anybody's imagination,
in less than a year,

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you would actually have vaccine
going into somebody's arm.

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-I will not be injected
with something

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that you cannot prove is safe.

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What's the point to take
a vaccine

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if they're still gonna
make me wear a mask?

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-Bill Gates is trying
to kill us.

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-This is not communist China.

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This is not Cuba.
This is America.

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-Here I am recovering.

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Am I going to get a vaccine?
No.

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-I have a lot of patients

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that may be hesitant
about vaccines,

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but when the COVID-19
pandemic hit,

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it brings reality
and smacks you in the face.

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-[ Chanting indistinctly ]

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-Sadly, the anti-vaccine
community

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started to co-opt the pandemic

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and start spinning conspiracies
on a daily basis.

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-[ Yelling indistinctly ]

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-They have been fighting this
war for more than a decade.

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-...original sin.

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-There are established groups
with established leaders.

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There are established tactics
and strategies.

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And for them, COVID-19
has been the thing

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that they've been
practicing for --

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is a national conversation
about vaccine safety.

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-[ Chanting indistinctly ]

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-I got the worst horror stories.

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Kids going blind
or intellectually challenged.

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What if I vaccinated
my daughter Katie

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or my son Gabe
and something happened to them?

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And could I live with that?

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-People who don't vaccinate
love their children

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just as much as people
who do vaccinate.

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Parents who are becoming
more informed,

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us pesky millennials, want to
make a decision for ourselves,

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and now we're having to go up
against this medical system

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that is used
to just using authority,

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and we're not accepting that.

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-I think that the parents
should have a vote.

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Perhaps the vote.

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Don't tell me
how to treat your child.

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That's not the government's job.

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-There you go, baby.

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Do you want me to say, "Oh,
it's okay to delay your shot?

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Oh, it's okay to take that risk,
your kid getting

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one of these preventable types
of bacterial disease?"

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No, I don't think
that that's a good idea.

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-A major concern

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is the hindrance
to routine childhood vaccines.

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If a coronavirus vaccine
creates fear of all vaccines,

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then we could easily
see a resurgence

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of these childhood diseases.

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-Could polio come back
into this country?

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Do I think people
who are shedding polio virus

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could walk
into Los Angeles airport

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or LaGuardia airport
in New York? Yes.

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Do I think that could happen
with diphtheria? Sure.

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Do I think that it could happen

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with other rare,
contagious diseases? Sure.

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These bacteria and viruses
are out there.

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Let your guard down,
and they'll come back.

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-You should tell the truth
in this film.

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See if any of those guys
that you're talking to

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can defend themselves
against what I just told you?

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-There is no guilt like
the guilt of a mother.

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The mother feels
that every untoward event,

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whether it's a stubbed toe

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or difficulty acquiring math
concepts in the third grade,

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has to, in some way,
lead back to a deficiency

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in the child rearing
by that mother.

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-Just the idea of vaccines
seems totally crazy.

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I have three kids.
I take them to get vaccines

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and it's like, "You're going
to put that needle into my,

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like, sweet, little baby
who's perfectly healthy

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and you're going to shoot him
with part of the disease

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that we're hoping
that he won't get?"

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That is curious.
That's confusing.

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And to be vaccine hesitant,

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I think every parent
has felt a jolt of that.

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-Natural immunity
sounded really good.

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Why are we injecting things

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into our healthy,
beautiful, perfect babies

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that have just come
out of our bodies?

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If we say you want to do
what's natural

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for your baby, right?

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Well, how is injecting
these mysterious chemicals --

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How is that natural?

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-Disease absolutely is natural.

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In fact,
during the pre-antibiotic era,

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it was natural
that people would die

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as a consequence
of those natural processes.

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-Back in the earlier part
of last century,

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we were plagued
with infectious diseases.

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And when the first vaccine
against polio came along,

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there was a huge
lifting of fear.

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The whole country
had been behind that program,

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had contributed
to the March of Dimes.

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This was something
everyone wanted.

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-I was born in the year
of the release

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of the Salk vaccine -- 1955.

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And of course,
during that decade,

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we saw epidemics
of poliomyelitis

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that killed thousands
and crippled tens of thousands.

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Nobody can share with you
the experience of a child

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from a family
in the neighborhood

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who was a star athlete
and now cannot walk.

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Nobody can share that story
because it's a story

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that doesn't occur
in our country any longer.

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-1957, I was probably age 6.

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I was one of the last kids
to get polio

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before they really swept through
with vaccination.

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So that had a very searing
impact because it told me,

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if you're anti-vaccination,

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if you think that
it's too dangerous to vaccinate,

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you have no idea what it means
to live through

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a true, horrific pandemic
for children.

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-Mother Nature has been
trying to kill us

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ever since we crawled
out of the ocean onto land.

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I mean, the only reason
that we live 30 years longer now

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than we did 100 years ago

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is we have fought back
actively and hard.

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We eliminated smallpox --
a disease that's probably killed

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500 million people
in the world's history.

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Whooping cough would kill
8,000 children a year.

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Rubella or German measles would
cause 20,000 to 25,000 cases

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of birth defects every year.

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Pneumococcus would cause tens of
thousands of cases of pneumonia,

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meningitis,
bloodstream infection.

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So vaccines have saved
their lives

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and have allowed us
to live longer.

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The only reason, frankly,
that we now question them is

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because at some level,

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vaccines have been a victim
of their own success.

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-Just as you had families
line up to receive

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Jonas Salk's vaccine
in areas of Central Africa,

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people are lining up
for experimental vaccines

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against Ebola
because between 10% and 40%

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of people with the Ebola virus
are gonna die.

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-Until this pandemic happened,

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most Americans don't have
that level of experience

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with lots of people dying.

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In Africa, they're not gonna
hesitate about that

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because they know what death is.

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They see death
knocking on the door too often.

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-You can put those
who are hesitant

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to get vaccines
into two groups.

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I think one I would call
vaccine-hesitant parents,

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which is to say
they smell the smoke.

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They want to know
whether there's any fire there

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and you can convince them
to vaccinate their children.

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You find out
what their issue is,

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and then in a compassionate
and passionate

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and compelling way,
try and frame the science

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so that it's understandable
and hopefully calms their fears.

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The second group --
and I think it's much smaller,

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much, much smaller component --

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is what I would call
an anti-vaccine activist,

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which is to say
conspiracy theorists

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who just believe
that there are forces out there

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that mean to do them harm.

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And they're not going to believe
anything that you say.

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I don't think they're --
they're -- they're lying.

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I think that they believe

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that their child was
permanently harmed by a vaccine.

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-I can't imagine the grief
that a mother goes through.

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And I imagine that
there are lots of ways

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that that grief can play out,
right?

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And blaming yourself
or blaming someone else.

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-I know a lot of people who feel
that their children

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were vaccine-injured.

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So it's more than believable

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that a parent would
really dig their heels in

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because they would have to admit
to being wrong

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and potentially have put
their children,

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who I absolutely believe
that they love,

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in very real danger.

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-We as humans are wired
for threat, for risk.

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It's how we've survived.

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It's how we've thrived
as a species.

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So for a parent to be concerned

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because they're seeing this pop
up all over the Internet,

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I don't fault them
for asking questions.

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-One of the interesting
developments

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in watching social media

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is we're losing that
to the anti-vaccine side,

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which makes a point
of handling those outlets

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and using them
to their advantage.

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♪♪

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-Unfortunately, the Internet
and more so, social media

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has given a platform
to misinformation about vaccines

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and the diseases they prevent.

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Many of the leaders
of the movement

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profit from the movement itself,

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so it's a business model
for them.

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And of course, the algorithms
drive people to the extremes.

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♪♪

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-There's so much noise.

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You have to ask the question,
"What is the denominator?"

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There's that emotional part
that influences our decisions.

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So when I look at those sites
and I get scared.

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-But it is increasingly clear
to this reporter...

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-There was a time where there
were established gatekeepers

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that most people
turned to for information.

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And now we're sort of all
in this era where we are

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trying to assemble our own truth

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rather than having it
handed to us.

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-It's the world we live in,
right?

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I mean, everybody has a screen
in front of them.

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So as billions and billions of
conversations now become online,

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they start getting funneled

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into relatively few,
precious communication tubes --

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Google, YouTube, Facebook.

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And then they become
easily manipulated.

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Let's monetize it
because it's clickbait

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by they themselves
serving up disinformation

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preferentially to your searches.

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-These anti-vaccine activists

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would go into a group
for new parents

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or they would go into a group
of Tea Party Patriots

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or a QAnon group, and they would

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start seeding their messaging
in there,

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each time, sort of calibrating
the message to the community

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they were trying to reach.

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-The anti-vaxxers,
they're able to make these

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really strong, emotional appeals

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and it is very hard
to counter that.

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Once a really scary thought
takes hold,

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it is really hard
to dislodge it.

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♪♪

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-The anti-vaccine camp --

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They come from
two schools of thought.

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Liberty or purity, right?

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Liberty -- "You can't tell me
what to do with my body

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or my child's body."

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Or purity -- "I don't want

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toxins and chemicals
injected into my child."

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-I'm on the side of parents
taking care of their children

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and not having the government
dictate how you should

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raise your children.

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How dare you say that I don't
know what's best for my kids.

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-I love the bird.

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In my journey
to being a birth worker,

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many of us in this community

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fell more toward
the naturalist side

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that giving a vaccine
is unnatural.

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When you get these
convincing memes and articles,

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it was confirmation bias

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that the medical community
is not trustworthy

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and we're just gonna throw
the baby out with the bath water

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and throw out vaccines
along with the other things

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that we were pushing against.

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-And then there's
this conspiracy branch.

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And for these people,
the story of vaccines

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is about these global elites
who are trying to control

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the population
through things like microchips,

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through things
like 5G connectivity,

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and now they say
through vaccines.

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-I think long ago, there were
families that figured out a way

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to control the United States.

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A section of Jews.

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Maybe they would
fall more into, like, cabal.

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I don't think all Jews.

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I just hope that
the people band together

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and take our freedoms back,

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because that's, to me,
what's at stake here.

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Way more than vaccinations
or viruses or politics.

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It's about freedom
and freedom of choice.

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-[ Chanting indistinctly ]

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-The anti-vaccine movement --

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They are a movement
and you belong to a movement.

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And it's good to build up
a kind of values,

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momentum that makes you feel

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like you belong
to something important.

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And there is a sense that,

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you know,
you're the persecuted minority.

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You're the group that really
isn't being listened to,

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despite the value
of your message.

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-A lot of family members
believed this way.

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So just the solid numbers of,

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"Oh, you guys are doing
the right thing."

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It's very culty, you know.

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By someone telling you
you're doing the right thing,

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we felt like we were doing
the right thing.

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And so we knew
and others didn't know.

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And aren't we smart?

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-I think for one side
of that -- that coin,

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you have to point out
misinformed people

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as empathetic and victims
of just misinformation.

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So my mom -- her love, affection
and care as a mother

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was really weaponized.

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I grew up understanding
that we were not vaccinated.

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The ideas presented were
the vaccines are very dangerous.

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They can cause autism
and cause brain damage.

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But later on,
once I became 13, 14, 15,

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and I saw online

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that there were a lot of people
disagreed with my mom,

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those questions of seeing
a different perspective

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really sort of slowly build
towards a distrust

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in what my mom was saying.

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I just spoke to my mother.

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"These are the reasons
I need to get my vaccines.

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I don't think you're correct
with the information you have.

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And the medical
community disagrees"

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and went from there
to the public health department

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and got immunizations.

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-I think we're compelled
by anecdotes.

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I think that it's hard

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to argue against anecdote
with statistics.

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So, for example,
there are people

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who have reported
that a child got a vaccine

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and turned into
the Incredible Hulk.

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-[ Yells ]

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-Anybody can report anything.

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So that's what you're always
arguing against. It's hard.

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I mean, it's hard
to make statistics

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compelling and passionate
and compassionate and fun

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and convincing...
-[ Roars ]

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-...when people believe

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that their coincidental
experiences

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are causal experience.

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-A conspiracy needs
a good enemy.

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Big Pharma.
It sounds really scary.

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However, it's not true.

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If they didn't make them
tomorrow,

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I'm sure that they would
all be just fine.

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-If you were looking to make
a lot of money

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and make a lot of profit,

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vaccines would be
the last place you would look.

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You would look to Viagra
or drugs for chronic conditions

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like high blood pressure
and diabetes.

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-Ask your doctor
about Trulicity.

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-I don't need any conspiracy

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to create job security
for infectious diseases.

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Nature and the world
create that just fine.

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-Yeah. I don't think
any scientist goes into the lab

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thinking, "This is my way
to sort of get rich."

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I mean, I was fortunate
to work with the team

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at Children's Hospital
Philadelphia

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that created
the rotavirus vaccine.

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Rotavirus in this country --

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it would cause
75,000 hospital admissions

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due to dehydration
and 60 deaths.

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In the world, it causes
2,000 children to die a day.

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The fact that we made
that vaccine

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is the professional
accomplishment

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of which I am most proud.

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It was a 25-year effort

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from which to some extent
I financially benefited,

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but I didn't spend
seven days a week

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in a windowless room
inoculating mice,

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figuring, "If I can
just figure out

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which of these
two viral surface proteins

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evoke neutralizing antibodies,

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I can be rich beyond
my wildest dreams."

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I don't think any reasonable
person does that.

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But I think we've reached an
unfortunate time in our society

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where we vilify expertise
and anybody

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who has any connection
to something that's commercial,

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which is sad because
when vaccines get developed,

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only pharmaceutical companies
have the resources and expertise

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to do the development.

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♪♪

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-I think that vaccine hesitancy
or reluctance

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has always been there.

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But the modern
anti-vaccine movement

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usually goes back to
Andrew Wakefield in the 1990s.

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♪♪

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-Andrew Wakefield,
who lost his license,

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was paid over half a million
dollars to fake a study

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and then raised
more money to sell

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his own version
of the measles vaccine

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is doing quite handsomely.

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He's giving lectures to people,
spreading misinformation.

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In fact, he seemed to be
at least partially responsible

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for the outbreak in Minnesota
in the Somali community.

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-In 1998, Andrew Wakefield
and 12 other co-workers

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published a paper in
a well-respected medical journal

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called "The Lancet,"

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and he made
the following arguments

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that when children got the
measles, mumps, rubella vaccine,

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they could get autism
for this reason --

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that because the vaccine
was given in combination,

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that that somehow weakened
the immune system.

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He just proposed a series
of sort of wild speculations

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for which he had no evidence.

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This was a testable hypothesis.

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It's been tested now
in 18 different studies

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in seven different countries,
on three different continents,

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involving hundreds
of thousands of children

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who either did
or didn't get that vaccine.

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And what you found is that

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there is no difference
in the incidence of autism

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between those who did
or didn't get the vaccine.

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And so the question
has been answered.

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And most parents of children
with autism believe that.

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-Breaking news tonight.

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Just hours ago, the British
medical journal "BMJ"

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did something extremely rare
for a scientific journal.

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It accused a researcher,
Andrew Wakefield,

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of outright fraud.

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-If you read the record
that I have set out in the book,

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you will see the truth.

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-But, sir, if you're lying,
then your book is also a lie.

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If your study is a lie,
your book is a lie.

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-He had already received
$800,000 or $1,000,000

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to try and find a link.

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Five years before,

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he was trying to link
vaccines to Crohn's disease.

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I mean, there was all this
fraudulent science behind it.

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So when people start pointing
to, you know,

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cherry picking
a little bit of science

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and a lot of disinformation,
trying to build a case,

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I say,
"Go back to the scientists

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and the people that really have
true data and statistics

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to guide what we do."

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-The allegations against me
and against my colleagues

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are both unfounded and unjust.

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I repeat, unfounded and unjust.

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-All the evidence to date
points to the notion

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that autism
is a genetic disorder

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and that if you're autistic
at 5,

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you're autistic at 2, you're
autistic when you're born.

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But it's not unusual
when a disease doesn't have

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an obvious cause or a cure
that it could be subject

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to a lot of charlatan-ism
and quackery.

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And that's true with a disease
like autism,

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where you see people
that subject themselves

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to elimination diets
or to baths and magnetic clay

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or to stem-cell transplantation
or to chelation therapy,

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all of which, you know, doctors
are perfectly willing to do

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and to be paid for out
of pocket, taking advantage,

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I think, of the parents'
desperate desire

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to do something
to make their child better.

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-It's such
a life-altering thing

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when you have
a special-needs child.

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It really is.
Just your life is altered.

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And I think parents just need
to have an understanding

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as to why.

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"Why is my child like this?"

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That was really ridiculous.

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You have this special bond,

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and then something
is not right with them.

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And what's kind of cruel is,
is it really unfolds

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in really the worst possible way

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because it's kind
of a slow burn.

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You know, other kids
are hitting milestones

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and your kid may not be
hitting milestones.

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And then finally
they get the diagnosis.

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And it just is, it's painful.

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-Go get 'em.

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-So I can understand
why parents want to know why.

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Like, "Why?
"Why -- Why me? Why us?"

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-Autism is typically first
recognized between one

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and two years of age,
and that's around the time

00:23:10.990 --> 00:23:12.659
that you're getting
a number of vaccines.

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So it's very easy
to make that association.

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I mean, you know,
the rooster crows,

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the sun comes up, the rooster
crows, the sun comes up.

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Is the rooster causing
the sun to come up?

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If you don't allow
the rooster to crow,

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will the sun still come up?
Yes.

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If you don't give people
MMR vaccine,

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will they still have
the same incidence of autism?

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Yes.

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-We do not know
what causes autism.

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We do not know.

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Now, to make the claim

00:23:38.084 --> 00:23:42.689 line:1
that vaccines
may cause autism is false.

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That is a false claim because
that very specific question

00:23:47.260 --> 00:23:50.530
has been answered
through very large,

00:23:50.530 --> 00:23:54.134
carefully conducted studies
of hundreds of thousands

00:23:54.134 --> 00:23:55.902
of children
throughout the world.

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And no link between vaccines
and autism has been established.

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-Science isn't politics.

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It's not philosophy,
it's not religion.

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There's not two sides.

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There's really,
as the truth emerges,

00:24:07.313 --> 00:24:09.649
only one side.

00:24:09.649 --> 00:24:11.051
-[ Chanting indistinctly ]

00:24:11.051 --> 00:24:14.254
-But that story has been
taken hostage by a group

00:24:14.254 --> 00:24:17.323
of people who believe that
vaccines are the cause.

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I think the media allows for
and lawyers enable

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and I think politicians
enable small splinter groups

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to become very powerful

00:24:26.066 --> 00:24:28.802 line:1
and the only groups
that you hear from.

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-We're two decades down the road

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from when Wakefield
unleashed his conspiracy.

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And even though all the other
scientists on that paper

00:24:36.576 --> 00:24:38.011
said the data wasn't true,

00:24:38.011 --> 00:24:40.347
there have been multiple studies
that have tried to repeat it,

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he lost his license,
he's completely discredited...

00:24:45.685 --> 00:24:47.554
...and two decades later,
people will still say,

00:24:47.554 --> 00:24:50.190
"But what about vaccines
and autism?"

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-What other thing?

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There were 13 authors on that
paper and 8 study subjects.

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Just as a tip
to future epidemiologists,

00:24:57.497 --> 00:25:00.767
you should always have more
study subjects than authors.

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-Then a lot of individuals
that are really big leaders

00:25:05.438 --> 00:25:07.040
in the anti-vax world.

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You can talk about Del Bigtree,
Kennedy Jr.,

00:25:10.043 --> 00:25:12.545
even celebrities like Robert
De Niro and Jenny McCarthy.

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And all of them have such a big
sway and influence

00:25:16.082 --> 00:25:18.585 line:1
over this world
of the anti-vaxxing community.

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-Tonight, exclusive Jim Carrey
and Jenny McCarthy,

00:25:23.723 --> 00:25:26.059 line:1
partners in life
and partners in the search

00:25:26.059 --> 00:25:27.727 line:1
for answers to autism.

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Isn't the problem here, Jenny,
that people

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are gonna panic
and not vaccine at all?

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-Probably.

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But guess what?
It's not my fault.

00:25:38.071 --> 00:25:39.739
The reason why
they're not vaccinating

00:25:39.739 --> 00:25:42.409
is because the vaccines
are not safe.

00:25:42.409 --> 00:25:46.112
-Jenny McCarthy really
brought us to this moment.

00:25:46.112 --> 00:25:49.649
She was the first
to have a platform

00:25:49.649 --> 00:25:53.319
and say, "My child was hurt
by vaccines,"

00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:55.789
and you don't want to go up
against a mother

00:25:55.789 --> 00:25:57.424
who thinks that her child
was hurt by vaccines.

00:25:57.424 --> 00:26:00.627 line:1
Like, who are you? You're
automatically the bad guy.

00:26:00.627 --> 00:26:03.863
-What we are saying is that
the number of vaccines given

00:26:03.863 --> 00:26:07.000
and the ingredients,
like the freaking mercury...

00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:10.637
-Expertise is no match
for a good story

00:26:10.637 --> 00:26:15.075
told by a beautiful,
articulate, blond bombshell,

00:26:15.075 --> 00:26:16.910
who is giving you this message.

00:26:16.910 --> 00:26:21.147
-My science is named Evan
and he's at home.

00:26:21.147 --> 00:26:22.782
That's my son.
[ Cheers and applause ]

00:26:22.782 --> 00:26:24.184
-Here's one thing, Jenny.

00:26:24.184 --> 00:26:25.885
And you know
I've got an open mind.

00:26:25.885 --> 00:26:28.588
For people to stop
vaccinating --

00:26:28.588 --> 00:26:31.725
Because we'll start seeing kids
die of polio again.

00:26:31.725 --> 00:26:34.027
-Okay, let me tell you this.

00:26:34.027 --> 00:26:36.896
We do not need
that many vaccines.

00:26:36.896 --> 00:26:39.332
-Yeah, I think
this is a common pitfall.

00:26:39.332 --> 00:26:42.569 line:1
The idea that, "Well,
we have to let both sides

00:26:42.569 --> 00:26:44.237 line:1
have an equal presentation."

00:26:44.237 --> 00:26:48.341 line:1
Look, if we're talking about
matters of opinion or faith,

00:26:48.341 --> 00:26:49.976 line:1
I'm all for that.

00:26:49.976 --> 00:26:52.379 line:1
But it's a fallacy to say,

00:26:52.379 --> 00:26:55.548 line:1
"Well, we're gonna give
equal weight with somebody

00:26:55.548 --> 00:26:58.718
who has no education
or specialization in that area

00:26:58.718 --> 00:27:01.087
and is just talking about
their own feelings."

00:27:02.922 --> 00:27:06.793
[ Cheers and applause ]

00:27:06.793 --> 00:27:11.064
-Now I want to introduce
Robert Kennedy Jr.

00:27:11.064 --> 00:27:13.600
[ Cheers and applause ]

00:27:13.600 --> 00:27:16.403
-There's this kind of
Kafka-esque censorship

00:27:16.403 --> 00:27:20.340
in the news about having
a reasonable debate.

00:27:20.340 --> 00:27:23.843 line:1
So they call us anti-vaccine,
they call us hysterical,

00:27:23.843 --> 00:27:25.812 line:1
they call us
conspiracy theorists.

00:27:25.812 --> 00:27:28.148 line:1
I wouldn't characterize myself
as anti-vaccine.

00:27:28.148 --> 00:27:32.419 line:1
That's something that is
a pejorative that other people

00:27:32.419 --> 00:27:36.923 line:1
use to characterize me
and, you know,

00:27:36.923 --> 00:27:42.662 line:1
the movement as a way
to discredit or to silence us.

00:27:42.662 --> 00:27:45.632
Because, you know,
if you say they're anti-vaccine,

00:27:45.632 --> 00:27:47.834
it sounds like you're crazy.

00:27:47.834 --> 00:27:50.070
And that's a way of masking

00:27:50.070 --> 00:27:52.205
the injuries
that are caused by the vaccine.

00:27:52.205 --> 00:27:55.942
And it's not science,
it's just marketing.

00:27:55.942 --> 00:27:59.446
There are four companies
in this country

00:27:59.446 --> 00:28:02.916
make all 72 vaccines that are
mandated to our children,

00:28:02.916 --> 00:28:07.520 line:1
and all four of them
are serial felons.

00:28:07.520 --> 00:28:09.856
-I talked to RFK
a couple of years ago

00:28:09.856 --> 00:28:12.492
because he wanted
to write something

00:28:12.492 --> 00:28:13.993
and he was asking us
to publish it.

00:28:13.993 --> 00:28:16.996
And because of my librarian
background, when, you know,

00:28:16.996 --> 00:28:19.265
when RFK comes and says,
"Can we run this?"

00:28:19.265 --> 00:28:20.800
I can fact-check it, right?

00:28:20.800 --> 00:28:23.136
And so I called all the people
that wrote the studies

00:28:23.136 --> 00:28:25.905
and I said, "Can you tell me,
is he getting this right?"

00:28:25.905 --> 00:28:27.474 line:1
And so there are two camps --

00:28:27.474 --> 00:28:29.709 line:1
people who wouldn't speak to me
at all and said,

00:28:29.709 --> 00:28:31.511 line:1
"I know how this research
is being used.

00:28:31.511 --> 00:28:34.581 line:1
I don't support it, but I can't
say anything because if I do,

00:28:34.581 --> 00:28:36.649 line:1
they will come for me."

00:28:36.649 --> 00:28:38.785
And then there was
this CDC statistician

00:28:38.785 --> 00:28:40.553
whose work he used that said,

00:28:40.553 --> 00:28:42.989
"This is wrong.
I've retired a month ago.

00:28:42.989 --> 00:28:44.858
So, yeah, I'll tell you
all the ways that are so wrong

00:28:44.858 --> 00:28:47.560
and how he's grossly
misinterpreting my work."

00:28:47.560 --> 00:28:49.129 line:1
-They haven't done
a very good job

00:28:49.129 --> 00:28:51.431 line:1
about protecting public health,

00:28:51.431 --> 00:28:55.635 line:1
but they've done a very good job
at using the quarantine

00:28:55.635 --> 00:28:59.205
to bring 5G
into all of our communities.

00:28:59.205 --> 00:29:03.576
The reason is for surveillance
and data harvesting.

00:29:03.576 --> 00:29:06.346
It's not for you and me,
it's for Bill Gates

00:29:06.346 --> 00:29:08.281
and all
of the other billionaires.

00:29:11.051 --> 00:29:12.585
Bill Gates.

00:29:12.585 --> 00:29:16.022
Number-one vaccine producer
on Earth.

00:29:16.022 --> 00:29:17.791
That's what he does with

00:29:17.791 --> 00:29:20.393
all of his, you know,
"charities."

00:29:20.393 --> 00:29:23.463
He gets the technology,
then they go to Africa

00:29:23.463 --> 00:29:26.733
and he uses his control over
the World Health Organization

00:29:26.733 --> 00:29:31.471
and UNICEF that impose
these profitable technologies

00:29:31.471 --> 00:29:35.675
on developing nations
and makes a killing doing it.

00:29:35.675 --> 00:29:38.778 line:1
-If anything kills
over 10 million people,

00:29:38.778 --> 00:29:40.347 line:1
it's most likely to be

00:29:40.347 --> 00:29:44.217 line:1
a highly infectious virus
rather than a war.

00:29:44.217 --> 00:29:47.620
-Bill Gates, when he amassed
a fortune, what he decided was,

00:29:47.620 --> 00:29:50.357
"What can I do to make
this world a better place?"

00:29:50.357 --> 00:29:52.892
And he settled correctly
on vaccines.

00:29:56.363 --> 00:29:58.231
How exactly does
Bobby Kennedy Jr.

00:29:58.231 --> 00:29:59.499
make this world a better place?

00:29:59.499 --> 00:30:01.835
Please tell me that
because he was given everything.

00:30:01.835 --> 00:30:04.170
He's a wealthy man
who has a great name.

00:30:04.170 --> 00:30:05.705
And what does he do?

00:30:05.705 --> 00:30:07.841
He stands up there
and lies about vaccines

00:30:07.841 --> 00:30:12.212
that causes children
to be put in harm's way.

00:30:12.212 --> 00:30:15.415 line:1
Please tell me,
what do vaccines do

00:30:15.415 --> 00:30:17.484 line:1
that causes chronic disease?

00:30:17.484 --> 00:30:19.519
Is it autism?
Is it diabetes?

00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:20.987
Is it multiple sclerosis?

00:30:20.987 --> 00:30:22.889
Is it attention
deficit disorder?

00:30:22.889 --> 00:30:24.958
Is it all the things
that Bobby Kennedy Jr.

00:30:24.958 --> 00:30:27.160
claims to be true
that have clearly been shown

00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:31.398
definitively, reproducibly,
redundantly not to be true?

00:30:31.398 --> 00:30:34.200
He just makes it up.

00:30:38.838 --> 00:30:40.740
-But now we've seen
anti-vaccine communities

00:30:40.740 --> 00:30:43.743
using really horrendous tactics

00:30:43.743 --> 00:30:46.479
to go into the Somali population
in Minnesota,

00:30:46.479 --> 00:30:49.082
to go into the Jewish
population in New York.

00:30:49.082 --> 00:30:52.552
They're now in Harlem using
really smart tactics to say,

00:30:52.552 --> 00:30:54.688
"Hey, this is like Tuskegee
again.

00:30:54.688 --> 00:30:58.958
Pharma and doctors are
experimenting on your kids."

00:30:58.958 --> 00:31:04.931
-Because of our history
with healthcare in America,

00:31:04.931 --> 00:31:07.600
there is a lack of trust.

00:31:07.600 --> 00:31:10.103
And because of that
lack of trust,

00:31:10.103 --> 00:31:11.805
more Black kids are gonna die

00:31:11.805 --> 00:31:15.642
from one of these preventable
types of bacterial disease.

00:31:15.642 --> 00:31:20.513 line:1
♪♪

00:31:20.513 --> 00:31:23.616 line:1
-The so-called Tuskegee
experiment.

00:31:23.616 --> 00:31:26.386 line:1
It began as a noble cause.

00:31:26.386 --> 00:31:29.389 line:1
Foundations in the 1930s said,

00:31:29.389 --> 00:31:31.825 line:1
"Venereal disease,
in particular syphilis,

00:31:31.825 --> 00:31:33.593
is not getting attention

00:31:33.593 --> 00:31:37.364
among African-Americans
because of racism."

00:31:37.364 --> 00:31:39.566
Nobody was given syphilis,

00:31:39.566 --> 00:31:42.268
but the work was handed off
to the U.S. government.

00:31:42.268 --> 00:31:46.606
And what made Tuskegee horrible
was that in World War II,

00:31:46.606 --> 00:31:49.175
people found a drug --
penicillin --

00:31:49.175 --> 00:31:52.412
and pretty soon
there was a treatment.

00:31:52.412 --> 00:31:56.416
So for decades, these men were
studied when there was a cure

00:31:56.416 --> 00:31:59.185
and they were lied to and told
they were getting a cure,

00:31:59.185 --> 00:32:01.254
and many of them
got sick and died.

00:32:04.691 --> 00:32:07.360
-I think you have
to face it squarely.

00:32:07.360 --> 00:32:09.863
The observation of men
with syphilis without treatment

00:32:09.863 --> 00:32:12.932
to understand the natural
history of the disease

00:32:12.932 --> 00:32:14.901
is immoral.
And that happened.

00:32:14.901 --> 00:32:16.970
And it just did.

00:32:16.970 --> 00:32:18.772
-And we can't dismiss it.

00:32:18.772 --> 00:32:20.907
That's -- that's the thing
that's important,

00:32:20.907 --> 00:32:23.143
because when you have
great distrust,

00:32:23.143 --> 00:32:27.247 line:1
particularly in communities
that have great despair,

00:32:27.247 --> 00:32:29.249 line:1
you need to reflect
those communities.

00:32:33.620 --> 00:32:35.221
We've got to get beyond
these stories,

00:32:35.221 --> 00:32:36.923
because here's what I know.

00:32:36.923 --> 00:32:41.061
COVID knows no end
and it's indiscriminate

00:32:41.061 --> 00:32:44.297
and it's much higher probability
amongst African-Americans

00:32:44.297 --> 00:32:45.832
because of some
of the modalities

00:32:45.832 --> 00:32:49.402
associated with our community,
health-wise, that you'll die.

00:32:49.402 --> 00:32:50.970
[ Cheers and applause ]

00:32:50.970 --> 00:32:55.709
-Anti-vaccination is primarily
an upper-class White movement.

00:32:55.709 --> 00:32:56.976
-...for our children.

00:32:56.976 --> 00:33:00.380
-And the anti-vaxxers
could be among the worst.

00:33:00.380 --> 00:33:04.451
Death threats
and having to notify the cops

00:33:04.451 --> 00:33:07.620
and warning my family
not to answer the phone.

00:33:07.620 --> 00:33:11.958
It's part of the movement
to shut up your opposition.

00:33:11.958 --> 00:33:14.160
-[ Chanting indistinctly ]

00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:19.165 line:1
♪♪

00:33:19.165 --> 00:33:21.668 line:1
-They're angry,
and so they want to make sure

00:33:21.668 --> 00:33:24.204 line:1
that anybody who stands up
in defense of vaccines

00:33:24.204 --> 00:33:26.339 line:1
or vaccine safety is punished.

00:33:26.339 --> 00:33:29.109
And so they will send hate mail
or they'll scream at you,

00:33:29.109 --> 00:33:31.111
or they'll occasionally
send death threats

00:33:31.111 --> 00:33:32.178
or they'll throw blood,

00:33:32.178 --> 00:33:33.980
which is what happened
in California.

00:33:36.216 --> 00:33:39.452
-It's a very toxic space,
especially online.

00:33:39.452 --> 00:33:41.521
I expected it.

00:33:41.521 --> 00:33:44.224 line:1
People think I'm killing
children by defending vaccines.

00:33:44.224 --> 00:33:47.427 line:1
So they're very upset and
they really want me to stop it.

00:33:47.427 --> 00:33:49.029
I've gotten death threats,
harassment,

00:33:49.029 --> 00:33:51.598
everything to my appearance
and the way I talk.

00:33:51.598 --> 00:33:53.566
Any attacks that can be made
personally

00:33:53.566 --> 00:33:55.168
or about the arguments
I make

00:33:55.168 --> 00:33:57.137
has been said
and will be said again.

00:33:57.137 --> 00:34:00.140
-You get bombarded with tweets,
you get bombarded with e-mails.

00:34:00.140 --> 00:34:02.676
You get people launching
social-media campaigns,

00:34:02.676 --> 00:34:06.146
sending me e-mails
that are just unhinged

00:34:06.146 --> 00:34:10.517
and saying that I am in a plot
to harm their children.

00:34:10.517 --> 00:34:13.420
And, you know, and threats
against my own children.

00:34:13.420 --> 00:34:17.424
And so, you know, it becomes --
It becomes difficult

00:34:17.424 --> 00:34:20.427
to report on these things
and not let that get to you.

00:34:20.427 --> 00:34:24.164 line:1
-I was told that
I was killing babies.

00:34:24.164 --> 00:34:27.434 line:1
Somebody compared me to Hitler.

00:34:27.434 --> 00:34:30.103 line:1
You want your reporting
to land with people

00:34:30.103 --> 00:34:32.706 line:1
and you want to do
the public good.

00:34:32.706 --> 00:34:38.978 line:1
But to feel that vitriol so
aggressively was hard sometimes.

00:34:44.017 --> 00:34:46.286
-Proponents
of mandatory vaccinations

00:34:46.286 --> 00:34:49.289
point to California,
where state lawmakers removed

00:34:49.289 --> 00:34:51.491
personal-belief
vaccine exemptions

00:34:51.491 --> 00:34:54.194 line:1
after a measles outbreak
at Disneyland

00:34:54.194 --> 00:34:57.897 line:1
sickened 147 people in 2015.

00:34:57.897 --> 00:35:01.835 line:1
-Vaccines are one of the very
few interventions where,

00:35:01.835 --> 00:35:04.571 line:1
in order to protect
a society as a whole,

00:35:04.571 --> 00:35:05.939 line:1
to help our most vulnerable,

00:35:05.939 --> 00:35:08.041 line:1
the people who cannot
get vaccinated,

00:35:08.041 --> 00:35:10.910
we are going to vaccinate
all of these healthy people,

00:35:10.910 --> 00:35:15.181
like in a school
or in a daycare.

00:35:15.181 --> 00:35:18.284
-We have kids and grandparents
and parents and neighbors

00:35:18.284 --> 00:35:21.154
who are on chemotherapy or who
have had an organ transplant.

00:35:21.154 --> 00:35:23.590
I have a kid in our practice
who doesn't make antibodies.

00:35:23.590 --> 00:35:26.459
I mean, he just congenitally
just does make --

00:35:26.459 --> 00:35:29.529
He could die, right?
Any of these people could die.

00:35:29.529 --> 00:35:32.365
They want vaccines.
They can't get the vaccines.

00:35:32.365 --> 00:35:34.801
That's the beauty
of herd immunity.

00:35:34.801 --> 00:35:37.404
-To have really the full benefit
of herd immunity,

00:35:37.404 --> 00:35:40.306 line:1
you need more than 90% of people
to be immune.

00:35:40.306 --> 00:35:42.842 line:1
And so it's just not
good enough to say,

00:35:42.842 --> 00:35:45.979 line:1
"Well, let's get three quarters
of people vaccinated

00:35:45.979 --> 00:35:47.213
and hope for the best."

00:35:47.213 --> 00:35:49.449
That means kids
are gonna suffer and die.

00:35:49.449 --> 00:35:51.184
-And some parents,
it's just that,

00:35:51.184 --> 00:35:53.019
"Well, I'm not gonna
expose my child

00:35:53.019 --> 00:35:55.321
to something
that I perceive as harmful

00:35:55.321 --> 00:35:58.725
because your child has
a compromised immune system.

00:35:58.725 --> 00:36:03.496
That's your responsibility
to limit any kind of exposure."

00:36:03.496 --> 00:36:04.998
-They're giving her oxygen.

00:36:04.998 --> 00:36:08.768
-I would hope that people
would have some generosity

00:36:08.768 --> 00:36:12.305
towards those who do not have
immune systems

00:36:12.305 --> 00:36:14.908
that are capable
of fighting off infection.

00:36:14.908 --> 00:36:16.643
These kids can't help that,

00:36:16.643 --> 00:36:20.647 line:1
but they're not able,
in some cases, to be vaccinated

00:36:20.647 --> 00:36:23.650 line:1
and are walking around
unprotected.

00:36:27.554 --> 00:36:29.823
-It's why it's a really
hard topic.

00:36:29.823 --> 00:36:32.525
Something I fight for
is bodily autonomy

00:36:32.525 --> 00:36:34.494
and that we should all be able
to make decisions

00:36:34.494 --> 00:36:36.763
about what goes into our bodies.

00:36:36.763 --> 00:36:39.933
So it is hard for me to wrap
my mind around that sometimes,

00:36:39.933 --> 00:36:42.836
even that I could possibly
support something

00:36:42.836 --> 00:36:45.672
that takes away the choice.

00:36:47.807 --> 00:36:49.876
-I'm really on the fence
with being told

00:36:49.876 --> 00:36:52.679
what to do with your children.

00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:54.614
But having
an immune-suppressed child

00:36:54.614 --> 00:36:59.352
who would benefit greatly
from mandatory vaccinations,

00:36:59.352 --> 00:37:01.321 line:1
that profoundly changes --

00:37:01.321 --> 00:37:03.857 line:1
I call it "It changed my DNA."

00:37:03.857 --> 00:37:07.494 line:1
It just changed
everything about me.

00:37:11.197 --> 00:37:12.866
[ Monitor beeping ]

00:37:16.870 --> 00:37:20.473
-I was born with hypoplastic
left heart.

00:37:20.473 --> 00:37:23.777
I take medication
and that medication

00:37:23.777 --> 00:37:26.513 line:1
makes my immune system low

00:37:26.513 --> 00:37:30.316 line:1
in order for my body
to accept my heart.

00:37:32.786 --> 00:37:35.822
So my body takes twice
as long to recover

00:37:35.822 --> 00:37:38.958
from a cough or from a fever.

00:37:38.958 --> 00:37:40.894
So people don't know
who they're around.

00:37:40.894 --> 00:37:42.462
And they could easily
get somebody sick

00:37:42.462 --> 00:37:44.597
if they're not fully vaccinated.

00:37:44.597 --> 00:37:45.699
-Thanks.

00:37:45.699 --> 00:37:47.033
I was pregnant with Hannah

00:37:47.033 --> 00:37:50.537
when we found out
she needed a heart transplant.

00:37:50.537 --> 00:37:54.074 line:1
She had the same heart defect
that my son passed away from.

00:37:58.144 --> 00:37:59.979
And I gave birth to Hannah.

00:37:59.979 --> 00:38:03.550
And thankfully,
11 days after her birth,

00:38:03.550 --> 00:38:05.218
a heart became available.

00:38:10.657 --> 00:38:12.659
We're just going over
a medical checklist...

00:38:12.659 --> 00:38:15.729
-You can go upstairs
for echo and EKG, 7:30,

00:38:15.729 --> 00:38:18.898
-...and the immunologist
got to immunizations

00:38:18.898 --> 00:38:21.434
and said, "Well, of course, now,
the kids are immunized."

00:38:21.434 --> 00:38:24.537
So I...I kind of went, uh...

00:38:24.537 --> 00:38:25.939
He said,
"Let's stop right there.

00:38:25.939 --> 00:38:27.540
They're not?"

00:38:27.540 --> 00:38:31.711
At first I felt embarrassed
and I felt kind of silly

00:38:31.711 --> 00:38:33.546
and uneducated.

00:38:33.546 --> 00:38:35.515
And my husband and I
had to really own up

00:38:35.515 --> 00:38:37.851
to the reasons why they're not.

00:38:37.851 --> 00:38:40.520
And, of course,
she was very graceful

00:38:40.520 --> 00:38:43.423
and just non-judgmental.

00:38:43.423 --> 00:38:46.459
And she explained
to us herd immunity

00:38:46.459 --> 00:38:49.729
and how important
that was for Hannah.

00:38:49.729 --> 00:38:53.767
So we had to start the younger
children on a schedule

00:38:53.767 --> 00:38:55.769
and got them fully vaccinated.

00:38:55.769 --> 00:38:58.538
You can open your eyes.
Can you open your eyes?

00:38:58.538 --> 00:39:00.640
-I just think that
if people knew

00:39:00.640 --> 00:39:04.878
what low-immune-system patients
have to go through

00:39:04.878 --> 00:39:08.214
in order to survive,
in order to live,

00:39:08.214 --> 00:39:12.852
they would feel a little bit
differently about vaccination.

00:39:12.852 --> 00:39:17.057
And so if you have the power
to not cause any harm

00:39:17.057 --> 00:39:19.125
to anybody else,
you should use that.

00:39:21.561 --> 00:39:24.464
-There is a line
from an historian

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that goes something like,
"The history of drug development

00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:28.968
is built on tombstones."
That is true.

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-There is a price for knowledge.

00:39:35.875 --> 00:39:37.944 line:1
When we say that a vaccine
is effective,

00:39:37.944 --> 00:39:40.280 line:1
there is a price for that.

00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:41.981 line:1
And there's probably
no better example

00:39:41.981 --> 00:39:43.950 line:1
of that than the polio story.

00:39:46.419 --> 00:39:48.888 line:1
When Jonas Salk made
his polio vaccine,

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there was going to be a big
so-called phase-3 trial.

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420,000 children
were gonna get his vaccine.

00:39:54.327 --> 00:39:56.696
200,000 children
were gonna get placebo.

00:39:58.698 --> 00:40:00.166
And so the trial was completed

00:40:00.166 --> 00:40:02.836
and it was found to be
remarkably safe and effective.

00:40:02.836 --> 00:40:05.138
And Thomas Francis
stood up on the podium

00:40:05.138 --> 00:40:09.275
and had said three words --
safe, potent, and effective.

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[ Applause ]

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He knew it was effective because
16 children died from polio

00:40:14.848 --> 00:40:16.516
all in the placebo group.

00:40:16.516 --> 00:40:19.486
He knew it was effective
because 36 children

00:40:19.486 --> 00:40:22.455
were permanently paralyzed
in the placebo group.

00:40:25.258 --> 00:40:27.894
That broke Jonas Salk's heart.

00:40:27.894 --> 00:40:32.465
He couldn't conscience giving
200,000 children salt water

00:40:32.465 --> 00:40:36.202
in the midst of what he knew
was a yearly polio epidemic.

00:40:36.202 --> 00:40:38.905
So it's those gentle heroes
that we left behind

00:40:38.905 --> 00:40:40.206
that were never acknowledged

00:40:40.206 --> 00:40:43.176
because we were so busy
celebrating that vaccine

00:40:43.176 --> 00:40:46.513
that we forgot exactly how
we knew that it was effective.

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♪♪

00:40:55.288 --> 00:40:59.826
-Polio was a horrific pandemic
for children.

00:40:59.826 --> 00:41:05.732
We have COVID, and it's
a horrific pandemic for adults.

00:41:05.732 --> 00:41:08.134
COVID appeared just at the time

00:41:08.134 --> 00:41:09.969
when there was
a significant shift

00:41:09.969 --> 00:41:12.972
in anti-vaccination propaganda,

00:41:12.972 --> 00:41:16.476
personal choice,
personal self-determination.

00:41:16.476 --> 00:41:19.245
So while the science
was there to help us,

00:41:19.245 --> 00:41:22.749
our values prevented us
from using it

00:41:22.749 --> 00:41:24.451
as fast as we could have.

00:41:24.451 --> 00:41:27.287
And it was that shift
that led us

00:41:27.287 --> 00:41:31.758
to have hundreds of thousands
of preventable deaths.

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♪♪

00:41:38.898 --> 00:41:41.434
-The new push to get
more Americans vaccinated

00:41:41.434 --> 00:41:44.337
as the U.S. is moving
in the wrong direction.

00:41:44.337 --> 00:41:47.040
-We have a storm coming.
I would call it a hurricane.

00:41:47.040 --> 00:41:49.976
-We're already seeing
a blue state/red state divide.

00:41:49.976 --> 00:41:53.680
-No one should be forced to take
a vaccine against their will.

00:41:53.680 --> 00:41:57.951
-Far-right politics is king
here. Science the villain.

00:41:57.951 --> 00:41:59.386
-Why should I trust science?

00:41:59.386 --> 00:42:01.321
Does that mean
I'm not trusting God?

00:42:01.321 --> 00:42:04.257
-This Delta variant,
we're seeing skyrocketing cases

00:42:04.257 --> 00:42:07.193
of children sicker
than they ever have been.

00:42:07.193 --> 00:42:08.895
-One sick child needs to die

00:42:08.895 --> 00:42:11.564
before another sick child
gets an ICU bed.

00:42:11.564 --> 00:42:13.633
Think about that.
This is America.

00:42:17.971 --> 00:42:22.609
-Polio's impact was known,
predictable, and terrifying.

00:42:22.609 --> 00:42:26.846
And with COVID, there's so many
extra overlays of the politics

00:42:26.846 --> 00:42:29.649
and the economics
that I don't know.

00:42:29.649 --> 00:42:30.850
It's a weirder time.

00:42:30.850 --> 00:42:33.353
Back then, in the '50s,
we prized science.

00:42:33.353 --> 00:42:35.188
We were trying to get in space

00:42:35.188 --> 00:42:37.724
and holding our scientists up
as role models.

00:42:37.724 --> 00:42:40.694 line:1
And here the political
and conspiracy theorists

00:42:40.694 --> 00:42:43.430 line:1
are now just trying
to attack science.

00:42:43.430 --> 00:42:45.532 line:1
-One of the things
that we're seeing

00:42:45.532 --> 00:42:47.701
in a time
when we desperately need

00:42:47.701 --> 00:42:51.571
a large mobilization
around something like a vaccine

00:42:51.571 --> 00:42:54.140
is that there is no single
source of authority

00:42:54.140 --> 00:42:55.809
that can pull people together.

00:42:55.809 --> 00:42:58.011
And so not only do
we have to marshal

00:42:58.011 --> 00:43:00.180
our scientific resources,

00:43:00.180 --> 00:43:01.781
but we have to start
laying the groundwork

00:43:01.781 --> 00:43:03.350
so that when
these things do emerge,

00:43:03.350 --> 00:43:05.952
people will actually
believe in them.

00:43:05.952 --> 00:43:09.589
-You need to meet the people
where they are.

00:43:09.589 --> 00:43:11.825
Wouldn't it be nice
to be able to go

00:43:11.825 --> 00:43:16.529
to your kid's college graduation
or to have that family reunion

00:43:16.529 --> 00:43:19.299
or for the grandparents
to see the grandchildren?

00:43:19.299 --> 00:43:21.701
And if you get the vaccine,
guess what?

00:43:21.701 --> 00:43:24.137
You're protected
and they're protected.

00:43:26.206 --> 00:43:28.174
-We're all in this together.

00:43:28.174 --> 00:43:31.244
The planet Earth,
the big ship that we ride,

00:43:31.244 --> 00:43:34.247
carries us all on a journey
in which we are interdependent.

00:43:36.683 --> 00:43:38.718
In this time of COVID-19,

00:43:38.718 --> 00:43:41.654
these controversies,
like vaccines,

00:43:41.654 --> 00:43:47.360
can be helped by a strong drive
to seek first, to understand,

00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:50.697
to try and understand,
try and engage as people.

00:43:50.697 --> 00:43:53.466
-We've seen with the coronavirus
that it was across

00:43:53.466 --> 00:43:56.603
our entire nation
in less than a month.

00:43:56.603 --> 00:44:01.174
The world is small, and so
if we were to stop vaccinating,

00:44:01.174 --> 00:44:06.513
we would have major outbreaks
within a month here in the U.S.

00:44:06.513 --> 00:44:07.814
-Here we go.

00:44:07.814 --> 00:44:12.118
I do not want to be
at the bedside of parents

00:44:12.118 --> 00:44:14.320
with something
that they could have prevented.

00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:18.692
I don't want them to think
for a nanosecond

00:44:18.692 --> 00:44:21.695
that this risk is worth taking.

00:44:21.695 --> 00:44:23.029
Perfect.

00:44:23.029 --> 00:44:27.767
I immunize my kids
without any hesitation.

00:44:27.767 --> 00:44:30.737
All of my colleagues
have done the same.

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♪♪

00:44:38.812 --> 00:44:41.181
-Here it comes. Whoo!

00:44:41.181 --> 00:44:44.217
I value objectivity,
and I think that

00:44:44.217 --> 00:44:46.519
if you're presented
with different evidence

00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:49.255
that you should
change your mind.

00:44:49.255 --> 00:44:52.225
That if in our conversation
you figure out

00:44:52.225 --> 00:44:55.562
that what you have been teaching
or what you believe is wrong,

00:44:55.562 --> 00:44:57.731
that you're willing
to accept the evidence.

00:45:00.867 --> 00:45:03.169
-You never know what's gonna
flip someone's switch.

00:45:03.169 --> 00:45:04.270
You never know what it is.

00:45:04.270 --> 00:45:06.206
For us, it was dramatic.

00:45:06.206 --> 00:45:08.074
It was dramatic.

00:45:08.074 --> 00:45:13.380
When you get wrong information
and then you have to change,

00:45:13.380 --> 00:45:15.515
you just have to own up to it.

00:45:15.515 --> 00:45:18.151
When you know better,
you do better.

00:45:18.151 --> 00:45:21.988
-Anybody who's alive today
has been able to witness

00:45:21.988 --> 00:45:25.658
the enormous impact
that vaccines have made.

00:45:25.658 --> 00:45:27.494
But I think that
because of that impact,

00:45:27.494 --> 00:45:29.996
we become willing
to ignore that effect.

00:45:29.996 --> 00:45:31.631
And if we let our guard down,

00:45:31.631 --> 00:45:32.932
these vaccine-preventable
diseases

00:45:32.932 --> 00:45:35.468
can certainly come roaring back.

00:45:35.468 --> 00:45:39.773 line:1
♪♪

00:45:39.773 --> 00:45:42.442
-Public-health crises,
like COVID,

00:45:42.442 --> 00:45:44.878
I've learned, and I think
we all should learn

00:45:44.878 --> 00:45:48.415
are really as much about ethics
as they are about science.

00:45:48.415 --> 00:45:50.483
You can have all
the science you want.

00:45:50.483 --> 00:45:53.787
If people don't buy
the underlying ethics framework,

00:45:53.787 --> 00:45:58.191
the underlying values framework
to achieve community health,

00:45:58.191 --> 00:46:01.127
then we have a problem
because there will be others.

00:46:01.127 --> 00:46:04.030
More will come.

00:46:04.030 --> 00:46:07.067
Public health
needs pulling together

00:46:07.067 --> 00:46:09.736
needs community,
needs some sense

00:46:09.736 --> 00:46:11.538
that you're gonna watch out
for each other

00:46:11.538 --> 00:46:13.707
to make it happen.

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♪♪

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