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The world is violent.

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My work is nothing close to the reality

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of what we see on the street or what happens

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in conflict with groups of people.

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It\'s nothing but a pale shadow.

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There\'s a difference between mass art and people\'s art.

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My art is people\'s art.

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What\'s in them, the major movies that come out of Hollywood

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that\'s mass art, it\'s different.

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Bobby Sands was put in prison in Northern Ireland,

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and he wasn\'t accused of any crime, he\'s put in detention,

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which means you can be imprisoned without having a trial.

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And he became a member of parliament.

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And then he went on hunger strike

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to get better prison conditions.

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Margaret Fletcher refused those conditions.

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And she said, a murderer is a murderer is a murderer.

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And I feel she was describing herself and that\'s her.

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So I don\'t think what we see on television is the truth.

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That\'s a way I draw the victim,

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that one identifies with the victim, not with the oppressor.

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Well, that\'s a woman that had an illegal abortion

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is dead because abortion used to be illegal

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in the United States.

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Now they\'re making it, trying to make it illegal again.

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And that means women will still go ahead and have abortions,

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but they\'ll be medically unsafe, and that\'s when women die.

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New York city\'s lower east side, 1985.

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Sue Coe\'s shows at the PPOW Gallery.

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What\'s that thing up there, cat?

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Miss Decker, what\'s that thing, a cat?

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Maybe a shark?
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The other one, what do you think?

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Is it a cat?

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A cat or a donkey?

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An art class from the local public school

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visit Sue Coe to talk about her work.

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How come in this picture right here

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it says England is a Bitch?

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You\'re turning against England, why?

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When people are unemployed,

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they went on the streets to demonstrate

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and say they didn\'t have jobs.

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And the police came and were very violent and beat them up

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with tranches and destroyed the neighborhood by putting up,

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it was Notting Hill Gate and Brixton and up in Liverpool.

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They put up that riot, corrugated riot stuff.

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Have you seen it?

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All along the street so people couldn\'t demonstrate.

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And you\'ve got the picture

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of the king and queen.
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Well, they\'re not queen and king yet.

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That\'s Prince Charles.

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Because all the media, the newspapers,

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weren\'t really reporting the truth

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of people demonstrating on the street,

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they were just reporting the Royal family,

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marrying each other.

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That\'s why I did that.

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Why do you pick these kinds of things

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from the newspaper like this?

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Because that\'s what I see.

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So every day I go through newspapers, see the television,

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I think, \"Is this entire truth?

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\"Is this everything?\"

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But the reason I\'m painting is the photograph,

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is I\'m trying to get the feeling of what it feels like

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to be shocked, which you can\'t do in a photograph.

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It\'s just like if someone\'s running after you with a gun

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feeling of being pursued, it\'s what I\'m trying to get over.

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When you spell President Reagan,

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his last name Reagan, why do you spell it Raygun?

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Because I think of him as a weapon.

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Oh.

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Yes.

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When you answered the question that he gave

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about that you call Raygun because

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you think of him as a weapon--
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Well, do you think of them as a weapon

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because he uses them?

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But with all your paintings, not all of them,

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mostly all of them, they have quarter moons.

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What does that mean to you?

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That means everything bad takes place at night.

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Okay.
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I don\'t mean night literally.

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I mean we\'re ignorant of it.

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We\'re in the dark.

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They want the people to move out

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of the buildings, but they want their money.

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The children had also been following the news.

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The day before the students\' visit to the gallery,

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their teacher asked them to write stories based on articles

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they chose from the newspaper.

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They wrote about their lives as if they themselves

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were the characters in the news.

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My name is Anne Mark.

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I got divorced about six months ago.

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I have four children, I get paid $250 a week.

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The rent is $500, I work 12 hours a day.

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I\'m so tired.

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I have enough work to do with my children and my job.

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I have nowhere to go.

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What\'s gonna happen?

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I\'m so worried about my children.

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The world is so cruel.

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I\'d rather die than to live.

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My name is Patrick Lam.

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I am a member of a Jewish family.

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And I realize how I hate President Reagan

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more and more every day.

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Many Jewish people, some of them my relatives,

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were killed in the Holocaust.

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And here President Reagan is putting flowers

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on the graves of Nazi soldiers.

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What he should do is spit on their graves.

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All the people they killed, most of them Jews.

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Even though I hate him so,

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I do not wish any harm to President Reagan,

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because then I\'ll be just as bad as him and even worse.

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I\'m Bernhard Goetz.

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If you ask me, those boys had no business bothering me.

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I was riding the train peacefully and all of a sudden,

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some boys pull screwdrivers out on me and try to mug me.

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I tell you, the only reason I carry a gun

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is because I got robbed.

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Man, of all people, why me?

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Because I\'m skinny?

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I showed them.

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I hope they learned their lesson

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and all the other muggers in the train system.

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Look, even if I didn\'t shoot them,

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the cops wouldn\'t have caught them.

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I had a feeling this was going to happen someday

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just \'cause I\'m skinny.

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Watch out muggers.

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You\'re gonna run \'cause I\'m Bernie Goetz,

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the one with the gun.

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Can I start?

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Hello, my name is Peter Lawrence Yogi Berra.

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They nicknamed me Yogi because I looked like Yogi Bear.

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When I heard from George Steinbrenner that I was fired

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from manager and out of the Yankee Organization,

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I was pissed off because after over 17 years

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with the Yankees I was replaced by my former teammate

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who was fired times as a Yankee manager.

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My God, when you be pissed.

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It started, felt like crying.

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I sat in the locker room like for four hours

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thinking my life was at Yankee Stadium, that I was a memory.

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Whenever fans go to Yankee Stadium,

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they look at the spot I used to be.

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And who replaced him?

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Me?

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That jackass Billy Morton.

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PS, Steinbrenner is a jackass also.

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Great deal of support from my family.

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I have four children,

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and each one of them has helped in some way

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or support to me or any context that you could make.

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And so that has been very good,

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that\'s a very good feeling to have that kind of support.

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May I ask if you have been invited

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to the White House?

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And if you were, to a state dinner or something,

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would you go?

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Well, of course we were invited

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to the White House under the three presidents.

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And I could say that when you\'ve seen one state dinner,

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you\'ve see them all.

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We have no particular desire to go back again.

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When you wrote a book about Vietnam,

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you said we won\'t get over the Vietnam syndrome

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until we stopped using this intellectual junk food.

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What do you mean by intellectual junk food?

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I watch a little bit more television

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than I used to do.

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It\'s not my favorite medium and I\'m not their favorite.

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Just on the news, please.
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I would say that as far as that is concerned,

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we have been inundated with this hammering about Vietnam.

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And we see these happy Vietnamese women,

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girls riding their bicycles through Ho Chi Minh City,

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and we hear how wonderful it is there and so forth.

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We hear that as a result of our leaving

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that now things are moving better.

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Well, they\'re not.

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What I mean is that that\'s intellectual junk food.

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What we have to do is to hear the truth

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about what has happened.

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And then we will realize that we must not

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let that happen again.

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Not in Nicaragua or any place else.

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[woman vocalizing]

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The first rape series I did,

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I was trying to draw a woman being raped

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because I hadn\'t seen any, you know,

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in art history that were done by women.

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And I started to draw it.

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And then all the women I knew just came,

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they saw me painting the painting.

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They said, no, that\'s not how it is.

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And even though they\'re not artists and they can\'t draw,

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they would draw their feelings of how it felt to be raped.

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So I used that information to build up the painting.

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And then the other one I saw, I went to a courtroom one day

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and I saw a very young girl.

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She had to draw in a black board

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how she was being raped for the attorney.

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And I saw this very crude drawing,

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and it was maybe a 14 or 15-year-old young woman.

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And it was very powerful that sort of courage she had

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to be able to draw that experience.

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So that was the beginning of that series.

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But when women is shown being on television or TV,

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it\'s in a false, untrue way.

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♪ In 1983 ♪

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♪ A Massachusetts woman ♪

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♪ Stopped at the bar ♪

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♪ To buy a pack of cigarettes ♪

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♪ Her children waited for her in the car ♪

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♪ She walked in ♪

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♪ And was raped by four men ♪

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♪ While 20 men watched ♪

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I understand the rape paintings

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were banned during your recent show in England.

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What happened was that a politician came into the gallery

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and was very offended and removed

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the work from the exhibition.

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And then women demonstrated and picked it outside the museum

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until the right painting was returned

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because they said women have a right to show rape.

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I believe it\'s one out of every three women

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under the age of 20 are sexually molested.

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And women have the right to paint that

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and show their feelings.

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What reasons did the politician

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give for banning this work?

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That it was pornography.

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In other words, the depiction of the event

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was pornographic, not the event itself,

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but the depiction of the event.

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So we learned a lot by it, I learned a lot.

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I was very happy those women came and saved me.

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I was saved, my work wasa saved and put back.

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This painting was originally commissioned

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by Boston Magazine to accompany a feature article

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on the Massachusetts Rape.

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But when the piece was printed,

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the four men and the pool table were, without warning,

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cut and left out.

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While Sue\'s illustrations have been commissioned

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by major papers, such as the New York Times

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and the London Times,

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she often finds it hard to get published.

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Most magazines are reluctant to use her often, if at all.

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She doesn\'t accept art direction and says what she wants to.

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Fed up with censorship and limited distribution,

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Coe now publishes her own books

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in collaboration with others.

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In How To Commit Suicide In South Africa,

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Coe and writer Holly Metz, describe sunny South Africa,

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where murder due to torture is reported as black suicide.

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Bearing witness to war in the 20th century

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by the same authors tells the story of war resisters

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in modern times.

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Rosa was Rosa Luxemburg, and she was killed by the Nazis.

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She\'s a very progressive woman.

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And Bertolt Brecht, who\'s a poet in Germany,

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said this about her.

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Red Rosa now has vanished too,

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where she lies is hid from view.

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She told the poor what life is about,

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and so the rich have rubbed her out.

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And that\'s her and she\'s warning people against fascism.

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I wouldn\'t want to deny the truth I see,

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but other folks maybe don\'t see the same sort of truth.

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So they\'re not responsible to do the type of work I do.

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Do you think the work that you do

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gives people hope or despair?

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Showing of what\'s real is hope in itself.

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Even if the content looks like despair,

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to reveal the truth is hope.

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To camouflage the truth is, there\'s no hope.

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We can\'t learn by that.

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The dark ages.

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So if my work is violent, I\'m sorry.

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When this world is free of racist, sexist violence,

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then you will be free of my art.

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If you remove your bloody nuclear device from my garden,

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then I will find time to paint flowers.

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Until then I\'m painting your portrait,

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which will hang in a gallery in the hope that one day,

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all that will hang there is you.

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Charles Durall on the road in New York.

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That\'s the CBS evening news for this Friday.

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Dan Rather reporting from New York.

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Make it a good weekend.

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Sometimes people don\'t want to,

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I don\'t think the guys who were there

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really need to be reminded of that.

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I mean, that\'s something that\'s never gonna go away.

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And that\'s like 17 years later, I watched.

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