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State of Terrorism - Part 2
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Before September 11, 2001, only some 400 people had pledged allegiance to Al-Qaeda. But now there are tens of thousands of jihadist militants on several continents. Terrorist attacks have multiplied around the world, straining relations between the West, its minority populations and Muslim nations. By violating the democratic values it claimed to be defending, the “War on Terror” launched by George W. Bush’s administration in the wake of 9/11 had the effect of a hammer smashing a vial of mercury. It scattered what had been a limited threat, turning it into a permanent global conflict – one that has provided fertile ground for recruiting jihadists and swelling the ranks of increasingly powerful xenophobic groups in the United States and Europe.
This is the somber picture painted by director Ilan Ziv (Capitalism) through conversations with political leaders, security experts, and generals from the United States, the UK, France, and Israel who witnessed these events on the inside, at the highest levels. Some, like neo-conservative Richard Perle, continue to believe their actions were justified, while others, like the late Colin Powell’s former right-hand man, Lawrence Wilkerson, are haunted by their guilt. But regardless of how they view their roles, those interviewed for the series help us understand the war that ravaged the Middle East, causing hundreds of thousands of deaths, and how that has led to an impasse with no end in sight.
From the deliberate lies triggering the invasion of Iraq to the United States’ “black” torture sites, Ilan Ziv weighs the facts against what we know today, showing how concepts created by a discredited administration continue to deeply affect the world today.
Part 2 examines how America’s decision to disregard the Geneva Conventions doomed its counter-offensive to failure even before the invasion of Iraq — by fueling the insurrections to come and spreading further violence.
“If you only see one documentary about the endless war that began with the 9/11 attacks, it's this one by Ilan Ziv.” —Le Monde
“Highly recommended! Intense; a much-needed update on the topic of terrorism for public and academic library collections.” —Suzanne Mangrum, Educational Media Reviews Online (EMRO)
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Main credits
Ziv, Ilan (film director)
Ziv, Ilan (film producer)
Ziv, Ilan (screenwriter)
Nusse, Céline (film producer)
Rozenberg, Paul (film producer)
Cadieux, Paul (film producer)
LeGuerrier, David (editor of moving image work)
Bohbot, Joseph (narrator)
Bohbot, Joseph (editor of moving image work)
Other credits
Editing, David LeGuerrier, Joseph Bohbot.
Distributor subjects
Globalization; History (U.S.); Comparative Government; Human Rights; Political Science; Politics; Middle EastKeywords
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the United States launched a global military campaign
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against Jihadism, having defined it as terrorism.
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Using the successful reconstruction of Germany and Japan
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after the Second World War as examples,
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America sought to change the nature of the Afghan regime.
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This would be the first battle
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in a self-declared war on terror.
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Suddenly, ambiguities in the definition of terrorism,
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lead to real consequences.
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Is it permissible to torture them
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in order to gain information?
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Can we kill them in their homes or communities,
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as part of what are now called, targeted assassinations?
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These questions go beyond judicial or moral debate,
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they have changed the very nature of the war itself.
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The outcome of this war on terror would depend not only
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on fighting forces on the ground,
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but on a specific legal definition formulated in Washington.
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of the role of administration lawyers and the development
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and implementation of interrogation rules
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which have drawn criticism in here in United States
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and around the world.
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We recognize Professor Yoo.
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in examining these questions,
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did the best we could under the circumstances.
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of the American policy on the treatment
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of captured enemy combatants.
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were very reluctant to ask, well, really do the rules
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that we have developed for the kinds of wars we know,
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wars between nation states,
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covered by the Geneva Conventions,
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do they really apply here or not?
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to violence as a way to settle disagreements.
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Yet through the ages, people from around the world
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have tried to limit the brutality of war.
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It was this humanitarian spirit that led
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to the first Geneva Convention of 1864
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and to the birth of international humanitarian law.
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amidst the ruins of the Second World War,
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in order to prevent future atrocities.
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But John Yoo and the Bush legal team argued
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that these laws applied only to conflicts between states,
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and not to captured jihadis.
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to a lot of other people that legally,
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the Geneva Conventions didn\'t apply.
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That does not tell you if they don\'t apply,
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that doesn\'t not tell you one way or another
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whether you should apply the rules of the Geneva Convention
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as a matter of policy.
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could not order to be done to a suspect if he believed
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it necessary for national defense?
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just answer the question, council.
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Just answer the question.
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and other ill treatment of detainees whatever their past.
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They must be given food and water
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and allowed to communicate with loved ones.
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This preserves their dignity and keeps them alive.
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wrote his second secret memo as a Commander In Chief.
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In agreement with John Yoo and others,
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Bush stated that, \"None of the provisions
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of the Geneva Convention apply to our conflict
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with Al Qaeda in Afghanistan or anywhere around the world.\"
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It was a decision that transformed the War on Terror.
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shocked I think, both Colin Powell and me.
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We were having this debate and the debate was being entered
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by all concerned parties and the President seemed
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to be listening and then all of a sudden, here\'s this memo.
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And we find out the decision\'s been made,
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and the decision is not what we wanted.
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in the Bush Administration that somehow by labeling
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these people enemy combatants, they would be sent to,
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it turn out Guantanamo and that military courts
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would be much stricter and tougher.
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This was a misunderstanding of military law.
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We understood it having both been in the military
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and yet, it happened.
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for almost 60 years.
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And we knew it had the potential to produce
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some tragic consequences.
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had hosted secret interrogation prisons
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for the CIA in the early 2000s.
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Such locations are commonly called, \"Black sites\"
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and are best known as terrorist holding cells
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located in countries without strict anti-torture laws.
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this is crazy!
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was captured in Pakistan.
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His, would be the first test case in which the US decided
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to no longer conform to the Geneva Convention.
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America created its own interpretation
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of what constitutes torture.
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to a clandestine prison or so-called black site.
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We believe it was in Thailand.
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Abu Zubaydah has been shot several times during his capture
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and was now near death.
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to interrogate Abu Zubaydah.
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He didn\'t have much time,
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his interrogation began in the intensive care unit,
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with the FBI agent doubling down as a nurse.
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We helped him with his injury.
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We were there putting ice on his lips,
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so when he\'s dehydrated, we took him to the surgery rooms,
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brought him back, helped him with his medication.
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So in the process, in a few days or so,
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you develop a rapport by doing that.
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being made by Agent Soufan, the CIA remained unsatisfied.
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They replaced Soufan with private contractors
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who supposedly specialized in what they called
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enhanced interrogation techniques.
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[water trickling]
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these proposed, so-called enhanced interrogation measures.
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There was a good part of me that wanted to say,
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\"Forget it, forget it.\"
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I didn\'t have any warning.
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They simply came into my office and said,
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\"We have some tactics we think are necessary.
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We have our first major senior al-Qaeda terrorist
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in custody, Abu Zubaydah.
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we are convinced that he is an important cog
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in Al Qaeda, and he knows.\"
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some disturbing images.
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have never been demonstrated accurately in public before.
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Chris Samson, part of Malcolm Nelson\'s team agreed
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to put himself through it.
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Strap out.
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to some of these techniques being described,
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this is gonna get this agency someday, somehow
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into serious, serious trouble.
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of the \"Kelly File\" everyone, I\'m Megyn Kelly.
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Doctor James Mitchell was approached by the CIA
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in the months after 9/11, asked to help develop a program
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to get more information from terror suspects.
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Were you the one actually conducting technics
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on Abu Zubaydah?
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Initially, I was in the background role
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and then after he shut down
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and the enhanced interrogation were approved,
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I was in an administration role.
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that it\'s just gonna get us into huge trouble.\"
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I had a habit of walking around
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the CIA headquarters building, take a break, smoke a cigar.
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Thinking about, trying to absorb what I just heard.
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And thinking, I should go back in there
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and just tell everyone,
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\"Forget it, don\'t even think about this.\"
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And that would have been that.
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[phone ringing]
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But then I played out the scenarios.
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Okay, so I go in there and I do that and the program is over
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before it even starts.
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What happens if next week or next month,
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there\'s another huge attack on our homeland?
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That was an outcome that I could not count on it.
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it with George Tenant and John Rizzo.
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\"Make sure this is legal before we go forward.\"
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Torture is a war crime!
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an effigy of John Yoo.
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They are protesting his addition
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to the university\'s legal faculty.
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In 2002, Yoo was the highest legal authority
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in the Bush Administration.
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It was to him that John Rizzo came for advice.
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is what came to be known as the \"Torture Memos.\"
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is that right?
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is that right?
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The memo was implemented at some point, is that right?
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of course these things are torture.\"
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[helicopter whirring]
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I attended a couple of national security principals\' meeting
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and it was fascinating for me to observe the reactions
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of the principals to being told about this.
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I\'m glad I didn\'t know, I hope I\'d have had the courage
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to resign if I had found out, if I had known about it.
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[phone ringing]
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attended the principals meeting
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when enhanced interrogations were discussed.
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to the principals, which Secretary Powell chose not to,
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I think it\'s the only thing he didn\'t share with me
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in over four years.
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But I question how rigorous the presentation was.
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For instance, I doubt that it got down
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to the level of water boarding.
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no dissension about water boarding, never expected that.
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I mean, I thought, in my mind,
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that would be the most controversial technique.
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The Secretary of State, Colin Powell,
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seemed to think that sleep deprivation was the most,
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would be the most brutal of all the techniques.
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Condoleezza Rice, for her part,
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she kept coming back to the notions,
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\"Why do you have to have interrogations
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with the prisoner naked?\"
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But again, nothing, no pushback about water boarding.
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when it comes to the way governments treat those
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they label as terrorists.
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It was the response chosen by the French against the FLN,
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who were fighting for Algerian independence.
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a composite fictitious character
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based on real paratrooper commanders,
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to penetrate the growing insurgency.
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the French were facing in Algiers?
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No real knowledge of the threat they were facing.
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in the entire United States inventory who had interrogated
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and knew how to interrogate terrorists.
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They were all in the FBI, none in the CIA.
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[man coughing]
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by the French in 1957, nor by CIA contractors.
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The practice had existed for many years and has been used
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over the centuries against everyone from religious heretics,
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to rebels in the Philippines, and the Viet Cong in Vietnam.
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[helicopter whirring]
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Yes, torture works, torture works if you want people
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to tell you what you wanna hear,
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not necessarily the truth.
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So, if you want, for example, Abu Zubaydah to wrongly admit
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he was the number three persons in Al Qaeda,
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then torture is the method for you.
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If you want the truth,
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then torture is the wrong method for you.
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[somber music]
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the use of torture, the question of its efficiency
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is rarely discussed.
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In fact, the practices only served
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to worsen the conflict.
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[soft music]
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During the Battle of Algiers,
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information gained through the use of torture
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lead French paratroopers to the hide out
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of the last remaining FLN leader in the capital.
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[somber music]
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They blew up the building, along with everyone inside.
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were an efficient solution.
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[protesters shouting]
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However, two years later,
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massive demonstrations erupted in Algiers.
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The French occupiers lost control of the city,
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and eventually, the country.
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[protesters shouting]
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Torture may have contributed
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to the decapitation of the FLN in Algiers,
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but it ultimately helped to inflame an uprising
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that mobilized the entire country.
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[somber music]
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by the United States in their war on terror.
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The use of enhanced interrogation technics
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first employed in a secret CIA program,
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quickly spread to the heart of the American Army.
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This is your final destination.
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and signed by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld,
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authorized the use of a collection
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of advanced interrogation techniques
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to be used at Guantanamo.
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that this was anything but an innocent mistake.
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Meaning, it never crossed my mind that anybody involved
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in the preparation of those documents,
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including Secretary Rumsfeld would knowingly
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and purposefully have authorize the use of torture.
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of abusive techniques against detainees,
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he unleashed a virus which ultimately
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infected interrogation operations
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conducted by the US military in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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so-called harsh interrogation techniques
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during the War on Terror was a mistake
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of massive proportions.
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It damaged and continues to damage our nation.
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[dogs barking]
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[prisoner grunts]
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when we were getting all these individuals,
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but at the time, I said early on, back in January of 2001.
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I said, \"This, we will win the war
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or we\'ll lose it here in Guantanamo.\"
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down at the tactical or operational level.
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The first and the second identifiable causes
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of US combat deaths in Iraq as judged
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by their effectiveness in recruiting insurgent fighters
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into combat are respectively the symbols
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of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.
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and their devastating impact on the US war effort
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begin here at the UN,
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where the US tried to make a link between Saddam Hussein
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and terrorism by producing proof
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of his alleged weapons of mass destruction,
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and his connections to Al Qaeda.
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at the Security Council...
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between Iraq and Al-Qaeda.
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American Secretary of State Colin Powell
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addressed the Security Council,
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presenting America\'s case for war.
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[phone ringing]
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and he threw a sheaf of papers down on my desk.
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And I said, \"What\'s this, Boss?\"
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And he said, \"That\'s the case against Iraq WMD.
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You\'re to put all that together, take anybody else you need
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out to Langley, get with George
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and build my presentation at the U.N.\"
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\"When, Boss?\" \"Now.\" \"No, the presentation, when?\"
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\"5, February.\"
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\"Impossible. Can\'t do it, won\'t do it.\"
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\"Well, you\'ll have to find a way to do it.\"
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[dramatic music]
[phone ringing]
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I went out there and my team did not sleep for five days
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and five nights virtually.
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We lived on coffee and donuts
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and we built this presentation.
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is backed up by sources, solid sources.
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These are not assertions.
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What we\'re giving you are facts and conclusions
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based on solid intelligence.
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I will cite some examples and these are from human sources.
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that we had a real problem other than
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politicization of intelligence.
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We had a problem with lying, outright lying.
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that all of the information given to Larry Wilkerson
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was made up of either unproven allegations or outright lies.
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But the alleged connection between Saddam Hussein
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and Al Qaeda would be even more damaging,
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ultimately propelling Al Qaeda into Iraq.
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is the potentially much more sinister nexus
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between Iraq and the Al Qaeda terrorist networks.
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A nexus that combines classic terrorist organizations
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and modern methods of murder.
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[eagle screams]
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between Iran and Iraq,
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that Colin Powell\'s alleged proof was found.
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The revelation would have repercussions well beyond
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his now famous address to the Security Council.
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headed by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi,
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an associate and collaborator of Osama Bin Laden
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and his Al Qaeda lieutenants.
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who was radicalized in prison, joined Al Qaeda,
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but was never fully accepted as an equal.
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[traditional song]
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When the Americans went into Afghanistan,
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Zarqawi fled to northern Iraq, an isolated region,
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out of Saddam Hussein\'s reach.
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I mean, the number one
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time-sensitive priority as of June \'02
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when I left headquarters
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was go collect on this Islamic extremist enclave
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along the Iran-Iraq border.
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We literally had guys that were working for us
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that were inside the camp.
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They were working on chemical and biological weapons.
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They were doing lot of work with cyanide-based things.
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but the White House rejected the idea.
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Zarqawi and his followers were considered
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militarily insignificant in the plans
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being drawn up for war in Iraq.
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or working for Saddam or linked-up with Saddam.
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that it would be impossible for him logically
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to be working with Saddam.
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And the response to that was met with skepticism,
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lots of questions and a lot more frustration.
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Zarqawi and his network have plotted
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terrorist actions against--
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to be, here he is, his name is spoken at the UN.
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Now, he\'s showing bin Laden and Al Qaeda
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who he really is, right?
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He\'s become this iconic person without ever
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really doing anything.
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[sirens wailing]
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the United States had unwittingly elevated the image
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of bin Laden in the Muslim world
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and helped recruit new jihadists.
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Now, Colin Powell had done the same for Zarqawi.
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American and Coalition Forces are in the early stages
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of military operations to disarm--
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the United States went to war.
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[bombs exploding]
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made huge headlines and helped to sell the war to the world.
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How do you live with the knowledge that you were deceived?
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I haven\'t slept a full night through in 10 plus years.
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on both sides.
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Reasonable estimate, reasonable estimate,
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we killed 300,000 Iraqis.
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For what?
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So, we can unleash Al Qaeda in the region, unleash Daesh,
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unleash a Syrian civil war, destroy a state called Iraq?
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For what did we do it?
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For oil?
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[bombs exploding]
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00:29:31.390 --> 00:29:33.578 line:15%
542
00:29:33.578 --> 00:29:34.457 line:15%
543
00:29:34.457 --> 00:29:36.170 line:15%
544
00:29:36.170 --> 00:29:37.327 line:15%
outside the compound.
545
00:29:37.327 --> 00:29:38.550 line:15%
546
00:29:38.550 --> 00:29:41.963 line:15%
at the Jordanian embassy, on August 7th, 2003.
547
00:29:42.860 --> 00:29:44.700 line:15%
17 people were killed,
548
00:29:44.700 --> 00:29:48.649
all of them Iraqi civilians, who had been in line for visas.
549
00:29:48.649 --> 00:29:51.329 line:15%
[bombs exploding]
550
00:29:51.329 --> 00:29:54.162 line:15%
[people shouting]
551
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:57.330 line:15%
552
00:29:57.330 --> 00:29:59.980 line:15%
a truck bomb detonated in front of the UN headquarters
553
00:29:59.980 --> 00:30:04.233 line:15%
in Baghdad, destroying the building and killing 22 people.
554
00:30:05.271 --> 00:30:06.433
[people shouting]
555
00:30:06.433 --> 00:30:09.610
556
00:30:09.610 --> 00:30:10.710
557
00:30:10.710 --> 00:30:12.913
was the top UN envoy in the country.
558
00:30:13.812 --> 00:30:15.751
[people shouting]
559
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[bombs exploding]
560
00:30:18.690 --> 00:30:20.290 line:15%
561
00:30:20.290 --> 00:30:21.603 line:15%
came a few days later.
562
00:30:22.513 --> 00:30:24.660 line:15%
[people yelling]
563
00:30:24.660 --> 00:30:27.010 line:15%
Two cars, wired with explosives,
564
00:30:27.010 --> 00:30:29.920 line:15%
detonated near the Imam Ali Mosque in Najaf.
565
00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:34.000
85 worshipers were killed, as well as a moderate member
566
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:35.483
of the Shia high clergy.
567
00:30:36.950 --> 00:30:39.820
All of these acts were Zarqawi\'s work.
568
00:30:39.820 --> 00:30:43.892
The United States had made a terrible miscalculation.
569
00:30:43.892 --> 00:30:47.250
570
00:30:47.250 --> 00:30:49.060
571
00:30:49.060 --> 00:30:50.700
that Al Qaeda had assumed leadership
572
00:30:50.700 --> 00:30:52.823
of a growing insurgency.
573
00:30:52.823 --> 00:30:53.656
[helicopter whirring]
574
00:30:53.656 --> 00:30:55.290
America was in Iraq to remove
575
00:30:55.290 --> 00:30:57.313
the supposed threat of Saddam Hussein.
576
00:30:58.532 --> 00:31:00.290
[helicopter whirring]
577
00:31:00.290 --> 00:31:02.290
And Zarqawi had taken advantage
578
00:31:02.290 --> 00:31:04.223
of the void his ouster created.
579
00:31:05.444 --> 00:31:07.431
[soldier shouting]
580
00:31:07.431 --> 00:31:09.300
[gunshots]
581
00:31:09.300 --> 00:31:13.720
582
00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:16.830
I compared it to learning to eat soup with a knife,
583
00:31:16.830 --> 00:31:19.670
not a policy I would recommend to anybody.
584
00:31:19.670 --> 00:31:22.870
And then I arrived in Al Anbar Province of Iraq,
585
00:31:22.870 --> 00:31:25.837
Iraq\'s Wild West, in the fall of 2003
586
00:31:25.837 --> 00:31:28.213
and the insurgency was erupting around us.
587
00:31:34.102 --> 00:31:36.852
[sirens wailing]
588
00:31:39.900 --> 00:31:43.020
Early one Sunday morning during shift change,
589
00:31:43.020 --> 00:31:46.590
when the maximum number of individuals were present,
590
00:31:46.590 --> 00:31:48.880
there was a car bomb attack on our police station.
591
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:52.360
And well, over 40 policemen were killed,
592
00:31:52.360 --> 00:31:55.223
a scene of absolutely horrific carnage.
593
00:31:57.290 --> 00:32:01.040
The sophistication of the attack, the velocity,
594
00:32:01.040 --> 00:32:05.380
the ferocity of the weapon system that was used,
595
00:32:05.380 --> 00:32:08.610
the tactics of hitting us at shift change
596
00:32:08.610 --> 00:32:11.320
where the likely effect was at its worst,
597
00:32:11.320 --> 00:32:13.700
convinced me that we were not longer just fighting
598
00:32:13.700 --> 00:32:18.340
local insurgents, that Al Qaeda or Al Qaeda in Iraq,
599
00:32:18.340 --> 00:32:22.426
its new affiliate in Iraq, had moved into our sector.
600
00:32:22.426 --> 00:32:24.586
[fighters yelling]
601
00:32:24.586 --> 00:32:28.470
We had given our enemies a new reason to fight us
602
00:32:28.470 --> 00:32:30.660
and a new battlefield on which to fight us
603
00:32:30.660 --> 00:32:33.444
and given them new targets to attack.
604
00:32:33.444 --> 00:32:37.230
[car engine revving]
605
00:32:37.230 --> 00:32:42.090
606
00:32:42.090 --> 00:32:46.150
I was really shocked by what I saw.
607
00:32:46.150 --> 00:32:49.563
The neighborhoods were both deserted and blown up,
608
00:32:50.890 --> 00:32:55.120
these once prosperous areas with lawns and swimming pools
609
00:32:55.120 --> 00:32:58.193
and everything else were empty,
610
00:32:59.120 --> 00:33:01.440
tumbleweed literally blowing down the streets
611
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:02.723
almost metaphorically.
612
00:33:03.908 --> 00:33:06.420
[soft music]
[car engine revving]
613
00:33:06.420 --> 00:33:09.930
614
00:33:09.930 --> 00:33:14.040
literally hundreds of military age males
615
00:33:14.040 --> 00:33:16.530
who might have been insurgents
616
00:33:16.530 --> 00:33:19.610
but most likely weren\'t and we were imprisoning
617
00:33:19.610 --> 00:33:22.603
literally thousands and thousands of innocent Iraqis.
618
00:33:23.879 --> 00:33:26.071
[alarm buzzing]
619
00:33:26.071 --> 00:33:26.950
[people shouting]
620
00:33:26.950 --> 00:33:28.990
621
00:33:28.990 --> 00:33:31.410
by pictures of Iraqi prisoners being abused
622
00:33:31.410 --> 00:33:33.000
by American soldiers.
623
00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:35.860
Many Americans will be disgusted by what they see
624
00:33:35.860 --> 00:33:39.380
and the damage to the US interest in the rest of the world
625
00:33:39.380 --> 00:33:42.173
is hard to calculate but it will be significant.
626
00:33:43.860 --> 00:33:48.650
627
00:33:48.650 --> 00:33:51.570
The images of Abu Ghraib will always
628
00:33:51.570 --> 00:33:52.960
be available on the internet,
629
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:57.780
they are instantly recognizable to this day.
630
00:33:57.780 --> 00:33:58.730
[dogs barking]
631
00:33:58.730 --> 00:34:00.540
632
00:34:00.540 --> 00:34:02.470
for Zarqawi and his movement.
633
00:34:02.470 --> 00:34:03.368
[alarm buzzing]
634
00:34:03.368 --> 00:34:06.438
635
00:34:06.438 --> 00:34:07.820
and my mother\'s name is Suzanne.
636
00:34:07.820 --> 00:34:11.670
637
00:34:11.670 --> 00:34:14.383
The group uploaded a carefully staged video.
638
00:34:16.530 --> 00:34:18.310
In the center, on the floor,
639
00:34:18.310 --> 00:34:20.470
young American entrepreneur, Nicholas Berg
640
00:34:20.470 --> 00:34:23.130
is dressed in orange, just like the prisoners
641
00:34:23.130 --> 00:34:25.660
in Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib.
642
00:34:25.660 --> 00:34:28.970
Behind him, stand a group of masked men.
643
00:34:28.970 --> 00:34:33.361
Zarqawi is in the center, reading a prepared statement.
644
00:34:33.361 --> 00:34:37.778 line:15%
[Zarqawi speaks in foreign language]
645
00:35:00.150 --> 00:35:01.227
646
00:35:01.227 --> 00:35:03.393
and decapitated Nicholas Berg.
647
00:35:04.619 --> 00:35:07.647
The horrific scene would go viral on the internet.
648
00:35:09.249 --> 00:35:11.400
[Terrorists yelling]
649
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:12.803
650
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:19.440
You have new elements that promote terrorism in a way
651
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:25.930
that we never experienced before.
652
00:35:25.930 --> 00:35:30.930
Social media for example, Facebook, Twitter and YouTube.
653
00:35:33.410 --> 00:35:37.390
Now people can radicalize without traveling
654
00:35:37.390 --> 00:35:39.571
to training camps.
655
00:35:39.571 --> 00:35:41.988
[soft music]
656
00:35:43.369 --> 00:35:47.702 line:15%
[Pierre speaks in foreign language]
657
00:36:28.342 --> 00:36:31.900
658
00:36:31.900 --> 00:36:36.143
We have ISIS in Iraq and Syria, you have Boko Haram.
659
00:36:38.100 --> 00:36:40.100
You have Al Shabaab movement in Somalia.
660
00:36:41.290 --> 00:36:44.050
You have Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula in Yemen.
661
00:36:44.050 --> 00:36:48.550
You have Ansar al-Sharia in Libya and Tunisia.
662
00:36:48.550 --> 00:36:50.650
You have Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb.
663
00:36:50.650 --> 00:36:52.200
You have al Marubitun brigade.
664
00:36:52.200 --> 00:36:55.560
All these groups came out of Al-Qaeda,
665
00:36:55.560 --> 00:36:57.713
came out of the narrative and ideology.
666
00:36:58.630 --> 00:36:59.990
[indistinct radio chatter]
667
00:36:59.990 --> 00:37:02.039
668
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:02.938
Fucking A.
669
00:37:02.938 --> 00:37:04.580
[bomb explodes]
670
00:37:04.580 --> 00:37:06.731
671
00:37:06.731 --> 00:37:08.310
672
00:37:08.310 --> 00:37:09.820
673
00:37:09.820 --> 00:37:10.780
His arm\'s hurt.
674
00:37:10.780 --> 00:37:13.490
675
00:37:13.490 --> 00:37:15.180
and their regular armies,
676
00:37:15.180 --> 00:37:18.630
only to discover it was fighting a world-wide insurgency,
677
00:37:18.630 --> 00:37:20.403
connected by the internet.
678
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:24.500
Uprisings were exploding in Iraq, Afghanistan
679
00:37:24.500 --> 00:37:26.123
and dozens of other countries.
680
00:37:27.020 --> 00:37:30.460
The US would need to invent a new strategy,
681
00:37:30.460 --> 00:37:32.641
one on a global scale.
682
00:37:32.641 --> 00:37:35.224
[upbeat music]
683
00:37:39.010 --> 00:37:41.470
[sirens wailing]
684
00:37:41.470 --> 00:37:44.010
685
00:37:44.010 --> 00:37:46.620
had just assassinated Sadr Al-Abed,
686
00:37:46.620 --> 00:37:49.440
a leader of the armed Palestinian group, Hamas
687
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:51.690
together with his two bodyguards.
688
00:37:51.690 --> 00:37:53.780
689
00:37:53.780 --> 00:37:56.420 line:15%
a new weapon with which to respond.
690
00:37:56.420 --> 00:37:59.900 line:15%
The Israeli military began targeted assassinations
691
00:37:59.900 --> 00:38:02.701
in its battle with Palestinian militants.
692
00:38:02.701 --> 00:38:05.451
[people yelling]
693
00:38:06.572 --> 00:38:10.989 line:15%
[Farkash speaks in foreign language]
694
00:38:21.389 --> 00:38:24.222
[people shouting]
695
00:38:28.310 --> 00:38:32.060 line:15%
[speaks in foreign language]
696
00:38:49.395 --> 00:38:51.812
[soft music]
697
00:38:54.395 --> 00:38:58.145 line:15%
[speaks in foreign language]
698
00:39:10.126 --> 00:39:13.293
[helicopter whirring]
699
00:39:15.532 --> 00:39:18.199
[bomb explodes]
700
00:39:19.343 --> 00:39:23.093 line:15%
[speaks in foreign language]
701
00:39:41.237 --> 00:39:42.560
702
00:39:42.560 --> 00:39:44.143
let me know if you can see the target
703
00:39:44.143 --> 00:39:47.613
and I\'ll start to [indistinct].
704
00:39:47.613 --> 00:39:49.360
705
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:51.223
706
00:39:51.223 --> 00:39:54.757
[bombs explodes]
707
00:39:54.757 --> 00:39:56.340
708
00:39:56.340 --> 00:39:57.660 line:15%
the same tactics,
709
00:39:57.660 --> 00:40:00.170 line:15%
helping them avoid a permanent military presence
710
00:40:00.170 --> 00:40:01.660 line:15%
on the ground fighting a protected
711
00:40:01.660 --> 00:40:03.513 line:15%
counter-insurgency campaign.
712
00:40:04.386 --> 00:40:06.780 line:15%
[cameras clicking]
713
00:40:06.780 --> 00:40:07.613 line:15%
714
00:40:08.650 --> 00:40:09.803 line:15%
Last night in Iraq,
715
00:40:10.640 --> 00:40:12.550
United States Military forces killed
716
00:40:12.550 --> 00:40:15.170
the terrorist, Al Zarqawi.
717
00:40:17.123 --> 00:40:21.010
6:15 Baghdad time, special operation forces
718
00:40:21.010 --> 00:40:24.170
acting on tips and intelligence from Iraqis
719
00:40:24.170 --> 00:40:28.620
confirmed Zarqawi\'s location and delivered justice
720
00:40:28.620 --> 00:40:30.973
to the most wanted terrorist in Iraq.
721
00:40:32.496 --> 00:40:33.329
[cameras clicking]
722
00:40:33.329 --> 00:40:34.960
723
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:36.963
of targeted assassinations?
724
00:40:38.350 --> 00:40:43.110
725
00:40:43.110 --> 00:40:46.893
Al Qaeda prime, the organization that came after us on 9/11.
726
00:40:49.110 --> 00:40:51.870
Don\'t believe me, believe Al Qaeda.
727
00:40:51.870 --> 00:40:53.890
There are letters between bin Laden
728
00:40:53.890 --> 00:40:55.260
and his chief lieutenant,
729
00:40:55.260 --> 00:40:58.550
and they are all about to targeted killing program.
730
00:40:58.550 --> 00:41:01.840
And if you read those letters, all right?
731
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:03.940
They\'re not complaining about collateral damage.
732
00:41:03.940 --> 00:41:05.090
In fact, they\'re complaining
733
00:41:05.090 --> 00:41:06.893
that these things are damn precise.
734
00:41:08.430 --> 00:41:10.533
735
00:41:12.570 --> 00:41:14.950
both here at home and abroad understandably
736
00:41:14.950 --> 00:41:17.400
centers around the report of civilian casualties.
737
00:41:18.830 --> 00:41:20.190
But as a Commander in Chief,
738
00:41:20.190 --> 00:41:22.640
I must weigh these heartbreaking tragedies
739
00:41:22.640 --> 00:41:24.283
against the alternatives.
740
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:30.190
To do nothing in the face of terrorists networks
741
00:41:31.900 --> 00:41:34.733
would invite far more civilian casualties.
742
00:41:35.767 --> 00:41:38.810
[speaks in foreign language]
743
00:41:38.810 --> 00:41:41.240
744
00:41:41.240 --> 00:41:44.290
by Israel and the United States as war crimes,
745
00:41:44.290 --> 00:41:46.290
for their killing of innocent civilians.
746
00:41:47.290 --> 00:41:52.290
On July 22nd, 2002, an Israeli F-16 dropped a one-ton bomb
747
00:41:52.780 --> 00:41:55.630
into a densely populated residential neighborhood
748
00:41:55.630 --> 00:41:59.130
in Gaza City, killing Salah Shehadeh,
749
00:41:59.130 --> 00:42:01.943
the military leader of Hamas in the Gaza Strip.
750
00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:05.980
The bomb also killed 13 civilians,
751
00:42:05.980 --> 00:42:10.600
mostly women and children, scores more were wounded.
752
00:42:11.474 --> 00:42:12.522
[people shouting]
753
00:42:12.522 --> 00:42:15.272
[sirens wailing]
754
00:42:17.933 --> 00:42:22.350 line:15%
[Farkash speaks in foreign language]
755
00:42:57.453 --> 00:43:00.203
[drone whirring]
756
00:43:04.584 --> 00:43:09.001 line:15%
[Farkash speaks in foreign language]
757
00:43:31.821 --> 00:43:34.738
[jet engine roars]
758
00:43:39.650 --> 00:43:42.233 line:15%
[upbeat music]
759
00:43:45.821 --> 00:43:50.238 line:15%
[Farkash speaks in foreign language]
760
00:44:04.722 --> 00:44:07.392
[jet engine roaring]
761
00:44:07.392 --> 00:44:10.672
[bomb explodes]
762
00:44:10.672 --> 00:44:15.089 line:15%
[Farkash speaks in foreign language]
763
00:44:24.652 --> 00:44:27.319
[women weeping]
764
00:44:35.696 --> 00:44:40.113 line:15%
[Farkash speaks in foreign language]
765
00:44:53.556 --> 00:44:56.306
[sirens wailing]
766
00:44:57.658 --> 00:45:00.658
[mourners shouting]
767
00:45:11.319 --> 00:45:12.570
768
00:45:12.570 --> 00:45:14.700
Hamas militant leader to be killed,
769
00:45:14.700 --> 00:45:17.680
and certainly, not the last.
770
00:45:17.680 --> 00:45:22.257
Israel kept killing and Hamas kept finding new replacements.
771
00:45:23.130 --> 00:45:26.540
But each murder only strengthened Hamas in the Gaza strip
772
00:45:26.540 --> 00:45:29.016
and consolidated its power.
773
00:45:29.016 --> 00:45:30.730
[mourners shouting]
774
00:45:30.730 --> 00:45:33.070
775
00:45:33.070 --> 00:45:36.650
and blood when each killing mobilizes more people
776
00:45:36.650 --> 00:45:38.400
to join these organizations?
777
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:40.020
778
00:45:40.020 --> 00:45:41.350
In one way or another,
779
00:45:41.350 --> 00:45:45.670
we might be feeling out the Jihadi recruitment video.
780
00:45:45.670 --> 00:45:48.960
It certainly made relationships to their allies
781
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:50.000
more complicated.
782
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:52.788
I understand that, we\'re not stupid.
783
00:45:52.788 --> 00:45:54.800
[protesters shouting]
784
00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:57.830
If you think drone strikes have people flocking
785
00:45:57.830 --> 00:45:59.830
to the black banners, let me tell you
786
00:45:59.830 --> 00:46:02.640
will get people flocking with the black banners.
787
00:46:02.640 --> 00:46:05.400
A successful major attack on the United States,
788
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:06.700
that\'ll get people flocking.
789
00:46:06.700 --> 00:46:08.240
You wanna see recruitment?
790
00:46:08.240 --> 00:46:09.590
That\'ll create recruitment.
791
00:46:11.559 --> 00:46:12.670
[phone ringing]
792
00:46:12.670 --> 00:46:14.770
Late in my time as director,
793
00:46:14.770 --> 00:46:17.620
I\'m actually president Obama\'s director for a few weeks
794
00:46:17.620 --> 00:46:20.670
and I was able to brief a successful operational act
795
00:46:20.670 --> 00:46:22.930
in the margins of a national security council meeting.
796
00:46:22.930 --> 00:46:25.600
And Rahm Emanuel, the President\'s new Chief of Staff
797
00:46:25.600 --> 00:46:28.370
comes up at the end of the meeting, pushes me in the back.
798
00:46:28.370 --> 00:46:29.990
I turned around, \"Oh, hey Rahm?\"
799
00:46:29.990 --> 00:46:33.090
He said, \"Hey, good on you guys, good work.\"
800
00:46:33.090 --> 00:46:35.240
Now, I\'m leaving government in a few days,
801
00:46:35.240 --> 00:46:38.140
this is my last chance to talk to the administration.
802
00:46:38.140 --> 00:46:39.447
And so I simply looked them in the eye and said,
803
00:46:39.447 --> 00:46:41.350
\"Rahm thanks, that\'s very kind of you to say that.
804
00:46:41.350 --> 00:46:45.633
But you know, Rahm, that was a counter terrorism success,
805
00:46:46.510 --> 00:46:48.733
unless you change the facts on the ground,
806
00:46:50.640 --> 00:46:52.277
we get to kill people forever.\"
807
00:46:53.525 --> 00:46:54.358
[cameras clicking]
808
00:46:54.358 --> 00:46:56.350
809
00:46:56.350 --> 00:46:57.980
was supposed to have weakened Al Qaeda
810
00:46:57.980 --> 00:47:00.560
but did not stop the spread of Jihad,
811
00:47:00.560 --> 00:47:03.560
the targeted assassination of Zarqawi and the defeat
812
00:47:03.560 --> 00:47:06.590
of his movement proved to be a temporary success.
813
00:47:07.474 --> 00:47:11.641
[man singing in foreign language]
814
00:47:12.965 --> 00:47:16.612
815
00:47:16.612 --> 00:47:19.500
[man singing in foreign language]
816
00:47:19.500 --> 00:47:21.680
817
00:47:21.680 --> 00:47:24.660
rose again out of its defeat in Iraq,
818
00:47:24.660 --> 00:47:27.853
seizing the opportunity of the Syrian Civil War.
819
00:47:28.930 --> 00:47:33.930
Under a new leadership, it grew in size, scope and ambition,
820
00:47:34.260 --> 00:47:37.990
reincarnated with a new name, Daesh,
821
00:47:37.990 --> 00:47:40.433
the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.
822
00:47:41.369 --> 00:47:43.272
[bomb explodes]
823
00:47:43.272 --> 00:47:46.640
[man singing in foreign language]
824
00:47:46.640 --> 00:47:48.400
825
00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:51.073
centered in Afghanistan and Pakistan,
826
00:47:53.210 --> 00:47:56.363
and there was Al Qaeda 2.0, Al Qaeda in Iraq.
827
00:47:58.510 --> 00:48:02.620
And now today ISIS, the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria,
828
00:48:02.620 --> 00:48:03.813
is Al Qaeda 3.0.
829
00:48:05.270 --> 00:48:08.700
It is the most successful terror organization in history,
830
00:48:08.700 --> 00:48:11.400
it controls a broader swath of territory
831
00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:14.000
than any terror organization ever has
832
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:16.640
in the history of the planet.
833
00:48:16.640 --> 00:48:19.980
And it is implementing Al Qaeda\'s core idea,
834
00:48:19.980 --> 00:48:22.090
it is establishing a caliphate
835
00:48:22.090 --> 00:48:25.243
within which sharia law is practiced.
836
00:48:25.243 --> 00:48:29.410
[man singing in foreign language]
837
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:40.730
838
00:48:40.730 --> 00:48:42.930
and now we find ourselves with ISIS,
839
00:48:42.930 --> 00:48:47.290
which probably will be defeated in time and then?
840
00:48:47.290 --> 00:48:49.830
It sounds to me like we are in a perpetual war.
841
00:48:49.830 --> 00:48:53.920
842
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:56.703
of some kind of perpetual war.
843
00:48:57.950 --> 00:49:02.850
I think that at least has to be within the spectrum
844
00:49:02.850 --> 00:49:06.563
of future scenarios.
845
00:49:08.290 --> 00:49:10.750
There\'s no question that a number
846
00:49:10.750 --> 00:49:13.720
of these different movements are going to be
847
00:49:13.720 --> 00:49:16.823
very difficult to defeat and keep defeated.
848
00:49:17.770 --> 00:49:20.243
849
00:49:21.310 --> 00:49:24.610
Aren\'t you worried about the price we pay as a society
850
00:49:24.610 --> 00:49:26.283
for this open-ended war?
851
00:49:27.640 --> 00:49:32.640
852
00:49:33.260 --> 00:49:35.140
we\'re engaged in at present
853
00:49:35.140 --> 00:49:38.083
and could be engaged in, in the future.
854
00:49:39.110 --> 00:49:44.110
I think we have to be sensitive to what the ramifications
855
00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:47.510
of that might be for our society,
856
00:49:47.510 --> 00:49:50.649
for our political processes.
857
00:49:50.649 --> 00:49:53.816
[helicopter whirring]
858
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859
00:50:04.430 --> 00:50:09.090
in Iraq, in Syria in particular right now
860
00:50:09.090 --> 00:50:11.783
with the millions of refugees that have been created.
861
00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:20.070
Until we can conceive of this war as a war of ideas,
862
00:50:20.070 --> 00:50:25.070
until we understand that we have to help Islamic governments
863
00:50:26.140 --> 00:50:30.320
provide the necessities of life but more importantly,
864
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:33.660
provide economic opportunity, education
865
00:50:33.660 --> 00:50:38.410
and a hope of a brighter future for their peoples,
866
00:50:38.410 --> 00:50:41.315
that this war can not be won.
867
00:50:41.315 --> 00:50:43.732
[soft music]
868
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:50.080
A whole lot of my friends have been killed in these wars,
869
00:50:50.080 --> 00:50:53.083
a whole lot of my friends have lost limbs and eyes, vision,
870
00:50:54.050 --> 00:50:56.433
their memories, their minds, their futures.
871
00:50:58.040 --> 00:50:59.800
What is so unbelievably frustrating
872
00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:02.610
is that so many of them died unnecessarily,
873
00:51:02.610 --> 00:51:07.260
and that the expenditure of their blood has resulted
874
00:51:07.260 --> 00:51:09.263
in so little progress in this war.
875
00:51:10.246 --> 00:51:11.450
[helicopter whirring]
876
00:51:11.450 --> 00:51:13.970
877
00:51:13.970 --> 00:51:16.883
left behind by war in the Middle East.
878
00:51:18.240 --> 00:51:21.040
But it\'s far more difficult to see the invisible
879
00:51:21.040 --> 00:51:22.543
wounds to our society.
880
00:51:23.853 --> 00:51:26.270
[soft music]
Distributor: Icarus Films
Length: 52 minutes
Date: 2022
Genre: Expository
Language: English / English subtitles
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Closed Captioning: Available
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