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Remember These Days
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For Walter Backerman, seltzer is more than a drink, it’s the embodiment of his family. As a third generation seltzer man, he follows the same route as his grandfather did decades ago, delivering hundreds of reusable antique seltzer bottles a week. But after 90 years of business, Walter may be the last seltzer man in New York.
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Main credits
Backerman, Walter (interviewee)
Maierson, Eric (film producer)
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Video and photography, Frederic Menou and Galen Clarke; interview, Galen Clarke; editor, Marian Liu; director of photography, Rick Gershon.
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New York City history, American studies, family issues, cultural studies, food industry; Expository; WOKeywords
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At one time, there were
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about a hundred seltzer
shops in New York City,
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maybe more.
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At one time, there were
thousands of seltzer men,
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maybe more.
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At one time, there were
millions and millions
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and millions of seltzer bottles,
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maybe more.
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Now, there’s
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a handful of seltzer men,
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and I think if I put ten
out that\'s too much.
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You probably will never see more
seltzer bottles in one spot than the
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7,000 right here.
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And the business is at best an anachronism.
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It\'s something that shouldn\'t exist.
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It\'s like looking at a dinosaur
walking down Manhattan.
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Remember These Days
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My canvas is my seltzer bottles.
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I work them,
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I mold them,
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I create them, I fix them, I
buff them, I polish them,
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and then I deliver them.
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My ears are so sensitive
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to the sound of the squirting,
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I could tell you if a tube is broke inside.
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It\'s like someone who knows
how to tune a piano.
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People are relying on you.
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If I had to walk on a handtruck
from here to Manhattan,
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I might end up doing that
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because you feel the sense of obligation.
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My kid was born,
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I came to the emergency
room when Joey was born,
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and my wife will tell you,
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she was going through labor pains
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and I said Zila I wished
you had the baby already
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because I need to get to the route.
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She kicked him out. It
was 5 in the morning.
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I said, Oh, he\'s a cute baby.
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I gave Joey a kiss.
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They cleaned him up
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and I said look, I\'ll see you later.
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But that’s a seltzer man.
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You’re devoted no matter what.
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I was born to a father
who was a seltzer man
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and also I am the grandson
of a seltzer man.
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My grandfather Jake had a
horse and wagon in 1919,
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so this business is over 90 years old.
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In those years, there were no phones.
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People couldn\'t call you.
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When they wanted a delivery,
you would call out the window,
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Mr. Seltzer man, bring
me up a case of seltzer
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and that\'s how you knew they needed it.
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So, it\'s Mrs. Schwartz in apartment 2B
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or Mrs. Mandifredi in apartment 5C
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and you put the case up and
you walked it up there.
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A cases of these bottles
filled weighs 70 pounds.
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Hello?
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It’s the Seltzer man.
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Yeah, OK.
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You put that on your shoulder,
you walk up four flights,
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you do that two, three times in a row,
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your body is tired.
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You got beautiful for me,
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wide awake.
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Wide awake, I was just lying down.
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You know, when I came here, your
husband was unfortunately died,
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but I liked him.
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He looked forward, I used to sleep.
He would–
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I would get there 6:30 in the
morning, her husband was smiling.
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Good morning, good to see you.
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He was a...
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Good guy, yeah.
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Great guy.
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He was a great guy, yeah.
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Then, I got your daughter’s bottles now,
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down in Tribeca.
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Well, glad I can be part
of your life still.
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Yes, yes.
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I’m glad to see you too.
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We live in a different world now.
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We live in a society that
accepts disposability.
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You go to a store, buy a plastic bottle,
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fill a landfill.
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Like my kids, they get a phone now,
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then they want another phone.
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They want the fastest,
slickest, newest, best.
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What I offer for people is an option.
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It\'s called stability.
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Sometimes, old is better.
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There are things that were meant to last.
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In the 1950’s, when I was a child,
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my father made three to
four hundred dollars a week
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which was like the equivalent
of $4,000 a week now.
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It\'s a funny thing about my father,
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he never was particularly fond
of being the seltzer man.
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He never was proud of it.
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My route, it retraces the steps
that my grandfather took.
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I have echoes in my brain.
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I feel my grandfather going up the stairs,
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and it\'s weird how life
is imitating the past.
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It’s almost like déjà vu,
I\'ve been there before.
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The last conversation I ever
had with my grandfather,
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he was 95 years of age.
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I said,
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Grandpa Jake,
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I want to know what it was like to
be a seltzer man in those years.
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And he said to me,
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it was a hard way to make a living.
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I wish you’d do something else.
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I was out of college. I
was 20 years of age.
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I was about to start law
school in the fall.
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And then a weird thing happened.
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I was traveling all around Europe
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and then finally when I landed
- your father almost died.
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He collapsed going up the stairs.
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He had emphysema
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and it\'s hard for him to do the route.
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I told my father, you know something,
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I’m not going to start law school now.
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I\'m going to take a leave for six months.
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I\'m going to give you a hand until
you get your strength back.
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Six months became six years.
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Six years became 37 years
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and now instead of being a 21-year-old kid
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with the world ahead of him
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I\'m a 59-year-old man
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looking back at my life in retrospect,
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not regretting anything I did.
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Alright, bye bye now.
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Bad economy, good economy.
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Recession, depression, frustration.
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It doesn’t matter.
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People will still buy seltzer.
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I have people telling me, Look,
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I need your seltzer.
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It\'s my medicine.
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I\'d rather not go to the hairdresser
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or buy any new clothes but
I\'m not giving you up.
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I am so happy that people want what I have.
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At the end of the day, because of you,
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numerous people were made happy.
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My father used to say,
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Once you are a seltzer
man, anything will be easy
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because you know you\'re going to be
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the order taker, the bottle fixer,
the deliverer, the accountant.
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When you\'re done at the end of the day,
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you have some money to pay the bills.
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But it’s never that you get
really ahead of yourself.
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I have to keep working
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because I don\'t see any point in time
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where I just lay back and
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go on vacation like other people do.
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This is the life I’ve chosen.
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My father on his deathbed,
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he\'s under medication.
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He\'s being sedated.
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So it’s just trying to make
him comfortable at the end.
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You know, I remember I
bought on his birthday,
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June first, a Father\'s Day card.
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And then by Father\'s Day he was gone.
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And, I looked at the card,
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and I said, my God,
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I want to bring it to my father.
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But, you know, I want to bring it to him.
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And I don\'t know the address to heaven.
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And then I looked at the card,
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and I put it down and I
said, you know what,
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You will never be forgotten.
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Because as long as I got a bottle to sell
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and that route and people
who care about me,
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I\'ll never forget it because
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you may have hated the route
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but we\'ll never forget you.
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I feel that I have the obligation
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to take these bottles and preserve them.
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They’re as valuable as the
pictures of my ancestors.
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Old seltzer men back in the days,
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you\'ll see their names etched in here.
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It\'s almost their tombstone.
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It\'s a monument to these people,
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to their legacy.
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I mean here’s a seltzer bottle. I mean,
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there\'s a horse and wagon on the etching.
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J. Z. Joseph Zelman.
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Look at the bottle how
smooth it is from age.
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This is timeworn.
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This is beautiful.
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Here\'s a bottle that\'s on my route.
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It\'s a horse-drawn wagon,
like my grandfather.
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My God, this bottle has survived 90 years.
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It was used by people. By my
mother when she was a baby.
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Give me a few minutes, I\'ll buff it up.
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I refit it.
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I put it on the route,
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and then, you know what?
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I don\'t care if it\'s someone with
the last nickel in their pocket,
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or a billionaire.
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As long as they enjoy these bottles,
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I feel that my grandfather
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and his legacy is preserved
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and I feel that my father
also is remembered.
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And that everyday that this
product is enjoyed by people,
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it pays tribute to them.
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I have no plans to retire.
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It\'s the furthest thing from my mind.
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I have plans to go and work tomorrow,
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work the next day, work in
5 years, work in 20 years.
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I would hope that I could
just keep working.
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Whenever the day might be that I
fill my last bottle of seltzer,
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I don\'t know what\'s going
to happen behind me.
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I don\'t know if there will
be anyone to fill my void.
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I don’t think it will be my kids.
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I don\'t know if that\'s in the cards.
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But, you know, if they choose to pursue it,
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they certainly got enough bottles to use.
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If that’s their choice.
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And I hope one day down the road,
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even if my kids are not seltzer men,
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and they, all they have is a few
bottles from my father to remember
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the route, and us and these days.
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My kids, both of them
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will say, I remember my father
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and he made me into what I am today
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and I\'ll never forget him.