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911, Thomson Listen.

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Get a cop out here, I’m hurt.

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Ma’am, you need police for rescue.

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Send two or three cops down here,
there’s a maniac in the house.

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Okay, Ma’am. Okay, you need
a… What’s your address?

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(inaudible). Okay, listen to me, okay?
Take a deep breath, okay?

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Whom are you having a problem with? Ma’am.
Whom are you having a problem with?

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I don’t know but please, please, help me! Okay.
Listen to me, ma’am. Who is… Please hurry!

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Will you listen… Will you
listen to me, please?

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Every month, when he’d bring
his check in they’d blow it.

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They didn’t have no money to pay a mortgage. Five
hundred dollars a month mortgage and he’d say,

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\"Granny, you got any money
till I get my next check?

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I’ll pay you back.\" I’d let him have it.

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I gave him two $500.00 checks at one
time that I’d saved. Two at one time.

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And I’d say now Bill go pay that mortgage

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and what change, I said bring it back.
He come back drinking,

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I never did see it. I never
have seen any of my money.

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It sounded like pretty much from the
start there was problems with that,

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not only with her government check being
misused. They would drive her to the bank,

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they would have her cash it, they would immediately,
you know, go buy things, but not things for Mary.

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She was doing primarily the housework from
what it sounds like, was doing the cooking

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for the family and was really taking care of
them, instead of them taking care of her,

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she felt very, I think she
felt lucky in the sense

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that she didn’t want to be at a nursing
home, so she felt like she was lucky

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to have her things and be kind
of out in the real world and

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so she did whatever she could
to make that family work… umm…

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make that situation work. I had to get
along (inaudible) and then say nothing.

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Mary had told me that they had gone,
she had gone on a regular basis

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to put some of her umm… government check in
to a burial policy, so that when she passed,

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everything will be taken care of. I was
trying to save a little bit a month

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because I was paying on my funeral bill.

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You know, I’d give her money… I’d give
her money to go in there and pay it.

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And she’d go in there and she’d come back

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and I’d say this to her, I’d say, \"Did they give you a
receipt?\" She’d say, \"No, they don’t give a receipt.\"

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Well, that went on.

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The next month came and I
gave her some more money

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and I’d say, \"Did you get a
receipt?\" She said, \"No.\"

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I said, \"They don’t give no receipt in there.\"
The third time I gave her some money,

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she went and come too fast, too quick.
She went and come back quick.

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I said, well, that was a quick going and coming
and she said, \"Yes, there wasn’t nobody there

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\"so I just opened the door I walked in there and
put the money on the desk and come on out.\"

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That’s when I caught her. But I didn’t
say anything. I didn’t say a word.

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One of the things that I become aware of

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in my work with elder abuse victims is that

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where there is financial
exploitation going on

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and this is certainly a… a
situation where there was

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ongoing misuse of the elder’s money

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and assets, and that was going
on for a very long time.

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Typically in these cases
what we find is that

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while the financial exploitation

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might become obvious if someone is
really looking at it, what’s not obvious

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is that there will be
power and control issues

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that come in as whoever
is doing the exploitation

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seeks to gain more and more control over
the elder’s assets. And that’s where

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you start seeing physical
violence, sexual violence

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things escalate as in domestic
violence of all kinds.

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Family violence against
elders is domestic violence

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and the powering control issues are
always there. Okay, listen to me, okay?

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Take a deep breath, okay? Whom are you having a problem
with? Ma’am. Whom are you having a problem with?

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I don’t know but please, please, help me!
Listen to me, ma’am. Who is…

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Please hurry! Will you listen… Will you listen to
me, please? You said it’s a maniac in your house.

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Who’s in your house? Well, he’s in the
house. He’s hurt me. I’m bleeding!

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Send two or three. Please hurry!

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Please hurry!

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And I went to go see her, she was already
in umm… her hospital room at that point,

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they had transferred her
from the emergency room.

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She umm… just look so tiny and frail in the
hospital bed, I remember thinking that

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she only took up a third of the
hospital bed and umm… she was…

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had so many bruises on her. I hadn’t seen
anybody with that many bruises before,

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umm… all that her arms
and legs and… and her…

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she had gauze everywhere and there was… It was just…
It was really hard to walk in there and to see her.

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You know, it was done at night,

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late on a Sunday afternoon
about six o’clock.

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And it went on till two o’clock on in the morning,
on Monday morning, till two o’clock Monday morning.

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It went on that long. It wasn’t just
an hour or two and then it stopped.

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He yanked me around that long.

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And I was black and blue here and
had a rib cracked back here.

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He was so drunk. And, that’s when he
said, \"I’m going to rub you down.\"

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He said, \"I’m going to
rub you down tonight,\"

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and he just went a scrubbing
on me, all over me.

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And I bent over that way and
I said, \"Don’t, Bill, quit,\"

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and he got worse and worse and he jerked me up and he rubbed
me. I tried to say something to put him off, you know,

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and so I say, \"There’s
somebody at the door, Bill.\"

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And he jerked me up out of my chair
and he carried me to the door, too.

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Of course, there wasn’t nobody at the door.
And he grabbed me up

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and went pulled me in on
his bed and raped me.

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He drug me back out and came and
threw me back into the house.

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I hurt my ankle down there.

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He stepped on my foot I guess, I
don’t know what happened to it.

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He kept on dragging me around in there.

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I said \"Bill, I got to go to the bathroom.\"
He wouldn’t turn me loose. He wouldn’t.

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He kept hold of me. I says, \"I
got to go to the bathroom.\"

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So he opened the bathroom door
and I went in the bathroom

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and he followed me in there, had
a hold on me and I sat down.

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And he, I hate to say this, but it’s the truth.
That’s what you all want is the truth. Yeah.

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He rubbed his thing all in my face. His
penis, he rubbed it all in my face.

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And, I told him, I said, \"I
won’t go back in that room.\"

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He drug me back into the room

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and I sat down, he shoved me down. He
had a hold of my hands and he drug me.

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From there, he drug me out
through the back door,

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opening the back glass
door and I cut my hand.

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I must have cut my hand on the door,

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when he drug me through there.

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Eighteen stitches and there
was two in my ankle.

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And he drug me out there and I told him-He
says, \"I’m going to the little house,

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I got some beer out there.\" He
says, \"I got two more beers.\"

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I said, \"Well, you go get the
beer and I’ll help you drink it.\"

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You know, I was just telling him that to make him turn
me loose. He said, \"No, I’m going to carry you with me.\"

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He said, \"I’m going to kill you anyhow.
I’m going to kill you before daylight.\"

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And he told me that dragging me,
and dragging me, and dragging me,

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\"I’m going to kill you before daylight,
nobody won’t know who done it.\"

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So he drug me off the back porch,
down the door steps, barefooted,

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I just had my night clothes on,

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down to the little house, and back dragging me. And I
cut my knee across here, on something out in the yard,

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it had grass and gravel all in it.

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And I got back in the house,

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he slammed me down and he take his fingers

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and put it by my nose and twisted it
around. And my face was black and blue.

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My hands was all cut up.

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And he says, \"Well, it’s time to go to bed.\" I
said, \"Well, you go in there and go to bed, Bill.\"

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And he said, \"No!\" He drug me in my room,

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and he got in my bed and he
didn’t have no clothes on.

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He told me to get up there
in the bed with him.

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I said, \"I’m not getting up there.\"

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And he laid down and put
his back in my bed.

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My bed was about like this.

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So I was trying to find a
way to get away from him.

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So he lay down and I felt him when he give

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and I drug my hand out from under
him, where he had a hold of it

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and I went in there and I called 911.

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I said, \"There’s a maniac in the house,\"
and I said, \"He’s just about kill me.\"

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I said, \"I’m bleeding to death.\" You know, so
they came out and they found him in my bed,

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and they got him up and put the
handcuffs on him, put him in the car.

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I will never forget the day that case

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in the office because earlier in the…
in the year and the previous year

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we’d had a… a 67-year-old victim
assaulted by a family member

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and a 78-year-old victim
assaulted by her natural son.

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And in this business when you’re working
and this kind of, especially crimes of… of

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domestic violence and… and sexual
abuse, everyday you think,

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you know, that tops that you’ll never hear anything
that worse and then this file comes in with Lisa

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with 96-year-old victim assaulted by her 38

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or 37-year-old grandson. I think
that the exploitation was going on,

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uh… clearly there was emotional
abuse going on where

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she was pretty much the servant and

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her wishes were being ignored and there
were expectations that she would

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basically work for Susan and Lloyd
John, who is also known as Billy.

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Umm… And I just see

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the situation escalating and escalating
in pretty much a classic sort of sense.

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Now all of a sudden, Billy rapes Mary

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and it seems like something
that came out of the blue,

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but when you start really digging
into what else was doing on,

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it’s not quite so out of the blue,
it’s shocking and that it had a sexual

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aspect of it, but…

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but not so shocking when you think of it, it
is part of this whole package of exploitation

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and abuse I think that was going on.

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We were concerned with (inaudible) age that

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we would lose her as a witness and
essentially (inaudible) some doctors

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and some patrol officers that came on the scene after
the assault was over, she was the only witness.

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And we wanted to make sure and hold Lloyd
John is accountable for what had happened,

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so we really… really rushed it through and, in
fact, I did a couple of motions to put it up

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on the court docket to kind a… skip
everything else that was ahead of it.

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We were very… very concerned that other family members
would come in and to sway her from testifying

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or convince her that it didn’t really happened
or… or that something that would happen,

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so I think when you hear Ashley
talk, she will actually call

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uh… Miss Mary JD and that’s because
we initially had her as (inaudible)

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that’s how we had her at the facility that she was
at and I believe is still where she is staying

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umm… and we had just a very few people that we were allowed
to see her, so we’re extremely concerned about her safety.

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Pretty much immediately the family
didn’t believe her or support her

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that was very shocking to me. I think it just
sounded like it was just an initial disbelief

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that they couldn’t believe that this happened, but nobody ever came
to see her in her emergency umm… I’m sorry, in her hospital room.

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If they had come, see her in her hospital room, they
would’ve see in that Mary didn’t make up this attack,

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I mean, she was bruised from head to toe, umm…
very weak and lethargic when I first met her.

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And we were very afraid that they
would umm… be able to, you know,

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go in there, you know, under the… you know,
pretense of visiting her as family members and

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possibly, you know, pressure her into not
cooperating with us and to not continuing,

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you know, with the… with the
prosecution, so we… I still call her JD,

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I don’t think I ever really called her Miss McCauley,
but everyone at the nursing home refers her as JD.

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The victim’s son was the father of

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the perpetrator umm… and there was
one occasion where the father

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uh… and his wife went to the nursing home,

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her son did not cooperate with
our investigation and, in fact,

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testify for the defense. Umm…

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so was… was an issue at least once where they
went without our knowledge and the nursing home

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put in safety plan as it was and didn’t
allow no confirm that she was there.

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Going into the court, I mean, it is divided on two sides
and, you know, everyone that was pretty much against her

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was on one side and then everyone that
was for her was on the other side.

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Sadly, the people that were for… for her were the people
that she had met after this had happened, it was, you know,

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her advocate, it was Nanci, it was people from our
office that were there that had an interest in the case

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that believes her that… that they ever there to show
their support for her because it was so against her.

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Umm… We… Actually, you
know, because of her age

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and because of her umm… I guess poor eye sighted,
I don’t know, another way to say that umm…

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typically, you know, being an advocate, the judge will allow,
you know, you to sit in the front row so that the person

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want, you know, the victim when the other testifying can see
(inaudible), so that they’re not having to look at the defendant,

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they have someone that they’re comfortable with, that they
have a report with to focus on, someone that, you know,

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makes them feel comfortable, that’s there for
them. Umm… In this case, we had to get permission

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from Judge Cole to because, you
know, JD could not see, you know,

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very far at all umm… to where I sat
up right next to the jury box.

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Umm… They… We actually had to bring her
in, get her situated and then, you know,

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I sat down and then… then they brought the jury in, so the jury didn’t
know who I was that was, it not was any kind of influence on them

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that, you know, her advocates here
anything like that. It was just for her

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so that if she needed something, if she, you
know, became, you know, scared or upset

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or whatever. You know, I’d worked with her and… and Nanci
had worked with her so much that we’re close enough to her

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that she felt comfortable with us, so she was okay with us
being there and we were basically like to support for her.

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I don’t think that either one of Nanci
or Ashley will take credit for this,

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so I want to say a large part of that
is because of the extreme interest

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that these two ladies and other people have taken
in this woman’s life. I know that Ashley spend

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at least one Thanksgiving with her. I think
Ashley went and dressed her and did her hair for…

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umm… for the actual trial.
And as attorneys,

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that is not something I can be quite honest
that I would have the time or the Billy to do,

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but again, it made all the difference in the
world because When Miss McCauley came to me,

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she was comfortable and she trusted
me because Ashley said I was okay,

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and you can’t put a price on that. The trial took
eight days, which is incredibly long for this state

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where we have full discovery, it is very unusual
for a criminal trial to take that kind of time

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especially in light of the fact that they want
wasn’t a particularly big trial, they weren’t

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a whole lot of witnesses, but as I
mentioned before umm… defense counsel was

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rather were both and just
some of the things that

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we had to do again to accommodate
Miss McCauley to take sometime.

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Any sex case you have, you try to
conduct a medical examination,

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we did, I think we had to try a couple
of times for her because her legs were

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very bruised and swollen
and so they couldn’t umm…

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conduct a medical exam right
away, so that took a little bit

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uh… little bit of time, but once that
was established that was I guess

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what I felt was a kind of big piece of evidence
that… that help support her allegation.

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She did have a tear in her vaginal
area umm… which for obvious reasons

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I think was extremely important to
our case and being able to prove it

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um… and it was in such as
place that even if a person

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was using some kind of lupus sponge
or something that was abrasive,

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they would not even cleaning themselves really
give themselves that… which that was the defenses

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that she had somehow done this to herself,
dealing herself a bath or a shower.

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We took a lot of pictures of other crime scene, I
didn’t actually go to the crime scene, but the…

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For her to pick out points like one specific
example was when he took her sock off

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in the specific bedroom, she pointed that out
in the photos that she starts looking at them

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and she would give a little bit more
description of what happened in each room umm…

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and I mean, he dragged her out of the
chair, there was always bruising

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and scrapes on her ankles umm… you know,
that just help collaborate her story.

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The medical testimony was incredibly…
incredibly supportive in this case,

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Dr. Allison Barfield umm… testified as

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to the abrasions and the outer
injuries and her testimony was just,

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if I had to pick one thing obviously
Miss McCauley, but one thing outside of

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Miss McCauley’s testimony, Judge Allison Barfield’s
testimony was just, we in fact, recalled her

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at the end of the case because it was so long,
Adair and I decided, we don’t want the jury to

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forget about this really good stuff which is
she had whatever equivalent to finger marks

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where he had grabbed her umm… and he gave
a story where she had fallen of the porch

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and that’s why she had the wrist
laceration and… and the ankle laceration,

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and he had gently picked her up almost like
an infant way and taken her in the house

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and Dr. Barfield was like no way
you would get these two grip marks

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on her upper arm area if
that’s what if happened.

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Cheyenne and I had actually gone out to the
scene by just the two of us at one point

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towards right before the trial was about
to begin to take pictures and ourselves

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look at the stairs, so that we could have a
better way to explain to the jury looking at this

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there is no way these injuries could have happened.
I would think listening to us talk about

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all the evidence and everything about Miss
Mary, he would think, my gosh, (inaudible),

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this is the case. This is one of the most difficult
cases umm… I have ever tried if not the most difficult.

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They brought in various family
members to basically say

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that was she hallucinated
in the past, she is a liar.

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Also, there was a friend of the
family that came in and testified

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to some sort of conversation between
the defendant and Miss Mary,

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where he had… The defendant had
supposedly threaten to put

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Miss Mary in a nursing home because that’s a
giant point that was a great fear of Mary’s

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in an unfortunate consequence of this case
umm… that she ended up in a nursing home,

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but Mary had supposedly
made some statement like

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\"I… I will do anything to stay out of the
nursing home and the area of the defense was

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that’s what this was… was a giant concussion
of Mary’s mind to stay out of a nursing home

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which was actually ridiculous because that’s how she
ended up in the nursing home, but that was one aspect to

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umm… another aspect of defense
tactic was again that

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she was mentally unstable and they brought in,
somebody say she was seeing her dead husband

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at some point way in the past,
I… I think all of that was…

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I think the jury probably discounted all of that because having
Miss Mary there, it was very clear that that wasn’t the case.

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Her hearing, I obviously have a very loud
voice and made an effort to really amplify,

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but the defense tried to use
that against her and I think

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intentionally talked at a low level to make Miss
McCauley seem confused and like she didn’t know

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what she was talking about and it was very frustrating
to sit and watch because I had nothing to do

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other than she is 96-year-old and she
can’t hear as well. What Cheyenne did and

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what the, you know, attorneys who prosecute
these cases often different children and…

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and aged victim is they moved
closer with concern of the court

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and move closure to them provided
just a little bit more, maybe

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physical support I think closer,
well, the tactic of (inaudible)

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and moved farther away and it
was… it was excruciating to watch

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and was probably 15 or 20 feet
away from her as Cheyenne said,

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with the apparent purpose of
making her look incompetent

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umm… and to demonstrate to the jury
that she was not a good witness.

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Just because of… of the tactics
ever used, how long it went,

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we were very worried that the
jury was gonna let him go and…

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and I think one of the things you have to understand in
dealing with these types of cases more than anything is

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what are the great obstacles we come in
contact with… with a jury is the first thing

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you have to get them over is the concept
that something like this could happen.

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Juries don’t ever wanna believe that
sexual abuse happens, but put that aside

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a grandson on a grandmother, and that
is a huge obstacle that you face,

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you start back on a case like this not
rather than on an even plain field.

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And there is a lot of legal state for the
state to prove a motive like an arm robbery,

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but jury… you know, like all of us wanna know why
and what makes it difficult the case like it,

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to wrap your hair around this case is…
is the age difference and her frailty

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and that to get beyond the misconception

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that sex cases about sex and lust and
whatever that is about power of control.

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I think that the only thing that Cheyenne and
I really could do was just from the outside,

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explain to the jury again and again and again
that’s not our job and that we can’t get motive,

00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:44.999
we just simply, we could not tell you why he did
this. We have no idea and you have to accept

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that that something that we can’t do. And, you know,
when you ask before are we worried about the verdicts,

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well, when I spend 20 minutes including
arguments saying, we cannot tell you

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why he did this and I say see these
blank stares coming back at me.

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Of course, we’re worried about the verdicts. I think
they were… The jury was out for eight or nine hours

00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:09.999
something it was a long… long time and
when we finally came down for the verdict

00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:14.999
Adair and I sat down and the last thing I said when the judge
said the verdict is in order and clerk got ready to publish it,

00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:19.999
I turned to Adair and said, \"Do
you think I should pull the jury,

00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:24.999
meaning we’re gonna get a not guilty,
should I make every juror say

00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:29.999
their… their verdict that was the last… and she
said, no, don’t do it, let’s get out of here

00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:34.999
and then I was… I was actually absolutely (inaudible)
that that we got, I mean, I was actually

00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:39.999
so happy for Miss McCauley even more than any
other case I’ve been in and I was just like

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justice has been served in this case
and it was a really long and argues

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task for every single person involved.

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[music]

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911, Thomson. Listen.

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[sil.]

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Get a cop out here, I’m hurt.
Ma’am, you need police for rescue.

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[sil.]

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Send two or three cops down here, there’s a maniac in the
house. Okay, ma’am. Okay, you need a… What’s your address?

00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:24.999
(inaudible). Okay, listen to me, okay?

00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:29.999
Take a deep breath, okay? Whom are you having a problem
with? Ma’am. Whom are you having a problem with?

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I don’t know but please, please, help me!
Listen to me, ma’am. Who is…

00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:39.999
Please hurry! Will you listen…
Will you listen to me, please?

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You said it’s a maniac in your house. Who’s
in your house? Well, he’s in the house.

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He’s hurt me. I’m bleeding!
Send two or three.

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Please hurry! Please hurry!

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And I went to go see her, she was already
in umm… her hospital room at that point,

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they had transferred her
from the emergency room.

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She umm… just look so tiny and frail

00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.999
in the hospital bed, I remember thinking that
she only took up a third of the hospital bed

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and umm… she was… had
so many bruises on her.

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I hadn’t seen anybody with that many bruises
before, umm… all that her arms and legs and…

00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:49.999
and her… she had gauze everywhere
and there was… It was just…

00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:54.999
It was really hard to walk
in there and to see her.

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You know, it was done at night, late on
a Sunday afternoon about six o’clock.

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And it went on till two o’clock on
in the morning, on Monday morning,

00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:09.999
till two o’clock Monday morning.
It went on that long.

00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:14.999
It wasn’t just an hour or two and then it
stopped. He yanked me around that long.

00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:19.999
And I was black and blue here and
had a rib cracked back here.

00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:24.999
And he was so drunk.

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And, that’s when he said,
\"I’m going to rub you down,\"

00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:34.999
he said, \"I’m going to rub you down tonight\"
and he just went a scrubbing on me,

00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:39.999
all over me. And I bent over that way
and I said, \"Don’t, Bill, quit,\"

00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:44.999
and he got worse and worse
and he jerked me up.

00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:49.999
And he rubbed me. I tried to say
something to put him off, you know,

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and so I say, \"There’s
somebody at the door, Bill\"

00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:59.999
and he jerked me up out of my chair and
he carried me to the door, to see.

00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:04.999
Of course there wasn’t nobody at the door. And he grabbed
me up and went pulled me in on his bed and raped me.

00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:09.999
He drug me back out

00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:14.999
and came and threw me back into the house.

00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:19.999
I hurt my ankle down there.

00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:24.999
He stepped on my foot I guess, I
don’t know what happened to it.

00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:29.999
He kept on dragging me around in there. I
said \"Bill, I got to go to the bathroom.\"

00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:34.999
He wouldn’t turn me loose. He wouldn’t.
He kept hold of me.

00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:39.999
I says, \"I got to go to the bathroom.\"
So he opened the bathroom door

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and I went in the bathroom and he followed me
in there, had a hold on me and I sat down.

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And he, I hate to say
this, but it’s the truth,

00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:54.999
that’s what you all want is the truth.
Yeah. He rubbed his thing all in my face.

00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:59.999
His penis, he rubbed it all in my face.

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And, I told him, I said, \"I
won’t go back in that room.\"

00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:09.999
He drug me back into the room and
I sat down, he shoved me down.

00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:14.999
He had a hold of my hands and he drug me,

00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:19.999
from there, he drug me out
through the back door,

00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:24.999
over the back glass door and I cut my hand.

00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:29.999
I must have cut my hand on the door,
when he drug me through there.

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Eighteen stitches and there
was two in my ankle.

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And he drug me out there and I told him-

00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:44.999
He says, \"I’m going to the little
house, I got some beer out there.\"

00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:49.999
He says, \"I got two more beers.\" I
said, \"Well, you go get the beer

00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:54.999
and I’ll help you drink it.\" I was just telling
him that, you know, make him turn me loose.

00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:59.999
He said, \"No, I’m going
to carry you with me.\"

00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:04.999
He said, \"I’m going to kill you anyhow. He
said, I’m going to kill you before daylight.\"

00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:09.999
He told me that dragging me, and dragging me, and dragging me, \"I’m
going to kill you before daylight, nobody won’t know who done it.\"

00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:14.999
So he drug me off the back porch,
down the door steps, barefooted,

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I just had my night clothes on,

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down to the little house,
and back dragging me.

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And I cut my knee across here,
on something out in the yard.

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It had grass and gravel all in it.

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And I got back in the house, he slammed
me down and he took his fingers

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and put it by my nose
and twisted it around.

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My face was black and blue.
My hands were all cut up.

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And he says, \"Well, it’s
time to go to bed.\"

00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:59.999
I said, \"Well, you go in there and
go to bed, Bill.\" And he said, \"No!\"

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He drug me in my room,

00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:09.999
and he got in my bed and he
didn’t have no clothes on.

00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:14.999
He told me to get up there in the bed with
him. I said, \"I’m not getting up there.\"

00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:19.999
And he laid down and put
his back in my bed.

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My bed was about like this.

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And so I was trying to find
a way to get away from him.

00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:34.999
So, he lay down and I felt him when he give

00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:39.999
and I drug my hand out from under him,

00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:44.999
where he had a hold of it and I
went in there and I called 911.

00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:49.999
I said, \"There’s a maniac in the house,\"

00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:54.999
and I said, \"He’s just about killed
me.\" I said, \"I’m bleeding to death.\"

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And so they came out and
they found him in my bed,

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and they got him up and put the
handcuffs on him, put him in the car.

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[sil.]

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The funeral director himself had been closely
following the case through the newspapers

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and I believed during
the week of the trial,

00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:34.999
he says Susan came in and cashed out
that policy. To my understanding,

00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:39.999
the policy was actually in
Susan’s name on behalf of Mary.

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And therefore, legally, she would
have the right to cash it out

00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:49.999
morally its reprehensible, but apparently
legally she had the right to do that.

00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:54.999
She really trusted Susan umm… in fact,

00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:59.999
Susan appears to have been the person
that Mary was closest in her life.

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I think that she felt like

00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:09.999
not only was that another
violation, but that was

00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:14.999
a huge part of her dignity and that she was going to
be able to have her final wishes respected in that way

00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:19.999
and to find that the… even
the people were saying

00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:25.000
what she wanted, you know, what her wishes
were for the end of her life were just gone.

00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.999
The practical aspect of how you maneuver

00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:39.999
at the title (inaudible) she was
97, I believe a 97-year-old victim

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with medical issues through the system

00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:49.999
and what we had to do I… I
think first of all if you try,

00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:54.999
you had an incredible team here
who adapted their perspective

00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:59.999
to see it from the victim’s
perspective as an elderly person

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and the practical aspects of that or
he have to provide the transportation,

00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:09.999
we brought her personal vehicle van
that would accommodate wheelchair,

00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:14.999
the victim actually myself
several tanks of oxygen

00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:19.999
umm… to get her in… to move her
in and out of the courthouse

00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:24.999
to provide a safe quiet place for her

00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:29.999
to (inaudible) testimony umm… or
to take up we had a lunch break

00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:34.999
to provide food for her that was within
both her… her dietary restrictions

00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:39.999
and that we bring her some pleasure.

00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:44.999
Umm… The power control issues as Nanci talks about
therapeutically that you’re trying to help a victim

00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:49.999
restore a simple as

00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:54.999
spacing her before you move that wheelchair.
Mary, we’re gonna turn you left here,

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we’re gonna get on the elevator. If you see from her perspective
a seat and a wheelchair, you get all crowded elevator

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and a busy courthouse, she is
going to be, you know, hip high

00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:09.999
to everybody else in the elevator, so you either clear the
elevator out or you ask before, you know, you create room.

00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:14.999
Prior to the assault, she umm… needed

00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:19.999
oxygen occasionally, it was
there, she would go kind of

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take a couple of puffs on the oxygen tank and then go about
her daily routine of cleaning, cooking that sort of thing.

00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:29.999
After the assault, she became
dependent on the oxygen fulltime

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umm… really as a direct
result of the assault

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umm… and when we were their positions,
the particular defense counsel

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was excruciatingly detailed and umm…

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we had to break the depot up
into two different uh… sessions

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because I was frankly concerned about that she was gonna run
out of oxygen, I mean, she was literally in physically danger

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and, you know, that there is a needle you can watch
it, it was going down and so we had to break it up

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and do it in two separate sessions and that
actually happened on when she was testifying

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in the actual trial as well. Ashley, you can correct
me if I am wrong, but I’m pretty sure she gave Ashley

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the high sign because I missed it. I
think she was giving hand signals

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and I was not comprehending what she was trying to
tell me, now I remember Ashley going like oxygen.

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She needs it, and that’s when I asked for
the recess because I didn’t really realized

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umm… what was going on if… if Ashley hadn’t
been right there… there could’ve been some

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really bad consequences to… to
the whole situation. Yeah, just…

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I don’t think you can stress enough how, I wish that
we, and we could, we just need to make a priority

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to make the system flexible enough to
accommodate these kinds of victims.

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Because of the injuries that Mary sustained

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during her assault and, you know,
her age and her fragility,

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and she is now in a position I think that she would
need to be in a nursing home, no matter what.

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And one of the things that she did not want to
do was want up in a nursing home in a facility

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and so that from… from the
physical and emotional standpoint,

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umm… she was in her worst case scenario

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after becoming a victim. She will
have pain for the rest of her life

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in the areas of her body that were affected by
the assault and talks about that at every visit

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when I see her and so I think at
this point the nursing home is…

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is, you know, the best option for her and
really it’s the only option for her.

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Most of her family members
or her children are

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because she is in her late 90s are also, you know,
in their elder years and unable to care for her

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in the way that she needs to be care for
now. One of the complications in her healing

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was that for… for most victims

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while the sexual assault experience is a
very powerless and helpless experience.

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Afterwards uh… advocates and loved ones

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mobilized to help the victim
regain control of her life

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and that simply did… didn’t and couldn’t

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happen in this case because Miss
Mary had to go as John said

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to the place of her greatest nightmare to a
nursing home and it’s a very good nursing home

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and they have taken great care of her, but it is a
nursing home. She hasn’t shows in to live there.

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She didn’t even have the opportunity
to choose the nursing home and

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so she had no control of her where she lives
then, people are still doing things to her body

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in care giving her that
are not of her choice

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and that has been a huge complication
in her long term healing from it.

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She has done very well and she has
healed emotionally and physically

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far beyond what I ever believe she could,

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but there is that chronic
inability to regain

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control of her life and her body that I
think for me has been one of the most

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painful things to
participated in, in a case.

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Pretty much right from the beginning

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umm… Mary wanted to see the photos that were
taken of her and it was a very important for her

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to not only see them, but she wanted a copy.
And all my time of being an advocate,

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nobody had ever wanted to see their pictures and I’m
sure Nanci will speak to her experience with that,

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but if they looked at their pictures,
it was just a onetime very quickly

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leaping through. And for Mary, it
seemed more like a validation for her.

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I think the whole situation was so
shocking in that first week I saw her

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everyday in the hospital, she was
in peer shock that… that first week

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and so for her, I think after time and gone by
and looking at those pictures, she was like,

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yes, this really happened to me. I’m not making this
up, especially because the family was so insistent

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that this should not happen, that… that really
helped her to realize that it did happen.

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One day I was visiting Mary and

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she said, you know, I would like… \"I want
a scrapbook. Will you get a scrapbook?\"

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And I said, \"Well, sure, what do you…
You know what kind of scrapbook?

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What you wanted for ‘cause I didn’t know what
size to get and whatever.\" And she said,

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\"Well, I want to put all the
pictures umm… and these are

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all the pictures of the crime
scene and the pictures

00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:04.999
that were taken of her injuries
the night of the assault

00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:09.999
and she want… She said,
\"I want to put all those

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in a scrapbook chronologically
in order and then I want to put

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all my papers in there.\" And
the… the papers are things like

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umm… at the trial, Kristy wrote down

00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:29.999
what the senate saying… What the…
Or rather at the senate saying,

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what each count… What the senate’s for
each count was and Kristy had written it

00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:39.999
in very large letters on a
scrap… on just a scrap of paper

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and Mary had kept that, she wanted that
in the scrapbook and I think she may have

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her official subpoena and some of
the other court papers in there.

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And after that visit then I went out
and sat in my car, it’s like kind of

00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:59.999
held it together when I was with Mary,
but I sat in my car and I went,

00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:04.999
I can’t believe that this is
what she wants a scrapbook of

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and I sat and just thought and thought

00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:14.999
and thought about sort of the
(inaudible) of it because

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I’ve been an advocate for many… many years and
it’s a kind of hard to surprise me at this point,

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but this was a new thing for me,

00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:29.999
absolutely new thing for
me and I didn’t, you know,

00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:34.999
I didn’t really figured it out that
day, but my job is to see to it…

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As an advocate, my job is
to try to get my client

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what she wants, basically.
I came to realized

00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:49.999
that Mary’s creation of that album
and her possession of that album

00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:54.999
has really been her way of gaining

00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:59.999
mastery over the experience
and every victim has to find

00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:04.999
some way to gain mastery.

00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:09.999
Mary has been through not
only a sexual assault

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and a very violent attack
during which she experienced

00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:19.999
the utter power listeners of a victim,

00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:24.999
but unfortunately,

00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:29.999
and unlike many victims, her loss of

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powering control of her
life and over her body

00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:39.999
or for the rest of her life, not just during
the attack, but she will never regain that

00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:44.999
because of her injuries,

00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:49.999
because of the permanent
damage and affect on her body

00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:54.999
due to her advanced age and
her chronic emphysema,

00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:59.999
she will never regain control of her body.

00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:04.999
She will never get to choose where she
lives, so she has an extreme need

00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:09.999
to find a way to control
what has happened to her

00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:14.999
and I think by putting
it in that album it’s…

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it’s in a place where she can choose

00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:24.999
to take it out and look at it
or put it away and I think

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thereby she has gained
mastery of the experience.